Castle Rick Kate Separated

Castle Bosses: In Wake of a 'Powerful Moment,' Rick Is 'Definitely Relieved'

Castle‘s titular private eye might be a smidgen less anxious about the state of his marriage when the ABC drama resumes Season 8 (Monday at 10/9c).

After all, when last we tuned in, Rick (played by Nathan Fillion) had been reassured by Mia “The Nose” Laszlo that Kate (Stana Katic) was still very much in love with her husband, from whom she abruptly asked for a separation. Plus, in that episode’s final moments, we saw Kate stop to smell the roses — or, one of her husband’s dress shirts — in the course of collecting her things from the loft. She then left behind one of her NYPD tees, for Rick to similarly, fondly appreciate.

“You can read into that a little bit…,” co-showrunner Alexi Hawley says of Kate’s small but significant gesture. “That’s a really powerful last moment that shows you that all that love is still there.” As co-showrunner Terence Paul Winter reminds, “The reason why she created this separation, again, is out of love,” to protect Rick from whatever violent backlash her investigation into the LokSat mystery might trigger. “She wants him to remember her, so yes, she knows what she’s doing.”

Will the souvenir tee plus The Nose’s romantic waxing add up to, say, 15 to 20 percent less anxiety for Rick about the state of his fractured union? “I would say that’s a fair statement,” Hawley answers.

“Part of [his frustration] is that he doesn’t quite understand exactly what’s going on with her,” Hawley continues. But that mystery within the LokSat mystery just might resolve itself some by the time the show breaks for its three-month winter hiatus.

“His questions about what’s really going on are what’s ultimately driving us to the end of the fall finale (titled ‘Mr. & Mrs. Castle’ and airing Nov. 23),” Hawley says. “But I do think that even though she was talking about moving out and she got her stuff, what happened with The Nose and everything definitely relieved him a bit.”

Beckett will be out-of-town in the next episode (for “real work, not secret work,” Hawley makes clear), affording Rick the opportunity to share his curious situation with Detective Slaughter (played by returning guest star Adam Baldwin), as the two get wrapped up in a heist-turned-murder.

“He does start off the episode going, ‘It’s getting a little old,’ because he does in private struggle with it,” Hawley notes. “So what we really tried to do with him and Detective Slaughter was have a bit of the ‘guy conversation’ about ‘What’s happening with your wife?’ — but also really flip that guy perspective on its head, in the same way that we try to flip the Slaughter character on its head a bit.

“They definitely talk about it,” the EP continues, “but again, it ends up being a positive conversation.”

But wait, do I want advice on my fragile marriage from the likes of Slaughter, a rough-and-tumble man’s man? “That’s the thing,” Hawley answers, laughing. “That’s the whole fun of it!”

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312 Comments
  1. Anonymous says:

    I hope that is an indication that they will be back together by the hiatus, otherwise if the episode doesn’t do that I think the powers to be will see fans aren’t happy. So whose ever idea was to break them up was totally wrong. Which will be really telling on the future of the show.

    • Just one thing says:

      It doesn’t appear they’ll be getting back together right after the hiatus. Shout out to Mr. Mitovich for making that clear a couple times in the comments section of past articles.

      • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

        Mr. Mitovich did…?

        • Just one thing says:

          Pretty sure you/he did! Don’t make me scour your comprehensive Castle articles though, please.
          .
          Ain’t nobody got time for that.

          • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

            Nope, I actually made a point to never indicate one way or the other the timing of any possible reunion.

          • Gern Blanston says:

            I don’t recall Matt saying that they wouldn’t be getting back together then, I only recall him refuting when people said the he said that they would be getting back together in the fall finale.

          • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

            Yup. +175 TVLine Power User Points (No cash value)

          • Just one thing says:

            Since we’re being so precise, I feel compelled to clarify that the comment Mitovich quickly replied to – whenever it was – referred to what the SHOWRUNNERS said was around the corner; NOT to what Mitovich himself said was coming.
            .
            At any rate, between the other “shift” and Katic’s comment way back in July about how this arc would carry on throughout the season, I wouldn’t be surprised if the separation persists.

          • I do notice that Matt says any “possible” reunion. I personally think that any reunion will happen so late in the season that the fans will never get to really see the characters back together because Hawley and Winter will succeed in guaranteeing this to be the last season.

        • Georgee says:

          Matt the Peoples Choice Award for crime Drama Tv that Nathan and Stana are in the running for what season is that for?

    • Denyse says:

      So now this rediculous storyline is definitely going to be dragged out. From what they are saying it will go till after the winter break. You new writers ruined the show. There definitely will not be a season 9. If you wanted to end the show it should have been done at the end of last season so it could end on a high note. I stopped watching after the 1st episode. I keep up with it in these updates. There was absolutely no reason to break them up. You should have kept them as the best couple on tv. So sad this will be the last season and a horrible one at that.

