Arrow Duo Talk Katie Cassidy's Exit ('It Was Like Losing a Limb'), Xover Wishes

Despite having had experience bidding original cast members such as Colin Donnell and Susanna Thompson adieu in seasons past, Arrows Willa Holland says that Katie Cassidy’s shocking end-of-Season 4 exit “felt like losing a limb.”

Holland weighs in on Cassidy’s departure in the first embedded audio clip below, from AudioBoom’s coverage of this weekend’s MCM Comic Con in London, saying, “That was one of the most difficult things that any of us ever had to film,” because whereas Donnell and Thompson were killed off in Seasons 1 and 2, “This was four years in, so we were all so close at this point.”

That said, Holland reminds that The CW’s DCTV universe is forever finding ways to bring back characters — Cassidy already has appeared on The Flash, as Earth-Two’s Black Siren — so, “It’s not like she’s gone.”

Speaking of Earth-Two: In this second clip, both Holland and Katrina Law (who recurs as Nyssa) share their excitement about the coming TV season’s announced four-way crossover involving Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow and CW import Supergirl. “All I’ve got to say is I want to be on Earth-Two,” Holland says, with Law echoing the sentiment. “It seems so much better than regular Earth!”

The actresses proceed to recount how much additional work is required to pull off even a two-show crossover. Law, for example, says that when she has arrived on the Arrow set after the cast and crew have toughed one out, “Everyone is completely shattered, but the honest-to-goodness response from every single one of them is we love doing the crossovers, because the fans apreciate it so much.”

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71 Comments
  1. Roger says:

    So in other words, Willa and Katrina want to be on The Flash, where the writers actually give a frak about the source material and not about shipping crap.

    All you need to do is compare season 2 of the Flash with season 4 of Arrow.

    Flash: Crisis on Infinite Earth’s and two major scenes from Flashpoint.

    Arrow: We’ll throw in Oliver’s turn as an afterthought.

    Flashpoint needs to erase season 4 and bring back KC. Make season 5 about Green Arrow and Black Canary.

    • johnhelvete says:

      Playing the same character for four seasons/23 episodes a season, and than getting a chance to maybe play the doppelganger for one episode on Earth 2 is probably what Holland was talking about. Playing a different character equals fun for most actors especially ones that play the same character for nearly 9 months a year.

  2. Tony says:

    Guggenheim and Mericle are hacks who completely ruined Arrow from what it once was. Killing Laurel was one of the stupidest things they could have done.

    • Jake says:

      agreed…I am not saying it has to mirror comics, but anyone with a clue knows that Black Canary and Green Arrow are a thing…I like Felicity, but enough of the stupid relationship bullcrap.

      • Riley says:

        Laurel was consistently the worst. As bad as Felicity is sometimes, even she has a long way down to go to even risk touching the depths of awfulness that was Dinah Laurel Lance.

        • Kaylie says:

          Which goes to say how poor the writing is, when you had a likable character in Felicity and ruined her and had amazing source material to draw from in the Black Canary and still utterly failed.

          It goes to show that the best version of Black Canary was written on the Flash, BOTH times.

          • abby says:

            YES! I actually haven’t even watched arrow since they killed off BC. Such a disappointment! The first two seasons were so strong, and it’s just been consistently downhill. it bums me out!

          • Lex says:

            Very, very good point, and I actually hadn’t made the connection between both failures, Put the hate where it’s actually due: not on the characters, not on the relationships and dear god not on the shippers. Katie Cassidy’s a good actress. Felicity’s a fun character. There’s nothing inherently wrong with Olicity (just where they’ve taken the relationship).

            Bring back the classic screwball rom com-they didn’t name-drop His Girl Friday for nothing–with Felicity and Oliver as Hephburn and Tracy (better yet, put a ring on it and move on). Bring back the Black Siren–Katie’s at her best when playing a no-nonsense, HBIC bad girl. And for the love of all that is holy, bring back the writers who left after season 2 to work on The Flash.

      • Ash says:

        Let’s all be real the only reason you don’t like the “stupid relationship bullcrap” as you put it is because the writer’s didn’t go with the comic book route. If they had went with GA/BC as a couple then you wouldn’t think that was a stupid relationship bullcrap now would you. But you can still read about the GA/BC thing in the comics. I hope that will satisfy your thirst because BC is dead and she ain’t coming back at least not on arrow.

    • DEFINITELY disagree.

