The 100 Season 4 Trailer

The 100 Boss Previews Octavia's Identity Crisis in Season 4: 'Who Is She Now That Lincoln's Gone?'

If you thought Octavia’s quest for vengeance ended when she killed Pike on The 100‘s third season finale, you’re in for a rude awakening when the CW drama returns for Round 4 this February.

“Octavia’s story in Season 4 is amazing,” executive producer Jason Rothenberg tells TVLine. “She’s got quite a journey ahead of her, and it gets darker before it gets lighter. She’s taking a detour into assassin land. She’ll do whatever she feels she needs to do to hide the pain from the loss of Lincoln.”

In addition to hiding her pain, Bellamy’s sister will also attempt to forge a new identity for herself.

“Who is she?” Rothenberg asks. “She’s not Skaikru. She’s not Trikru. Who is she now that Lincoln is gone, and that her brother — in her mind — is responsible for so many difficult choices? They have some work to do on their relationship. It’s too bad there aren’t any family therapists in this future.”

Though there’s hope for the siblings to mend broken fences, Rothenberg acknowledges that any sort of healing is going to take a while.

“Part of Bellamy’s journey is realizing that Octavia is her own person and that he needs to let her figure things out for herself,” he explains. “He feels incredibly protective of her. His identity, in my ways, is wrapped up in her existence. He feels like her parent, and like all parents, he needs to realize that you have to let your children fly on their own at some point.”

What are your hopes for the Blake family in Season 4? Drop ’em in a comment below.

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129 Comments
  1. Fido says:

    … available, right ?! :)

    • Fido says:

      where do I send my CV ? :)

      • Fido says:

        as for hopes – no Bellamy and Clarke hook up… just no.. please please, pretty please, just no.

        • Gemma says:

          Omigosh agreed, that would be one way to really kill the show. I miss Lexa sooo much though, of all the characters they could have killed! It’s a bit wishy washy though. They made her like half terminator in the end being some sort of freaky A.I. I was like, I hope this is there way of trying to make the story open. Poor Clarke always gets the brunt of everything, I hope she isn’t going to be permanently blind or something from that radiation.

          • Myles says:

            I disagree. I think that clarke and bellamy would be a great couple along with many other fans and have you seen how close they are? Its only a matter of time. Dont get me wrong, i loved alexa and clarke together but i think it would be nice to see them together.

          • miria says:

            It’s seems to be a dream.

          • Fido says:

            @Myles – Bellamy went off and massacred all those guys who were there to protect them, so fooey to him. If Clarke goes “oh, it’s been like 3 hours, you’re forgiven, come lets smooch” , well I would just shake my head, turn it off, and go whittle a spoon out of me xmas tree. Maybe they can share one kiss, then she remembers all the innocent death at his hand and ‘pokes’ him in the head with a sharp stick. :)

          • Skillz says:

            @Fldo But it was ok for Clexa to get together so quickly. It wasn’t long after Clark and Lexa reunited and Clark hated her for leaving her people to die that they got together. Clark knew Bellamy a lot longer than she knew Lexa.

          • Aeneas says:

            Jacob. I am also pro Clexa, not simply because it promotes the LGBT side but because they have real chemistry. And I do understand why people haven’t given up on Lexa. They managed it with Jon Snow in GOT and Lexa is part A.I so if the writers wanted to, that in itself leaves doors open. Clearly you yourself like Bellamy and wish that Clarke could see what you see. But if she doesn’t she doesn’t. She might even get with Luna or Roan. I do think you are victimising yourself a bit too much and are being unfair. Clarke chose Lexa. Bellamy wanted her to leave with him. She chose Lexa. It is a bit sick if they have him take advantage of this just because the one she really loved is dead. You try to defend Bellamy by making Lexa sound like the bad guy despite the fact she secretly hates having to abide by grounder law. You are anti Lexa and Clexa though, you made your point. And please don’t write names in caps. It is considered shouting and is rude.

          • Jacob says:

            Aeneas first game of thrones was a show with magic on it and a precedent of people being brought back from the dead so it was a lot easier the 100 is a sci fi show and yes there’s the ai but that’s just a copy so at most you can just have chat with an imitation of Lexa. You say I’m victimising my self but aren’t you as well. Next I never said they should get together this season I actually think Clarke should have time to grief all I want to happen this season is for Bellamy to acnoleg the fact he is in love with Clarke I would add most clexa shippers actually think that would be alright. Also quick reminder there of Finn. With the all caps it is used to enfersise a word not to shot most people don’t consider it rood and I would add I have had clexa shippers use disgusting in the past would you tell them off

          • Ashley says:

            Jacob, firstly, most Clexa shippers would NOT be alright with Bellamy loving Clarke. You obviously have never ventured on zetaboards if that’s what you think LOL. I don’t know who you have been talking to. Secondly, GOT only ever resurrected Jon Snow and it was actually not supposed to happen only the fans made it so. It does not have a “precedent” of people being brought back to life. Did you not notice Lexa’s body was never shown to have been cremated? Quite possibly The 100 has gotten so far fetched that almost anything could happen and it could go in any direction. For example Bekka Pramheda should be dead from dying her blood black and it makes no sense that her children would be born with it because it is not hereditary. But you do have to stretch your mind a bit with The 100 too now.

            Finally um about Finn. So Clarke loved him until he found out he cheated on Raven to be with her, then Clarke was disgusted with him. And then he massacres a grounder village, including children, in cold blood and that makes it harder for her. Oh and the body she found in their love bunker that he killed. Basically, it turned sour up until the point where she had to kill him. Then his ghost started harassing her and creeping her out after she met Lexa and the had their little heart to heart and Lexa basically telling her she was gay over his burning corpse.

            THEN Clarke basically ends up telling his spirit to eff off in more or less that style and he disappears into the woods. She basically forgets about him and his ashes which Jasper pretty much points out because she is too busy sleeping with women, one of which she truly and utterly loved and to whose ghost she actually said I wish I could bring you back. Did she want Finn’s ghost to come back? No. End of story, and #Clexaforever.

          • miria says:

            Ashley, you’re active on zetaboards the l00 thread?

          • Ashley says:

            Miria, no I am not. I clicked on it one time in the early days before it was The Loo because they were having a discussion about Season 2 and Clarke and Lexa at the time. I soon discovered that it was basically a lesbian site and that all they did was blast Bellarke fans, there was more of that than Lexa support.

            Since then I have recognised them and have been harassed by the Loo people on other fan sites and so I for one know that those clexa worshippers DO NOT support Bellarke and by golly they are everywhere. There is normal Clexa shippers too but those people really take it to the extreme. That’s why this dude has absolutely no idea.

          • miria says:

            Ashley, that’s good. Otherwise it would be a reason not to talk to you anymore. ;) I do vsit the site occasionally, and what you can read there is really threatening sometimes.

          • Jacob says:

            Ashley firstly I want to clarify something what I meant was that based on how Bellamy acts around Clarke I think he is in love with her almost all the clexa shippers I’ve talked to agree with me on that point (do you really think he isn’t) and lot would like it to be addressed just not for the same reasons I do that’s what I meant.
            Now with got there are a couple of things there I want to make clear most of all you’ve seen people come back from the dead before that guy with the brother hood with out banners as been brought back multiple times also it happened in the books with other characters so there was a precedent for it happening. Next you don’t know that it was the fans it could have been martins plan in the books all along for all you know which the writers do know the next books hasn’t come out yet and people have been thinking for years he could come back in that one. Also I would add John snow being the child of lyanna stark and rhaegar targaryen is a huge thing that people have been wondering about since the 90s some people even think the overall name of the series a song of ice and fire reference him and danaeris so considering all that it had to be the plan from the start.
            Back to the 100 you don’t know what made up that black compound it could have included a gene therapy for all you know. But with Lexa coming back from the dead based on what you’ve said I don’t think I’m going to be able to convince you it can’t happen I don’t even see you moving a little so I’m not going to try so Ashley believe what ever you want to believe.

          • Ashley says:

            Jacob if The 100 was desperate enough I think that they would be willing to make some allowances in the realm of believability, it is not like they haven’t made that kind of stretch before, especially in season 3. The writers love to boast about how creative they are after all. And to kill off a character that was just gaining popularity was an incredibly stupid move I believe. They will never get another character as popular as her in the coming seasons. Jason may look into doing something with Lexa in the future, you never know. The fandom is certainly there. You think I am the only one who wants her back? You are very wrong. And I know too well that fans of Bellarke were only happy to see her dead. But I personally don’t think Bellarke should happen. He has a dark side, he often has lapses in his emotion and I don’t want to see Clarke with another big mess like the way Finn became. She pretty much ditched Finn for good when he got like that. If Clarke can’t be with Lexa, I would at least desire to see her with somebody like her. Another grounder with a connection to her and a similar personality. Someone who she could share her memory with. Perhaps Roan. I hate the way Bellarke fans are so deluded into thinking this relationship HAS to happen now with Lexa ‘out of the way’. It doesn’t have to because FYI, even if Bellamy did have feelings for Clarke, those feelings were never reciprocated by her. Lexa asked her if she ‘cared’ for Bellamy which is her way of saying love as she has ‘cared’ for Clarke and Costia. Clarke responded “I care about them all”. I truly believe she meant that. This show is about survival, it was never set up to be ‘the Bellamy and Clarke show’. And if they actually go down that route, I will think even less of the writers. There are many options left than Bellamy Jacob. And now that Zach (Roan), is becoming a regular, whose to say he won’t even be one of them? But this Bellarke certainty needs to stop.

          • Ashley says:

            Miria I would well believe it. I was reading an article on Alycia one time and in the comments they were dissing the 100 but talking about Alycia in a really creepy way, really inappropriate like. And they were promoting Fear on top of that, I think they are the only ones that actually worship that spin off. But they only do it because of Alycia so it figures. I’m not really an Alycia fan because I don’t look up to her or support her in her other stuff, I just think she was unique in The 100 and I love Lexa but that’s as far as it goes.

