Castle Series Finale Producers Explanation

Castle Series Finale: EPs Thank Fans for Watching 'A Love Story for the Ages'

The showrunners for Castle‘s eighth and ultimately final season have something to say to the ABC drama’s stalwart fans.

Just days after the somewhat surprising news broke that Castle would not be continuing on, and on the occasion of Monday night’s series finale — in which Rick and Kate finally (but barely) bested LokSat and then apparently lived happily ever after, or at least long enough to fulfill their destiny of three children — co-showrunners Alexi Hawley and Terence Paul Winter shared this message reflecting on the series’ legacy and the millions who made it possible:

While we’re still trying to process all the emotions stirred up by recent events, the feeling that stands head and shoulders above all else, is gratitude.

Eight seasons. A hundred and seventy three episodes.

None of it would have been possible without you — our loyal and passionate fans. You are the reason this show survived and thrived. Without you carving out “Castle Mondays” every week, we would never have been able to make the show we love for as long as we did.

So thank you.

And thanks to Andrew Marlowe for creating such a delightful world, centered around a love story for the ages. It was an honor and privilege to shepherd the story of Castle and Beckett this season.

And finally, thank you to our cast and crew, who have been our family for these last eight years. Who elevated every script by investing the best of themselves into each episode. We will miss you profoundly.

Alexi and Terence

Do you appreciate the finale farewell from the show’s final set of bosses?

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144 Comments
  1. Coop says:

    Man, they really did just throw a scene at the end of that. Pretty cheap last 2 minutes of the show.

    • castleNOT says:

      what do you mean 2 mins? More like you blink and you would miss the ending…..LAME! I did not even get to see the “kids” faces or even count them, that’s how fast it went by….EIGHT years? What about the rest of the group? Jeeze!!!!

    • emily says:

      their really was no time for a longer future scene unfortunely. we should be grateful we got to see this scene. personally it makes me happy to know for a fact that caskett ended up with kids. however, i wish we could have seen if espo finally ended up married… hopefully with lanie. and also to see kevin and jenny and their kids again.

      • Robber says:

        There was totally time for a longer future scene if they had just dropped the stupid “dead guy comes back and shoots both of them” part.

        • agree agree agree agree

        • Suzanne says:

          Definitely. That was totally unnecessary. I think they were going to leave it there without the future scene if they still didn’t know whether they were going to do a 9th season or if they knew they were and then they’d say Castle lived but Beckett didn’t. The future thing was thrown in at the end to make it a happy ending.

      • Dr. Iris J. Sarro says:

        We hate to let go of things we love but if we must we must. Some of the episode were a little slapstick but all in all 95% were a delight. Sorry to see it go, but life moves on. We will look for another weekly to enjoy in addition to Bluebloods. Love that Tom Selek.

  2. I call bull on the whole we filmed multiple final episodes. that is exactly how it would have ended if it had been renewed. minus a lazy 5 second long 7 years latter tag.

    • c-mo says:

      They never said they filmed multiple episodes, they filmed 2 different endings.

      • I would have thought multiple endings meant everything coming back from the final commercial not a 15 second montage tagged on to the end of what was obviously the original cliffhanger ending.

      • Angeliza W. says:

        They kept changing what they were Supposedly saying each time you read an Update it was Different!! WHAT A PILE OF CRAP!!! AFTER 8 YEARS, THAT’S IT???
        They said they did 3 endings, however felt they’d “NEVER” need to resort to that. The ending here in Central Time was with Rick in the Cab, when he figured out that wasn’t a real cab driver. So I Guess Somehow They just left the zlast Few Minutes OFF??? I went to the ABC website to find out that the Ending they Supposedly played was “recapped” there, do at least ho to see the less than 2 minute Ending!!! REALLY?? WOW!! I bet that was Real Hard TO Flash that TAG line saying “7 YEARS later”!! ABC, you SCREWED UP ROYALLY after 8 Wonderful years of Castle!! YOU REALLY LET ALL OF CASTLES FANS DOWN!!!! So Hope it was WORTH you saving a couple bucks,,, Tearing up A WONDERFUL SHOW!!!

