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Supernatural EP Previews Complicated Winchester Family Reunion, 'Very Driven' Cas and More in Season 12

If Dean and Sam’s newly resurrected mother Mary needs a moment to adjust to her surroundings when Supernatural returns for Season 12 this Thursday (The CW, 9/8c), you’ll have to forgive her. After being dead for 33 years, she is entering a world in which her sons are hunters who use strange phones and work with angels. Plus, her boys and late husband John are Men of Letters legacies, a discovery Mary will soon make.

TVLine spoke with executive producer Andrew Dabb about Mama Winchester’s homecoming, Dean and Sam’s two-front war, Castiel’s new ‘tude and more.

TVLINE | How do Dean and Sam each feel about Mary’s return? 
They’re happy and conflicted. It’s like a miracle. But the Mary who’s coming back is someone who had walked away from hunting but now walks in a world where her sons are hunters. That’s the last thing she ever wanted. She’s been in Heaven for [33] years. That’s obviously changed her. So Sam and Dean are happy to have her back, but they’re worried [about] how she’ll adjust [to] not only the modern world and technology and that kind of stuff but [also] to them and their lives, and [wondering] if she will be what they have become.

Supernatural SpoilersTVLINE | Back when Mary was a hunter, there were no Men of Letters or angels, as far as she knew. How will she react to those two things?
Especially when it comes to angels, it’s shock. Mary was very much like our standard hunters. Sam and Dean ended up playing in a little bit of an elevated playing field [with] demons and angels and God. Your normal hunter’s not really dealing with that. They’re dealing with vampires and werewolves and more terrestrial threats, you could say. So that’s really where Mary comes from. She’s never met an angel before until she meets Castiel. That’s an adjustment for her.

In terms of the Men of Letters, she heard vague stories. They had been gone [for several decades]. Even when the Men of Letters were around, they weren’t really that engaged with the American hunter community. They kept a little separate. So to find out they’re real, to find out John has a history with them, to walk into the bunker and see this cache of things she never knew existed, it is a shock to her. It’s about fifth on the list, because there are so many shocking things. But it’s definitely something she has to grapple with.

Supernatural SpoilersTVLINE | Is the Men of Letters’ British chapter the biggest threat to Dean and Sam in Season 12?
They’re a threat. Lady Toni Bevell has got it in for our boys. But Lucifer is still out there, and whenever Lucifer’s on the playing field, it’s hard to think anybody is going to top him. Going into this season, it’s a dual-pronged approach. [Dean and Sam are] pulled in two different directions.

TVLINE | Coming off a season where you have a Big Bad as grand as The Darkness and God as a character, is the idea to introduce not necessarily smaller but more down-to-Earth villains and threats for the Winchesters?
I think so. For us, it’s a chance to explore… the world of hunting and the world of the Men of Letters, [which is] something we’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of. It’s really fun for us, and it’s a way to deepen that. There are other people in the British Men of Letters who want to take a different approach [with the Winchesters]. So I don’t want to say from the jump that the British Men of Letters are all bad, because, as we’ll learn, sometimes Sam and Dean will be working with them, sometimes they’ll be working against them.

Supernatural SpoilersTVLINE | What does Lucifer get up to with his rock-star vessel?
At first, he’s bouncing from vessel to vessel. He’s wounded in the final fight with Amara. When he finally finds someplace to stop, he looks around, and he’s like, “God’s gone. I have a free playing field here. I could go take over Heaven or Hell, but is that what I really want?” What he discovers is that, in some ways, God had the right idea — worship is fun. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of baggage with the name Lucifer. So for him, popping into someone like the rock star Vince Vincente allows him experience that almost God-like worship in another body.