          • Jacob says:

            Ashley I’m not going to say I wasn’t happy to see Lexa go I was but I just want to see I was also dispointed I didn’t like but I found her interesting so I actually agree with you it was a stupid dastion what I want was a love triangle between the three of them because that would have been so original and great to see. Next yes Bellamy has a dark side but are you really telling me Lexa didn’t she killed people to make a point in the past also how is roan like Clarke I don’t see that. Finally I just wanted to say I actually don’t want bellarke to happen this season I think it would feel forced if it did happen more than anything I want Bellamy to admit his feelings if not to then to some one else and I would add if that happens it gets addressed it goes one of to ways and if it goes the way your hopeing for ill be disappointed but then we can all move on.

          • miria says:

            Agree with you, except one thing: There’s nothing original about love triangles. The most unoriginal thing in a TV show I can think of. Been there, done that, a thousand times. Every show can do better than that, and I’m glad they handled it nicely in S1 and never got there in S3.

          • Ashley says:

            Jacob Lexa did things that were pretty brutal but that was they way she was taught to survive. If somebody goes against the Commander, it is how the Commander mudt exercise her control. But as I have pointed out tirelessly, Lexa doesn’t agree with a lot of the grounders codes, but as she tells Clarke ; ” You think we’re harsh but that’s how we survive”. Clarke was the one who showed her there was a better way and by the end, Lexa went almost completely soft to the disapproval of Titus. She refused to reteliate and slaughter Bellamy and the Sky People for slaughtering her army AND invading a grounder village. As Clarke pointed out, she did have every right to do that. But Lexa didn’t even defend herself when that grounder tried to slit her throat for it. Lexa always wanted there to be a better way is what I’m saying. But since season 1, Bellamy has a side to him which as one Bellarke fan even pointed out accidentally, proves that he has lapses in his self control. He is racist towards the grounders now but bearing in mind while you try to defend him again, the Sky People were the ones basically infringing on their territory, the ones who left the survivors to die 90 years ago. So Bellamy got his release in the end but in doing so, he lost his honor and any respect I managed to garner for him. I don’t think he is good for Clarke because Bellamy is a mess and Clarke deserves better than that. Also Clarke has more or less converted as a grounder herself in season 3. So she might like to find another lover on that side and there is no reason why it couldn’t be Roan. Bellamy may even be killed off. Would it be a smart move,no but it would be fair. Because no way am I rooting for a Bellarke endgame. In some ways I think maybe Clarke should have been let die with Lexa than run the risk of that.

          • Jacob says:

            Miria but it could have been Clarke a girl having to choose between Bellamy a boy or Lexa a girl how wouldn’t that have been original and how would that not have been great and not something both bellarke and clexa shippers could have been happy with

          • miria says:

            Because The 100 isn’t about love and romance or in this case love triangles. It’s about a group of people who try to survive in a hostile environment. Who happen to fall in love, or not, but it’s not the main focus, which I’m very grateful for. They handled Raven/Finn/Clarke very well, though for me borderline prominent in the show. A love triangle between the lead characters and a third person would be just the contrary, aka the main focus. So, no thanks. Almost every Bellarke or Clexa shipper would probably agree.

          • Jacob says:

            I still think it would have been good but your probably right so ok

          • Jacob says:

            Ashley all I was saying Lexa had a dark side we all have a dark side so did Lexa. Yes Bellamy is pregadist against the grounders but I also wanted to say that he really hasn’t had a lot of good experience with the grounders so it is understandable. If you really think Clarke should have died I’m really out of things to say so could you clarify what exactly you mean by that

          • Ashley says:

            Jacob not all of us would have a side dark enough to slaughter a whole army there to protect them and not to have any regrets for it, that is seriously disturbed. Clarke has been through so much sh*t and has had to lose so many people. The one time where she meets the love of her life, her lover is again cruelly taken from her. And the showrunners have promised season 4 would be even more brutal. I don’t want anybody to break her heart. I don’t want Clarke to change, for her to end up like Jasper and become somebody that I no longer can relate to. So of course more of me wants Clarke to live but another part of me thinks if they do end up going down this route, she would have been a lot happier if she could have just went with Lexa in that city. And I agree with Miria. This is no Twilight. I would not have wanted Clarke to be with 2 people at once, that would have degraded her character.

          • miria says:

            They didn’t promse that the whole S4 would be even more brutal. This comment only related to one episode, which would be the most brutal episode in the show so far. But we don’t know yet what this “brutal” would mean, if it’s literally spoken or in a metaphorical sense. Something can be brutally (aka VERY) emotional for example. We just have to wait and see and should not jump to conclusions.

          • Jacob says:

            Ashley I think to say Bellamy has no regrets is un true. I understand where your coming from but I think you and I are both coming from two very different places I really think neve of us is going to convince the other so it been nice debate stuff with you but I don’t see the point in us trying to convince each other.

        • Gemma says:

          Also, if they make either Octavia or Luna try to replace Lexa, I can’t see that going down well.

        • Jacob says:

          Fair a nuff were all intitled to hope for what ever but to clexa fans could you please stop putting bellarke shippers down they actually do have a lot in common. To those who talk about the massacre in regards to Bellamy I would remind you that Lexa was leaving him to die in the mountain after everything he had done so I ask you considering that would you have trusted Lexa. Really in my mind any one who forgives one of them has to forgive the other because at the end of the bay they were just as bad as each other.

          • Bobby says:

            Lexa had a chioce between having her armies slaughtered or sacrifice skaikru. She made a hard choice.
            Bellamy made NO such choice. He just killed for literally no reason other than he felt like it. And endangered EVERYONE. Indirectly got many people including lexa killed by being a driving force in putting pike in power and arming him. Dont give me the “its for my people” line otherwise he would’ve thought about putting Arkadia at risk BEFORE declaring war on a grounder force that had his own beat 1000 to 1. Yeah, he chose suicide for his people rather than working with clarke for a peaceful coexistence. He had all the knowledge ot make an educated choice in regards to handling the mount weather attack, he knew the ice nation were responsible – NOT LEXA, and he didnt have any reason to trust pike over kane, abby, clarke, octavia, etc. His choice to mass murder Indra’s army (who he also knew personally and was decent with along with Lincoln) was entirely moronic and shallow, and if he was smart couldve been entirely preventable. But he didnt because waaaaaaah “his feelings”… yeah no. Lexas decision at MW is NOT the same as Bellamys attempted genocide ideals. Get out and read a book if you think theyre at all similar.

          • Jacob says:

            BOBBY this was the choice Bellamy had there trust a woman who had literally left him personally to die even after he had effectively got her to the point to make a deal like that like I said in Bellamys bastion would you really have trusted Lexa because that’s his reason for attacking he didn’t trust them and exactly what do you think that army would have done if the Oder to attack had come. Also working with Clarke after she decided to stay with Lexa was always going to be hard for him watch that scene were there agueing again everything Bellamy says is hard to hear but true. Now Bellamys reasons to trust pike you forget that when the man was obviously in crisis pike was the only one who tried to help no one else paid him any attention not even his sister so thats why he started trusting pike he was the one who helped him in the moment when he need someone imagine if Kane or some one had been sitting with him when pike came things would have been a lot different. Finally I was comparing people not action in an overall sense they are just as bad as each other and Bobby I do read a lot a have a history a level in fact so I know how to judge things like this quit well this was exactly my point when did I ever insult any ones intelligence in my first post I just asked for clexa supporters to stop putting down bellarke supporters I don’t insult you guys so please don’t do the same to me.

          • Maia says:

            Do you not think if even Eliza Taylor and Bob Morley diss the idea of Bellarke that says it all. And boy did Eliza diss Bellarke in Brazil. Most people want Lexa back. Clarke shooed away the ghost of Finn who was creeping her out but with Lexa’s ghost/A.I. she wanted to bring her back.

            I used to root for Bellarke in season 1 and early season 2. But when Clexa happened I was like wow, like they really love eachother. Not even Bellamy understood Clarke in the way Lexa did because they were practically one in the same. They had real chemistry and it was refreshing to see a twist in the plot and that there could be someone even better out there for Clarke who would be on the exact same wavelength.

            I don’t want The 100 to end but if Jason gives into the Bellarke fans for the sake of shutting people up, that would be the ultimate final cop out. Lexa just DIED, and after Finn, Lexa and heck even Naila, Clarke should be allowed to live her life alone for a while now.

            I miss Lexa terribly however, she was my favorite character and I would love love love to see her grace my screen again, Lexa that is, in some form. Heda is queen and the grounders deserve a bigger part in the show. The original one hundred are more or less dead and the majority of the Sky people have become so boring. I could watch a whole show with just Lexa and her people.

            But as for Bellarke, it is way is too forced at this stage, that ship has sailed, even for the actors.

          • miria says:

            Maia, I think noone wants a Clarke/Bellamy romantic relationship being rushed. First they have to go “back to normal” aka the deep friendship they had by the end of S2. They are on a good way, but there’s still a long journey ahead of them. I hope the writers saw that, too, and addressed it in an appropriate way.

            As for “if Jason gives into the Bellarke fans for the sake of shutting people up”, what does this make Clexa? Lexa’s arc could have easily ended with the betrayal and Clarke hating her at the end of S2. There would’ve been a lot other ways to introduce us to Polis and Grounder politics. Even the A.I. plot could’ve been revealed otherwise. Maybe not that spectacular because it had to happen off screen, but it would’ve been possible.