        • Jeff B. says:

          Apparently You must have fallen asleep or something, because You seem to have missed the entire last half of the show. LOTS of stuff happened after Rick got in the cab. I’m in the Central Time zone, and I didn’t miss the CRAZINESS leading up to the ending. I still have a couple plot hole questions, but I saw the whole show.

    • Louis E. says:

      They would,I expect,have had her die and him eulogize her if they’d gone on to the new season without her.

  3. “A love story for the ages” that involves as little interaction between the couple as possible.

    • Diane says:

      Bingo! A love story they refused to write for and play.

    • I know. What the heck happened this last season that kept them apart so much?

      Whether it was that Nathan and Stana didn’t like each other, or that the show runners thought that somehow the show could have one story about Beckett as Captain and another as Castle Private Investigator, the show runners really screwed the pooch this season.

      I am so disappointed. If I can ever bring myself to watch Castle reruns in the future, I’ll only be watching seasons 1-7.

      • John says:

        It wasn’t just season 8 they wrecked havoc with; season 7 started the downward spiral with Rick’s diasappearance on the way to his wedding. After six long years of will they or won’t they ever get married, his abduction was just the last straw for too many.

        • David4 says:

          It was the last straw for me, the season 6 finale is when I ditched. I think I watched the season 7 starter and realized ‘nope, no more’ and moved on. So sad too.

      • Jeenee says:

        Yeah, the last season was so awful. They took a so good story and just trashed it with disconnected, idiotic stories about the love story so unacceptably discombobulated along with the dreamed-up villain. I could barely stand the last season’s shows until the last one or two where things seemed to be coming back together. Nope. Now this season ending show. Sigh.

        ABC, new “show runners” and various others I am sure have destroyed another good show to its demise.

        • Jeenee,
          I think they felt they had to keep things fresh by mixing up things. Castle being PI and Beckett being Captain. And throwing another curveball into the murdered mom story. But what the new show runners didn’t seem to realize is that viewers liked things just fine the way they were!

          It’s a simple formula, really. Quirky murder mystery+Castle’s crazy theories+a little danger and a few twists+Caskett chemistry both in and out of the bedroom= a good show

          • John says:

            Did the show runners really want to “mix things up to keep it fresh”, or did the differences that arose between Fillion and Katic force the writers to take the show in a different direction? Many fans find it hard to believe our two leads could have ever been so disagreeable, but it really is the only thing that makes sense. To say the show runners didn’t know what they had with Caskett after six years is nonsense.

          • Suzanne says:

            John, These show runners were new this year. They had been involved in the beginning but hadn’t been there through all the character and relationship development. I still think of them as boys pulling the wings off a butterfly for fun.

          • John Lynch says:

            The show runners knew exactly what they were doing per season 8 contracts and the writers followed suit. Why is it so difficult for fans to believe Katic and Fillion had differences?

    • Agree, clearly for an ending to a great love story, S8 showed very little love at all. Must have made Nathan happy to have filmed the entire last episode with only about 5 minutes of screen time with Stana. Really short on romance. Glad she’s not dead, can you imagine that’s the ending Hawley didnt want to see the light of day and now he’s bragging about a love story for the ages. Go back to the Following, oh I forgot they got cancelled too.

  4. Rob Horine says:

    It’s over and the fan boys are still bitching!

    IT’S OVER! GET OVER IT!

  5. iHeart says:

    really? people are complaining about this? even though they both survived?

    • Becktle says:

      People complain about everything. Complaining and being outraged are the two most popular pastimes of the 2010s

      • Miss Rozie says:

        @Becktle – I couldn’t agree more – bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, that’s all people do. TV was SO GREAT back in the day, no internet, no spoilers, no opinions, we just WATCHED the shows as they aired and waited until the following week to watch it again – or every day soaps, when soaps were soaps!!! It was so simple AND wonderful, we viewers just took it all as it was presented to us. No complaining and no being out on the ledge ready to jump, losing one’s mind and being so outraged. When the program was over, that was that until the next episode.

        • Kathy says:

          Fandom didn’t start with the Internet. Even before the Internet, we talked about shows with our friends. We wrote letters to other fans, we contributed to letterzines, and at fan conventions, we talked about them face to face (either informally, over a meal, at room parties or in hotel lobbies, or more formally, at panels for the show). We wrote to TV Guide and to TV columns in local papers. And we complained just as much about things that annoyed us.