TVLINE | What is Cas’ attitude in the new season? At Comic-Con, Misha Collins compared him to the Cas of Season 4, who was a pretty different guy.
Early on, Cas is very driven to find Sam. We’ll see him take some action we haven’t seen in a while. This season, we wanted to tell some stories that were a little bit more personal with Castiel, both in terms of his relationship with Sam and Dean and digging into his past a little bit. He and Mary have a connection. It’s not a romantic connection, but they have a lot in common. They’re both kind of strangers in a strange land, in a way, especially early on.

For Cas, we wanted to focus him down a little bit more. He’s driven to find Lucifer. He feels responsible for Lucifer getting out of the cage, although pretty much everyone else on our show feels responsible for that, too. Obviously, as threats to Sam and Dean come up, he will be there to stand by our boys’ side.

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20 Comments
  1. maermae says:

    “He [Cas] feels responsible for Lucifer getting out of the cage, although pretty much everyone else on our show feels responsible for that, too.”

    ….as he should. Cas ALONE was the one who let Lucifer out of the Cage.

    That is not on Sam or Dean this time. Sam jumped in the cage with Lucifer to save the world & thus spent hundreds of years in the cage being tortured by Lucifer…Cas made the stupid decision to let Lucifer out – completing nullifying Sam’s (& Dean’s) sacrifice in Season 5.

    Cas’ mistakes so often get white-washed it’s ridiculous. I like the Cas character & I think his flaws & missteps are what makes him so relatable/loved…but for him to not 100% completely shoulder the responsibility & guilt for letting Lucifer out is just poor, weak, unacceptable characterization & storytelling.

    I’m still bitter Dean essentially hand-waving the whole in in the Season 11 finale too. You don’t hand wave / say “his heart was in the right place” when you purposefully let the devil out of the cage to run wild & free on Earth.

    Supernatual is recent years is often guilty of failing to follow through with the true gravity of the situations / actions they put their characters in. I feel the show is beginning to lack payoff & this is the perfect example of that.

  2. Alana says:

    Well, Castiel should feel responsible because he IS responsible for letting Lucifer out of the Cage. Sam and Dean shouldn’t because it wasn’t their fault. At all.

    I hope the brothers will continue being an unit despite disagreeing on some things.

    • Russo says:

      Yeah, well – all our guys make bad decisions with the best of intentions, it’s the hallmark of being a Winchester (and after 11.23, everyone should now understand that Cas is part of the family – “you’re our brother, Cas.”) It makes for interesting storytelling, and it gives us wonderful, multi-layered characters who keep things interesting.

      However, remember these are fictional characters – there’s no reason to get butthurt over a character’s actions, it’s all just part of the story. Dean and Sam forgive Cas, so that’s good enough for me. :)

  3. Jay says:

    Are we SURE Lucifer isn’t using Trump as a vessel?

  4. andrew hass says:

    I have a feeling that Sam and Dean will have differing opinions about their mom’s return since they were at different ages when she “died”.Plus i’m wondering if they might become overprotective with her since they just got her back.So they might not want her to go with them on adventures because of the danger or she might become overprotective with them.

  5. ginabean says:

    I LOVE how Cas played Lucifer! I love how it all played out when God and Lucifer had to finally come to terms over the whole ordeal of why he was condemned to Hell~! So as the boys have done before, Cas took on the responsibility of being his vessel. Just as Sam has in the past. I never have any complaints about my show! It NEVER disappoints! BONUS! Lucifer being played by RICK SPRINGFIELD is masterminded and brilliant~!!! RickS has so many fans and his fandom is die-hard like ours.. Looking forward to our 2 worlds colliding.. THANK YOU SUPERNATURAL FOR MAKING EVERY EPISODE, EVERY SEASON UNFORGETTABLE. Devoted fan. #spnfamily

  6. Gina Bean says:

    I LOVE how Cas played Lucifer! I love how it all played out when God and Lucifer had to finally come to terms over the whole ordeal of why he was condemned to Hell~! So as the boys have done before, Cas took on the responsibility of being his vessel. Just as Sam has in the past. I never have any complaints about my show! It NEVER disappoints! BONUS! Lucifer being played by RICK SPRINGFIELD is masterminded and brilliant~!!! RickS has so many fans and his fandom is die-hard like ours.. Looking forward to our 2 worlds colliding.. THANK YOU SUPERNATURAL FOR MAKING EVERY EPISODE, EVERY SEASON UNFORGETTABLE. Devoted fan. #spnfamily