      • S. says:

        Show’s not ruined. You never even gave this storyline a chance, admit it. Nobody acted like they weren’t in love when Castle ran off on his own on multiple occasions. Couldn’t even tell Kate he was going to Paris after Alexis, just vanishes. He’ll do stuff, and tell Kate about it later when he was in trouble or about to get into it. She’s just drawing hers out longer and in this case hers is more reasonable because when he does it, it’s not to protect her, it’s because he can’t get it through his thick skull that he can’t just go solo. She’s trying to do something with him in mind and his stepmother definitely has Rick and Kate on her protection-radar (presumably so does Jackson). Since they’re obviously still in love and at some point this resolves itself, maybe calm down and watch. They’re still a couple. There’s no divorce. I personally don’t consider this a breakup. It’s just a series of episodes where something’s going on that, if anything, shows how much in love they are. Kate can’t even be convincing when she thinks she needs to be to save him. Whether she really needs to do it or not, she thinks she does and can’t seem to let go the impression that she’s still in this. It’s both endearing and could get them both hurt.

        • A fan says:

          Not ruined? I gave the amnesiac storyline a chance and what a let down it turned out to be. See how that turned out for the show as a whole. For the first time after six solid seasons, the viewers dropped below 10million and never recovered ever since. Previous seasons had ratings still had fluctuating numbers between 8-10 million but no more for Season 7. Bottom line, people left. For the first time, ratings never came close the previous season’s. Season 7 had the biggest drop between seasons.

          The writers chose to focus on the repercussions of Castle’s disappearance rather than the actual cause through out the season. We ended up with ‘Sleeper’ that still left so many questions, in what could have been the only and final answer given that S7’s finale seemed like a series finale. If S8 didn’t happen, Castle’s disappearance wouldn’t be revisited. If that was the case, the writers never really thought through about the disappearance, it was written for some grand cliffhanger sake.

          • Lisa says:

            I understand your concerns about the amnesiac storyline. You need to keep in mind that was different writers. The new writers have been tasked with trying to recover from the issues of season 7. They have to start somewhere. Sometimes you have to take a step backward in order to move forward. Perhaps if you give it an actual chance, you might like it better in the end.

          • lurker says:

            As a comment to Lisa: So to do that they’ve (the new writers) decided to go waaay back with the characterization, to season 4?

          • Lisa, do you really believe that keeping Rick and Kate apart for the entire season is actually going to help recover from season 7?

          • dandan222a says:

            A fan: Have you considered just WHY the fans left after 623? It was the showrunners saying one thing, doing another, and then getting upset about the fans not accepting their choices. You are absolutely right…Consider the following data taken from ‘next day data’ that is reported on the web–The number of Castle episodes drawing over 8 million is as follows: S1: 10 of 10; S2: 23 of 24; S3: 23 of 24; S4: 23 of 23; S5: 24 of 24; S6:22 of 23; S7: 17 of 23; and S8: 0 of 6.

          • A fan says:

            The drop definitely had to do with the ridiculous Castle disappearance. The first three episodes of Season 7 is what I think viewers giving the writers and their story a chance. Watching it get swept under the carpet like it hardly mattered despite being a cliffhanger? Ridiculous. Now? Some fans are giving this split a chance till the winter hiatus episode. I’m expecting more ratings to fall after that. An ridiculous and unnecessary gamble with the risk of losing more fans.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          S. — excellent points. Thanks.

        • Bella says:

          Totally agree, finally someone who gets it.
          I actually understand Beckett’s reason for leaving Castle. Whether it is right or not I understand. If the Loksat people find out she is investigating them she believes they will only come after the people who know any information about it which is her and Vikram. If she was still with Castle whether she told him about it or not they would automatically think he was investigating with her and come after him too. They don’t need Castle to find Beckett, she’s easily accessible, they aren’t going to come after Castle just because they can see that she still Loves him.

          • David Ivey says:

            That is BS. What Beckett is doing to Castle is beyond cruel. I don’t need to give it a chance as the whole premise is beyond stupid. For heaven’s sake, he has been by her side for years where he is in danger and they have faced this danger TOGETHER for years. That was what made the show good. Also, he is still in her life and just as big a target even if they aren’t living together. It is just pointless cruelty. These writers are absolute morons and should be FIRED!

        • dandan222a says:

          The “protect” reason for this story arc is so ‘not real’–its a non-rational excuse for thinking ‘only I can protect him’. It is on the same level and rationality that Castle used back in Season 4 when he kept Mr. Smith and the actions that Capt. Montgomery had done from Kate until 423 (Always). In that situation, Castle walked away in a similar way and for the same reason–he knew he could not change her mind. In 801, Kate did the same thing, but unlike Castle, she did not tell him WHY she was walking away. If the showrunners purpose for this story arc was to add angst, they have succeeded. However, the truth is in the numbers, and the shrinking audience belies the fact that they did NOT succeed in providing the audience with a popular story arc.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            It’s not the same. In this case, it’s Kate’s actions – her continuing the investigation – that has the potential to put him in danger IF he too gets involved. Hence, her best chance of keeping him safe, other than stopping the investigation, which she seems incapable of doing, is to keep him in the dark about her investigation. To do that she has to work on it on her off hours, which can’t be done if she’s living with him. It may not be the right choice for her and him, it might not be popular with the fans, but it’s not all that farfetched given the rather farfetched story arc the character is faced with.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Again you’re completely ignoring the history of the show. ‘Keeping him safe’ has NEVER been a priority. Not like this. Yes she leads with a gun and says, “stay behind me”, because both, she’s a cop and he’s not, and yes, she wants him to be as safe as possible, but he’s always in danger, and was in particular danger helping her solve Bracken and outside of her taking that stupid run right at Vulcan Simmons, he was at her side nearly every step of the way. So it makes no sense at all that she is suddenly willing to throw away her marriage and hurt him to the core of his being by leaving him with no explanation on the hope it keeps him safe (not to mention Castle’s real reaction should be to investigate what she’s doing, to buy your idea, the best way to keep him safe would be to not leave him so he wouldn’t investigate on his own).
            Separating herself from him, but not divorcing him, and hiring Vikram are all highly suspicious, flag-raising behaviors that make it look, to anyone with a brainstem, like she’s investigating LokSat.. to pretend otherwise is to bury your head in the sand.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Sorry. Should have written “…her best chance of keeping him safe, IN HER MIND, …” What I’m trying to do here is present what I think is going on in Beckett’s mind. And as I’ve said repeatedly she may be completely wrong. You’d say she definitely is, but I don’t think we know the whole story yet so I reserve judgement. And I really don’t agree with you and others about her past efforts to keep him safe or her level of responsibility in not putting him in danger. On that we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

          • The Kate Beckett that these writers are writing does not love Rick. At least she doesn’t love him more than her addiction. Bracken was right. Even if she were to survive this (Which she shouldn’t working completely on her own with no one to watch her back.) she’d still leave Castle again or completely ignore him at the least for some other case that she would get emotionally vested in. Then she’d do it again. And again…

        • Denyse says:

          Ok S. I watched the episodes. I stand by my comment that the show is ruined. The episodes could have been so much better if they were still together. This will most likely be the last season. Too bad it can’t go out on a good note.

        • It’s going to be drawn out for almost a year of “show time”. Yes, it will ruin the show for the majority of its fans.

      • T says:

        3 of the 5 people who wrote the first 4 episodes are not “New Writers”

        Terence Paul Winter – 18 episodes
        Alexi Hawley – 12 episodes
        Chad Gomez Creasey – 6 episodes

    • shirley says:

      The powers that be already know the fans aren’t happy.
      I think we’ve made it clear.

  2. Kim R says:

    Okay I am going to be one of the nay sayers. It doesn’t matter how many times they explain Kate’s reason, it is never going to make sense. Like the bad guys are going to throw their hands up in the air because Kate doesn’t love Castle anymore so they can’t use him against her? They would have to be idiots.
    I can usually go with the flow of a storyline and give it time but this just leaves this dark cloud over every episode for me, even when they are great. I am so irritated by the needless separation. Just my 2 cents.

    • I agree. I’m not drinking the show runner kool-aid for this storyline. It makes absolutely no sense.

    • CastleBuzz says:

      You’re correct. What you have said doesn’t make sense. It’s also NOT why Kate left Castle. She’s distancing herself from him to hide from HIM the fact that she is continuing to investigate the Big Bad. As far as the Big Bad is concerned, they believe everyone, including Kate and Vikram, bought the story of Allison Hyde (the AG deputy chief who allegedly committed suicide in XX) being the CIA mole and Bracken partner. As long as LokSat people believe that, no one, again including Kate and Vikram, are in danger. However, Kate, Vikram and Rita all know Allison was just a patsy. No one else does.
      .
      This is not a difficult concept, people. It’s spelled out quite clearly at the end of ep 2. Once Kate decides she cannot stop investigating herself, this is only way she can protect Rick in her mind. You can object all you want to her going down the rabbit hole again and leaving him, but please stop perpetuating this notion that she thinks she’s fooling the bad guys about her relationship with Rick.

      • Up above it states that she’s “protecting him from whatever violent backlash her investigation into LokSat mystery may trigger.” Really? She doesn’t think the bad guys will go after Castle if they find out she’s after them just because she moved out. It doesn’t say she moved out to keep him in the dark about her actions. There is no perpetuating a notion of any kind going on.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          What you quoted is Matt’s writing, his take on things, which he’s already indicated is similar to yours and Kim’s above. It is not a quote from AH or TPW. If the bad guys find out about her investigation, they will go after her directly. After all, she is out in the open, not hiding. Why would they bother with Rick? They only did in XY b/c she was hiding. By keeping Rick out of things, Kate believes she can protect him not only from getting involved in the investigation and therefore becoming a target should the bad guys find out but also from becoming collateral damage in the event her actions become known.

          • caprigirl60 says:

            I did not quote Matt’s writing. I quoted the show runner Terrence Paul Winter’s statement-look again.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            No, you look again. Here’s the passage from the article as it appears above. Note where the quotation marks begin and end. The phrase you quoted is NOT included inside the marks indicating a direct quote from Winter. It is a paraphrase from Matt and paraphrases may not always be 100% of the speaker’s intent.
            .
            As co-showrunner Terence Paul Winter reminds, “The reason why she created this separation, again, is out of love,” to protect Rick from whatever violent backlash her investigation into the LokSat mystery might trigger. “She wants him to remember her, so yes, she knows what she’s doing.”

