Marvel's Iron Fist

Iron Fist Poll: Was Critical Clobbering Warranted?

All 13 episodes of Marvel’s Iron Fist hit Netflix early Friday morning — but if you’ve kept an eye on early reviews, you already know the comic-book drama isn’t exactly packing a punch.

Rather, it’s become a punching bag for TV critics everywhere.

Currently sitting at 19 percent on Rotten Tomatoes’ Tomatometer, Netflix’s latest Marvel series has been described as “rote and uninspired,” “a paint-by-numbers project” and “shockingly underwhelming.” That’s tough criticism by any standard, but it’s especially disappointing on the heels of three consecutive Marvel wins for the streaming service: Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

Now that you’ve had a chance to watch (at least) one episode of the series, we have to ask: Do you think the series deserves the punishing reviews its getting?

In the series premiere, we meet Danny Rand (Game of Thrones‘ Finn Jones), who returns to New York City more than a decade after a plane crash killed his parents and, presumably, him. Upon visiting Rand Enterprises, the company that his family owned, Danny discovers the firm is now run by his childhood friends Joy (Jessica Stroup, 90210) and Ward Meachum (Tom Pelphrey, Banshee).

Marvel's Iron FistSuffice it to say, Joy and Ward are not just unhappy when Danny bursts into their office, asking to speak to their now-deceased father; they’re wholly skeptical, refusing to believe that this Danny is actually the one they used to hang out with as children.

And herein lies a key issue with Iron Fist‘s debut, which hasn’t gone unnoticed in reviews: In the span of an hour, nothing really… happens.

Yes, we get to know Danny, and we catch a few glimpses of the superhuman martial arts skills that he acquired post-plane crash. (And yet, compared to the electrifying fight scenes in Daredevil, or even Jessica Jones‘ physical badassery, Iron Fist‘s fight sequences feel strangely muted, considering that punching people is kinda his thing.)

Also revealed in Episode 1: (a) Joy and Ward’s manipulative father, Howard, is actually alive, and he’s unsure how to handle Danny’s sudden “resurrection”; (b) Danny can speak Mandarin and, as he informs acquaintance Big Al, he’s returned to New York seeking to “protect K’un-Lun from all oppression” and “honor the sacrifice of Shou-Lao the Undying”; and (c) Colleen Wing (Jessica Henwick, Game of Thrones), the dojo-running martial arts expert that Danny encounters in the park, is by far the most compelling character.

Ultimately, Iron Fist‘s first installment rolls the closing credits before we can ever become particularly invested in Danny’s life. Where his story should be enigmatic, it feels uncompelling. And while Netflix has occasionally struggled with the pacing of its Marvel series, the especially slow burn of Iron Fist‘s premiere hurts the series more than it helps.

But that’s just our take. Do you agree with Iron Fist‘s negative reviews — or do the critics have it wrong? Grade the series premiere in our poll below, then hit the comments to back up your choice.

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  1. jph_gsg says:

    Maybe I’m just backwards since I found Daredevil to be too slow to watch (maybe it picked up after I gave up), but I’m enjoying Iron Fist. Only on the second episode so far, but it’s holding my attention enough to keep me from getting any work done this morning.

    • John says:

      Omg daredevil was soooooooo boring!! I got through the first season somehow but I can’t bring myself to start the second. L

      Luke Cage pretty decent but Jessica Jones was phenomenal!

    • bluepasj says:

      Daredevil is much much better in the second season. Season 1 of DD was indeed very slow. Daredevil Season 2 and Jessica Jones, though, are awesome. Didn’t watch Luke Cage to opine.

      • Tim says:

        I agree! Gave up on Daredevil after episode 3. Luke Cage was very hard to get through. Jessica Jones was great the entire way through.

    • H.H. says:

      You might want to give it another shot. The first season isn’t as good, but it’s worth it to get through to see the second season which is tremendously improved.

    • Superwoman says:

      I thought I was the only one who could not stomach DD, it was a snoozefest for me. I had to consciously tell myself to stay awake and keep concentrating..and after a few episodes I stopped torturing myself.
      Iron Fist on the other hand is quite enjoyable, the characters kept me tuned in. This is far from being the worst comic book show. I am looking forward to watching the rest of the episodes. Critics can be such snobs…No one should ever pay attention to their reviews…People should just watch what they want. Even here on TVL, almost every new series that has been panned, I have gone out and watched and thoroughly enjoyed e.g American Housewife, Life in pieces.