          • NightOwl says:

            I don’t agree. Yes, perhaps there were complaints, but now its like everyone wants to dictate exactly how shows should be written, what the writers can and can’t do, etc.

          • NightOwl says:

            It’s the feeling of entitlement that has changed.

          • Dee says:

            @NightOwl: coughGleecough That’s the demise of the show, when the showrunners/writers started following what fans wanted. Sure, fans are driving forces to make the show super popular and thrive but you don’t have to follow them so that they can control the entire thing. It’s your own story; write it!

            I’m actually very happy and very satisfied that they got the happy ending they so deserve. At least I know they survived, they’re happy, they have children (BECKETT WITH TWIN SONS! OMG!). I’ll rewatch each and every episode thinking their love story ended up as a happily ever after.

          • dillingham says:

            I agree with your re fans.

        • peegee says:

          so true so true

    • Terri says:

      I’m happy with this ending. Only the bad guys died and Castle and Beckett had a happy ending. I’m sure that the writers and producers did their best considering the uncertainty surrounding the show. Obviously, had they known that this was to be the series finale things might have been different. I think that they did a good job and I thank everybody involved for all the hard work they did for 8 great seasons.

    • NightOwl says:

      Of course, once you give in to tantrums, more tantrums are sure to follow. So now, they believe the ending should have been written exactly the way they think it should. No satisfaction until everything is exactly the way they want it. #getsoldquick

  6. Denise says:

    Did they die? Are they alive with kids? WTF?

    • Becktle says:

      You have a choice :)

    • S. says:

      Is it really that hard to follow Denise? They got shot, she would’ve died if they continued the show, and instead the gunfire probably got the neighbors calling 911 and they were saved….cut to the future where they’re alive, with a family, and loksat is all gone. Kate can finally relax. They could finally get their family. It’s a bummer ABC left them in a lurch with so little notice to deal with this. Hardly the Castle team’s fault they didn’t know it was the series finale and they can’t control that ABC wasn’t gonna pay for Stana. This is probably the best we could’ve hoped for under the circumstances. It was actually a pretty intense cliffhanger and on that alone was a strong ep out of context.

  7. JoAnne Netrefa says:

    Really wish there was going to be a ninth season but thank you to both cast and crew for eight great seasons.

  8. Teri says:

    The Showrunners are the fall guys for what ABC did to Castle. They had to do what they did. ABC should be ashamed to let Castle go out after 8 seasons on this rushed ending.

  9. jahoney1 says:

    They definitely did not film two separate shows with two different endings. This episode was the one that would have happened either way. The only thing I suspect that was different that in the renewal Kate dies before they get saved. This was a sad series finale really. I will admit that part of me is glad for the happy ending though.

    • Becktle says:

      So not two endings but you suspect there’d have been a different ending? rofl.

      They didn’t say they shot two completely different episodes.Of course they shot two different endings. I dunno why you, and a few others, think they’d say that if they didn’t. It doesn’t earn them credits or brownie points.

      • jahoney1 says:

        Of course they shot two different 15 second endings for the show to go either way which is cost wise very cheap, but also very lazy much like the way this whole season has gone. There is a technical difference between a tacked on ending which this was and what the show runners said was “there were going to have two alternative endings.” That to me means an ending like the end of season 7 which is structured and clean or the cliff hanger which was where Kate was going to die which was cheesy, but technically well done.

  10. Tina says:

    in 10 years, Nathan Fillion’s ego will have deflated enough to finally tell Stana Katic how much he appreciates her for helping him make the show what it was.

    • McSatan says:

      I keep hearing this about Nathan Fillion in these comment sections, but by all accounts on every show he has ever worked on everybody loves the guy. So if there was a problem between them it would seem to me to say more about her than him.

      • Rob Horine says:

        Years ago there was a gossip item about a “former model turned actress on a crime drama with a actor know for his ‘sci-fi’ appearances. She hates him and she says the actor drags the show down. She wants him killed off, but it’ll be hard, first she can’t act. Second, his name in the show title”.

        You didn’t have to be Olivia Benson to solve that mystery. Hell, Benson from Soap could have solved it.