    • Kaylie says:

      DEFINITELY Agree

  3. Leo says:

    No matter how many crossovers happen between Error and Supergirl, Flash or Lot, I’ll never ever watch Error anymore. #NoLaurelNoArrow
    and at this point I don’t even want KC or BC back at Error… I hope she joined Supergirl or Flash.

    • KM says:

      Word, and LOL on error.

    • Goldenvibefan says:

      I’d love for KC to be a series regular or recurring on flash as black siren, that would be awesome.

      • Alex23 says:

        I think KC plays a better bad girl than good girl. If they bring her back they should go with the BS character. The writers did a crap job with BC.

        • Lex says:

          Yup. Look at her previous credits on the CW: Katie may not have made being the hero work, but damn does she do good with the villains you love to hate.

  4. LT says:

    Why or why hasn’t someone picked up Susanna Thompson???

  5. Leo says:

    Ikr. Or she could be in Supergirl. Since that show is about girl power all the time. KC could be Kara’s new supervisor who later turn out to be Black Canary or Black Siren. Then have her help Kara fight a returning Silver Banshee. Man the story practically write itself.

    • Leo says:

      oops. this is a reply to Goldenvibefan about KC recurring on Flash.

    • cthulhu78 says:

      They could also drop Earth 2 Linda Park/Dr Light over on Supergirl. Seeing as she wasn’t really evil, and then just kinda ran away to hide… Might be interesting if she turned up living in National City.

  6. Ugonna Wosu says:

    I loved KC’s turn as Black Siren, send hope to see more of her on either The Flash or Arrow(or Legends of Tomorrow).

  7. The last scene in Flash can absolutely be used to bring Katie Cassidy back.

    And can undo any bad things they feel they did.

  8. Take the oldest and second most important female character in the DCU and kill her because you dont have ideas for her is a joke. She was the leader of the Justice League for years. Without Canary, there is no Arrow.

    • Gail says:

      Wonder Woman was created first. Black Cannery’s first appearance was in Flash Comics #86 (August, 1947), Wonder Woman first appeared in All Star Comics #8 (December 1941)

    • Dwayne Takeda says:

      A BC/GA romance. There’s an idea. BC talks common sense to GA, keeps him from going off the rails and smooths out his rough edges. And GA loves BC deeply and completely. His feelings for her makes it difficult for him to operate as a crime fighting partner. I know it’s not original, but that’s the classic relationship and what fans expect.

      • Karen says:

        And you just described the Felicity/Oliver dynamic perfectly. The absolute last thing I expected was a Laurel/Oliver relationship – he cheated on her with her sister. There’s no coming back from that.

        You are right though that the fans expect a romantic relationship for the hero, yet when they get one that works, they just complain about it because it’s not from the comics.

        • Jake says:

          That’s right and wrong it should be from the comics and built around that..without comics there is no Arrow..duh!

          • Karen says:

            The comics should only be a starting point. What’s the point of making a tv show that just gives you what is available in another medium. The show needs to go in the direction that works and Laurel/Oliver clearly didn’t work at all in this particular show.

          • incognito says:

            I understand the frustration people have with the diversion from the source material, but IMO that’s not the show’s biggest problem. If you really don’t like who Oliver’s with (or not with) just chalk it up to the wackiness of the multiverse and rest safe in the knowledge that your GA is safe and unpolluted in your Earth 1 preference. That said, the bigger issue seems to be that that the show isn’t evolving… every season follows a similar character arc. Step 1: Oliver swears he’ll do it different this time. Step 2: He comes across a seemingly undefeatable foe who he underestimates at first. Step 3: Something happens that makes him doubt his resolve – i.e. a death of a female character – case and point Mama Queen, Thea & Laurel. Step 4: In part one of the finale he seems to be losing, by part two he’s had a pep talk (and in most cases gets conveniently timed help fighting off minions so he can take on the Big Bad).
            Point is the show seems stuck in a loop… that’s what needs to change. Comic book characters (even iconic ones) have died before, even in their source material iterations. So to me the great tragedy of BC’s death is that it seemed wasteful, it did little to advance the story and the characters… it just sort of happened. Plus lets be real, D Darhk was a ridiculous villain so wasting a significant character death on him just sucked.

    • Osiris says:

      Actually Catwoman is the oldest major female character in the DCU, having first appeared in 1940 in Batman #1. Then Wonder Woman in 1941 in All Star Comics #8. Black Canary wasn’t until 1947 in Flash Comics #86. I’d say Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Batgirl, Harley Quinn and Supergirl are currently more important characters in the DCU than Black Canary.

