Reverse Flash Returns

The Flash EP Talks Eobard's Return, Barry's Heartbreak and Harry's Agenda

For over a year, The Flash‘s Barry Allen has been tormented by Reverse-Flash — first, on the streets of Central City, and then via the video that “Harrison Wells” left behind, warning that the scarlet speedster will never be happy.

Now, the Man in Yellow is back, in the flash — er, flesh — to vex Barry & Co. in a whole new, unexpected way.

“You got little glimpses of Matt Letscher (Scandal) last year, but this is his first full-fledged episode,” executive producer Andrew Kreisberg says of Eobard Thawne’s timey-wimey encore. “What’s fun about this episode is we’re meeting the Reverse-Flash before the events of last season, so he doesn’t know Cisco, he doesn’t know Caitlin, he doesn’t know this [young adult] version of Barry, and he hasn’t [traveled back in time and] killed Harrison Wells yet, either. All of that is in the future for him.”

Even so, akin to the chilly reception Earth-Two’s “Harry” received upon meeting our Team Flash, the reactions will be so, so strong when this familiar figure’s presence becomes known, given his association with such a long stretch of duplicity and death. “Everyone’s feelings are very raw,” previews Kreisberg. “They still feel the sting of betrayal and they’re all angry and hurt and devastated…. It creates a very different dynamic that is interesting to see.”

Also interesting to see is Letscher’s performance, Kreisberg says, seeing as he is playing the same character, Eobard Thawne, that Tom Cavanagh (surreptitiously) inhabited for all of Season 1. “Matt did something amazing, which was he took Tom’s performance and integrated it into his own,” the EP raves. “It really does feel like they’re the same character.”

Speaking of Harry: Moments before the tease of Eobard’s arrival in present-day Central City, last week’s episode showed the extreme lengths to which Earth-Two’s Wells is willing to go in the name of… um, what is he up to exactly? Did he snuff the Turtle to save Barry, or to safeguard Zoom from a slow-down?

“You definitely should be wondering,” Kreisberg affirms. “Last season, Wells was fundamentally a bad man who’d been put into an impossible situation. This year, he’s a fundamentally good man who’s also been put into an impossible situation,” leveraged to save his daughter Jesse by helping Zoom steal The Flash’s speed. “But while there is the similarity of working cross-purposes against the team, it’s all coming from a very different place.

“He really feels like he’s between a rock and a hard place,” Kreisberg continues. In the end, “I think he’s going to be faced with: Barry or Jesse?”

Elsewhere in this week’sthe-flash-patty-barry-breakup episode, Shantel VanSanten makes a final (for now?) appearance, as Patty Spivot gets a “great send-off,” Kreisberg assures. And as sad as it is to see Barry lose a romantic interest because of his secret identity, “It’s all a part of his journey this season,” struggling as he has been to avert the sad fate forecast by Wells’ post-mortem video.

“Barry was determined to sort of say, ‘That’s not true, I am going to be happy.’ And then his dad gets out of prison and decided to go on a walkabout. And then he meets this great girl and the relationship gets ruined. Everything that Wells predicted has sort of come true,” Kreisberg recounts. Coming off the Patty break-up, “Barry will turn his attention back toward Zoom, thinking, ‘If I could just beat Zoom, I’ll finally be happy’ — which might be a rather rose-colored outlook for a superhero destined to have ongoing foes.

“Barry doesn’t realize that he’s the star of a TV show,” Kreisberg quips. “Oliver [Queen] is used to the never-ending battle against evil, but Barry hasn’t quite gotten his head around that yet!”

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74 Comments
  1. jermyroberts says:

    I actually really like Patty. I would not mind at all if she came back in a regular role next year or something

    • ? says:

      Me too. Yeah, Barry’s not going to end up with her (and shouldn’t), but I think she’s a great addition to his supporting cast.

    • CC says:

      Totally agree! She really adds to the show and I’m sorry to see her run end. I hope they bring her back as a regular.

    • Ryana says:

      I like her too and want her back.

    • Mak says:

      Patty was ok..a bit insecure and annoying at times but what I liked was that the writers did know how to use her character. Iris on the other hand…just floats around the series with no real purpose…she not even of much help to the Flash team.

      • Casey says:

        I love Iris! I love how she brought Barry back to the team 2×01-2×02 and encouraged him through it.

        I would not want her to be with STAR Labs all the time.