      • Michelle says:

        People who found IF more enjoyable than DD are people who don’t know good television

      • Laura says:

        I didnt enjoy DD until they started exploring the villains story. Much the same for luke cage. Much more compelling stories than the heroes in so many ways.

        JJ was great start to finish

      • bluepasj says:

        I am watching the first Iron Fist episode now and seriously it’s so much better than the first episode of DD it’s not even a contest. I guess people are biased because DD is one of Marvel’s most interesting characters, a blind lawyer ninja. I didn’t know much about Iron Fist before but he’s a very engaging character in this first episode, there’s enough action (as much as any other Marvel show) and I thought it much more different from Daredevil than both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, with its bright atmosphere, eastern influences front and center and they even managed to make Danny’s martial skills different, visually appealing and interesting. From the pilot alone, for me it’s a win.

    • George Garret says:

      I’m liking it too!!

    • Brodie Marschall says:

      Yeah, The shows deserves better than all this hate. We’ve got to challenge the critics to delete all the negative reviews and force the professionals to review all 13 episodes more positively so this show can get critical acclaim.

  2. fatalsin says:

    Iron Fist is pretty darn good… I was a tiny bit annoyed he didn’t show us the iron fist till almost a full 2 episodes in.. but just a minor annoyance.. Overall i’m hooked! I like it better than Luke Cage so far.. not as good as Jessica Jones or Daredevil YET anyhow.. only on the 4th episode

  3. Ironfist may well be trash but having critics mercilessly trash DC movies I’m less inclined to listen to anything they say.

    I’ll watch it regardless, but in all honesty I’ve been disappointed by both Jessica Jones and Luke cage with their lack of decent action sequences. If superhero martial artist doesn’t have any decent actions scenes then what hope is there?

    If it’s terrible I’ll be wondering why they just didn’t adapt The Immortal Iron Fist comic book which was perfect and would have been an amazing tv show.

    • From a LONGTIME DC Comics collectors (former, I gave the New 52 2 years and dropped it and am so very glad I did – It’s CRAP), the reason the WB’s DC movies are being “mercilessly” trashed is because they ARE trash. The WB does NOT understand the characters they own AT ALL. Some say the TV shows aren’t bad but even those do not resemble the beast traits of these characters. It’s a shame. They are LEGENDS and they are being made to look stupid. I mean, SPOILER HERE, they actually kill Superman and they even do THAT terribly. The best Superman story they could have told was a 3-4 movie series starting with Superman: The Coming of Doomsday. Part II: Death of Superman, Part III Funeral for a Friend, Part 4: The Return. It would have KILLED at the box office.

      • Haz says:

        So do you consider Nolans Dark Knight trilogy trash? What about Burtons take on Batman? I will agree WB take can be hit or miss but the critics do go overboard. Vanity Fair said Suicide Squad was sexist! The critics seem to ignore the flaws in Marvels films. I tried watching Daredevil and found it boring and Avengers: Age of Ultron was not that great. I do think WB needs to get rid of Zack Snyder but they went overboard in their dislike for Suicide Squad…it was flawed but not nearly as bad as it’s made out to be.

        • Temperance says:

          People really vaunt the rather mediocre Nolan Batmans… I don’t get why. Bale’s Batman was tepid and uninteresting, and the plot was still silly. Despite Leger’s fascinating take on Joker, that movie was structurally a disaster… people started to get up to leave three times in the showing attended because there were three endings. It’s not trash, but not even remotely close to say Superman (1978). They’ve really missed entirely with the other DC properties.