      • Hb says:

        This may be shocking to some people, but: it’s entirely possible for two people to get along great with almost everyone they encounter and then they encounter EACH OTHER and one or the other or both just doesn’t like the other one. So, yes, Nathan could be wonderful and yes, Stana could also be wonderful, but together they dislike/hate each other (or one dislike/hate the other).

        They doesn’t make one or the other flawed. This is simply normal human behavior. Some personalities just don’t go together.

      • tahonia2 says:

        Thank you for standing up for Fillion. I don’t know why he’s the bad guy here. He did his best to try to keep cast and crew employed.

        • Viv says:

          Except there are numerous rumours that he asked in his S8 contract to work with SK only 2 days per episode. And he’d sign for a S9 if she wasn’t there.
          Not cool, Nathan, not cool… They can dislike each other but this is another level : affecting the storyline. Not pro at all.
          .
          I usually don’t listen to rumours but that would explain why the showrunners broke what made this show awesome and had the 2 items of the “love story for the ages” (yeah, right) interact so little this season.
          And the rumour about S9 and Nathan wanting Stana out came out in February when no one fanthomed a S9 without the 2 leads…

  11. Becktle says:

    I liked the finale. A B+ The message from the showrunners is nice but it’s difficult to see it as sincere when a month ago they were willing to continue on with half a show. Castle (the show) = Becktle.

  12. Asenath says:

    Perfect ending! Full circle with S6 E05 Time Will Tell. Man from future sees them with three kids.

  13. becky says:

    The ending was ultimately confusing and rather ridiculous. They are both lying on the floor shot then fast forward 7 year’s without transition except an empty room. Really? I expected so much more from a final episode. Very disappointed.

  14. shaun cox says:

    It gose to show that don’t enjoy show’s that aren’t like the 3 stooges or something stupid it will not last

  15. So very glad it ended happily! A great show like Castle shouldn’t end on a sad note, because it always made me, and I’m sure a lot people, smile. Another great thing is, is that I can keep smiling now whenever I think about the show! We have enough sadness in the real world today. Happy endings are always better with really good suspenseful comedies that need to come to an end.

  16. Janice Himshaw says:

    We deserved a proper ending! Throwing in the 7 years later at the end was hurtful for your loyal fans, at least this one. It should have been 2 parts. Second part giving us an hour of happiness and closure.

    • Sara says:

      They couldn’t do that because they didn’t know if they were going to be cancelled. Blame ABC for waiting until the last moment to cancel it. You should be thankful it wasn’t a cliffhanger and they had the foresight to film that quick ending.

  17. Tina says:

    Surereal, I have been watching for sometime, if not in real time then on demand. Interesting twist. On the finale. Kinda reminded me of the ending of the last Harry Potter. But, kudos to Castle , the whole crew. Thank you for the suspense, action, and along love story.Yes there was a happy ending, lets hope there’s a happy ending in everyone’s life after the ending of this book. After all, we just need to turn the page.

  18. Gaby says:

    Only the last minute or so was actually good. The rest, was pretty mediocre. But whatever, I’m just glad Caskett had their happy ending – rushed as it was.

  19. GuessWhat says:

    That was so obviously a “TACKED-ON” ending rather than an “ALTERNATE” ending. So are we to assume she would have died on that floor if the show got renewed. Hmmmm.

  20. Beth says:

    The only thing that would have made this better was another season, with everyone returning. All good things must end, but sad when it’s too soon. This show made Monday’s not seem so droll and mundane. Now my late night Mondays will be spent cleaning house, I suppose. Sigh… Loved it! All 8 years!

  21. Jessica says:

    SOOO disappointed with the way they chose to end a great series! There was too much storyline crammed into 1 hr. If it had been a 2 hr finale they probably could’ve wrapped things up better. Before knowing it had been canceled I had finally come to the realization that Castle could continue without Beckett. Had she died like so many thought, the next season could’ve picked up showing how they were all choosing to cope and deal with it. Rick could still have his PI business while still working alongside Esposito & Ryan. Hailey and Alexis still helping on cases, etc. I feel the cast was robbed of a better sendoff to a great series. They all deserved much better!

  22. Lynne says:

    DO NOT WANT IT TO END!!! WILL MISS YOU ALL TERRIBLY. YOU HAVE BECOME PART OF MY LIFE, MY FRIENDS, MY FAMILY!!!!😥😓😪😢😭😭😭👎👎👎

  23. Maggie says:

    So sad that ABC and the show runners could not have come up with a better ending for a show that had entertained viewers for 8 years. The final scene should not have been tacked on. We deserved better.