            But when they realised the impact the character Lexa and the first Clexa kiss had on a part of the fandom, and learned about the hype fans created during the long hiatus between S2 and S3, they tried to get the actress for as many episodes as possible and wrote 3A all around the Clexa relationship and how it works with Grounder politics (to save 3B for the A.I. arc), leaving other story arcs behind, and much worse, didn’t explain and/or address those arcs properly (cutting important scenes), or even cancelled them completely (Lincoln/Ricky). They didn’t do justice to any of the characters in 3A, not even Clarke and Lexa, to be honest. That’s where they really messed up, with all the hype, and I sure hope they won’t make the same mistake now in S4.

          • Jacob says:

            MAIA the actors don’t get a vote you really think Bob wanted what happened to Bellamy last season and you saying most wanted clexa is just wrong from what I can see it split down the middle. Next Clarke and Lexa were not one in the same Clarke had a level of compantion Lexa never had they were to very different people and Clarke and Bellamy have a huge connection. I don’t watch the show for bellarke I watch it because I like it but I don’t think it would be a cop out it wouldn’t be forced because from what I can see Bellamy is in love with Clarke and hasn’t been addressed so the ship hasn’t sailed personally I just want it to be addressed on the show so we can move past it because if this season Bellamy tells Clarke he loves and she says she doesn’t feel the same at least that way it really is over and they can go back to just being friends

          • Bobby says:

            @JACOB: Buckle up: TLDR: Bellamys character and actions do not make sense in the context of the greater whole. His writers fucked up.

            Trust a woman he knew and trusted for season 1 and 2, which means he should have given her a little bit more than the average amount of respect in regards to that trust. He knew how she operates when it came to leadership, how she tended to lean towards a more open minded way of approaching issues as opposed to his own violent tendencies. Hell, even bellamy broke down after realizing how monstrous he had become after selfishly slaughtering 300 of his own people on the Ark by cowardly throwing away that radio to protect himself, thus octavia in his mind – becase his poor sister cant protect herself. He put aside his hatred for clarke back in season one to work with clarke and the greater whole against a common enenmy, why couldn’t he rationalize doing that again with clarke and lexa? Leaving the Skaikru to die for the sake of her army, was never a personal one – and anyone who interprets that war time decision as one is a selfish, stubborn, fool that doesnt belong on a battlefield.

            Lexa left clarke too, and yet clarke remained at lexa’s side to watch, and make sure lexa didnt betray them again. Something bellamy very likely heard, being within earshot range. Bellamy should have had the intelligence to deduct that clarke was doing what she always does – leading their people. Lexa has become a tool much like he himself became clarkes tool in manipulating the loyalties of a group to follow her by earning their current leaders trust, much like pike did to a very weak and over emotional bellamy. He didnt have reason to trust lexa, but he had reasons to trust clarke and kane and abby – people he’s been developing with for awhile now.
            Bellamy was raging, hurting. Pike appealed to that. Bellamys common sense disappeared entirely, causing him to betray his friends/family for the sake of some teacher he knew onces hate spewed intolerant agenda that preached massacre over co-existence. Something bellamy learned wasnt very good with both the genocide on mount weather he helped with to protect octavia AND the culling. Something he and clarke bonded over was that “maybe there are no good guys” “You made your choice now you have to live with it” – However, he basically took those lessons of pain he learned back then and tossed them out hte window to commit them again. This time with even more short sighted idiocy. Both kane and abby, lincoln and octavia discussed sense with him, bringing up lessons he has learned with factual morals her personally went through behind them – and what did he do? Betrayed them all and threw common sense and his history to teh wind. Because his precious baby clarke didnt come home to him and take over his job of being a responsible leader – waaaaah. Also gina – who Jroth has confirmed really didnt matter to him, not as much as clarke does, he cant seem to be anything without clarke (which is offensive and retarded). There is no ONE moment to convince a person of an action, he had plenty of people trying to educate him to see “big picture” and how irrevocably moronic he was behaving threatening a beneficial peace treaty. They would not survive risking it, but risk it bellamy continued doing…the short sighted gun toting manchild.
            GINA, ah yes, he was at the summit when ice nation blew up MW and the ambassador insulted lexa to her face. He was there when she declared war and offered peace and assistance to the offended skaikru, even after they sort of re-possessed mount weather without permission… HE KNOWS Indra, and he KNOWS her army isnt there to attack but to protect. Slaughtering that army would have endangered not only Clarke, but also his precious people aka Arkadia. The armies of the grounders outnumbered skaikru’s GREATLY, and the amount of ammunition that gave arkadia an edge was swiftly running low. Not a good setup when you decided to instigate a war. But instigate he did. As i said, he chose suicide as the onyl option for his people, rather than suck it up and work out a coexistence and trade with clarke and the lexa. THIS resulted in a barricade enveloping their colony, where expansion, or trade for food or ANYTHING would be eliminated – he invited contrition upon them. Not smart when they were suffering to begin with. And to make matters worse, when he clearly confronts pike about how wrong they were killing that army – he goes and attack a helpless village, and slaughters two messengers. The guy makes no sense anymore! HES ALL OVER THE FUCKING MAP in how he operates! He regrets, this is wrong, but…oh hell lets do it again! and again! and again! omg why do i feel like shit! oh kill nonsensically some more? sure! What, you want me to risk the safety of my sister and clarke and all my friends who are turning against me!?…maybe i am wrong in…NO! no… im right! STOP BEHAVING LIKE AN IDIOT OCTAVIA AND FRIENDS! GAHDS! Lexa is going to kill us all!!
            No… that’s what he did. With his paranoia, his ignorance, his intolerance, his instinctive violent streak, and his over emotional state and lack of common sense that i thought every human being possessed but apparently not… If the army attacked them then they die, it wouldve ended the same way if they attacked the army – both decisions were not beneficial to them. duh. They were in a no win situation, their only option WAS to play ball with lexa’s coalition. They chose suicide instead, with a large helping of unforgivable in motivation betrayal on top of it. NICE! very smart. NOT!

            They took bellamys character, everything good or that made sense in season 1 and 2 and made him take 100 steps back. They made him unforgivable and a disgrace. They took him to an unnecessary extreme, much like killing off lexa was. Its dumb, and it pisses me off people are willing to let this all pass because they can insert absurd amounts of head canon into it. Pro trip: if i need to headcanon more than 70% of your story to repair your characters and plot, you’re not doing a very good job writing – are you?

            Over emotion does not excuse war crimes, my friend. “I was just following orders” does not forigve or excuse acts of injustice without provocation. Motivations behind actions vary quite considerably when analyzed in the grande scale of things and measured with subjective moral. Based on the environment we have seen, mass murder isnt something folks really condone – Accidently distruction of ground village in season 1, finns attack on TONDC, Lexas sacrifice of TonDC, Mount Weather, The Culling on the Ark (this can be analyzed by both jaha and bellamy angles – jaha is somewhat forgivable, bellamy not so much), etc etc, were all reacted to rather negatively. Sure some of those slaughters had purpose to some that were committing them (see the sacrifices made covering up the cracking of the enigma codes), while others were simply crazed men acting out on selfishness (see any world dictator that thought he was doing what was right for the cause and people here).
            When i said read a book, i wasnt referencing you, i thought you knew better. But you seriously believe that lexas mount weather decision is the same as bellamys selfish massacre and war instigating nonsense of a tyrannical racially intolerant madman – you need to re-evaluate how things work. Even most german’s figured out how crazy hitler was by 1944, but by then they were trapped between a rock and a hard place. You want to survive, you dont antagonize the people that hold the tactical high ground that could easily kick your ass via a restriction of your resources, overwhelming forces, and a better understanding of the territory. You dont fight them in an area where they can easily defeat you. Violence was not the answer, and bellamy should’ve had the common sense of previous experience to figure that out. But no. Jroth needed an idiot villain and ruined bellamy in the process. well done, the 100.

          • Maia says:

            JACOB…..excuse me Lexa is not compassionate? Lexa was trying to live by her people’s rules because that is the only way she was taught how to survive. But Lexa had a heart. Even YOU don’t understand her. Clarke understood her. After Costia’s death Lexa had to put on a brave face and adopt ‘love is weakness’ as coached by Titus. But the pain it brought her to do it, to kill Gustus. No other Commander would have given Clarke and the Sky People so many chances.

            And lets not forget season 3, BELLAMY who turns nasty slaughters Lexa’s army who were there to PROTECT him and his undeserving companions. Lexa was the one who gave in to Clarke because all this time SHE wanted peace too. Lexa tried to end “blood must have blood”, in the process making herself a target for her own people. And then the real tears she cried when Clarke kissed her back and she realised Clarke’s affections were indeed reciprocated.

            So don’t you even go there and tell me Lexa was heartless and had no compassion. Lexa was a hero who died for Clarke and yes even Bellamy and everyone else. What is Bellamy though? He started out as the bully who tortured Murphy. Just when you think he has turned a corner, BAM, his true self shows again and he loses the plot. He is not suited to Clarke at all, Clarke loved Lexa and truthfully, I don’t believe anyone will be able replace her successfully as her love interest, not anyone.

            But if the problem you have is that it has to be man and woman for you, well that is a different story. Evenly divided though…not sure about that. You think I’m bad because I love Lexa, The Loo people even terrify me and they are NOT Bellarke fans from what I have seen and there is an awful lot of those people.

            Oh and hey, you don’t care that Eliza and Bob hate Bellarke and that Eliza rolls her eyes everytime a fan mentions it, well that’s your problem.

            As for Miria’s point, Miria some decisions may have been made last minute but the storylines have to have the basic structure planned out in advance and it was no secret that Lexa was planned to continue on for season 3, for how long and what scenes to keep was the real issue.

            Sorry you Bellarke fans but that ship will not be getting my vote this time because mine will always go to Lexa whose presence will always be felt.

          • Maia says:

            Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t.

            Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

            I love Lexa and Miria although some changes were last minute, the plan for Alycia to appear in season 3 as Lexa and to develop this stayed the same. Only after Jason said he may have done things differently. It was obvious that in season 2, that relationship had unfinished business.