        • Seth says:

          Yeah it was so bad it got best movie of 2016, such a bad movie Ik lol smh

      • Seth says:

        Ok but they can’t adapt that into the movies because of the ground work they’ve already laid out that’s what critics and apparently you don’t seem to get. I am a huge comic fan as well and there’s been nothing wrong with the recent movies or tv shows they’ve been personalizing them kinda like the writers do when a series gets handed to a new writer it’s been happening since the beginning and will continue to happen because writers like to create there own ideas and story’s and the reason the movies and tv are so different from the comics is because they are there own separate adaption. If your having a problem with the story’s then that’s your personal preferences ruining it not the writers or the stories themselves. Oh and spoiler superman isn’t dead they made that very clear when they showed his grave, duh I mean come on if your a true comic book fan even you’d know that I’m pretty sure you even said about The Return which is what they were making s reference to with that scene

    • bluepasj says:

      Yeah, I found it utterlyabsurd and nonsensical that BvS ‘won’ so many Razzies. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
      But since the same critics think Jessica Jones and Daredevil were good and they were right, I see no reason for them to be wrong now about the same type of thing.

    • H.H. says:

      First, critics only saw the first 6 episodes. But it’s worth it to keep in mind that this is a Netflix property so you can’t really judge a Netflix show episode by episode, but you have to take each season as a whole. I’ve seen some Netflix shows that take quite some time their first season to establish the world their working in where the action doesn’t really pick up until episode 9, but once you get there the payout at the tail end of the season is worth the time and subsequent seasons will be better for establishing a strong foundation to build upon.

  4. Mike says:

    Jeez, I thought it was pretty good.

  5. SG says:

    Gotta treat this like a long movie. Then it’s great.

  6. kate says:

    I haven’t watched yet (as much as reviews tried not to spoil, they did, but then, also, I have watched the DC universe and if I had to compare, actually, my impression going in is if Kara were Danny and, that, well, she was orphaned at a similar age, grew up around strangers who made her their family, and discovered powers she didn’t have at home, but, she doesn’t let her past weigh her down – even if she forgets it sometimes and can be unnecessarily judgmental to certain people) but I’ve had tempered expectations. Heck, the fact that I think the initial plan of establishing the Defenders was to introduce Danny in the course of Luke Cage and not necessarily have his own show because there isn’t much mystery to him what happened to him. I mean, we know what happened to Matt, Jessica and Luke, but Jessica or more specifically Trish, has information that might provide answers to Matt and Luke and while Matt and Jessica will butt heads, they literally had the same thing happen to them both, which might be the core bonding that keeps them from killing each other.

  7. Tom says:

    Watched the first two last night. Wanted to keep going but I work on Fridays. I found Finn’s performance to be on par with Marvel TV. The story is very similar to Batman/Green Arrow, but I think it does a good enough job of it.

    I like him in the role, I like Jessica Henwick as Colleen. They seem very good together. It’s a slow start, but EVERY MARVEL SHOW is a slow start. I don’t get that criticism as I don’t remember seeing it leveled at Luke Cage, which was slow and then very very very slow and then ended decent. For Jessica Jones, which for me was slow through the whole thing.

    But slow isn’t necessarily bad. Not every show needs to be a full on action movie.

    Having watched some of it, and read the reviews, I believe the reason it is poorly reviewed is racism. The media are reviewing it badly because the main character is not the race they wanted. Which they bring up almost immediately in most reviews, and hammer down the point. Their progressive ideology predestined them to hate the show because it has a white male lead, just like it predestined them to love Luke Cage and Jessica Jones because they do not.

    When in reality all 3 of these shows have about the same level of acting, action, and drama. If you can’t enjoy a show because of the race and gender of its lead, you need to seriously examine your bigotry, because that is screwed up.

    • Anne says:

      But if you can’t see why people would want stories on tv about people who look like them, then you need to examine your perspective as well.
      We’ve seen this story over and over and over again. Both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were different in that sense. They were new and fresh and reflected a lived experience that is very rarely seen on screen, let alone in a protagonist set up.
      It’s okay for people to not want to see another story about a white man be special. That’s literally the history of cinema. It’s like eating the same food everyday; doesn’t mean it’s bad, you just want something different after a while.

      • Gern Blanston says:

        I think that most people understand the complaint, but they then ask themselves what would have happened if an Asian was cast as the main character. Do they make the white savior story or the all Asians know martial arts story? No matter what was done a group of people was going to be upset. So, either they don’t touch this story at all or they pick a group of people to upset and steer into the skid.