        Look at what has happened to Caitlin she’s background music. She has no storyline outside of Jay.

        I prefer Iris’ “floating” she helped with Dr Light 2×05-2×06, she’s dealing with her family and she’s a reporter. She’s got her own life and storyline. Here here to that!

        Spending 45 minutes solely in STAR Labs would be boring. You could literally give Caitlin’s lines to Cisco that’s how irrelevant they have made her.

        Hopefully she’ll be Killer Frost one day and actually exist outside of the Lab.

  2. If Eobard Thawne is erased from existence, then he wouldn’t exist. All of the damage he would have done would have been erased too, so how can he exist?

    • Drew says:

      Eobard Thawne was erased from Earth 1’s existence. On Earth 2, Jay Garrick is the Flash and so Eddie Thawne did not have to kill himself and Eobard can thus be born as the Earth 2 Reverse Flash.

      • RadMac says:

        That makes no sense. This RF is the original from Earth 1 before he killed Wells and the events that occurred in season 1. Earth 2 has nothing to do with this. Since he was killed in season 1 he shouldn’t be able to comeback but hey it’s a tv show not reality. I love that they are bringing him back.

        • u434 says:

          i think that interrupting the singularity in as it was wiping out the earth kept the timeline from fixing itself, so…timey wimey stuff and quantum nonsense?

        • Phoenix5634 says:

          season 1 Eobard could have been from E2, as well as future Barry. Right now in E2 it’s mostly representing golden age comic storylines, but future Barry and Eobard are from 2166, by then on E2 they could be further along and representing Silver age storylines. And we now in 2166 on E1 Vandal Savage is waging war on humanity and killed most the superheroes. Plus we know that RF was the one who opened the rift in time/space to travel back to kill Barry as a child before he lost a significant amount of his speedforce, maybe he lost his powers in the way he did becuz he not only travelled back in time, but also from E2 to E1.

      • tvjunkie says:

        Except this article pretty clearly indicates it’s the same Reverse Flash and not someone from Earth 2.

    • tvjunkie says:

      If he was truly erased from existence then everything about season 1 and for that matter, season 2 never actually happened or is happening. I think it’s more like Back to the Future where there are multiple timelines and he was only erased from a particular timeline.

    • Gail says:

      The show already has shown that everything that happened prior to Eobard Thawne being erased happened. Thus Barry’s mother died, his father went to jail, Barry lived with Joe and Iris, Barry became the Flash earlier than he was supposed to, and the real Earth One Doctor Welles was killed by the Reverse Flash. What was said in the preview for the episode and explained above is that this is the Reverse Flash’s origin story. I would guess Flash and company will fail to stop him since everything still happens. Perhaps they will discover that they have to allow him to for fill his destiny or else the world will end or something Or perhaps Earth 2 Dr. Welles allows things to happen as they did to help save his daughter some how..

    • Phoenix5634 says:

      The Eobard we seen get erased from existence at the end of season 1, was further along in his timeline, the Eobard we are about to see this episode could be years from doing the stuff we seen in season 1. And becuz speedsters are not bond by linear time when they are erased it doesn’t undo everything they’ve done.

  3. Cyndi says:

    Please bring Patty back once Barry realizes that this fight against evil won’t stop did the show gets cancelled.

  4. kara says:

    I eally like Patty. sad to see her leave

  5. Kim R says:

    Too. Many. Earths. :D I’m going to have to start taking notes!

  6. Good! Less Patty Spivot hopefully means more Iris West, and the incredibly beautiful and talented Candice Patton.

  7. Olivia says:

    I’m so happy Patty’s gone. Maybe bow the writers can focus on developing the main cast and not a guest star. Good riddance, Patty Spivot!

    • sam says:

      Good riddance is right! Lying about their being danger on the train. Just go and take your loaded gun with you. Trigger happy Patty. I really hated how she tricked him like that.

      • Phoenix5634 says:

        Sam you really need to calm down, we get it, you don’t like Patty and you love Iris…
        Exaggerated comments like your making is why people always have conflict with Iris fans.

  8. Michelle says:

    Here’s hoping we never see her again. She was annoying and frankly, took time away from the awesome cast members. I understand why they brought her on ( likely due to the shipping nonsense ) but she just didn’t add anything.

    • tvjunkie says:

      She had far more romantic chemistry with Barry than Iris ever had.