          • She already investigated and LockSat did nothing. Yes, she did and yes, he didn’t. How do I know this? Because the database search she did that supposedly caused her old team to be killed can and would have been traced back to exactly who made it. That’s the way that secure systems like the ones they would have had, work. If he knew about the search then he knew exactly who did it. Yet he never came after Beckett. Huge plot hole that the writers created for the sake of pushing the destruction of a happy marriage because Hawley and Winter think that you can’t have one in a show.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Jim, that’s incorrect. Kate did not search for anything related to LokSat per se. Her search when she was at the AG office was an attempt to link Bracken with drug trafficking or other illegal activities. At the time she received no hits. She never saw the redacted memo with LokSat written in the margin before XY-XX. At the most, the Big Bad would have had her on their watch but no need to go after her since nothing came of it. Of course, Kate would be back on their radar when she arrested Bracken, but it appears the Big Bad was willing to let him be sacrificed. Once tainted like that, he was of no use to them. It also means LokSat has other irons in the fire, politicos under their control. It was Vikram’s receipt of the redacted memo out of the blue, his follow-up query about it and relay to McCord that triggered the alarm and started the current ball rolling. No prior investigation by Beckett, no plot hole on this point, according to what we’ve been given so far.

          • jahoney1 says:

            Since she “believes” what you just wrote she has gone from a hardened police captain to a naive beat cop. Mob families have taken out entire families to prevent the children from trying to get revenge. These guys are not just criminals though. They are trained intelligence operatives, analysts, and military special operations trained mercenaries. Rick, Alexis, Martha, Lanie, Ryan, Espo, and Jim Beckett are already set up to be collateral damage when the crap hits the fan. Criminals tend to leave lose ends. Intelligence agents and mercenaries tend to leave few lose ends and more questions. Beckett is set up though to be the perfect distraction for Rita and Jackson Hunt and other back ops and red cell investigative teams without her ever finding out. Rita played to Beckett’s drug addiction perfectly. Like mother like daughter.

      • A fan says:

        Yeah, sure LokSat people is gonna believe nothing is going on the moment Kate chooses to separate from her husband and takes in Vikram to work at the 12th precinct, right after what happened. Classic dumb villains.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Not dumb, just not aware. Remember that it took Vikram’s query about the redacted memo to set off the alarm that brought the Big Bad into the story in XY and XX. That memo was the result of a nearly two-year old request from Beckett when she was in the AG’s office. So for two years they knew nothing about her trying to link Bracken with drug crimes and hence with LokSat. She was not on their radar. Since they now believe Kate and the others involved believe the Big Bad is done with Agent Hyde’s “suicide,” she’s once again off their radar.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Any shadowy figure smart enough to get into the position that he/she is in this LokSat contrivance, who is bigger, more powerful and more connected then Bracken was, is not going to be so stupid as to stop paying attention to Becket after the death of Hyde. You really think that someone that smart is going to be THAT dumb? Because yes, it is colossally stupid for someone to just assume that Kate believed it. So sorry, yes it would be dumb for them to just assume that they’re safe from Becket snooping. Anyone smart enough to have covered their tracks this well for so long is going to keep tabs on Beckett until the end of days, and if they didn’t then they really are dumb.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            L8wrtr, I actually agree with you. What I’m trying to do is present the scenario and reasoning the showrunners may have in doing this story arc and how I can see it working. It is certainly not the way I would have written it. If fact I wouldn’t have written it at all. I guess the point I’m making is that somewhere along the line in most TV shows and movies, you have to suspend disbelief. I prefer doing that on the backs of the bad guys rather than the heroes. Thus, let them be dumb enough to set up a patsy suicide and expect Beckett et al to believe the case is “over.” LokSat, whoever, whatever, it is, did set that up in order to take off the heat. If Beckett is seen doing her job as captain out in the open, unafraid, it’s possible that the bad guys “keeping tabs” on her has become sporadic at best. Beckett, after all, isn’t the only one in the know. The FBI, CIA, and AG’s office are now aware and probably investigating. NYPD ‘s upper echelon as well if you assume Beckett would have had to explain her disappearance. Beckett could be considered small potatoes in LokSat’s eyes.

          • No, Kate feels guilty because SHE did the search that somehow caused the redacted memo to come to life two years later. It’s why she supposedly feels so guilty that she has to leave her husband and family to engage once again in her addiction.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Yes, Jim, Kate initiated the search which makes her feel guilty, but in XX we learn that when Vikram receives the redacted memo as a result of that old search, he puts in a query about it, specifying LokSat. When he gets nothing, he sends it to his superior, Rachel McCord. It’s Vikram mentioning LokSat in his query that causes the fallout. How long the bad guys have had Kate on their radar is unclear at this time. Could be since her initial search, Bracken’s arrest, or since the redacted memo came to light.