            And Jacob, evenly sided, well I’m not so sure. Those ‘The Loo’ people even terrify me in their aggressive defence of Clexa and their appearing to slam Bellarke, and there seems to be a lot of them. However if the problem you have is indeed that you want to see a man and a woman together only, I can’t help you there, or with the fact you think Eliza Taylor rolling her eyes at anyone’s mention of Bellarke is ‘irrelevant’ in your eyes. But like Eliza and Bob, I do not believe in this ship, that is my opinion and I will always put Lexa as number one and encourage her featuring in the future in some way.

          • Maia says:

            Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t clearly. Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically. And Jacob, evenly sided, well I’m not so sure. Those ‘The Loo’ people even terrify me in their aggressive defence of Clexa and their appearing to slam Bellarke, and there seems to be a lot of them. However if the problem you have is indeed that you want to see a man and a woman together only, I can’t help you there, or with the fact you think Eliza Taylor rolling her eyes at anyone’s mention of Bellarke is ‘irrelevant’ in your eyes. But like Eliza and Bob, I do not believe in this ship, that is my opinion and I will always put Lexa as number one and encourage her featuring in the future in some way.

          • Maia says:

            Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t.Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            No way Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t. Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            No way Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t. Season 3, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to PROTECT his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            Don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate Jacob She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t. Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            I love Lexa and Miria although some changes were last minute, the plan for Alycia to appear in season 3 as Lexa and to develop this stayed the same. Only after Jason said he may have done things differently. It was obvious that in season 2, that relationship had unfinished business. And Jacob, evenly sided, well I’m not so sure. Those ‘The Loo’ people even terrify me in their aggressive defence of Clexa and their appearing to slam Bellarke, and there seems to be a lot of them. However if the problem you have is indeed that you want to see a man and a woman together only, I can’t help you there, or with the fact you think Eliza Taylor rolling her eyes at anyone’s mention of Bellarke is ‘irrelevant’ in your eyes. But like Eliza and Bob, I do not believe in this ship, that is my opinion and I will always put Lexa as number one and encourage her featuring in the future in some way.

          • Maia says:

            Also Jacob, don’t even go there about Lexa not being compassionate. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t. Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            Also,Lexa not compassionate? Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically. She was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t.

          • Maia says:

            Also Jacob, Lexa was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, YOU don’t.

          • Maia says:

            Lexa was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, you don’t Jacob.

          • Maia says:

            In Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. She was compassionate. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            In Season 3 then, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. She was compassionate. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            Ps, Lexa was raised on survival values and as Commander, was trained to prioritise those. But any other Commander would not have given Clarke and her people as many chances as Lexa did. Costia’s death affected her badly which is why she chose not to love anyone, ‘love is weakness’ as Titus taught her. But when she was forced to kill Gustus and do what was expected of her, it was obvious as she looked at Clarke that it pained her. But clearly whilst Clarke understood her, you don’t Jacob.

          • Maia says:

            Season 3 then Jacob, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. Lexa is compassionate. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            Our Heda is not compassionate?! Season 3, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Maia says:

            Also, in season 3, Bellamy goes back to his early season one ways and becomes a nasty brute. He betrayed Clarke and massacred Lexa’s army that was there to protect his ass along with his people. Lexa yes Lexa showed compassion by giving in to Clarke and breaking the ‘blood must have blood’ tradition, because SHE wanted peace. This nearly cost her her own life as her people turned against her. And those tears she cried when Clarke kissed her to show she loved her back, that was the true Lexa inside behind the Commander facade. Lexa even gave her life for Clarke again, and Bellamy and everyone practically.

          • Jacob says:

            MAIA firstly I just want to make clear I have no problem with gay characters one of my favourite characters on an other show was a lesbian so please don’t go there. Also I’m going to say again the sooner something is done really done about bellarke to address it I’ve way sooner we can all have this over and done with. Finally I can’t help it ever if your going to hold out hope for a dead character getting back on the show.

          • 12274640jacob says:

            MAIA firstly I’d like to remind you that children who were born deformed in grounder society were being shunned or killed Lexa didn’t stop that. Also it curious you’re so kind and understanding to Lexa but not Bellamy he never knew his father had to practically raised his sister had to watch his mouther be executed for no other reason than having a second child so I think Bellamy had a pretty tuff childhood as well.
            Also I’m going to ask again how was Bellamy supposed to trust Lexa who literally left him to die after he virtually got her that deal singlehandedly also it was peace on Lexa as terms no one else’s joying to collation would have meant they followed Lexa from then onwards. When it comes to betrayal Clarke just expected all she had to was say and Bellamy would do what she asked even after she left him that’s pretty bad really don’t you think she spent next to no time with him when he really needed her Bellamy was in crisis and the only one paid him any intention was pike. I’m not saying what he did wasn’t his fault but it’s not like it came out of nowhere the since were all there and no one tried to help him until it was too late.
            Again I am going to say I have no problem with gay characters I just didn’t like Lexa also it is very interesting you think Clarke should die a spinster and since when does an eye role mean you hate something. Finally I just wanted to remind you what I initially asked for the clexa shippers stop putting down bellarke shippers I guess this is all a no then.

          • 12274640jacob says:

            BOBBY firstly how exactly could Clarke have stopped Lexa from doing something bad if she had decided to plus Bellamy’s trust for her at that time was at an all-time low and that was what it was about with Lexa trust he had no way to know he could trust Lexa Clarke had a prospective of her he never did. Yes he saw her move against the ice nation but when they posed a threat to her as well so that was probably his interpretation looking back I think what he need to take a chance on Lexa was for her to thank him for being the inside man and to apologize for not protecting him after everything he had done. Something I think we can both agree she did owe him that he never got Clarke did get stuff like that he didn’t yes people did try to make him see all the things you mentioned but only after he had thrown in with pike why couldn’t they have done that before when he really needed it I ask you. Kane just excepted his resignation like that when he shouldn’t have Kane could easily have been the one Bellamy turned to in his moment of need but as it was it was the only person who paid him any intention pike.
            You made a point of Clarke not come back with him to Arkadia and that he should have handled it better true but do remember for him rightly or wrongly he took that as Clarke chose Lexa over him also he never had the option of falling apart after mw so a lot of stuff he hadn’t dealt with just came back up. You mentioned Indra that he knew her really if the order to attack had come what do you really think Indra would have done I’m sure she would have been conflicted but I think she would have attacked.
            Now I want to make something absolutely clear I think Bellamy was being a massive idiot and I really didn’t much like season 3 your right he should have figured out all the things you said but I still think he had nufing from his prospective that said he could trust Lexa. What he and pike should have done was meet with Lexa and say we reject the coalition and please move your army and if they really want pay back so much go attack ice nation who really did have it coming. Also I don’t know about you but something I wanted to happen was Bellamy to actually meet Lexa I think if he had been given a chance to talk to her one to one to see a different side to her that could have been what he needed to take a chance on her.
            All the stuff I’ve said I want to make clear I don’t think is an excuse its just some things I think people should bare in mind when they think about Bellamy I actually do think he has a lot to make up for also I meant in a general sense they were the same I wasn’t comparing Lexa betrayal to the massacre. A Lexa fan said to me once that to forgive one you have have to forgive the over which is what I did and I wish overs would do.
            Finally I’m really with you season 3 was the worst I’m hoping season 4 undoes some of the damage and also sorry about the name change I’ve been having some trouble with my accountant I had to use a different one.

  2. Kate says:

    ” her brother — in her mind — is responsible for so many difficult choices?”
    hope the show will acknowledge that Bellamy isn’t the one to blame for Lincoln’s death, hope Octavia will finally see this. And yes – Bellamy needs to let her go.

    Can’t wait to see season 4 of The100!

    • miria says:

      I think the “in her mind” implies that they know very well that it’s not Bellamy (or at least not him alone) who is responsible for Lincoln’s death.

    • Jacob says:

      Yea he isn’t she has to see that at some po

    • Jacob says:

      Also something I’m hoping for is Bellamy and octavia will be arguing and he’ll say something like I understand what you going through and she’ll say no you don’t if pike had shot Clarke then you would understand stand how I feel. I think that would be a great way to bring out the fact that even clexa fans have to see Bellamy is in love with Clarke.

  3. Bryan87 says:

    Here’s the thing. Bellamy is responsible or has to take on responsibility for a lot of terrible things that happened last season. That’s not just in Octavia’s mind.
    Everyone makes their own choices and Bellamy made his when he decided to side with Pike and went on killing sprees with him, supported his xenophobic ideas and played his little loyal soldier boy for a long time. He may not have pulled the trigger himself when it came to Lincoln, but Octavia has every right to be upset with him for the poor, poor choices he made last season.
    That doesn’t mean she in turn is perfect and does not have to take on responsibilty of her own, but they’re not going to mend that relationship if they act like certain things are just in Octavia’s head and the only issue with Bellamy’s half of that dynamic is him being too much of a clingy parent. That would be seriously missing the point.

    • Halo says:

      But isn’t it typical Jason Rothenberg? For better or for worse, he holds his females and his males to different standards. Do you remember when he wrote a couple having a one night stand into the show and then on Twitter s-shamed the woman (Raven) for it? Because from the guy’s side having a one night stand like that is totally okay? It’s kind of like that. Only without a sexual connotation this time.

      • Charissa29 says:

        I thought Raven sleeping with Bellamy to get over Finn was handled brilliantly, she made choices and decided to sleep with Bellamy. At least all the women on the 100 have their own agency. They aren’t adjuncts to men, they fight their own battles and carry their own stories. Which is far more than 90% of tv.