        • Michelle says:

          They probably would have liked the series a little better. No a lot better because Finn as Danny is a snoozefest

      • Tom says:

        Oh I see why people want stories on TV about people who look like them, its an inability to see beyond race and gender and connect with a character on a human level. Its a ingrained bias, a bigotry, and they should at least have the decency to try and hide it, instead of putting it right out in the open as you do.

        The only thing truly different about JJ and LC were their gender and race. Super Hero tortured by villain, been there done that. Super Hero saves struggling neighborhood while dealing with his past, been there done that.

        They are telling the same stories, with the same kinds of heroes, you just don’t recognize them as being the same, and the reason why is immaterial to the stories.

      • Tom says:

        Oh and your food analogy is silly. The critics reviewed it poorly based on the characters race and gender. If they did this in food it would be like if they reviewed a new Italian restaurant poorly because there are too many pizza places. Who cares about the quality of the food there or the service, there are too many pizza places, not enough diversity, so they get an 1/5 stars!

    • :-) says:

      This progressive agenda you are afraid of is in your own little head. You should probably diversify you news outlets.

      One thing you didn’t acknowledge in your assessment of of the Netflix / marvel shows is the quality of the acting. As you watch LC you see people with extensive TV and movie credits. Most of the central characters are Oscar, BAFTA, SAG, golden globe and Emmy nominees (or will soon be Ron c. Jones ). Many of them have even won a few of those awards. The cast of JJ. Has some awards under their belt also. Some rather serious movie credits also. Game of thrones is the most acclaimed thing some of the IF cast has done. Nothing against the show but it’s one show.

      Also check the writing credits on the shows. See if the LC and JJ credits don’t appear on some of your other favorite shows.

      There are many reasons people could prefer the other shows. Stop letting your racial biases cause you to miss the bigger picture.

      Last but not least the people saying look at Netflix / marvel shows as a long movie are right. I don’t mind them taking time to build for a nice payoff

  8. Anne says:

    Both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage offered something completely new to the superhero tv landscape and they raised the stakes. Offering mediocre stuff after we know they can do awesome things just isn’t going to fly.
    Marvel needs to continue their Netflix trend of telling different stories about different kinds of heroes.

  9. peterwdawson says:

    Something’s definitely off. I dunno if they quite got the presentation and pacing right. I mean it’s still, by typical standards, fine, but given how solid the other three Marvel shows were, especially right out of the gate, Iron Fist has left a bit to be desired. Still, only one episode in.

    • Seth says:

      It’s had more fight scenes in the first ep then the other 3 did in 6 eps!?!?!

      • peterwdawson says:

        That’s definitely a thing, though another glaring one is they present characters with information but then they fail to share all the information to people when it would be useful. There were a few examples though off the top of my head Danny flashed back to the Monopoly game but never mentioned it to the Beachams (and it would have been another solid sign he is who he says he is) and Danny finds out the security guys were, no shock, send by Ward, but doesn’t say that Shannon flat out admitted that to Joy.

  10. Jobless says:

    This is probably just superhero fatigue setting in a bit. From what I’ve seen this isn’t substantially worse than Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.

  11. MichaMainz says:

    It’s Misty Knight the Iron Fist’s girlfriend and not Colleen Wing?

  12. Larry says:

    I think the criticism leveled against Iron Fist is way overblown. I agree that its slow but so has EVERY Netflix Marvel show. It’s not as edgy as Jessica Jones or Daredevil but it isn’t terrible because of it. The only complaint I would have is that it feels like broadcast -not Netflix. But is that really the problem?

    I’m firmly under the belief that the main criticism critics have is they wanted a more progressive diverse lead from the start. If the lead was Asian, I have to question if critics would had been more forgiving of the show. The reason I say that is ‘Luke Cage’ was critically acclaimed by these same folks yet that series as a whole was extremely uneven in its pacing. It took me 2 months to finally finish LC due to the meandering and uneventful plot in the final six episodes. I did not care what was happening with the characters midway through. I was really looking forward to Luke Cage and was disappointed greatly by the series. It was not as good as Daredevil or Jessica Jones -yet achieved high acclaim. So what makes that show immune to critical lambasting that Iron Fist is now getting.