      • L8wrtr says:

        First, in NO WAY is it clearly laid out in the manner that you have interpreted it. If it were so crystal clear, then there is no way everyone else (you are so in the minority here) is seeing it the way that Kim R laid out, because that is how we all see it. It’s not one person making some claim and all of us going… “Oh yeah.. that’s how it is!” We all watched the same convoluted piece of garbage writing and clearly saw what it meant. But I’ll tell you what.. let’s give you the benefit of doubt and say that you are right, and we’re all wrong.. your interpretation is even worse and makes even less sense. Beckett knows that as good as she is, she’s better at solving cases with Castle because of how he looks at things. Episode after episode when some outside agency gets involved in a case and questions Castle’s involvement, she blatantly admits that his perspectives have always proven invaluable to resolving cases, most of all solving Bracken where she tells Rick that she could NEVER have done it without him, which counts on multiple levels.. both in untangling the clues as well as his rock-steady emotional support.
        Rick has also proven time and time again that in spite of his propensity to be a bit reckless by going rogue now and again, when the cards are on the table and it’s life and death, he can be extremely subtle and controlled, again, just look at the numerous times during the Bracken storyline where he was the cautious one, where he had to calm Beckett down, keep her from going straight after suspects and clues..
        And lastly, this is where things really fall apart and everyone is up in arms about being true and consistent with the characters.. and if you cannot admit this next part as being true, then you really do not understand this show.. Everything we have ever seen about Rick says this.. when presented a mystery.. he solves it. Always. He cannot leave an important question go unresolved.. so now.. faced with the greatest question of his entire life.. ‘Why did my wife leave me without any explanation at all?” he doesn’t try and figure it out? He doesn’t immediately notice that it follows the dubious wrap up of the LokSat case in which WE ALL immediately recognized that the dead agent was a patsi? There is no way that the Rick Castle that we watched seasons 1-7 doesn’t immediately respond to these two things and not start investigating it. No way. No how. It’s not true to his character, and Beckett, knowing Castle as well as she does would know that this would be his response, so if she decided to go down that rabbit hole again, the ONLY way to keep Rick safe would be to include him so that he wouldn’t go rogue on his own.There is no way that the Rick of Seasons 1-7 is presented with this scenario and responds by.. “I’m going to win her back!”
        No matter how you look at this, your theory, or the way everyone else looks at it, the way in which they are forcing the characters to make choices and act are completely out of character and unbelievable.. their motivations all ring false, and this is the problem. Either way the motivations for splitting them are as contrived as you can possibly get.

        • Viv says:

          Hear! Hear!

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Am I supposed to cower b/c I’m in the minority? I’m typically in the minority and I’ve been more often right than wrong in my long life, so I’ll stick to what I’m saying. LOL What I’ve not said above or elsewhere in the TVLine comment section is what you are ranting about in the rest of your post. I’ve said repeatedly that Kate’s decision may be wrong. We don’t know everything yet. I’ve also said repeatedly that having set up what I think is an interesting story arc in XY and XX, the writers have not followed it up properly, choosing instead to bring back doofus Rick (much to Nathan’s apparent delight – he seems to believe he’s in a comedy, after all) and frivolous stories with juvenile humor for the past three eps. So, yeah, I actually agree with your rant — the Rick Castle I knew and loved for, well, not 7 seasons, but at least the first four or five, is gone.
          .
          There’s a precedent for this Rick Castle, however, and that’s the unfortunate story arc of his disappearance. Again, after introducing an equally dramatic and angst-filled event in 6×23, the showrunners failed to follow through in season 7. Once again, Rick dropped the story and his quest for resolution. OOC then, OOC now.
          .
          Please read what I write and don’t add layers of your own interpretation on it. I’m making a simple point about Kate’s reasoning, which, yes, is clear if you watch the last few minutes of XX without getting all hot and bothered by her leaving Rick at the very end. IMO that ending wiped out fans’ ability to put two and two together.

          • L8wrtr says:

            I have.
            It’s not clear like you think it is.
            Even if it was, it still makes zero sense.
            Numbers don’t lie. Ratings are in the tank, most people that watched it, interpreted the same way.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Well, it’s clear to me. But then again so are particle physics and differential equations. And once again my opinion does not rest on majority rule.

        • Vanessa says:

          This has got to be the best summation of all that is wrong with the whole separation story arc. Well said.

        • Hawley and Winter despise the character of Rick Castle. That’s why they write him as a moron for the sake of their stupid desire to create a false throwback to earlier seasons where the fans wanted the characters to get together. But this isn’t in any way comparable to that situation. This is Kate leaving Rick for no good reason except to indulge her addiction to the chase.

      • Primum Non Nocere says:

        Yes, she doesn’t want him to realize she’s working on the case because she doesn’t want the bad guys to think he’s working on the case with her.
        He’s NOT, but the bad guys won’t know that, if she’s with him every day and they appear to be investigating cases together. They will still assume Castle is investigating LockSat with her, and thus he’s more in danger not knowing, because he’s completely in the dark at this point….that seems blatantly obvious to me.
        The reasoning behind this separation gives me a major headache.I wish the writers/showrunners had taken the time and effort to have this whole storyline make sense then at least I could respect them even if I still hated it *Le Sigh*

      • But it actually shows that she doesn’t love Rick enough to get treatment for her addiction even though Rita warned her of the consequences. She doesn’t love him enough to stick to her promise to him of no more secrets and lies. Once he realizes that, if he were being written as a real human being instead of an idiotic buffoon, he’d be filing for divorce because he’d realize that Bracken WAS right and he will never be enough for her.