  24. Carol says:

    Castle was one on my most favorite shows. I was please with the series finale because I was so sad it came to an end but the end was well done.

  25. T says:

    A love affair for the ages? Hyperbole perhaps. It was a disappointing end to a disappointing season. As for being the series finale it was an even bigger disappointment. Three little kids in seven years and the parents do not even have a gray hair, extra wrinkle or pair of glasses between them. And what happened to everyone else? It is too bad how the show seemed to implode in the last month. However, it was time to end it. This was not a very good ending but I am a sap for happy endings rather than sad. So farewell Castle.

  26. jahoney1 says:

    Alexi Hawley craters another show. Three times he has been an executive producer of a show and three times these shows have tanked. By all accounts and by what I have seen with Castle the man is an amazingly talented writer. Some of Castle’s most watched and most powerful episodes were written by him, but I am just not sure he is cut out to be the senior executive producer of a show.

  27. Joseph McGhee says:

    I thought the violent epilogue was too much…but I appreciated the happy ending.

  28. jahoney1 says:

    I do really think that ABC entertainment wanted the show to come come back in a new form, but under the same name. They were hoping that with the same name a new format they would be able to have some better upfront numbers with stronger syndication showing. Disney/ABC TV Group under Ben Sherwood looked at the numbers and decided to cancel the show. That is why it came so late.
    It was for the most part a pleasure to watch Castle for last eight years though in year eight it was hard and I did not watch a lot of it. It was different kind of cop show. It will be interesting to see where the cast goes from here.

  29. texmike says:

    Last season’s was a better ending than this one. At least Kate lived and they had their kids.

  30. Susan says:

    Castle is one of the very few network shows that we watch. It will be missed! Our thanks to the cast and crew for all of their hard work.

  31. NAncy says:

    I actually hAte ABC!! I simply loved Castle!! It’s a great show that I never got tired of. Monday night was my favorite night to watch TV. They need to rethink this ghastly decision!!!

  32. carroll chadwick says:

    I HAVE WATCHED CASTLE FROM THE BEGINNING. I HOPE WE LOTS OF RERUNS. I GOT MY DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER INTO WATCHING CASTLE. WE ARE ALL REALLY SAD ABOUT THE SHOW ENDING. THANKS TO ALL OF THE CAST AND WRITERS. YOU ALL WILL BE TRULY MISSED. THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. Castle was a event each Monday great ending to a great show that will be missed.

  34. Mary S says:

    If these hypocrites had not totally screwed this season, we would have been able to have several years more of Castle…or, at least, a shortened final season that gave us a true finale and happy ending for everybody. So, this “thank you” feels very lame and insincere. Unless I am very misinformed, they just became the showrunners for the season that killed the show. If not for them and their idiotic storylines, we would all be happy together. If Stana was unhappy with the way things were, well, who do we think set up the way things were?? I’ll blame the showrunners, every time. So, no, I don’t believe a word of this “farewell thank you” from them. That’s like anyone believing Charles Manson if he had apologized for all those killings.
    Yep, I did it: compared those loser showrunners to Manson. There were about the same number of characters on the show as that man killed or had killed….and a lot more JOBS that were lost…
    And, please, don’t anyone jump all over me for comparing fictional characters to real human beings. I know it sounds crass and uncaring, but, for those of us who loved them, the characters were as real to us as the people we read about or saw in films…we invited them into our homes EVERY WEEK and even in reruns. We KNEW them and will miss them. I hate that they were twisted, turned, tainted and tortured by those who were supposed to celebrate their energies, relationships and LOVE.
    The only reason to hire these showrunners is if the network, studio, whomever, wants to end a show without advertising that fact. CBS does it by putting the fated show on Sunday night in the 10PM/9:00PM CST time slot..
    Apparently the Absent Brain Cells hire the worst showrunners and writers in the industry so they can kill the ratings and drop a show … they tried to just get rid of Stana, but the fans would have none of Castle without Beckett, so, here we are: with the lamest of endings and the lamest of thank yous, from people who tried to make it sound like they had nothing to do with the death of the show. Replace BECKETT with Hayley??? You must be kidding!