  9. Jake says:

    I agree with these statements. I hate to be negative, but the millennials and writers are what is killing Arrow aka Error. Millennials have been raised to think that everything should be ship this and ship that. Sorry real life is not “Twilight” or TVD. If you want that go watch TVD or The Originals. IMO, Felicity should have died, she is really not even in the Arrow story line, BC is. Katie Cassidy got the short end of the stick, she was handed crappy story lines and did the best she could do with the material provided. Sadly, that turned people against her. I saw articles that stated she was thrilled to become BC, probably because she would actually have better material, but it was to late. I get that the CWs primary target audience is people whom believe that everything should have a happy ending, but I prefer that more realistic approach. Bring back BC!!!!

    • Patrick says:

      Its not millennials. The problem is the internet and social media (which is going to be a really big problem for civilization in the not distant future IMO). The Shippers are the most vocal and passionate fans. And in this world of analytics driven decision making, network suits use analytics to influence writing staffs. And Felicity popped from day 1, while Cassidy’s Lance/BA did not. Part of that was her being miscast (and obviously not super thrilled about not shooting in LA), and part of that was poor writing. A different actress might have made up for the writing shortcomings, and better writing could have over come the chemistry issues between Ollie and Laurel. Side note: how much do you bet the people at the CW wish they could have seen Caity for Laurel Lance? Monster hit with a great triangle between Felicity/Ollie/Laurel.
      .
      The death of Laurel, or at least the removal of her character, was an inevitably by the time it happened. Too many mistakes were made, by multiple different entities, in the previous years.

      • Ben says:

        Exactly Patrick. It’s really getting old coming to this website and seeing all the comic fans moan about how the comics aren’t being followed. As someone who couldn’t care less about the comics, it is really clear that the character of the Black Canary is extraneous and was adding nothing to the story.
        .
        I agree that if Caity had been cast in that role from the get go, we might have a different story here. But she wasn’t. Nothing against Katie Cassidy, but she had no screen chemistry with Stephen Amell, while Emily BR does, and it’s really a no brainer. I don’t know anyone who actually feels like the show went in the wrong direction with Oliver/Felicity instead of Oliver/Laurel, EXCEPT people who are laser focussed on the show replicating the comics as closely as possible.
        .
        People need to get over themselves and realise that they are in the minority. One can blame ‘social media’ all you like, but it doesn’t take social media to recognise on screen chemistry and to push the show in the direction to further it.
        .
        In fact, the show debuted with four very weak characters – Tommy, Moira, Laurel and Thea. Now three of them are gone and the only one left is vastly improved. (Some could argue Oliver was weak too, but he is exempt on account of being the Arrow). In their place, they’ve chosen to focus on people who do pop – Felicity, Diggle, Ray Palmer, now Curtis… they are writing from a position of discarding what isn’t working and keeping what is, and for me, it’s making for a stronger show (overall).
        .
        Now if they could just figure out how to make a villain as compelling as Slade Wilson again… (although, personally, I felt like Damien Dhark was way better than Ra’s and season four overall would have been of higher quality if not for the terrible flashbacks and the Oliver/Felicity relationship drama).

        • Malkavian says:

          The problem with that is…CAITY LOTZ CAN’T ACT!!!
          Katie Cassidy is a MUCH, MUCH better actress

        • Lex says:

          Hi. I have no idea if you’ll actually read this, but both Patrick’s comment above and your response are some of the most astute I’ve read about Arrow. I already wrote a short essay in response to Patrick, so I’ll focus on some of the points you made that I didn’t comment on already.
          .
          I did research in TV studies for most of my undergraduate career, and now I’m applying to screenwriting MFA’s so I can become a television writer. Over and over again I hear the same thing being mentioned as I did reading for both roles: TV critics agree we are now experiencing “peak TV.” There is now so much TV content being made that it’s no longer possible to watch everything that airs. It’s a consequence of being in the Golden Age of Television.
          .
          Another consequence of the Golden Age of television is that audiences (at least the ones who like to use social media to discuss television online) have watched more television shows than ever before, and they’re now pretty savvy about TV tropes and conventions– the fact that TV Tropes.com exists shows how much collected knowledge the audience has even before they start watching something new.
          .
          Arrow– even the whole Berlanti-verse– does not exist in the vacuum. We began watching Oliver Queen right after we finished watching Christian Bale’s Batman. Nolan’s films informed both how Arrow was made and how audiences approached the show when it debuted.
          .
          Watching the strange triangle dynamic between Oliver, Laurel and Felicity I couldn’t help but compare it to Buffy, Angel and Spike, finding parallels that even extend to Thea being Dawn– the superhero’s kid sister; Roy being Xander– he looked up to Buffy the same way Roy looks up to Oliver; Sara as Willow– bisexual super best friend; and Diggle as Giles– but with more of a brother relationship than the father-daughter one Giles had with Buffy.
          .
          I knew Katie Cassidy from Supernatural, where I loved her as Ruby. She was the Head B—- in Charge, and it was delightful to watch her continually manipulate Sam and Dean. I remember being shocked I didn’t automatically love Laurel, but that same tendency towards manipulation took an ugly turn when you watched her run hot and cold with Oliver and Tommy. I really didn’t like how much I came to resent Laurel, first for being so indecisive and fickle in season 1, then for taking up airtime that could have been spent on the fun parts of the show– there was such a big difference between Laurel’s storylines and everyone else’s storylines. An unrealistic addiction/depression arc (as real to me- someone who has gone through depression- as Felicity’s stint in the wheelchair) was a drag when everything else was hurdling with breakneck pace and electric energy towards the final confrontation with Slade. When Sara was killed so Laurel could take her place, I was pissed.
          .
          I do disagree that Ray popped on the same level as Diggle, Felicity and even Curtis, because the guy came with “REBOUND” practically tattooed on his forehead. He did make the transition from kind of creepy and obnoxious to someone I was glad to see fighting alongside our other heroes in Nanda Parbat and he’s comedy gold when paired with Mick on Legends.
          .
          Marc Guggenheim is not tied up in some Olicity shipper’s basement, being forced to kill Laurel. Like you said, she added nothing to the story. This makes me sad, but there’s no denying she was by far the best choice for the grave, even if the whole “let’s show someone is dead even if we have no clue who it is!” thing was some of the most irresponsible plotting I’ve ever seen. The Laurel Lance we’re supposed to be watching has never existed; Caitlin’s “we not only knew her, we loved her” to Black Siren? Diggle telling Lyla she was “like a sister” to him? When were these relationships developed? And WTF was the whole “let’s practically snuggle on Tommy’s grave” thing? Laurel declaring Ollie the love of her life took away cheapened some of the few moments where I actually liked her.
          .
          I love Olicity, but put a ring on it. I feel like a broken record, but I can’t emphasize enough how terrible the baby mama plot was to the entire show. The shippers are pissed because Olicity broke up, the haters are pissed because the Olicity breakup was dragged out over three episodes. Baby Mama makes Ollie promise to lie to Felicity to protect her son? Guess what, William still got kidnapped! A nonsensical plot that did no one any favors. Take a page from Friday Night Lights: give us Arrow & Mrs. Arrow, then give us more real real, external conflicts than you’d ever expect from a “football show” …or a “superhero show.”
          .
          Okay, I need to stop now and go to bed, but know that this is the first time I’ve seen people really consider Arrow the TV show outside of its place as Arrow the comic book adaptation. The comic book audience is a tiny percentage of viewers, they just seem loud because they congregate in the same spaces (the same ones that have been mostly abandoned by shippers; why be constantly jeered at and blamed for everything wrong that has ever happened on Arrow when you can look at cute gif sets on Tumblr?). Arrow should focus on being a good TV show rather than hampering itself to conform to a different medium.

          • pem says:

            Lex- Yes – Every Single Word You Said.

          • Ash says:

            Preach, preach. LOL the best line, “Marc Guggenheim is not tied up in some Olicity shipper’s basement, being forced to kill Laurel.” I loved this so much.

      • parstl says:

        Um…sorry but what’s a shipper?

        • Patrick says:

          People who favor a relationship, which is shortened to ship. They ship a couple. Ideally, from the network’s POV, there will be a triangle with a group of fans that want character A and B in a relationship, while another group of fans want character B and C in a ship.

          • Jake says:

            Sorry, they are not passionate, what they are is overly emo..

          • Osiris says:

            Thanks I was wondering where that came from. I was trying to figure out how ship or shipping in terms of a romance was related to an ocean going ship.

      • incognito says:

        Well said.