      • Linda Park West??? says:

        I disagree…I see more chemistry between Barry and Iris in the stillls for tonight’s episode than I ever saw with Barry and Patty.

      • hannah says:

        i felt nothing with barry and patty. barry and iris on the other hand, sizzle together.

        • Sam says:

          I’m with you guys @tvjunkie is clearly drawn to BLAND MAYO “chemistry” Barry even has more chemistry with the real Felicity not this cheap knock off lol.

          She was too trigger happy for my liking.

      • Michelle says:

        Honestly? He had better chemistry with Linda. It’s too bad they couldn’t have them have another go at it.

      • Sam says:

        Barry and Patty had NO chemistry it was so disappointing. They were like watching paint dry.

        I think Barry has great chemistry with Iris, and had good chemistry with Linda.

        Patty however, they tried to make her Felicity 2.0 and failed miserably.

  9. Kingmose1 says:

    I very much hope Patty returns. Her chemistry with Barry was the best.

    • Sam says:

      Some of you don’t know what chemistry is lol because Barry and Patty did not have it. It’s an insult to Grant Gustin (kidding). He has more chemistry with JOE and HARRY than he ever had with Patty

      • Tai says:

        You know it’s all subjective, right? You’ve been hardcore replying to everything spreading your opinion. Like we get it. You don’t like Patty. That doesn’t mean that the people who do like Patty are wrong. They just have a different opinion. I, for one, liked Patty and Barry together. We all know the whole Iris and Barry thing is going to happen. But for right now, I just don’t see it. She isn’t into him. There needs to be a lot more development before they push those two together and make it believable.

        • Wanda says:

          That’s exactly what they did with him and Patty, pushed them together. Everybody including Joe and Iris giving him relationship advice. I will be happy when they push them together no matter how much work it takes. Besides the fact Barry will always love Iris.

  10. Linda Park West??? says:

    Patty and Barry were extremely rushed and really lacked depth at the core of the relationship which was Patty being insecure, Barry lying to her about everything, sex, and awkward dates. Not a strong foundation. I still don’t understand why Barry refuses to tell her about him being the Flash. Patty knowing is no different than Iris knowing. Telling her would’ve advanced the relationship but maybe Barry didn’t want that in the long run.

    As for Patty herself. She was alright. I cant say I’ll miss her. The writers didn’t seem to put a whole lot of thought into her character, just made her into a female Barry. She had his personality, backstory, interests, and now going for the same job. The awkward nerdy girl archetype has gotten old for me. We see it with Felicity, Kara, and now Patty.

    I’m really excited for the back half. 2A was dragged down by LOT and Barry/Patty drama. I’m looking forward to seeing more of Zoom and watching thatmystery unfold. I’m already loving Wally and cant wait to his relationships with Joe, Iris, add Barry develop. Iris really got the short end of the stick so far so I’m looking forward to her journalism arc. Earth 2 eps look good. Harrison Wells amd seeingg which way he goes will also be fun.

    The only plot I’m not interested in is Jay Garrick’s mysterious illness. The writers have done this iconic character a huge disservice. The romance with Caitlin is flat. They should have saved Jay for next season.

    • Wanda says:

      Exactly, he has better chemistry with her because they made them a couple. Barry and Iris haven’t dated so you can’t compare the two. Happy she is gone. Wasted all that time last week on them instead of having more action in the show. Superhero show not a romance show.

  11. Azerty says:

    I am very confused by that version of Reverse Flash I was expecting a RF from Earth 2 and I had that theory from the trailer and the sneak peak that edge would turned out to be a good guy (for now). I hope they will explain it well. For a moment I was also expecting Harry to loose his daughter and blame Team Flash for that, then inject himself some kind of setup that would turn him into the dark side and becoming the new RF. Anyway I am wrong. However I think it is too soon to reintroduce RF we barely know Zoom who is what he want how he got his speed. I hope they won’t drag that story too long.

  12. Emily says:

    Excited that we’ll finally be able to focus on the show again and the characters we know and care about. Definitely looking forward to Matt’s performance. Meanwhile, Barry won’t have to worry about his secret identity when he’s with Iris because she understands it all :)

  13. Valerie says:

    Finally! Bye Patty..I won’t miss you at all. I hope we get more Iris and WestAllen romance…it’s about time!!

  14. Sof says:

    YES PATTY IS GONE !