  35. N says:

    I didn’t want Castle to end. Looks like they just tacked on the 7 years later part. Glad you all got your happy ending

  36. TV Tour Guide says:

    Such a rushed ending. The show deserved more. Apparently they worked throughout the season dealing with the fact that the leads didn’t want to work more than two days a week together. Also a test to how the show would do with just Castle and the boys.

    Ultimately would have loved to have Ryan, Jenny and the kids and Espo and Lanie and Castle, Beckett, their kids, Alexis and Martha all together, maybe at a picnic or something. The whole Castle family. But alas, this is what we’re left with. Disappointing.

  37. Me says:

    I just have one thing to say: hypocrites! Show destroyers! Caskett killers! Do they think we forgot that they hoped never to show the last happy 20 seconds? That they were ready to go on without Beckett? That they didn’t mind alienating their loyal fans? They would better stop giving interviews and hide until the storm passes.

  38. cassfan says:

    Hawley and Winter should apologize to fans and MilMar first. Season 8 was really bad and they wanted to continue without Beckett.

  39. Anonymous says:

    Sure. NOW they remember it was a “delightful world, centered around a love story for the ages”. Hypocrites.

  40. Ana Rubio says:

    It felt rushed. But I’m so happy for the happy ending, both alive and with kids. Leaves the door open for a movie reunion in some years or other things.
    If after 8 years Beckett would have died the whole show would have been pointless, this was an epic love story and it’s part of me now.
    The show has been great and I’m so thankful for the Beckett character, it’s been a role model for me and helped me a lot in some rough paths. I’m gonna miss it so much.

    All I can say now is THANK YOU

  41. Mary says:

    Sorry, but if someone Castle conected had to thank the fans it had to be its creators, not the ones who tried to destroy the series with that s8 mess:(

  42. jj says:

    The fans watched the show because of the show Marlowe created, not the show you have butchered and destroyed. So it is fitting that the show gets canceled.

  43. Cyn J says:

    I in recent years, have become an avid fan of Castle. Regardless, of recent speculations, the pair had chemistry on screen. The finale could have been different but a happy ending was good for a hopeless romantic.

  44. Dena says:

    They should have put a little more into it. It was thrown together and although it ended well. It was about 3 seconds of thought after what was mostly 8 years of amazing story telling until the new writers. Very disappointing. Hate to see it end but Castle was the pair and couldn’t have gone on successfully without them. However, a series with just Ryan and Esposito could survive.

  45. Beverly Ali says:

    I was so sad that Castle ended, it was one of the few shows that all the persons who played the characters seemed to get on so well. I shall truly miss the show. I personally was happy with how they ended it though, that happy ever after feel, and wish them all the best in their future endeavors.

  46. KAREN HENDERSON says:

    I WAS AFRAID FOR A WHILE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO JUST KILL EVERYONE OFF. I WAS HAPPY WHEN YOU DIDN’T. THANKS.

  47. SANDY says:

    I thought it was a slap in the face of the faithful viewers who watched this show every week.

  48. So. “Castle” got its happy ending, and the fans all got the shaft. I suppose I should be grateful that the ending was happy, but the final episode had within it the potential for an entire new season because of all the loose ends. Yeah… I have an imagination, and I use it, but I don’t like putting my thoughts to someone else’s work; if that sort of thing were routinely expected, then why do novels all have an ending, beyond which the reader has no need to imagine anything? I could elaborate, but it ain’t necessary because I know that ABC knows full well what I mean. Let me sum it up this way: I will never, ever, under any circumstance, watch another show of any kind on ABC, again. I’ll bet y’all never imagined THAT ending!

  49. Jonathan Goldstein says:

    They need to switch networks and begin they’re parenting careers.

  50. Rosemarie says:

    While I am really sorry to see Castle end (I have watched it since its beginning), I thought the ending was good to a point. After watching this show for eight years I would have liked to see the rest of the cast a little more involved during the show seeing it was the last time we would see all of them together. Castle being a womanizer to a point could have played off another woman to keep the show going.its sad that you didn’t give the rest of the cast a chance to see if they could carry the show along with a new love interest for Castle , it would have been better than no show., You dropped the ball on this one.