    I believe critics went into Iron Fist -fully prepared to hate the show -unless it delivered beyond expectations, due to the casting controversy. Even now, you can go on twitter and find critics taking particular joy in tearing the show apart. I don’t usually buy into ‘elitist’ attitudes but in this case because of the controversies leading into it, Iron Fist had to be better than just good.

    • Seth says:

      I agree. for me it was Jessica jones tho that show was too slow for me I felt like it didnt build up momentum or excitement fast enough it took me forever to watch the last 4 eps. Your right tho if the other ones can get critical acclaim then there has to be a deeper reason why they ripped on it so hard and I’m of the belief it is because it didn’t have what they thought should be and that it wasn’t diverse enough

    • GrumpyMittens says:

      I totally agree with you here – it does feel like critics are trashing Iron Fist because there’s no threat of someone calling them racist when they do so. If we had another lead character of colour, like in Luke Cage, it would be all “how awesome” and “inclusive shows are so important” all over again.
      I fully support the need to be inclusive but not when it’s means to make sure reviewers won’t have the guts to criticize the show.

  13. mike says:

    First EP wasn’t awful. About what you’d expect for the first one. However, the “i just want to talk” schtick got real old real fast. Take the hint already.

    I’ll watch the rest this weekend maybe unless it gets bad. I had to stop watching Luke about halfway in for several weeks because it was just god awful slow and boring until like the last two eps.

  14. Jared says:

    Although I’m not a huge Marvel fan, I have read the reviews and was hesitant to watch at first but I thought Iron Fist started out pretty strong. Not sure why it’s getting so much hate considering it seems to be on par with other Netflix/Marvel series. At the very least Finn Jones has me interested enough to see what happens to Danny in the rest of the episodes.

    • H.H. says:

      Again, keep in mind that critics only saw the first 6 episodes. This is a Netflix series, not a broadcast or cable show where you only get one serving a week. They design their shows to be binged and taken in as a whole season. I’ve seen some Netflix shows that take quite some time their first season to establish the world their working in where the action doesn’t really pick up until episode 9, but once you get there the payout at the tail end of the season is worth the time and subsequent seasons will be better for establishing a strong foundation to build upon. That’s not something critics will be able to make a determination about just based on the first six episodes.

  15. Temperance says:

    I watched most of the first episode, and it was odd. The main character was stunningly clueless and strange in a childlike way. I couldn’t tell if it was bad acting or bad writing. Seriously, a billioniare’s kid goes back to NYC after more than a decade away, and no one attempts to get the guy proper paperwork. Maybe I missed the part in the beginning (I was mostly distracted), but how did he get to NYC without a passport? And no clothing? And no cash?

  16. Seth says:

    Yes I severely think this show has been unjustly ravaged by tv critics. I’m not getting what there deal is like are they blind deaf of dumb or all three? Seriously even you guys are saying how it’s uncompelling and hard to get invested. How so? I’m on ep 4 and I am quite enjoying it. Sure it doesn’t have the most in depth story but it is a superhero tv show don’t go in expecting some ground breaking acting and drama or whatever it’s just gonna be typical story and a bunch of fight scenes beyond that everything else is a bonus.
    I personally don’t see how you guys see it as a shallow story I mean he comes back after 15 years and is trying to reclaim his place back in New York but is being stopped by ppl he use to call family then he has to figure out why and finds out it’s because of the hand who he’s been training to fight for 15years and he finds that hard to be coincidence. And then about ep 5-6 things start kicking off and the main bad guy is revealed. It’s literally the same formula of all the other shows and a lot of other shows you ppl watch without critizing so badly. Then also there’s the fighting ppl are ripping on and again I don’t see why all kung fu looks cheesy but compared to other show fight scenes that don’t use martial arts this isn’t nearly as bad, deff not as bad as critics were saying. Leading me to my last thing I think Finn Jones plays a good iron fist and critics saying they should recast or have the show focus more on Jessica Henwick is just absurd. I mean I don’t have anything against her but her performance in the first 5 eps is far from stellar and I thought hers was the worst out of everyone’s so far and all these critics were saying it was the best performance of the 6 review episodes.

    So I really don’t get why it got ravaged so hard by critics because everything they’ve said was wrong or just very highly opinionated

  17. GrumpyMittens says:

    I’m giving it a solid C+: it’s not very good but it’s much more enjoyable than Luke Cage and that 19% on RT is a mystery to me. Sure, it’s not an action-packed blockbusters but which Marvel/Netflix show was?