  7. SPN Fan says:

    I hate it when articles get stuff wrong. Mary has not been in Heaven for the last 33 years. Mary was haunting the old Winchester family home in Lawrence, Kansas from 1983 until 2005. Mary’s whereabouts for the past 11 years are questionable. If Castiel can restore Mary’s 1978 memories she will remember meeting two angels (Michael and Anna).

    • Ninamags says:

      Technically, we don’t know where Mary has been. Ash couldn’t find her up in heaven. I saw a clip that shows where Mary says her Dean is 4 years old!!

      It’s going to be interesting for sure. Is it tomorrow yet?

  8. Thanks for the article! Can’t wait for tomorrow’s Season 12 Premier. I’m not sure I’ll be able to breath when Dean first meets Mary.

  9. Carrie says:

    I’m excited about the new season. This has been a very long hiatus. I think Mary will add an interesting dynamic to the show and I can’t wait to see what happens.

  10. Russo says:

    I’m really looking forward to Cas in season 12 – he’s definitely one of the most layered characters and I’ve loved watching him evolve over the years! I’m especially excited to see a more personal side for him.. Dabb really seems to get all our boys so well, and he understands that the characters are what drives the plot. Can’t wait to see what’s next for Dean, Sam, and Cas – they’re the reason I watch the show.

  11. missy says:

    “I told you Angels were watching over you” – Mary Winchester

    I know that Mary doesn’t remember meeting all those Angels, in ‘The Song Remains The Same’
    but she was affected by it. I’d be shocked if she was bothered by their existence

    Gosh, when you list all the things that John and Mary didn’t know about each other, or their own lives, it’s bonkers. John didn’t know Mary was a hunter, John didn’t know his family’s connection with the Men of Letters, Mary didn’t know anything about John, nor does she remember huge chunks of her own past.

  12. So… these guys have a “historian” and “canon-keeper”, but constantly flub their own story canon repeatedly.
    “She’s been in Heaven for [33] years.”
    Um, NO.
    She was stuck in their old house until season 1, and then whereabouts unknown.
    YOU HAVE SUPERWIKI, GUYS, USE IT.

    I do wonder if she will just not remember anything that happened with Michael, or even remember the deal she made w/ Azazel.

    To the commenters who BLAME CAS FOR EVERYTHING:
    Yes, Cas took on Lucifer. Sam did too, once. As a last-ditch effort.
    Cas did this as a last resort, to protect both Sam and Dean. HE REMEMBERS the torture Lucifer put Sam through (because he took it on himself), and didn’t want him to go through that again. Luci was beating the crap out of everyone in that cage, remember?

    Also remember, Sam was the one who released Amara, and guilted everyone else into helping with that. Dean took on the mark in the first place, without considering the consequences.

    At this point, our heroes are more anti-heroes, and that’s why the MoL are after them in the FIRST PLACE this season.

    I’m excited to see the direction this season is heading, and hope that Dabb & the new blood in the writer’s room helps revive SPN from its recycled plots and toxic codependency.

  13. Derek Szwed says:

    i think sam will say yes to lucifer this season

  14. Sarz says:

    I love everything about Cas, I love how he is the conflict in the show XD half the massacre in the show was because of him.. and him still wanting to be alive despite all his mistakes. Really, poor example of an angel but hey, nobody doesn’t like a REBEL!

    GO CASS! MISHA!!!

    The writers are awesum! All interesting parts are with Misha’s character! well done, Misha!

  15. Mary_dies says:

    Mary dies near the end of season 12. There’s no way the writers will keep her alive. Pretty much all the guest stars tend to get killed off.