        • That One Mean Girl says:

          Yes, because whether or not someone gets help for an addiction TOTALLY has to do with loving someone enough. I’ll be sure to tell my addiction counselor of a father to just tell all of his patients to find a way to love someone “enough” to not need him.

    • prish says:

      I’ve given up and just tell the husband the actress has to be out of the country for personal reasons and has to be missing from a few episodes, and that was why this whole separation buildup. He accepted it and is content. They should have just run an info blurb in a few online articles. Fans can adjust to real life needs of actors. just imho, of course…

    • Denyse says:

      I agree with you Kim R.

    • Bella says:

      Whether is rights or not I understand. If the Loksat people find out she is investigating them she believes they will only come after the people who know any information about it which is her and Vikram. If she was still with Castle whether she told him about it or not they would automatically think he was investigating with her and come after him too. They don’t need Castle to find Beckett, she’s easily accessible, they aren’t going to come after Castle just because they can see that she still Loves him. That’s why they went after him in the premiere was because the couldn’t find Beckett not because she she doesn’t love him.

      • jahoney1 says:

        Then they have written her extremely stupid then. Killers have taken out entire families just to make the investigator suffer before killing the investigator. There is a reason that the person and or organization that is Lockstat stayed out of the eye for so long. Intelligence operatives and operations follow both liner and non-liner thought processes. A cop follows a straight line. Just like she did not stand a chance against Maddox and realistically against Bracken’s while thinking like a cop she had a much better chance while thinking outside the box with Castle’s help. An intelligence operation would kill Castle and Jim Beckett just to screw with Beckett’s head because they know she is an addict just like her mother and just like her father. They would get her to “drink from the bottle again and again until it kills her.” They kill Vickram and string him up as warning. A shared history even if she has moved out is enough for them to take out Jim Beckett, Lanie, Javi, Ryan, and Castle along with his family. The only thing that may slow Lockstat down is that killing Castle would bring out the agencies master assassin who happens to be Castle’s father.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          IMO, jahoney1, you’ve just presented the case FOR Beckett to keep investigating LokSat in secret and thus away from Rick and family. It could be argued that her only option is to go it alone (with Vikram who’s involved anyway). Try to take down the bad guys before they get onto her and start killing off the people she loves. Stay out in the open, make herself available, so if bad guys do find out she’s investigating, they’ll also know she’s doing it on her own and kill her and Vikram before harming anyone else.

          • jahoney1 says:

            I do get your point, but that to me is a really weak argument saying that she needs to find them before they find out she is investigating. They already know she is investigating. When Lokstat’s organization realize that they needed a fall person to at least slow down the investigation they “suicide USADA Hyde.” They can put things into place that would neutralize her without killing her. They leave Beckett for later because Rita and Jackson Hunt along with what amounts to is FBI Black operatives and federal red cells they have more pressing matters than a lowly idiotic police captain who is so far out of her depth she is not worth the time yet. Eventually they deal with her. They would then tune up her friends and family to try to stop her. Then they start to kill people. Eventually they make their way to Vikram and eventually Beckett. Knowing she caused all this death before she died would destroy someone like Kate Beckett.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            OK, jahoney1, I get your point too. We differ on two issues. One, I don’t think LokSat set up Hyde as a patsy just to “slow down” the investigation. They expected it to be believed that she was Bracken’s partner just as they expected the car crash that took out McCord and her team to be accepted as an accident. When it wasn’t, they brought out the big guns — mercenaries to get the two remaining agents who saw the memo and Kate. Two, if they thought Kate was still investigating, they’d kill her outright. These are not people like Tyson who toy with revenge by “tuning up” family and friends for no reason. They only do that to gain info — where their prey was in the case of Rick in XY or how much someone knows or who else is involved. For the latter, they’d torture Beckett. These guys are outright killers. They’re going to go straight for their target.

          • This is why that if the writers really wrote it the way they’ve set it up Beckett would wind up like her mother. No one to help her, no one to watch her back because that’s not what Vikram is doing. Besides, they’d also take out any cop she works with, not believing that she hasn’t told Esposito and Ryan anything. The writers are asking us to to believe that neither LockSat or Beckett have learned anything from Beckett’s history.

          • The only way that someone like LockSat would not go after Castle is if he and Beckett had a very nasty and public divorce. She’d probably have to cheat on him and stay in a relationship with her lover for LockSat to believe that Castle, based on years of their history, isn’t close enough to her to know something.

  3. Brad says:

    So finally no more trying to win her and finally him trying to find out what she’s doing

  4. John NYC says:

    DEFINITELY “tuning in next week”!

  5. Annie says:

    I’ve come to realize that the show runners and I have very different definitions of “fun.”

    • Just one thing says:

      If you would only drink their kool-aid, you’d be having an absolutely BLAST.

