The Flash @ Comic-Con: Zoom, Earth 2 Characters Play Into Season 2

the flash season 2 spoilers

A new foe is zooming into The Flash.

Yes, you guessed it — Zoom is the Big Bad for the CW series’ second season, it was announced at the show’s Comic-Con panel on Saturday night.

Barry has his work cut out for him chasing Zoom because the new enemy is faster than both Reverse-Flash and Flash.

While the particle accelerator allowed the show to bring on metahumans, the wormhole ushers in “characters from Earth 2,” executive producer Greg Berlanti previewed.

To that end, Season 2 will also intro the first scarlet speedster, Jay Garrick (to be played by Teddy Sears), in addition to Barry’s new love interest Patty Spivot (Shantel VanSanten) and Wally West.

Also revealed in the panel discussion:

* Season 2 kicks off “a few months later. We deal with the fallout of the cataclysm that happened at the end of the year,” Berlanti revealed.

* “We find Barry dealing with some extra tension,” star Grant Gustin previewed. “He knows that Eddie was ultimately the hero that stopped Wells in the finale and saved everybody. We find him struggling with his role as a hero. He’s a lone wolf, working alone.”

* After his encounter with Eobard Thawne and his Vibe revelation, Cisco is dealing “with that change and what Eobard Thawne told him” and if it’s the truth, Carlos Valdes described.

* Iris has a “new sense of agency,” said Candice Patton, adding that she’s found herself filming in S.T.A.R. Labs more. “‘Iris part of the Flash team” and provides “the heart and earth” while Cisco and Caitlin are the technology and science.

* Be prepared to go ape again — Grodd will return.

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  1. Jeff says:

    So…is Tom Cavanagh back or what?

  2. Katie says:

    So happy to hear Iris will be the heart of Team Flash. Hopefully Barry won’t stay a lone wolf for long. Can’t wait for Wally!!!!

  3. Oh good, the ‘heart’ of the team will be the most frustrating character from the first season. Joy.

    Still, it’ll be nice to see Jay Garrick get his day.

  4. Yeahman says:

    I think Caitlin’s going to turn evil when she becomes Killer Frost.

    • Gail says:

      Or it could be Earth 2’s Caitlin who becomes Killer Frost.

      • Gail says:

        They could set it up that on different Earths different choices are made. Since Ronnie (Robbie Amell) apparently is no longer going to be on the show, say he is killed. Caitlin asks Barry to go to the past and prevent his death. Barry says he can’t. Earth One Caitlin understands this, Earth 2 Caitlin wants revenge and becomes Killer Frost.

  5. Lily says:

    I think that actress they cast for Patty looks way too mature for Grant Gustin. Also, I wish she wasn’t coming on at all. Pointless love triangles are my most hated thing ever now.

    • meatwad says:

      yeah when there is a destined to be relationship that’s not fan created but set in stone in the mythos of the story, well that makes all the before they get together love stories kind of boring

    • Isobel says:

      Agree she’s only four years older but she looks older and he looks younger than their ages

  6. Ian says:

    Heart of the team? That means nothing. Candice, sweetie, love yourself. Go find another show that will actually use you.

  7. Lily says:

    Legitimate question: if Barry/Iris were allowed to just be a couple, is there any reason the show wouldn’t be pretty much exactly the same? In terms of plot, villains, action, comic book mythology, family stuff, etc. Because I think it would, the only things not on the show in that case would be the pointless love interest characters- which would be a GOOD thing. I don’t really know who the love interest stuff is for, because comics fans don’t care about Patty Spivot, casual fans roll their eyes at constant triangles, and shippers hate it, so…I mean, is there anyone who LIKES watching will they/won’t they stuff? I think they should just be together and then they can do the show without having to worry about it, since most people don’t watch for that anyway.

    • Anne says:

      Hear hear. Unfortunately that goes against all TV logic, but I’m with you 100% there- nothing more frustrating than unnecessary plot pretzels to maintain the romantic status quo.

  8. In the Pre Crisis canon, Vandal Savage was a native of Earth 2. Why would he be treated as native to a single Earth in Legends while Jay comes from an entirely alternate Earth? It doesn’t track. Either they are playing fast and loose with it, or making the same idiotic mistake comic book writers and editors made with Power Girl and Black Canary.

    • To add to that, Black Canary was also a resident of Earth 2 who then transferred to Earth 1, as was Wildcat. Why make Garrick an exception?

      • Add Huntress to that list.

      • Gail says:

        Actually in the Pre Crisis it was re conned that Black Canary’s mother was the original Earth 2 Black Canary. The one that moved to Earth 1 was her daughter who only thought she was the original. This was done to explain the presumably 20 year age difference between Black Canary and Green Arrow, who were a couple.

        • Some semantic issues here.

          “it was re conned that Black Canary’s mother was the original Earth 2 Black Canary.”