  18. Sarah D says:

    Well I for one enjoyed Iron Fist much more than Daredevil. I guess to each his own.

  19. H.H. says:

    You can’t judge a Netflix show by its first episode the way you would a regular tv show. They aren’t designed to air once a week, to be taken in one bit at a time and digested. They are designed for seasons to be full and complete stories that can be taken in in large chunks or all at once. Get back to us when you’ve got a review of the season as a whole.

  20. D says:

    The reason it’s getting such negative reviews is because the PC/Diversity police are upset that they didn’t race change the character even though that would fundamentally change the character and his story. I’m all for added Diversity but there are plenty of characters that they could use that already exist

    • ScottJ says:

      The whole point of the Iron Fist character is that of a “stranger in a strange land”. Danny doesn’t fit in K’un-Lun, but when he returns to his “real” world he doesn’t fit in there either. If the character was Asian then he does fit in K’un-Lun, and when he doesn’t fit in New York it would come across as racist.

  21. surley says:

    Okay I’m not a big fan of Marvelflix in general.
    Daredevil was rather decent but The Punisher ruined everything, Jessica Jones was good but mostly boring and there were some poorly directed episodes, Luke Cage was okay and watchable for the most part. And then there’s The Boy with Iron Fist.
    I barely made it through Iron Fist’s first episode and now I’m not even sure I want to watch The Defenders what if they’re just as uninteresting?

  22. Al says:

    I just watched the first 4 and found it so boring, even more so than the first season of Daredevil.

  23. Everybody is talking about the whitewashing not just because it is whitewashed, but because in doing so they messed up the entire premise.

    Danny can’t talk about “eastern” mysticism without sounding like a d-bag. He isn’t very good at martial arts on screen. They barely distinguish different schools. He IS a white guy playing a stereotypical generically Asian martial arts master character, and that is wholly uncompelling in today’s world. Where Jessica Jones and Luke Cage had their own particular style and flair, they’ve substituted don’t look too close rich privileged “whiteness” in place of what the story is requiring. They either needed to change the story or Danny, but instead they didn’t modernize it and it came off with no point of view or statement and no style or action or characterization to make up for it.

  24. Michelle says:

    Whoevee cast Finn Jones should be fired.

    Besides the white Savior trope which is an eyeroll, Finn Jones is just not a strong lead. I am on episode 8 and this is just the worst of the four. Colleen and Claire are awesome as well as the cameos from other characters in other series but as a whole, most of the cast isn’t really that great and frankly, I hope whoever cast most the actors for this series doesn’t have a job anymore.

    Is that harsh? It’s meant to be. Daredevil, Luke Cage and Jesica Jones worked ( people who say Luke Cage was boring likely didn’t bother past episode 3) because they had strong leads, with strong supporting characters and villains. Iron Fist just does not. They have Gao but Ward and Joy? Meh.

    I can’t believe I am rooting for the bad guys to win as well as Iron Fist barely in the Defenders series…

  25. Rose says:

    I watched the first episode and I liked it a lot and will continue! I didn’t find it slow at all! Luke Cage was way slower, I watched the whole season and I enjoyed it but I know people who gave up on LC after the first episode because of how slow it was!

  26. Rose says:

    Nothing happened!?
    He met Ward and Joy twice, made a new friend, tried to get a job, got chased by men with guns, showed great fighting skills. had some flashbacks, got drugged, is now captive… you call that nothing?!

  27. Laura says:

    Its just hard to buy in to. At no point does danny try and prove to ward and joy that he is who he says he is until things have escalated. Why not share those private memories earlier? Danny lacks charisma but unaure if its the writing of the character or the acting.

    Colleen is pretty cool but she looks to be in her very early twenties and owns a dojo? Or is she meant to merely be a manager? Also seems unbelievable.

    The pace was so slow. I watched 2 eps. Or rather barely watched them because i kept doing other things because i was bored.

    Will try more but not holding out for much improvement.

    Theres no sassy characters in this show. Colleen isnt even really sassy. No comic characters either yet. Nothing to alleviate from the slow moving plot. I am sure that pilot ep could have been achieved in half the run time easily.