    • CastleBuzz says:

      You’re right. They do have a different meaning of fun. Writers like to deal with twists and turns, plans that go awry, characters in trouble, and all that other good stuff that may cause readers and viewers angst but are fun — yes, FUN — to write. It amuses them, interests them, entertains them….not necessarily you.

      • Shelly says:

        And according to the ratings there are a lot more who don’t find this storyline entertaining. The numbers speak for themselves, no matter how you try to spin it.

      • Just one thing says:

        The key to surviving in this industry, or any medium that relies on the written word, is to entertain OTHERS, not oneself.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Hey, Shelly and JOT, I’m not defending these writers, just trying to explain their use of the word “fun,” which I’ve noticed quite a few showrunners and TV writers use in interviews. In my experience, it’s the same way many of my friends who are fiction writers speak about the process. Throwing curve balls at their readers is fun for them.
        .
        And, JOT, the key to commercial success in this business is producing a product that ends up entertaining others. But anyone who does it for a living will tell you that as soon as they begin to shape something solely on the basis of what they think will entertain others, they will fail.

      • L8wrtr says:

        Wow.. condescend much? Here.. try this on for size.. you know who writers write for?.. I’ll give you a long while to think on that one since you clearly don’t get it based on your comment.. they write for….. ding ding ding.. fans.. The job of a writer on a TV show is to… ENTERTAIN THE FANS. Writers who write for themselves at the expense of the fan base do not remain employed for long. Their definition of fun needs to match OUR definition of fun. And fun is not watching characters agonize episode after episode. Fun is not watching characters fight and become distant over contrived conflicts. We’re all for plot twists and unexpected turns and surprises.. but they all have to be consistent with the world that has evolved over the last 7 seasons, and the characters that inhabit that world. There is nothing fun about forcing characters to act in ways counter to their very core. To be come stupid and inane when they used to be clever and charming.. to be ignorant and selfish when they used to be brilliant and dedicated.
        This isn’t fun. If you think it is.. well enjoy this garbage.. but the ratings are pretty clearly backing the rest of us in our position that this show has become anything but fun. It is painful. It is not enjoyable. It lacks reward. It is the absence of fun. If it were actually fun, then the show wouldn’t be on the cusp of cancelation. The writer’s job is to understand what the fan base enjoys, and stay within those boundaries. This show has a formula. You can push the envelope, you can throw in unexpected wrinkles, you can throw in obstacles.. but they have to respect the overall formula, you have to respect the dynamic of the characters. You cannot just on a whim suddenly throw away years of character evolution and call it a twist.. that’s not a twist, it’s bad writing.

        • Bruno Bailly says:

          Thank you LBwrtr, finally someone else who actually understands the series and the incredible character development that was done for the first 6 seasons and even for the seventh even thought errors were made the original producers managed to repair a lot of the damage enough to keep the FANS on board by following the original FORMULA as you put it. The new producers however probably figured they had a whole season to gain the fans trust, but after seeing the numbers they definitely have to rethink this if they do not want the season to be cancelled after the break.Basically they will never please all the fans but they need to please the majority of them and FAST

        • John Z says:

          Well said. If I may add to your excellent response to Castlebuzz. What is Castle, it is a TV show. It is an entertainment product. Its owners (ABC) invest money in the manufacturing of the product (shooting the season). How does ABC recoup its investment. It charges it customers for time they buy during the airing of the show. The rates they can charge are a function of how ,many people are watching. So if lots of people are watching during a specific block of time, then they (ABC) can charge more than its competitors during that tme period. So why do viewer choose to spend their time to watch during a specific period of time. Content, as the TV show is an entertainment product. The idea being that as a viewer I will gain something for the investment of my time. Put simply, I will feel good about watching the show, or ” a fan loves the show”. So if the fans are happy they will watxh the show, and the supplier can charge more , and then be profitable.
          But now, for S8, and I speak as a fan, or consummer of entertainment product, the current S8 of Castle does not please me, in fact I ( and the majority of fellow historic consumers), do not find the show to meet our expectations. So who is at fault here the customer or the supplier? So Castlebuzz , if you think the customers, you may need to re-evaluate your buying habits.
          Sorry if rambling, I had surgery today.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Dude. Thank you, you were not rambling at all, that was exactly it. Just like the popular sports saying.. “It’s a business” In this case, it’s ‘SHOW’-business.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          No, L8wtr and John Z, TV writers, all writers, write what they HOPE will be entertaining to enough people to create a fan base and keep that fan base once it’s established. But they write what entertains themselves. Obviously, a staff writer on a TV show is restricted by characters and story arcs that may have been developed by others. Still, they’re hired in the first place for a specific show b/c how they write, what they write, fits that show.
          .
          If writers wrote for fans, they would have to know what fans like. That is just nonsense. First, which fans? Second, why are some fans happy with a ep and others are not. Third, why are some pilots never picked up and other shows that are fail within a year? This idea that individual writers “know” what “fans” want is ludicrous. They are no more prescient than you or I.
          .
          A show, a book, a play, a movie is successful when the writer’s interests matches a significant portion of the population’s.

    • Yep. The showrunners don’t believe that a show can be fun if it features a happily married couple. Never. Ever.