      • Ash says:

        I completely agreed with everything you said. The big mistake the show-runners/network did was miscasting the wrong people for the roles. I’ve said this before and I’m saying it again, Caity should have been BC. I think the only reason KC was cast was because she was more well known at the time and the biggest blunder other than the whole miscast thing was that they never did a chemistry test with KC/SA. If you are going to have two people bring to life two superheroes and their iconic comic book relationship you would think the EP’S and the network would have the actors do a chemistry test. People can hate Felicity all they want but the girl has chemistry with everyone including herself.

      • Lyla says:

        Absolutely agree.

      • Lex says:

        I don’t know whether you or Ben (below) have made the best comment I’ve read about Arrow. Thank you for not automatically blaming shippers for ruining everything, though I would disagree TV writing is “analytics-driven decision making.” It’s still fair to say networks need shows people want to watch so when something works–like switching love interests from the canonical one from the source material to the one who “pops,” as you said, on screen–you go ahead and change your plans. It isn’t all a numbers game, and there really isn’t anything wrong with choosing to make the best TV show possible than making the most accurate adaptation. Go with the best story… even if the small minority familiar with the source material will forevermore be bitter.
        .
        The adaptational changes between Dinah Laurel Lance the comic book character and Laurel Lance the TV show character doomed Laurel from the beginning: no one wants to root for a woman to take back her ex-boyfriend who ran off with her sister, regardless if he’s now “a hero.” They tried to make it work by saying Laurel “always saw the best” in Ollie– the shooting script really tries to sell the idea that Ollie will eventually become the person Laurel sees, the best version of him. It still doesn’t work because the toxicity in the relationship is already established.
        .
        Add in the fact that while Katie Cassidy has been fabulous in previous roles, they were all, notably, villains and antagonists. She brought that antagonism into Laurel, so even scenes that were supposed to be tender had an air of resentfulness. Throw in her lack of chemistry with Stephen Amell, stir well, and you have a character destined to fail.
        .
        In life and in television women are always brought into comparison with one another, so adding Felicity and Sara doomed Laurel even further. Felicity’s the Girl Friday who brightens every scene she’s in and even makes Our Hero smile; Sara’s the *trained* killer (emphasis on trained) who went through hell with the Hero and is now trying to adjust to being home in almost the exact situation Our Hero was in the previous season. The connection between Oliver and both women is rooted in the present and therefore much more dynamic than Oliver’s attempt at reliving the past with Laurel.
        .
        I will say I love Caity as Sara, and it’s important to me personally that she be a bisexual character because my bisexual friends have told me how much it meant to them. In a way Sara could function within the Olicity framework in much the same way Barry does: Barry and Felicity are just too similar for a romantic relationship to work, but he and Felicity do share a deep friendship (so much so that it’s Barry she’d visit when Oliver was being a d-ck). Sara and Oliver are also very similar, but a romantic relationship between them could only be temporary; they feed each other’s distrust and darkness, and would eventually self-destruct; however, they share a very special connection that’s deeper than just being besties (and occasional f— buddies).
        .
        In the end I completely agree Laurel’s eventual death was a done deal. Even with the wealth of source material they couldn’t make her a sympathetic character or find a purpose for her outside of being a love interest. Felicity works as Oliver’s hope, there to call him on his bull—-, help him when he’s down, urge him to keep fighting, and love him in spite of herself. Everything Dinah Laurel Lance was to comic book Oliver Queen, Felicity had covered.
        .
        Sara was there to fight side by side with Oliver, to save his life and have him save hers, to challenge him physically, help him keep his head in the game, and work as devil’s advocate. Everything the Black Canary was to comic book Green Arrow, Sara had covered. What purpose did Laurel have in Oliver’s story? All the thematic roles she would have played in his narrative; the symbol she would have been in his hero’s journey was now being filled–if we’re talking season 2, perfectly–by Sara and Felicity. What reason was there for Laurel to continue being a main character?
        .
        Someone else said it first, but she only survived season 2 because she was supposed to be the Black Canary, and the producers kept hoping it would be enough to justify her presence. They even knocked out the competition by killing Sara, but her training went completely neglected until Nyssa showed up at the very end of the season to give her a hand. Sorry folks, self-defense and boxing three days a week isn’t enough to pull off a transformation into a hero who belongs in the field next to Oliver, Roy and Diggle.
        .
        In season 4 we had her shouting at Oliver that he never saw her as an equal, and she’s right: he didn’t see her as an equal on the team because she was on such a sub par level in comparison. Thea had Malcolm Merlyn Boot Camp, Roy had a summer training with Oliver (who lost his company and had plenty of free time to spend mentoring him). Laurel’s role as ADA made the time commitment needed to gain fighting skills implausible. And yes, I’m passing this judgment because I don’t like her character; she never earned the suspension of disbelief I had with the other characters.
        .
        I remember back when Sara died many people were asking if they killed the wrong Canary. It feels cynical and insensitive to the investment some people had in Laurel, but you gotta note who’s alive now and who’s dead. Laurel should have been put on a bus to Gotham back in season 2, becoming Harvey Dent’s ADA. Who knows? Maybe she’d run into Barbara Gordon one day and the Birds of Prey would come into being. As it is, Laurel’s death was inevitable but still felt like a waste. I just hope Katie either finds a role more suited to her talents and/or comes back as Black Siren, because she proved to be a class act, sticking with the character to the end.