  28. TVg says:

    all of netflix marvel universe are too much darken , most filming at night , 90% of every episode talking talking and nothing happens , i quit netflix

  29. Surly Mermaid says:

    Just finished episode 2 and enjoying it so far. The pacing is odd but not completely off putting. I am hoping it builds to something. Jessica Jones was the best, followed by Luke Cage and Daredevil tie.

    • Marijan s says:

      I will watch episode 6 right now i hope the fight scenes will be better from now on but i don’t have high hopes about the fight scenes

  30. To me the best of all the series is Jessica Jones! The only reason Daredevil was any good last season, was because of The Punisher! I liked Luke Cage when he was in Jessica Jones, but the show itself not so much! And I frankly hate that because of all these new shows, like Cage, this one, and The Punisher, Netflix and Marvel are making us wait for a 2nd season of Jessica Jones! Even though they somehow had no problem with pumping out another season of Daredevil, the most boring of the two! I have to guess that it’s because Jessica Jones is about a female superhero and not a male! Because otherwise, why keep pushing it aside for all these new male lead superhero shows?

  31. Christopher Clark says:

    I think this may be my favorite Marvel Netflix series. I may still like daredevil season 2 better, but not by a lot. It’s fantastic and I haven’t been bored once.

  32. I didn’t find Iron Fist as bad as the critics are making it out to be…yeah, the premiere is quite a SLOW burn, but I’m on episode 5 and I’m curious to see where these characters go…and there’s one pretty cool fight scene in episode 4!

  33. Pablo says:

    i am in chapter and i quite like it. It is funny, the carhacter i dont like is the asian pal…i dont know what is her purpose in the show…

  34. IDK says:

    The writing is terrible. Whoever let that placeholder dialogue stay in the final script should be fired immediately. All the characters have a major dose of stupid. The sets are ropey. Danny looks like he’s never even heard of martial arts, let alone become the living embodiment of a mystical weapon through 15 years of personal sacrifice, conflict, and brutal beatings.

    The problems with this show are pulled into focus when you consider how little time they actually spent making it. Finn Jones spent all of three weeks training for the role, and was learning his choreography as soon as FIFTEEN MINUTES before shooting the scene. That is absolutely ridiculous.

    The other problem here is the showrunner, Scott Buck. People may remember his work from season 6, 7 and 8 of Dexter. Yes, this is the guy responsible for the lumberjack. And the incest. And the mercy killing. Etc etc etc. They would have been far better to delay production, or just cancel it altogether.

  35. lordofluck says:

    I found this much better than Luke Cage it did have its problems but overall I enjoyed it.

  36. Luli says:

    I liked this one more than Luke Cage (which i quit after a couple of eps), but i feel like those two are not at the level of JJ and DD2…. I just want to get JJ2 and Defenders….

  37. Marijan s says:

    it was interesting show but the fight scenes were really bad

  38. Pete says:

    I’m through episode seven right now and really digging it. Is it perfect? Of course not. But it’s definitely enjoyable and has me curious about where things are going.

    All of the negative criticism has me thinking about TV critics these days, how so many of them are just self-important types who think their opinion is more valid than others and can write well enough to trick somebody into paying them for their opinions. When that happens, the reviews become less about the show than the reviewer themselves, so naturally they’re going to fall over themselves to prove how enlightened and inclusive they are by dogging on a show that dared to cast a white actor as a white character. It’s all about them making themselves look good.

    Also, these are people who watch so much TV that they’re just numb to anything that isn’t completely revolutionary. It’s like someone who’s had so much sex that, no matter how good “normal” sex may be, it does nothing for them. They need to have people watch or genitalia attached to car batteries or cigarettes crushed out on them to feel anything at all. And it’s that numbing from watching too much television that prevents a lot of shows that aren’t necessarily breaking new ground but are still decent from being recognized.

  39. Rob TO says:

    Am I the only one that doesn’t like Colleen Wing (at least so far). She comes off to me as stupid and a “badass” for the sake of being a badass. That scene where she had her students attack her on the streets as a “test” was really dumb. What was she trying to teach them? Am I supposed to like her because she’s a cage fighter? So far she is the least interesting to me out of the main cast and I don’t care about her storylines because I just want to get back to the main story.