          More accurately, the mother became the Golden Age Black Canary. By your own account, the daughter “moved to Earth 1”. In order to move there she had to have hailed from Earth 2, which would make both mother AND daughter originally from the same world ;)

          • Gail says:

            She was in a big womb like thing her entire life because she had a birth defect, the Canary Cry. Doctor Fate cast a spell to make her mother and father forget they had a daughter. Only when Golden Age Canary was dying did she remember her daughter. They gave the daughter her mother’s memories because otherwise she would be a 20 year old baby. Its a ridicules story that explained the age difference between Green Arrow and Black Canary and explained where the Canary Cry came from since Golden Age Canary did not have the power. As modern Canary did not actually live on Earth 2 being in the womb thing, you could make the argument she was born as a 20 year old on Earth One.

          • I’ve gone cross-eyed. It’s crap like that why Crisis happened, lol.

    • Gail says:

      I assume the TV show wanted Barry to be the first Flash in the world. If you bring in an older Jay Garrick he would have to be ether from the future or another Earth. Also they probably don’t want Jay on the show all the time and you need a place for him to go home to. The show is” The Flash” not the “Tales of the 2 Flashes” I am sure if Jay is a successful addition to the show they will have him back.

      • OR, as it was done in the Post Crisis comics (though to a lesser scale) Jay could have been frozen in time and forgotten until Barry rescued him. In the comics, the Fiddler and some other villains used their technical know-how to freeze Keystone City in place. Barry used his ability to vibrate his body to discover and liberate the frozen metropolis.

        Something like that, on a lesser scale, could be done to explain Jay’s absence AND age. The actor they cast is hardly old enough to have fought in World War II. How could he be this young and come from another world that remotely resembles the JSA’s World War II-set Earth? He couldn’t. Either he’s more like the younger Jay from the current Earth 2 comics, OR he traveled forward in time from World War II to the present, OR Barry found him frozen in time.

        • Gail says:

          As time has gone by it has become impossible for the old Earth 2 characters to have been adults during World War 2 and still be active enough to be be current Super Heroes. They keep having to make them not age. Everyone can’t be frozen like Captain America. The concept of Earth 2 came about in 1961, less than 20 years after WW 2 and the Earth 2 characters were middle aged and retired from being Super Heroes. Add 50 years to that, the characters are around 100 years old. Like the old Superboy , when he was a young Clark Kent, you have to update when he existed to about 20 years past the current time. In the 1950’s Superboy existed in the late 1930’s or earlier 1940’s. By the 1980’s prior to Crisis, Superboy’s stories took place in the 1960’s.

          • Which is why only three original JSAers survived into the Modern Age following Zero Hour; Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, and Wildcat. Wildcat we already saw in Arrow, and he certainly was neither from Earth 2, fought in World War II, nor was a senior citizen. He was entirely revamped without including an alternate world.

            As I mentioned before, of all the Earth 2 characters that have already shown up in Arrow, Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow, why make Jay Garrick the exception? Because he’s a Flash from the past? There are Flashes from the future, a whole legacy.

            All things being equal, the simplest solution is the best solution. In this case, that means making Jay originate in the past and travel forward in time to the future.

          • Gail says:

            On the TV show they said that Meta Humans did not exist prior to the particle accelerator explosion that gave Barry his powers. They probably decided to go with Earth 2 so there would be a reason for people with super powers other than the particle accelerator. If Jay was from the past, where would his powers have come from? Hard water?

          • Doug Jones’ character changed that. He was a metahuman that predated the incident that gave Barry and all the others their powers. What that tells us is that some other incident SIMILAR to this one took place long ago (how long ago we don’t know). Could be that Jay gained his powers from the same source that gave Jones’ character his abilities.

          • Gail says:

            If they bring Wally West on the show, will they make him Kid Flash? Perhaps he will also be from Earth 2. If so he could still be Iris’s nephew on that world. Or if from Barry’s Earth he could be her cousin or from the future. Again if he is a Flash, they have to explain how he became a Flash.

          • They have said that Wally will show up. He is most likely to be Iris’ nephew from present-day Central City. What I want to see is the reveal that Iris hails from the future, from the 31st Century. That could be a cool season two cliffhanger.

      • Gail says:

        I hope they are not bringing Jay Garrick to be Barry’s third father. Does he really need a third older male to teach him how to be the best Flash he could be?

  9. Joey Padron says:

    good scoop about season 2 from their panel. exciting Zoom will be on show as well as Wally West!

  10. Ian Barber says:

    I’m so excited to see what season 2 will bring! I agree that they should just have Barry & Iris be together. The love triangle stuff gets so old!

  11. Drew says:

    I’m worried that Zoom is too much like Reverse Flash. It could get repetitive very easily. At some point, they will need to find a way to challenge Barry without using a speedster.

  12. Gail says:

    What is the difference between Zoom and the Reverse Flash? I thought Zoom was the Reverse Flash in the comics.