    • Michelle says:

      All this. Shipping really has ruined shows. Or rather, catering to the shipping crowd has ruined shows.

      • Patrick says:

        Its this. People who run shows see what is trending on twitter, and what posts get the most heat on fan sites. And shippers are the most vocal. Rather than realizing that this vocal group is very small in number, decision makers think they are representative of the larger fanbase. But they aren’t.

        • Lyla says:

          Except it’s not small in number. Now, I don’t work in TV and/or for the Arrow TV show, but I DO work with data analysis & conduct research for marketing purposes. So, let me assure you, the ”decision makers” of a large network know EXACTLY what is the minority. And they write the show accordingly. I have also been to many cons and events about Arrow. And I’ve watched the footage of most of the ones I haven’t been to. Arrow is a hobby of mine (sort of). So, I can tell you, the most talked about (in a good way) topic is either OTA or Oliver and Felicity’s r-ship. People cheer for it, real people. Many people. And for the record, being buzzed about on Twitter and other SM is quite big part of how shows stay on air. It means they are relevant. So, Patrick, if you think social media noise the ”shippers” bring is irrelevant for the show’s success, you’re living in the 90s, dude.

    • stacy030 says:

      You know that shipping has been around since before the term millennial as even created, right??

    • pem says:

      Jake, I’ve raised 3 kids, who all have their own families now, and not once do I remember ever giving lessons on shipping this or shipping that. I am not a millennial, never seen Twilight, TVD, or the Originals. I pay for my own cable, tv, and DVR, therefore “I” get to choose what “I” want to watch for whatever reason that may be. Whether it’s for the action, or because it’s a comic book show, or because I’m a fan of a particular couple. I do not think Felicity should have died because she really IS in the story line of the TV show that “I” watch. BC no longer is. Not everybody that likes Felicity, or the relationship betw Oliver and Felicity, fits into some neat little demographic box, OR were they all rooting for the death of BC. “Realistically” speaking, KC was raised in a show business family, and has been in the business herself since she was 15yrs old, almost half her life. I would think she’s not only well-aware of how show business works, but more than well-prepared for it’s surprises.

    • abby says:

      completely agree! it’s insane how they destroyed that character!!!

    • Lex says:

      Wow. You really don’t like these “millennials,” do you? All of these “millennials” who watch Arrow without reading the comics first—how dare they! How dare they disagree with comic book canon! How dare they form their own opinions from the actual show, and not the comic books! I mean, really
      .
      If you want to know why people get irritated with the whole “BUT THE COMICS!1!!” mentality, its because of how rigid it is: you said yourself Laurel was given “crappy material.” Even if you hadn’t ever heard of the Green Arrow before watching the TV show, you’re still expected to forgive “crappy material” because IT’S IN THE COMICS!1!! Anything not IN THE COMICS!1!! is bad because it’s not IN THE COMICS!1!!
      .
      Why should these viewers who don’t know the comics look past Laurel’s crappy material? HER. MATERIAL. IS. CRAPPY. If you see a character “given crappy material,” what reason do you have to like her? You don’t know that she’s *supposed* to be a super important character or the hero’s one true love. If you don’t know Laurel is *supposed* to be the Black Canary and the Black Canary is *supposed* to be the Green Arrow’s one true love, why should you be expected to like her? All you’re seeing is the “crappy material.” Of course you’re supposed to still like her. She’s IN THE COMICS!!1!
      .
      What if you see that cute IT girl babble and make the hero smile? She gets involved in his vigilante life in a completely plausible way. She’s a valuable asset to the team. She has killer legs. She’s whip-smart and her banter with the hero practically crackles with chemistry. She’s constantly bringing levity to an otherwise dour and depressing show. In short: she just *works.*
      .
      But you’re supposed to want her to die, because she’s not IN THE COMICS/11!!. For that matter, Diggle should proabably die too, because he’s a 100% original character. And Thea’s a composite of Mia Dearden and an original younger sister for Oliver created just for the show. She’s not IN THE COMICS!1!, so she should die to. Hey, Sara actually DID die because she wasn’t IN THE COMICS!1!… but you’re supposed to be happy about that, right?
      .
      Sure, Katie Cassidy got screwed over. I agree with that 100%. She wanted to play the Black Canary, but she got stuck playing Laurel Lance. That sucks for her. I’m genuinely sad because not even Meryl could have made that material work.
      .
      But for the love of Batman, DO. NOT BLAME FANS FOR THE WRITER’S MISTAKES. Don’t blame fans for not liking Laurel when the writers gave her a terrible history with the hero. Don’t blame fans for not responding to Laurel when she’s always so bitter and hostile. Don’t blame fans for not caring shes the Black Canary: they didn’t care for Laurel Lance, and putting a mask on her didn’t do much to help that.
      .
      If the writers were unable to make people unfamiliar with the comics like Laurel, it’s their fault, not the fans’s fault for not knowing they’re *supposed* to like her. It’s not their fault if they’re still having issues with Laurel going into season 4. It’s not their fault if they really don’t care that Laurel died: the writers never gave them a reason to care.
      .
      Don’t blame “millennials” for not agreeing with you 100%. You say you don’t like happy endings? You like a realistic approach? Forcing a BC/GA happy ending would certainly be unrealistic. But I’m sure you think a BC/GA happy ending okay, because it’s IN THE COMICS!1!!
      .
      People should stop caring so much about what’s IN THE COMICS!1!! and care about watching a good TV show. This season, Arrow was not a good TV show, for many other reasons besides not doing things exactly like they are IN THE COMICS!!1! The writers need to stop trying to please everybody and focus on making good TV. Because that’s what this is – a TV show. If you want things like they are IN THE COMICS!11!, then go read the comics.

  10. roguelm says:

    I haven’t watched arrow since the Laurel funeral episode, which was a weak goodbye to the character. It’s so frustrating that they decided to kill the character because moving forward I felt Laurel was the only one on the show who had the most to work with and keep the show fresh moving forward. (aside from Oliver) I like felicity and diggle, but I feel like they reached their peak and so much focus is starting to feel repetitive.

  11. Still super annoyed that Arrow killed one of their best characters and sidelined the other two (Dig and Thea) so that the show can focus even more on LOL-icity. Guggs and Mericle need to get off twitter, stop reading fan-fic, and focus on writing the best comic book show they can. And get a new fight choreographer.

    • Ash says:

      What Arrow are you watching? Did you forget that half of this season was about Diggle’s dead brother not being so dead. That was part of his arc and don’t even get me started on Thea’s problems with her same old daddy issues. I agree that Bam needs to go. Did they forget that Oliver/GA actually knows how to fight?

      • Sarah says:

        The Arrow that ended with the team being reduced to Oliver and IT Barbie. I wasn’t talking about this season as a whole but where the show left us heading into season 5.

        • Ash says:

          First off congrats on your petty attempt of an insult on Felicity. As for where they’re headed with Diggle & Thea SS, you will just have to tune in to season 5.

    • Lex says:

      “Best characters” is a relative term. If they had wanted to write “the best comic book show they can,” they should have focused more on “the show” than “the comic,” and written off characters who no longer had a purpose other than pretending to be her sister. As it was, Laurel’s death was too seasons too late and therefore anti-climactic. I hope Katie finds a job better suited to her talents and season 5 get back to the heart of the show: Original Team Arrow
      .
      I should also note being misused in season 4 doesn’t mean the relationship is a bad thing; it just means better writers need to find that season 2 playfulness again – the Oliver-and-Felicity screwball comedy, with Diggle always smirking in the background.
      Besides, “taking back the guy who lied to you because his baby mama put him between a rock in a hard place” will always beat “taking back the guy who constantly cheated on you and ran away with your sister.”