  40. Meh says:

    I really enjoyed the other 3 shows, but this one is a real letdown. The main character is completely unlikeable. He’s obnoxious, annoying, arrogant, and poorly acted (there is a reason Loras Tyrelle wasn’t given much to do: they wanted to say within the actors limits). The character insists on calling himself “Danny” and talking about crap like warrior monks and how important and magical he is, and it’s impossible to take him seriously in any way. Every time he says the words “Crane Mother” or “The undying” I keep hoping they will toss him back in the mental hospital (I liked that part better anyway). The only character I’m really enjoying is the (sort of) villain of the piece, Harold (David Wenham is always fantastic, and the only actor in this whole thing they wouldn’t be better off replacing). Most of the characters are very one dimensional. Cristine “all I wan’t to do is punch somebody” Wing, Ward “all I want is more money and my dad’s approval” Meachum. Joy is at least almost likable, and Rosario Dawson gets to spread her wings a bit more. She’s a very needed addition to this show. I’m only half way through, and I’ll probably finish it simply because I want to know what happens for when Defenders comes out. I had very little expectations about this show going in (I know practically nothing about it), and it sure as heck didn’t exceed them. If they have to pick between keeping this or Punisher at some time in the future, drop this show like an annoying sales call and give us Frank Castle instead.

  41. Justsomeguy says:

    Sure the story took a while to get going, but the story was good and the acting better than average. The only problem I have is with Marvel’s aversion to having the hero dispatch the “bad guy”, having someone else doing the necessary elimination for them. Sometimes evil just needs to be dealt with permanently.
    PS… I binged the whole season in one night.

  42. Cate says:

    I’ve got a couple of Iron Fist episodes to go and after the criticisms my expectations were low. I actually quite enjoyed the first few episodes, but as with most of the Marvel Netflix shows, it definitely runs out of steam and the lack half is pretty dull and repetitive. Finn Jones doesn’t have Mike Colter or Kristen Ritter’s charisma.

    Jessica Jones is by far my favourite, with first 7 eps of Luke Cage next (back half of that series Was a huge dip in quality. Daredevil S1 comes next with S2 and Luke Cage pt 2. Iron Fist has been the least compelling with characters I don’t care about, not great fights and a storyline that is muddled,
    Compare the baddies – Kilgrave and Wilson Fisk are standouts, Mahershala Ali and Alfre Woodard were great on Luke Cage whereas on Iron Fist we have David Wenham being dastardly and assorted bosses of the Hand who make little impression.

    Still, at least we have Sigourney Weaver in the Defenders to look forward to.

  43. Csr says:

    The Meachum family dialog is surprisingly weak, and the inconsistencies in their behavior add to the oddness. It’s very uneven.

  44. TV critics just aren’t able to keep up with the streaming model. Their focus is too narrow and based on a single episode at a time. For network TV, their words can be an influencer and early reviews can make or break a show. Unfotunately for them, the streaming services deliver everything at once. Critics don’t review the season and don’t understand the Marvel/Netflix model that delivers a story over the course of several episodes.

    Having said that, I did find the first couple of episodes intriguing if not a little bland. By the time I got past the first episodes, I found the story to be even more complicated and rewarding. Having just finished episode 6 (the most entertaining to watch thus far), I found the fight scenes to be on par with that of Daredevil. The characters are more and more complex. I’m looking forward to seeing what the rest of the season has in store.

  45. So Happy says:

    I agree with some of the other people here in the comments section. Dare Devil began really slowly too. To me, that’s part for course in an origin 1st season.
    I am also enjoying Iron Fist very much. I am halfway through and will be sad for it to end.

  46. James says:

    Who’s Howard?

  47. Kim says:

    I loved it! You can’t judge a series by a few episodes. I really enjoyed it and think They did a good job picking the cast. Finn Jones does a great job of portraying someone that has suffered a traumatic experience as a child. If he came back right away ass a “bad a$$” it just wouldn’t make sense. The story has to develop. I watched all of Season 1 and am looking forward to Season 2 as well as “The Defenders”. When it’s all said and done, what really matters is what the fans think…not the critics.