    • lokresia says:

      There is always a missing point in that show. I don’t believe it would be different this time. They always threat Octavia as pissed off little sister who exaggerating what happened. After she lived locked 17 years, she came to the Earth to understand that her brother is a murder. She has right to be angry and disappointed by him. I don’t understand why do they always take this from her?

  4. Lola says:

    I like Octavia but I don’t like the writers trying to cast some conflict over the Bellamy/Octavia relationship. One-Just because Bellamy is not all grounders are my friends kumbaya doesn’t make him bad. These people including Lexa have all proven untrustworthy and Indra threw Octavia to the wolves first chance she got. So this grounders are good BS can kick rocks. Two-all the mains have lost someone they loved. Clarke lost her dad, Wells, Finn, and Lexa. Raven lost Finn. Jasper lost Maya. Monte lost his mother who he had to kill himself. And Bell lost his girlfriend Gina but my point is Octavia needs to get off her high horse about Lincoln as if the others don’t know that pain or loss. She ain’t no special snowflake that her pain should matter more. To see her turn against the one person whose always love and protected her over some penis makes me sick. You see where her loyalties lie. It makes me wonder if she even cares about her brother. He’s not responsible for someone else pulling the trigger. Just because he didn’t agree with grounder crap doesnt mean he fully agreed with Pike either. There is middle ground here and it’s not black and white. Of course she’s sad but the blame game is old and infuriating.

    • Lola says:

      Raven lost Sinclair too.

    • Miller says:

      Fact that you act like some 2 eps guest star charas have the same importance as one of if not the single most established relationship of the entire show, but Lincoln is “some penis” that O. needs to get over already coz poor sad B. with his puppy dog eyes, never to blame for anything tells me everything I need to know tbh. So glad Ricky found something better, hope Marie’s next.

      • Andrea says:

        Have you seen Lexa!!! She was one of if not the best character to come out of this show and was beloved by most of the audience. She was so much more than just a ‘guest star for two episodes’. I will still stick with the 100 but already the show is going to be lesser without Lexa.

      • Lola says:

        My point is no character on this show can be characterized as good or bad. The show doesn’t work that way. It’s not about how long a character was on. Case in point, Lexa, she was not a main character or on for just two episodes and yet so many took issue with her death. It didn’t matter because she became loved. Octavia looks at things as good side/bad side and sorry but she really does need to grow up looking at things from that perspective. They’ve all done questionable things including Lincoln so Octavis needs to fall back. It’s no the world according to her. And another point. Cradle to the grave with your siblings. Regardless of where you go in life, that’s a bond no one should break. Octavia has more loyality to Indra. Speaks volumes.

        • Ren says:

          They may very well all have done bad things in the past, but not all of those are and should be considered equal. Nothing Lincoln has done, for example, is comparable to murdering 300 people sent to protect you in their sleep or attacking villages of non-combatants because they dare to live on a piece of land you want for yourself. That’s only talking about last season as far as Bellamy is concerned, his list is even longer than that. And that’s were sharing the same gene pool stops being an argument for me as well. If anyone I were related to had been involved in what Bellamy’s been up to and someone came up to me talking about how he’s my blood and I should really go easy on him because of that, I’d seriously question their sanity to be honest. Family loyalty should only go so far.

    • Gemma says:

      Some of the grounders were even better and more interesting than the Sky People though. I liked when Clarke got more intimate with them but as an audience we are forced to follow the Sky People which explains why they always kill the best grounders off. If you playdon’t a grounder you are expendable. And that is bad because some of them as I say, were way more interesting than the majority of Sky People

      • The show is called ‘The 100’ not ‘The Grounders’. It’s the story of the people from the Ark so of course we mostly follow them. Having said that, there will be plenty of grounders in season 4. We’ll be meeting at least two new clans. As to killing the best grounders off, there were good reasons why both Lexa and Lincoln were written out as I’m sure you know.

        • Ashley says:

          You forget that the majority of ‘The 100’ are actually dead and that the Sky people are often STILL more boring than the grounders. Lexa was Queen btw.

          • miria says:

            About 43 are still alive, plus Bellamy and Raven. But the actual point is that it’s still their story which involves Grounders, not the other way round.

          • Ashley says:

            Miria, even Jason Rothenberg has responded to that by pointing out that the Sky People ARE grounders now themselves. And the grounders have been a huge part of that since season 1, it’s not like they are an extra, they are heavily involved. Octavia has integrated with the grounders and so has Clarke. They are a huge entertaining factor in the show. Do you realise the amount of grounder cosplays at conventions there has been?! Some people only watch it for the grounders. If they didn’t exist, I guarantee you the drop in ratings would be substantial. Of course the Sky people are important but it is time to realise that their story is intertwined with the grounders and has been since the age of Bekka Pramheda. It is their story too now. And Lexa was one grounder who was equally if not more popular than Clarke which only further proves their importance. So they need to stop killing off major grounder characters. It’s obvious some of the Sky people might even have children with them in the future and Clarke might too.

          • miria says:

            I agree with what you say, except the Lexa part, she wasn’t that popular because she was a Grounder, but that’s another story.

            But the point still is, that yes, the Grounders are a part of the story, and the Sky People are technically Grounders too, but the main part are the kids with whom it all began in 1×01. I don’t want a story told from the Grounders’ POV, I want a story told from the Delinquents’ POV which involves their interactions with the 12 Clans and maybe finally an opportunity for the Sky People to become the 13th (again). After a while they might all be called Grounders, but that shouldn’t change the POV.

          • Ashley says:

            Well the thing is it is not even the story of The 100 anymore, at least Jason has not made it so. It is supposed to be Clarke Griffin’s story. That one episode after Lexa died she was barely in it at all and for me, I almost switched off for good. If Clarke died, there would be no show anymore. But I like that it is from her view. You may well argue that it showed moments with just Bellamy, Octavia, Jasper, Monty, etc. and this is why you think that. But did it not equally begin to incorporate separate moments with the grounders too; Lexa with the council and the nightbloods being one?

            I do think part of it had to do with Lexa being a grounder, yeah she was a girl but if she was a Sky girl having a fling with another sky girl, it would not have been as symbolic. The fact Lexa also represented the enemy and was forbidden to be with Clarke because of who she was, like Romeo and Juliet except with 2 girls. The fact she is a treasure in herself the way she can fight with swords, wear warpaint and BE a badass that is unlike the way the sky people operate with their guns, etc., all of those things made her special. Made her endearing to watch.

            So the bottom line is, if Lexa was initially a Sky person too, I don’t think the impact would be as hard, I don’t think she would be as significant. (I must also add that I love Lexa for her strength as a woman and her personality). I do think that at this stage, despite Monty and Jasper, etc. being great characters, Lexa, Indra, Lincoln, all of these characters became equally as loved and had an equal right to be considered so because many the audience loved them. The show is not like the books, you must remember this.

          • miria says:

            The events in eps 3×07 and 3×08 took place at the same time, that’s why Clarke wasn’t in 3×08. That’s also the reason why Bellamy for example wasn’t in ep 3×07. I thought you knew this.

            It might have been the Clarke and Lexa story in large parts of S3, especially in 3A, but as soon as they all got back together in 3B it was more of the Delinquents’ story again. And for all we know this will continue in S4.

            I never read the books, and most likely never will. But I sure know that the books are completely different to the show which I’m very grateful for.

          • Ashley says:

            Yeah they are but I rarely say this when comparing books but the show is a Bizillion times better and more intelligent. They don’t even have the grounders in the books, they have these people called ‘earthborns’ who feature only in the backround as a persistent enemy. I didn’t like that. And to be perfectly honest, I didn’t like 3B, I found it very hard to keep going,I only did so to watch what happens to Clarke, all the great grounders they were killing off who I loved. Too much depression all at once with no outlet. That didn’t do it justice for me. And then throwing in these random sequences with Nathan and Bryan and Monty and Harper just seemed so desperate and forced. Like what a coincidence that we only for the first time meet these two minor characters out of the blue who so happened to be gay right after Lexa died?! To me it looked like Rothenbergs lazy attempt to try to salvage some sort of positive LGBT representation for the show. He doesn’t understand that the audience are not that gullible (not all of us) and that it just doesn’t work like that. It just felt so unbelievably forced, they were characters I never met and don’t care for and I don’t particularly want to have to follow them for this reason in season 4 where it will divert even more from the sole purpose; Clarke. Zach McGowan (Roan) is being made a series regular and Luna will be present. And I certainly hope Roan will have a large influence so that it won’t be just the delinquents. I felt that the grounders made a much larger impact in the show than most of the minor Sky people. I found myself caring a lot for them. I don’t want them to be pushed in the corner. And I know many have felt the same way. The 100 is like Star Trek mixed with GOT, a genius formula. But without the grounders, it would have very little that is unique. I admit, season 1 I could take or leave and I nearly gave up on it. It was only that episode with Anya and Clarke in season 2 that I became addicted. She was another great grounder that they killed. I realised the side I was rooting for early on and now, I want justice for all those characters.

          • miria says:

            Of course the Grounders aren’t out of the picture. I think they all have to work together to find a way to survive. We’ll at least get to know two more Grounder clans, Glowing Forest (Trishana Kru) and Shallow Valley. We’ll meet some new Grounder characters. We know of Ilan (most likely Glowing Forest), Kenza (a former warrior who laid down her sword to lead a religious life), Hugo, and an unnamed female Nightblood scout.

            For all we know from the trailers/promos Roan will be developed into an antagonist, or better say Echo, who tries to influence Roan for whatever reason to “rule everything”. It will be interesting to see what Roan is actually up to. Same goes for Echo.

            It seems there will be lots of Grounders and Grounder culture in S4. But the story will mostly be told from the Sky People/Delinquents POV, maybe you can say from Clarke/Bellamy POV since they are the female and male protagonist, hugely influenced by Grounders, but it’s still their journey to be told.