      • Ash says:

        You know what I never understood was let’s say the writers/EP’s had decided to go with the whole GA/BC as a couple, how in the world were they planning to come back from Oliver being a serial cheater and running off with Sara to getting another girl pregnant. Like how? And you know the worst part about the whole thing is people still think they should have ended up together just because of the comics.

  12. mrmcgee says:

    I love how so many commenters hated on KC season after season, complaining about her portrayal and ma mad that she was Black Canary. Now that she’s been killed off, she’s suddenly everyone’s favorite. Ironic.

    I can’t believe they killed her off and I still wonder what was that other thing she had to tell Oliver before she went into seizures, but I agree that she did a good job as BS. KC pays bitchy well, like she did on Melrose.

    • Still my least favorite TV actress in a long time. Still glad to see she’s gone. I stopped watching Arrow largely because of her. Now that she’s gone, I can come back! :)

  13. Paco says:

    I always thought the term “Shippers” was short for “Worshippers”…

  14. NotAnselAdams says:

    I definitely will need to start watching Arrow again. :)

  15. Ash says:

    I guess Willa recovered fast after supposedly losing a limb since she was shading KC about the stunt double thing on her INSTA. As for KC I am not going to miss her. Arrow’s version of BC was terrible. And this wasn’t just about the bad writing for the character but the acting from the actress as well. I love BC/GA together in the comics however I am happy the writers saw what everyone else saw and went the different route. Chemistry is one thing you cannot force and SA/KC had none.

    • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

      Um, wow.

      • Lyla says:

        Can I, please, ask what was so shocking about that comment? Even if rhetorically. Nowadays, particularly on CW shows (but not only) the actors, their opinions and particularly their social media is very much on display. And to those of us who follow them and go to the cons and whatnot, it was not exactly hidden that Katie as an actress was not the most loved among the cast. Now, I am very much against bullying of any and all kinds. And cyber-hate is cowardly. I remember how Anna Gunn was personally cyber attacked, because people were so obsessed with idolizing Walter White as a character. It was awful. But expressing an opinion that someone (in this case Katie Cassidy) didn’t do a good acting job isn’t exactly harassment. Actors should be prepared for that. I personally think she had her moments, most of which with Paul Blackthorne. And judging by her quite good performance in Eleven-Fifty-Nine, she actually has potential. But most of the time I was simply annoyed by her portrayal and did not like her rendition of Black Canary. So, there.

  16. Lyla says:

    Out of curiosity I went back and read some of the top reviews of Arrow Season 1. The show was mostly praised, but in a cautious manner, saying there were flaws too. Most reviews noted those as Arrow ripping off Batman and the Laurel character was either ignored or criticized for the love triangle with her. Then I did the same for 2nd season and I honestly didn’t remember how horribly Laurel was trashed. Her alcoholism arc made her unlikable, but it could’ve been ok if they hadn’t introduced Sara who completely and utterly took over the audience. The reviews after her death were mostly ”they killed the wrong sister”. Then Laurel and her plan to take back a year-long dead sister got all the possible side-eye (it was for LOT, but ppl didn’t take it kindly). With that her stories were finally done and all she did was tag along like the 5th wheel for the rest of S4. So, the people here saying how ”killing the beloved BC killed this show” – I’ll tell u who is beloved. The Dinah Laurel Lance in comics. Clearly. And she keeps on living. The Laurel Lance in the TV SHOW Arrow was one of the most criticized TV characters in this decade. I realize it would’ve been better for everyone (including the show-runners) if it had worked out with Katie Cassidy. If she made Laurel likable and had at least a little bit of chemistry with her ”destined” GA. She didn’t. Source materials are important, but they are not enough for a successful TV show. I’m sure going into it’s 5th season as the 2nd highest rated show of it’s network Arrow needs fresh air and space for new things and characters. I’m glad they are getting some.

    • Ash says:

      Well said.

    • Lex says:

      This just was not KC’s role. I sincerely hope the CW lets her develop something better suited to her talents, because I’ve seen her do better work than she did with Laurel. I’ve made a hobby of theorizing “how I would have saved Arrow” if I were Guggenheim, and one related solution is to have the Black Canary be the person who already is the Black Canary… if we learned Sara’s middle name was Drake, after her mother’s maiden name, we could have skipped a whole lot of heartache and almost pathetic attempts at character rehabilitation. The minute Sara showed up she *was* the Black Canary… and Sara Drake Lance would have been close enough to one iteration of the Black Canary seen in the comics.