  15. Melinda says:

    Patty’s presence added nothing to the story. The writers failed to find her an original storyline and ways to successfully integrate her into the show. A few examples… Iris gets accused of being a damsel in distress (not true) but how many times was Patty kidnapped. Patty was kept in the dark over Barry’s identity, well we already saw that storyline played out with Iris. Joe did not treat Patty like his partner, he showed and gave Eddie more respect and consideration as his partner than he did Patty. Even the storyline Patty had was Barry’s. She became an officer to avenge her father’s death. Season one was all about bringing his mother’s killer to justice.

    Andrew Kreisberg told us that Patty was going to be Barry’s own Felicity. So, Patty was already given/assigned an identity, personality, what have you, of another character from a different show. Okay. They thought so little of this character that they could not find a way to make her interesting in her own right. Lastly, Barry Allen himself could not be more glad to see her leave. At no point in her ten episodes appearances did Barry give any indication that he was so into her. Barry had to be convinced by Joe to give Patty a chance. Barry has a nightmare and even in that nightmare he makes no effort to save Patty. Now compare and contrast that to Barry’s panic when Iris was being shot at and she took that trust fall. At the art event we watched Jay pull Barry to safety. He and Caitlin left Patty there on the ground. If Patty was so important to Barry than you best believe Caitlin would have stayed behind. We all know if that was Iris there is no way Jay and Caitlin would have left her alone.

    Not sorry to see Patty leave. Her presence was pointless. Relationship with Barry was pointless.

    • Wanda says:

      Agree on all those points.

    • Mak says:

      At least Patty’s character had a bit of depth even though she was annoying in parts..she had good development and was bad ass at her job…the same cannot be said for Iris who floats around with no purpose at all. That Linda Park story was more exciting than anything Iris has done this or last season.

      • Mo says:

        Yeah pretty much this. Candice Patton said Wally was someone brought on specifically for her. Probably why he’s older on the show than the comics. Poor Wally reduced to being someone’s prop.

        • Sam says:

          LOL! Wally was brought in because he’s Wally. It’s been what TWO episodes. It’s called an introduction he needs to get to know his family. Candice Patton never said that. Geoff Johns and Andrew Kriesberg discussed Wally before they started the show. They were excited to add diversity and always planned to make him African American on the show. You’re literally making zero sense.

          Talking about props. Jay GARRICK has been nothing but a prop for Caitlin (the definition of a love interest). Hopefully after what TEN episodes he will have something to do!

          Wally has been in two episodes. What was he suppoesed to do get struck by lightning, suit up and become the Flash in TWO episodes? Get a grip.

          But you have a hard on hate for Iris so what else is new? Take on your tinted *prejudice* glasses and get a grip with reality!

          • Kelly says:

            To Sam: glad someone said it. Completely absurd.

            And Patty sucked the life out of this season. This whole episode was her stalking Barry around and even trying to get information of out Joe. Just leave and stop causing unnecessary drama. She knew Barry two to three months tops!

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          • Sam says:

            You see the same commentors after and while. And see their agenda. It’s so obvious. But sure let’s pretend that’s not what it is.

            The outrage follow any time soon, “you people always say that” “am i not allowed to”

            Heard it all before.

          • Mo says:

            Sam: here you go:

            http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/17/the-flash-candice-patton-on-earth-2-iris-and-the-introduction-of-wally-west

            IGN: How does the introduction of Wally affect the dynamic of the show?

            Patton: …It’s just nice to have a new character and a new storyline, and someone else for Iris specifically to interact with.

            Just like Iris they brought in Wally way too early. Iris should have been introduced this season & Wally next season. But they didn’t know if there’d be a 2nd season so they threw as many eggs in the basket as they could and this is what we have. A love interest & sidekick waiting in the background who have nothing to do except interact with each other. I mean, really. Does it look like Barry is ready to be a mentor to anyone? Does Iris look like she wants to get busy with Barry any time soon or ever? Wally isn’t a kid & given his experience does he look like he’d take to being mentored by someone only a couple years older than him? Just because I’m not a rabid fan of Iris doesn’t mean I hate her. So why don’t you put aside your judgmental attitude and get some perspective?

          • Hytecker says:

            Let’s stop with playing the racist angle. I love Iris, disliked Patty and can’t stand Wally. He’s an obnoxious Jackass. Why did they have to stereotype him as the angry young black man? Joe doesn’t deserve the disrespect and he doesn’t deserve to be mentored if he doesn’t get some humility. I’m beginning to hope he’s the one in the grave on Arrow!