          • Ashley says:

            Miria I know you ship Bellarke but the story was always Clarke’s story and he just featured largely in it. This is not a story designed to be ‘The Bellamy’ and Clarke story because the only one who is not expendable in this show is Clarke. It is unlikely that the writers would be stupid enough to kill Bellamy soon but he is still an expendable character, one who a lot of people feel doesn’t even deserve Clarke. They might have a fling and they might not but either way his story might not continue in the far reaching future. I would personally rather see Clarke either on her own or with someone who doesn’t present so much collateral damage. Or of course if by some miracle some grounder could resurrect Lexa, obviously for myself that would be the ideal. But as I say, Clarke is the only one who has job security. I must add that in the books the Sky People get kidnapped by a religious cult. I don’t know if they would include this in the show at all.

          • miria says:

            I don’t ship Bellarke. I’m way too old for such silly things. I like them together as a team, they both have a lot to process for themselves, and first of all they need to TALK. If they’ll put them together romantically I hope we’ll see this by the end of the season, or, if we’ll get a 5th, by the end of that one. In any case they should work out everything else first.

            I know it is Clarke’s story, but for all we know this might change this season. Octavia seems to get a huge story arc, and even though they are seperated (which is a good thing IMO), this arc will most likely affect Bellamy AND Clarke, so we have a connection here. In one of the just recently released episode synopsis they were both described as leaders, so they now might be more on the same level storywise.

          • Ashley says:

            You are too old for shipping yet you hope they get together by the end of the season or in the next one. That sounds a bit contradictory. You see, I don’t want this because after season 3 I have had it with Bellamy and would rather see a new character take centre stage with Clarke. I never liked Octavia either. I hated the way she dictated to Clarke. I hated the way she was bratty in season 1 and sulked. I want to see Clarke with a grounder. You do not. That is where we differ it seems.

          • miria says:

            That’s not quite right, I said “IF THEY’ll put them together romantically I hope we’ll see this…”. It makes a huge difference to simply saying “I hope we’ll see them in a romantic relationship by the end of…”. I don’t mind with whom she’ll be in the end. It just has to make sense. And being together with Bellamy would only make sense when all the problems they have, all their grieve and guilt feelings they are carrying around with themselves will be overcome. By both of them. To solve all this would take at least a season, if done right. Maybe it will never happen. And it would be ok for me.

          • Ashley says:

            I just don’t think it would make sense though. As you say they are a good team and can work together well but I think they are only good as friends. Bellamy quickly forgot about Clarke when Gina came along and I was happy for him, heck they even looked alike which was funny. But by the end of the season he had changed and had gone in a different direction. If he and Clarke were endgame it would really make me dislike him further and probably find it hard to keep going. I think there is someone better out there for both of him. I do think Bellamy is an asset to the Sky people but not in that way.

  5. Annaliza says:

    How about Octavia making amends towards Bellamy after she abused him and said he dead to her? Oh no, I forgot, we only care about white girl’s sad lives. Not their POC relatives they abuse.

    • AB says:

      Pretty sure Marie Avgeropoulos is at least of mixed ethnic decent so let’s maybe not try to play the “white girl” and racism card quite so carelessly. Nevermind that race isn’t the only aspect that makes a person part of a minority group.

  6. A says:

    Ultimately I want them to work things out but for now I need them to go separate ways. And both need to acknowledge the mistakes they’ve made regarding their relationship.

  7. Cate says:

    There was a lot of attention pained to the Lexa killing last season but for me, the season was a disappointment for the way the plot was just all over the place. Mike Beach is a fine actor but the Pike character didn’t work as they rushed the storyline. Bellamy going along with what was basically a massacre of an allied army inexcusable. The show seemed to think killing off people was equivalent to gritty quality and having people act badly and inconsistently was ok. Still, there were some good moments and i hold’out hope they can be more like season 2 and balance plot, character and moral dilemma more effectively

  8. Vince says:

    What a hypocrite. Bellamy tried to help but you chained him up. Lincoln’s death is on you honey

    • Lola says:

      Lol! I still say the simple fact that he’s her brother and has looked out for her his entire life should’ve been enough to give him the benefit of doubt and trust him. She’s so quick to overlook Indra burning her but her brother is banished and dead to her. Yeah that makes sense. That’s why I see her reasoning as a joke. All Indra has do is make a comment about hoping she kept her training up and Octavia is all in once again. Give me a break!

  9. Goldenvibefan says:

    I’m hoping by the end of the season, octavia is able to move past Lincoln’s death.. Also I really am hoping somehow for more Jasper and Octavia interactions. Jactavia for the win!

  10. Alex says:

    Oh wow so Octavia can go and seek revenge for Linc but not Clarke for Lexa? Jason is one salty rat, I see.

    Not watching. Moving along. BOOM. OUT, BISH!

    • Who is Clarke going to get revenge from? Titus is already dead and Polis is already in political upheaval. There is nobody related to Lexa’s death left!

      • Exactly. Octavia got her revenge by killing the person who killed Lincoln but as Sammy says, Lexa was killed by Titus who’s already dead. Why do you use every opportunity to be nasty toward Jason? Yes, he made some bad mistakes but it’s completely inappropriate in this instance.

      • Bobby says:

        Bellamy. The person who put pike in charge who killed the army that contributed MASSIVELY to the uprising that convinced titus the only way out was war with skaikru.

  11. Jeffrey Crawford says:

    I think Bellamy is going to find himself in a situation similar to Lincoln. Will karma come back on Bellamy for the death of Lincoln? Will Octavia save her brother? Only time will tell. Jus drein, jus daun. If anybody should have died in season 3 it should have been Jasper. He was the weakest person after mount weather. He could not pull himself together. Monty killed his mom and didn’t crackup the way Jasper did. He was really annoying.

    • Kay says:

      Yeah Jasper got kinda annoying. If they wanted his story to be a PTSD one they didn’t write that well. I don’t root for deaths on shows, but fact is his death would have made a lot more sense than most others they wrote last year. I also think realistically Bellamy should have died for the massacres they did, not only Pike. Lincoln dying was sad, but I knew the actor is the main star of American Gods now so he had to leave. What made no sense to me too were the crazy many deaths in that grounders capital. They murdered almost everyone and for what, it was kinda dumb and over the top to me.

      • Skillz says:

        So Jasper lost his girlfriend in a terrible way and he is upset and lashes out on everyone is annoying, but Lexa died and 90% of the so called fans are still whining about it till this day isn’t? Here’s the difference…Jasper losing his girlfriend on the show is real to him, but Lexa is a character on a TV show. The actress is still alive and well.

        • Bryan87 says:

          That user didn’t even mention Lexa? Your reply makes zero sense in that context. Actually, the more I think about it, the less I understand why you it seems to bother you so much that Lexa may have been a character a lot of young and/or queer viewers related to that you feel the need to make such an uncalled for statement.

      • Lincoln dying was nothing to do with Ricky starring in American Gods. He asked to be written out of The 100 months before he got that role. He was unhappy with the fact that Lincoln had virtually no screen time in season 3, argued with Jason Rothenberg about it (he said that he was ‘professionally bullied’ by Jason) and decided to leave. It was only after that happened that he was cast in American Gods. Now comes the unpopular bit – originally Lincoln was supposed to have a much bigger storyline in season 3 but it got cancelled. I believe the reason for that was so that Jason could write the first half of the season around Lexa as he knew he only had Alycia for a limited number of episodes.

        • Ashley says:

          Yeah I heard Lincoln was originally supposed to die in the finale, Ricki wasn’t happy with the way they kinda dissed his character. But American Gods and Fear the Walking Dead turned out to not even be half as good as The 100 and have received lots of criticism. So the only one who is smug now is probably Jason.

  12. Jeffrey Crawford says:

    I wasn’t ready to see Lexa go so soon. Her eyes! Omg! And Pike killing Lincoln is still hard to accept. I keep watching the episode over again hoping the scenario changes. Octavia beating Bell was an intense scene. Season 4 will be interesting. Now that Allie doesn’t have everyone’s mind anymore. How are they going to survive facing a new threat?Who will be the next to die?

  13. Skillz says:

    Here’s the deal with any TV show…if you watch the show for one character then you shouldn’t even watch the show. Lexa died yeah, but which is worse? Lexa dying and gone from the show or Lexa alive but still gone from the show. Either way she is not on the show. They made it perfectly clear that they only had 7 more episodes with her, so either way she wasn’t going to be on there any more. At least as long as Fear the Walking Dead was around and that show will be around for some tiime.

    • Bryan87 says:

      Not sure what any of this has to do with the article we’re discussing here, but for what it’s worth: FTWD is easily a better career move for any actor coming off a CW show. However, it doesn’t change the fact that the producer(s) are flat out kidding themselves and their audience when they claim scheduling issues as the reason why Debnam Carey is no longer on the show. There was very little overlap between FTWD and The 100 filming last season and there’s exactly zero overlap this season, meaning she could have filmed all of season 4, since FTWD doesn’t even start shooting season 3 until late January 2017.

      • miria says:

        That’s what WE THINK we know about scheduling issues, or any other issues. We actually don’t know anything, right? Do you know something others don’t? Please share, with proof.

        • TySpin says:

          I’m not Bryan87, but it’s pretty easy to find out filming scheds.
          Just googled Fear the Walking Dead. Filming s2 began in December 2015 in Mexico. Filming for s3 of The 100 wrapped in January 2016 in Canada. Filming for The 100 season 4 will last until January 16, 2017. Filming for season 3 of Fear the Walking Dead won’t start until January 2017.
          That’s pretty typical for cable shows. Casts tend to have long periods of being off work coz they typically film less episodes and on a different sched than network productions.
          That’s why most cable productions tend to be pretty lenient these days bout cast finding additional work. The main family’s mother, forgot her name, from Fear the Walking Dead is also on House of Cards since their s3 for example.

          • miria says:

            I’m not talking about filming schedules only, I’m talking about any scheduling issue we might not know about. They never talked about scheduling issues regarding FTWD, they only talked about scheduling issues in general. I know she wasn’t filming for about 4 or 5 months, at least it seemed that she didn’t film anywhere, but do we know what exactly she did during this time? She was in Australia for some time off, maybe vacation, she did one or two photo shoots, she was attending one or two cons, but what do we know exactly? Only what she (or her agent) let us know via social media.

          • Alex says:

            Fear the Walking Dead turned out to be crap but that’s the risk Alycia took abandoning Lexa. I look at the late Carrie Fisher and I think what a great woman to always stand by and care for the character that made her who she was. And then I look at Alycia trying to kid herself and her fans into thinking Alicia Clark is anything worth admiring compared to the great role model she was as Lexa. She is not. No wonder the ratings are tumbling and so many TWD fans hate the spin off. It is time to start promoting the actors still on The 100. Alycia is irrelevant now, she made it so although I will always always love and long for our Heda, Lexa.

  14. lokresia says:

    Someone to reminded me, please, when was the last time that “The 100″‘s writers use words “dark” and “light” for Bellamy or Clarke’s actions? For Bellamy and Clarke “there is no good guys”, “there is things worse than death” but, yeah, I mean this is Octavia. She is a monster because when she hits people they actually start fight with their weaknesses or is it because she beat up Bellamy after he destroyed her future and dreams with his choices and actions? Octavia isn’t perfect like Bellamy who tries so hard to protect people but all he has done is killing more and more people every next time.

    • Tina says:

      I often think Bellamy is like a self-insert for some of the male writers of this show. That’s why the writing for him is so messed up and there’s so little self-awareness in it that lets him getaway with his insane actions with few consequences. I mean, compare him and Raven who gets tortured physically and emotionally over and over every season and yet has done nothing to deserve that extreme fate. That’s just one example. It’s the same when you compare him to many other characters. Dude’s a friggin mass murderer at this point and yet they act like him crying a few crocodile tears and getting into a single physical row with Octavia means he’s suffered the most terrible of fates and all should be forgiven.

      • Jacob says:

        Tina its not th

      • Jacob says:

        Sorry tip o Tina it’s not that I disagree with you I’m a Bellamy fan and even I think he’s got a lot of making up to do but that seine with octavia was a lot more than him just being beaten up it was his only family in the world disowning him. Also yes he hasn’t done a nuff to make for what he did but doesn’t he deserve the chance to

        • lokresia says:

          “Nuff” has to be other word for “nothing” in Bellamy’s case. After three seasons, 45 episodes, 1000 dead and many more mistakes at the end he did nothing to change and be better next time.
          It sounds like Octavia beaten up Bellamy without gave him any chance to fix things but he had it after all, many chances actually. The last one he had – Bellamy chose Pike while Octavia was missing. He saved Pike’s life without worry that his little sister was alone and homeless in grounders territories. He didn’t even noticed that grounders whose lands he wanted to stole – kidnapped her. They wanted revenge and had all rights to kill her because of his crimes against them – this is the extent to which he doesn’t realize what kind of consequences can have his actions.
          He was so disappointed by his sister because she chose to have a few braids in her hair that he didn’t recognize what Octavia done when the girl left him alone with Clarke as he never did it before. Like him, the part of fans used to ignore Octavia’s attempts to be loyal sister and extolling Bellamy’s ones. But while Bellamy always protects a little girl who has lived under floor whole her life, Octavia is there for a murderer every time when he fails.
          I don’t try to argue with you, just want to say that we don’t talk about second chance when it comes to him. He had it in S1 and he had third in S2, and fourth, and fifth in S3. His choices killed 1000 people and he never paid for their death. Something more he continues to kill people which makes me think that he doesn’t respect the life. It’s not just double standart which writers use for their characters. This articles theurgical eliminates whole Bellamy’s fault for events in S3, putting all bad things he did in Octavia’s mind.
          Yeah, all this time Lincoln was Octavia’s fiction; Bellamy who helped Pike to get weapons, go to kill 300 sleeping people, take the charge was just Octavia’s dream; Bellamy who betrayed all his friends wasn’t real. Poor Bellamy, his little sister is a post-apocalyptic child of Stephen King and George.R.R.Martin…

          • Jacob says:

            Lokresia first Bellamys body count is not 1000 and octavia was doing more than putting braids in her hair she was openly chosing the grounder culture over the arks not a bad thing put she was talking about leaving rember so a lot more than a few braids. Again not a bad thing I’m not saying that but octavia has not been there for him at ever turn after ginas death octavia like every one else pretty much ecnored Bellamy that was a time he could really have used his sister and she wasn’t there. Next I get what your saying about which chance Bellamy me is on and your right but really what was the third chance in season 2 wasn’t he still on his second chance what are you getting at there? You didn’t mention it but I just wanted to say in my mind Lincolns death isn’t on Bellamy because he tried to stop it octavia would let him help who know what might have happened if she had wich brings me to the point I was trying to make yes Bellamy has screwed up Royally but can’t we all give him one more chance because he really is trying and also I’m going to be honest here if he mess up again this season I won’t be giving him any more chances so how about it guys one last chance.

          • lokresia says:

            No, his actions just killed 320 sky people in S1, 357 mountain men in S2, 302 grounders in S3. It is only 979 victims. They all were innocent and helpless. How could you defend yourself from enemy who you don’t see?
            Bellamy didn’t kill Lincoln but that doesn’t make him innocent. He had fault for Lincoln’s death as Pike, Kane and Octavia. Pike was the Chancellor because of Bellamy(and everyone else who vote for him but Lincoln wasn’t everyone’s friend or boyfriend of everyone’s sister.). According to Bellamy Lincoln’s death wasn’t his fault but I’m curious if Pike was killed Octavia in the same situation whose would be the fault then?
            Octavia had Bellamy’s loyalty for first 16 years of her life. But in first 16 years of her life she didn’t live with a cold blood murderer who would kill sleeping people. He didn’t give her reason to trust him. Her braids and different culture didn’t give him right to neglect her right to be happy and have home somewhere with the man she loved. He knew very well how people there threat her since her birth and if he think they would like her when she change her clothes and she should do it immediately to impress them – he had much more problems than I though. He is enough smart to know that if the charge has taken for someone who doesn’t like grounders, Octavia and Lincoln would be in danger there because they are too close to their enemies. They should leave Arkadia to survive. His actions disowned them both.
            He was alone after Gina’s death because he suffered. It is the same thing like when Jasper and Raven did, pushing away their friends. Clarke and Octavia who left their people. Do you really believe that Octavia wasn’t there for her brother? That she would leave him alone when he suffer? Octavia who is always there to comfort these who suffer.
            I talked about MW. He and Clarke have to warn PEOPLE there instead of Cage. People dinner without knowing that they are in danger and what would happen with them and their children. Bellamy and Clarke could have the chance to save them all but just chose to put responsibility in Cage’s hands it’s the same situation between Bellamy and Octavia in S3. (“I came to you. You didn’t take my help.” And what would he do? Would he take the bullet instead of Lincoln?)

          • Jacob says:

            Lokresia Lincolns death still isn’t Bellamys fault he tried to stop it that will always be what it comes back to the point is that octavia didn’t take his help even though she needed it. With the election there’s more to an election than one person always is yes Bellamy gave his support to pike but do you really think that’s what decided it or maybe the fact Kane didn’t bother to campaign. Next I never said there was anything wrong with what octavia was doing I was just making it clear that it was a bit more than as you put it having braids also her and Lincoln were leaving before Bellamy went of the deep end the only reason they didn’t was because Lincoln wanted to stay. Which brings me to my next point where was she then I didn’t see octavia try to help her brother after ginas death not once and also you don’t stop when someone tries pushing you away when your family or friends needs your help you keep trying you keep pushing weather they like it or not. With what you said about mw fair a nuff that’s something that hadn’t occurred to me but most of those people did know what cage was doing the people Mia represented was always a very small part of the mm so I’m not sure that would have worked.

          • lokresia says:

            Kane would be the next Chancellor of Arkadia before Bellamy changed people’s opinion when he shows to everyone who is his new Chancellor. Bellamy’s actions were propaganda. Here hides Bellamy’s fault for Lincoln’s death and he couldn’t change it. The fault doesn’t disappear when you want but when you actually fix the things. And Bellamy don’t help them, Lincoln is death, it couldn’t be changed. He left Arkadia and went to Octavia to ask her for permission to help them(doubting her abilities but Octavia succeed without him. She wasn’t there as Bellamy to save one of eight. She want to save everyone and she did it. One person died from eight. It’s mean that Kane, Sinclair, Nathan and David Miller, Bryan and Harper were alive when they leave Arkadia because of Octavia.) but Monty didn’t need any trust, love, support or permission to help his friends. Monty was risking everything to help them. Why did Bellamy leave Arkadia when Octavia didn’t trust him anymore? He hoped that she’ll change her opinion for him after his one for her new culture was still the same.(The braids are a symbol.)
            How many times you could annoying them with your tries to help them for a day before they lost their sanity? The day of the funeral isn’t the right moment when you have to push them(example: Raven and Clarke – 2×09) – it’s cruel to do it. He didn’t need someone’s help to mourn his girlfriend. Bellamy didn’t connect with Pike because he needed a friend, Pike gave him purpose that distracting Bellamy from pain. Octavia couldn’t change it even if she was tied for Bellamy all the time.
            MM knew what Cage do but they hadn’t any idea that Clarke and Bellamy will kill them before they get the chance to see ground or use bone marrow. Do you think that people will let their children to die for something they never see? That information would change everything for them but no one tell them. They hadn’t second chance. Bellamy was one of the people who didn’t gave it to them.