        • Casey says:

          The salty tears of white fanboys and girls over Patty. It’s amusing. She was temporary.

          As for Wally from the spoiler pictures of episode 12 he will meet Barry, and so the journey of The Flash and Kid Flash will begin.

          Wally needs to get to know his family. I’m loving his beginning episodes, especially his scene with Iris and hers with Francine. We’ve gotten to know Barry’s family and know we’re getting to know Iris, the West’s story.

          I am enjoying Iris’ storyline in comparison to how in this current episode Patty was willing to throw her career away over a 2 month relationship filled with nothing but lies and Caitlin has nothing better to do (she doesn’t even have her job at Mercury Labs) than follow Jay around.

          Iris and her family is refreshing. I know they always planned on bringing Wally in. But I’d rather have a family member and dynamic spearheading an arc for Iris than for her to just be a love interest like Patty and Cailtin,

          The moment Patty’s usefulness as Barry’s girlfriend expired she was gone. Caitlin well, even on Earth-2 she’s attached at the hip to someone Ronnie.

          Iris as a daughter, a sister, a friend and a reporter is far more interesting than anything the others have going on.

  16. Gail says:

    The current timeline is already changed from the original one which we never saw. Barry wasn’t supposed to become the Flash for a few more years. Reverse Flash changed this as the series began. So in the original time line when reverse Flash came to Central City in the present Barry would not have been the Flash. I love trying to figure this stuff out.

  17. Phoenix5634 says:

    I can’t wait for this episode tonight! I’ve been waiting for RF and Barry’s story to continue since the season 1 finale! There’s still so much to happen between these two characters.

  18. Aliah Berry says:

    I’d rather Patty stay gone.

  19. Drizzt says:

    The acting and writing in The Flash are so bad. 2 Broke Girls bad..ok not that bad but still.

  20. April says:

    I just finished rewatching Eli Stone and now the “father” and “oldest son” are in the Flash together. I’m hoping for some Easter eggs or at least a scene with them together.

  21. Kristina says:

    I’ll miss Patty. I really liked them together despite knowing they wouldn’t end up together.

  22. Phoenix5634 says:

    In the previews of the next episode, there’s something suspicious about the facial expression Harry had when Barry says “this time I’m going to end it” speaking about Eobard. And I’m pretty sure we got a look at the treadmill being used for its real purpose for the first time.

  23. J says:

    Patty Spivot is one of the best recurring characters on The Flash. Sad to see her go but I guess it was inevitable since Barry ends up with Iris right?

    • Sam says:

      Your statement shows how pointless Patty was, “I guess it was inevitable since Barry ens up with Iris righ?”

      Patty’s sole existence rested on her riding Barry. I’m sorry but it’s true. Outside of that no ties to Central City, no friends, no family, no nothing!

      And for that reason alone, she was a waste of time.

      I would much rather the show focus on characters of actual relevance like Jay Garrick, Wally West, Iris West, Cisco Ramon and even Caitlin Snow (though she has zero relevance and is just a love interest atm too).

      Bye Patty! Don’t shoot an honest bystanders on your way out.

      • Wanda says:

        She was on for 9 episodes, made no impact on what the show is about. This I am going to miss Patty stuff is ridiculous, she was just a recurring cast member not team Flash long term. Let’s get back to the Flash and fighting the bad guys.

  24. Mo says:

    Patty was fun while she’s here, hope she gets to make future appearances. From a clip of RF v Flash in tonight’s ep Letscher’s got RF’s snark down. *lol* Buuuuut given what’s planned for future eps AK saying Barry is the star of the show is scary. The show runner GS said something similar before the start of the season, and let’s admit it even Barry has been sidelined so far. So yeah not feeling optimistic about Barry for the rest of the season.

  25. aura says:

    Patty is gone all is right with my world. And did anyone see that Promo for Fast lane, *clutches imaginary pearls*, this is going to be soooooo good. Yay I got my show back

  26. Hytecker says:

    Let’s face facts! This show is the biggest hit the CW or its predecessor the WB has had in decades. As long as the producers don’t muck it up, The Flash could last as long as Smallville. We know Barry and Iris are endgame but getting them together too soon loses their sexual chemistry.

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