          • Jacob says:

            Lokresia first I’ve been involved in elections in the past and believe me when I tell you one person can’t swing it like you saying also public opinion was already swing against the grounders and then they found out Kane had signed away there sovereignty to a woman they all probably still saw as a traitor (rightly or wrongly) without even asking them about it. So yes Bellamy probably won pike a few votes but he was NOT the only reason pike won. Next you said about going to octavia to ask they need to work together if they were going to sacsed that what it was about it was about putting there difference to one side so they could do this one thing together for a prison break you need to talk you need to plan that’s what he was trying to do there. Also I would say Bellamy had talked pike out of things in the past if he’d been there I might have been able to stop pike from freaturning the other grounders. About after ginas death again I’m going to say you don’t leave some one alone after they’ve lost some that way also octavia didn’t try to help him not once and yes pike gave him a dastraction like you say but pike was also offering him a way to feel better no one else was doing that. Every one else just left Bellamy alone which you just DON’T do in those situations I’m not saying Bellamy isn’t responsible I would never say but my point is what he did didn’t come out of no where and could have been ovoid. With mw I see what your saying but your plan would have been a big risk they all seemed pretty ok with cages leadership also do remember Emerson was cutting through the door so they really didn’t have a lot of time to act.

          • lokresia says:

            I didn’t want to say that people swing. The Arkadians were afraid by grounders and their lifestyle and Lexa didn’t help them to overcome this fear. She should make them part of her coalition earlier and let them to live to live in MW without worrying for grounders reaction as a present for their win against their the greatest enemy, SP deserved it. They had the same right to live as equal with Lexa’s people but she ignore this for three months before Ice nation risk Clarke’s life. Abby and Kane should assert theirs people’s rights and Pike was right to blame Kane for that. If they lived in MW no one would die later, Emerson couldn’t know codes and the technologies there would help them to find their people faster, Ice nation’s actions against farm station would be a crime against Lexa’s coalition and everything would be different. I just wanted to explain in my last post that when Bellamy started to chant “Pike! Pike! Pike!” less than 12 hours before election, he gave them an other option different by Kane. Pike wasn’t there all the time he came three days or maybe a week before election. People didn’t see him as their next Chancellor, Bellamy help them to see Pike in that role.
            If he was loyal brother, friend and soldier all the time I would be agree with you. But he wasn’t. He stole weapons and ignored Chancellor’s order, wanted to massacre the army of their allies and put all of them in war. Because he knew that grounders couldn’t use that kind of weapons against their enemies(2×01) and instead he found who tell them how to destroyed the bunker what was his duty after he left his position there and people died, he turned against another innocent people. He blames grounders that they follow Lexa’s orders but when he did the same thing with Pike’s orders – he wasn’t guilty. He tried to help Octavia’s plan as grounders tried to help Arkadia’s protection but while he is alive, they died – shot because of him.
            Bellamy could protect Lincoln and Sinclair putting all the blame on Kane. He was the only threat for Pike’s leadership. When people start starving because of blockade, Kane would turn them against Pike and save them, not Lincoln who was throwing with stones by them and disowned by his own people or Sinclair. It was a big nonsense when Pike missed to bring Kane back with card “I will killed grounders” and eliminate him because he was the soul and heart of riot. But when their resources ended the grounder prisoners would be their salvation and would be better if they had more alive of them. Bellamy missed his chances to protect his friends. There isn’t place for Bellamy in Octavia’s plan – he betrayed them and was loyal to Pike all the time(even when he went to Octavia). When his sister was in danger, he chose to protect Pike instead of her. And she knew it, Miller probably told her why Kane’s riot failed and her boyfriend was sentenced to death. When Bellamy went to her, he looked like a cat which gifted to its owner a dead mouse(his loyalty). How she could believe that he is the brother she knew from her childhood and wouldn’t return to Pike with important information about their plan? Here comes Monty again who prove yourself and Bellamy should be with him there. They were a good team.
            Oh, please, Bellamy would protect grounders(after he hate all of them) by Pike and how fast would Pike understand that his little brave soldier turn against him then? This is another death sentence to Lincoln who wouldn’t let Octavia to return for her brother and would do it alone, no with Miller’s help actually, Miller would return for Bellamy. The story would end with arrested Bellamy and death of Lincoln and Miller. At least Lincoln would have important and more logic death that really united people(grounder who died for sky person), and Bellamy, Octavia and Kane won’t be guilty for his death anymore.
            It was his girlfriend’s funeral day, he didn’t need to feel better but to mourn for her loss(he didn’t do it yet and I believe he won’t have a chance in S4 too). The man who hide from his own sister for a year because death of their mother, doesn’t need someone who gave him wipes while he mourn his losses. Maybe Octavia knows, understands and respected his choice. In the memorial had very small group of people only these who knew the victims. Lincoln was the only one who was an outsider. We saw what they did to him because he was a grounder although he was wearing a guard uniform, what would happen if Octavia was there with her braids? Octavia never had scenes with Gina but Raven who was her friend wasn’t on the funeral too or Monty who lost his father. I don’t know why she wasn’t there as I don’t understand why Bellamy let Octavia on grounders mercy and protect Pike. Maybe she doesn’t like funerals or she had other work in the camp; she felt helpless because she was the one who told them to forget for MW, she left her possition there as Bellamy, she couldn’t save these people too. It’s cruel but life doesn’t stop because you lost someone. It’s infantile to say that he turned against them all because they had something else to do when Kane showed him his all support, telling Bellamy that he hadn’t any fault and left him the jacket(the jacket is a symbol too as braids are) he like so much or when Octavia showed him that isn’t too late for them to fix things together after he killed grounders. If he didn’t want to be alone maybe he wouldn’t steal weapons, planning genocide(which led him to jail and isolated him by his people more) and go outside the walls where was sure as hell he would never find friends. That Octavia, Lincoln, Kane and Miller didn’t want to blame and kill innocent grounders with him don’t mean that they didn’t care for him.
            It wasn’t a risky situation, it was so simple. Please make difference between Cage and his people – all women, men and children who didn’t know anything for their real situation. Emerson was there for them because of Cage who they warned for their presence in mountain. If they weren’t waste time to kill Dante and talk with Cage, they could give people chance to choose their own fate. Locked in the control room, watching them, ready to put the level and kill them all if MM refuse to free their people. Would MM choose death? I don’t know but I guess it was hard for Clarke to follow her father’s way and Bellamy couldn’t kill people so well when they know what he is doing.
            PS. I’m so sorry, it’s too long and probably has mistakes.

          • Jacob says:

            Lokresia first I don’t mind the long reply it’s kind of flattering really. With the election you have to understand some people try to put that all on Bellamy he got pike a lot of votes I have no doubt but he wasn’t the only reason it wasn’t actually his idea I can see you see that so ok. With Lincoln fair a nuff he didn’t need to play things the way he did like you said he should have done it him self but for me the fact he tried to stop it means that death isn’t on him and he did prove he could be trusted because he told them about the bug also I would say I like your version of Lincolns death a lot more. With Kane my problem there is that he expected it when he shouldn’t have yes he tried a little but he left it there he shouldn’t have he should have kept trying yes maybe Bellamy wanted to be alone but sometimes you do something for a persons own good we’ve they like it or not. You said him picking pike was a sine he didn’t want any of them but it shouldn’t have got to that point they should have been there for him before that point like I said sometimes you do something for a persons own good you be there for them you insist on it even if they scream at you to go you stay because you love them and you know they need you. With the mountain ok I see what your getting at but I still think they knew a lot about what cage was doing and they weren’t trying to stop kids from being butchered so I find it difficult to see how negotiations would have gone well. Finally I don’t know if you do but seriously think about writing some fanfiction you’ve got some really good ideas I’d read any stuff you’d do.

          • Ashley says:

            Jacob you seem to like playing the victim a lot because you ship Bellarke. It was clear as day that Lexa hated living by some of the rules set by her people but she had no choice, it was what she was taught to do to survive. Lexa liked children, you could see that we her affection for Aden and the nightbloods. She is not the cold hearted cow you seem to be making her out to be just because you don’t support Lexa or Clexa. Now please take your Lexa hate somewhere else. Oh and ps, you seem to like writing people’s names in all CAPS which is actually considered shouting and is very rude.

          • Jacob says:

            Ashley first isn’t that what your doing playing the victim next Lexa didn’t seem to mind that children with berth defects were being shunned she wasn’t even trying to stop that and all caps is a way of emphasising a word sorry that upsets you but I have been called descusting things by Lexa shippers in the past I wonder if you would tell them off.

      • miria says:

        Tina, do you have to do something to “deserve extreme fate”? Do you have to be the badest person on the planet to deserve extreme fate? You can be the best person on earth and face extreme fate.

      • lokresia says:

        He is The 100’s golden boy and that is the reason why this “mess” which the character is, is so annoying for me. I’m sure that The 100 writers could do better job than this Multiple personality disorder that Bellamy has but I’m so tired by waiting for his development that I don’t care anymore(before two years BM was the perfect actor who have to play Jorg Ancrath if some day the series would be adapted for TV, now he makes me sick. It’s sad because he is so talanted). It would be really amazing if he really has it, at least he would have a good reason to be who he is.
        I never like Raven a lot because of the way they presented her to us. Her storyline in first two seasons was pointless. I have feeling that “The 100” writers don’t like to challenge a lot the amazing cast they have. In S3 LM was fantastic. After the crash which the bigger part of the season was, Raven and Murpy were the reasons why the other one wasn’t.

        • Aeneas says:

          I agree. Bellamy’s character has taken a tumble for the worst. He is good looking but Lexa was better for Clarke in the end. Bellamy and Clarke should just be friends. Let Clarke mourn Lexa, she loved Lexa and over Bellamy, she chose to stay with her. It was so heartbreaking and stupid to cut it dead just as they were getting serious.