  6. Just one thing says:

    Whatever!

    • sigh says:

      Oh!!! I am so “relieved” that Rick is relieved! It’s so like Castle to totally not pry into why Beckett is acting a certain way. I’m so glad for the “powerful moment” in which his WIFE left him her shirt so he can “remember her”. Yay we get the privilege of “reading into that a little bit”! These crumbs from the showrunners are so amazing and delicious I hope they never stop throwing them at us!!! Yay!!! So much fun!!!! :\

      • Just one thing says:

        That’s the spirit!

      • lurker says:

        Nah! You know what “that little bit” was? A lame try to remind the viewers of that “you smell like cherries” moment from season 2 with a little twist in circumstances. “Stil” was the honest episode in the intention of being their clip show. But when the show starts to quote its own lines scenes and plots in the absence of better and original ideas, that’s bad, really bad.

        • sigh says:

          Gosh, you really have a great memory, lurker! The thing is, that was a nice moment in season 2 when they weren’t yet together. Now they are married, but the showrunners have to stupidly separate them and yet remind us that they still love each other (see! see! did you see the t-shirt thing?! they love each other, see!). Like, thanks so much. Such amazing storytelling. LOL

      • L8wrtr says:

        I see what you did there…..
        And I approve.

  7. Vanessa says:

    Hawley’s idea of “fun” and my idea of “fun” (as well as A LOT of the people I see commenting here) are vastly different. Slaughter and Castle have never been friends, and yet we are supposed to believe he goes to Slaughter for advice?! Sorry. Not buying that flimsy story, and this is clearly plot driven writing, an excuse for 2 friends to do an episode together. Out of all the people to bring back for an episode, they brought back the least favorite guest star ever.

    • John NYC says:

      Why think he goes to Slaughter for advice? Why not the simpler, they run into each other about a case, find some common ground to push the case together and while in each other’s company talk about whatever to pass some time? Then something Rick says prompts a response by Slaughter. Quasi strangers can be easier to let stuff out with, no conflict of interest like with Espo, Ryan etc.

      • L8wrtr says:

        I’m sure that’s how it will play out, but the problem is.. let’s say I have an acquaintance that’s proven to be nothing by a short-sighted, selfish, somewhat misogynistic and morally questionable person.. am I really going to spill my guts to this guy about the totally inexplicable question of why my wife left me without an explanation, yet also isn’t filing for divorce? Doesn’t matter whether he seeks him out, or is forced to be around him, Rick confiding in Savage is once again grossly and obscenely out of character. Did they actually watch the original Slaughter episode? While Rick was enamored by him at the start of the episode, by the end he clearly thought very little of him.

        • CM says:

          But they’re playing this forced and totally contrived (since the characters can’t talk about it) separation for laughs. Don’t you see – it’s fun.

        • KCC says:

          I doubt there’ll be much confiding in Slaughter, like them sitting in a bar talking about life. More like Castle is butting into Slaughter’s case and Slaughter doesn’t like it so he tries to push Castle’s buttons by talking about his apparent failed marriage. During that confrontation Slaughter will say something unexpectedly insightful. Not to be helpful, but just blurting something out that Castle takes to heart. Or it could be unsolicited advice from Slaughter that just happens to resonate with Castle. Even “a short-sighted, selfish, somewhat misogynistic and morally questionable person” can sometimes say something intelligent and Castle has shown he’s very good at taking wisdom from seemingly random things people say. I think that’s what the “fun” part is to the writers.

          • L8wrtr says:

            If we had a time machine and this were a discussion about any upcoming episode of seasons 1-7, I’d be right there with that assessment, it’d be my expectation, but with as horribly written as this season has been, I’ll be shocked if they were to be that smart about it in this episode. Though in all fairness the reviews of The Nose indicate a more ‘Castle-like’ quality, that’s one out of 5 episodes so far, so the numbers are not in our favor. But I hope you’re right!

        • lurker says:

          Alexi Hawley wrote that fiist encounter in “Headhunters”, and this one also. So, I guess, he knows. The question is was that first episode exactly what he wanted at the time.

    • Alice says:

      Hawley is ticking all the annoying things to bring back.

    • Disappointed says:

      The new showrunners seem to have an even more perverse definition of “fun” than Marlowe did. This bizarre break up is blighting every episode for me so far and looks set to continue well into 2016. Instead of making what could be the last season truly memorable they seem determined to emphasise everything that is the opposite why I used to watch the show. Less than 10 mins of Castle and Beckett sharing scenes per episode, supersleuth Alexis, and juvenile humour is not what got me hooked in the first place, and could someone explain what the purpose of this Hayley character is who the showrunners got so excited about before the season started, a total waste of time for me. I’m struggling to keep watching, and if it wasn’t for Stana I would have given up long ago, so it looks like Cool Boys will be the first episode I’ll actually skip altogether and catch her scene, if there is one, on youtube. I have no inclination to rewatch any of S8 so far so it’s looking like 7×23 will become my SERIES finale. Doesn’t look like Nathan will get his wish for the show to end on a high.

      • L8wrtr says:

        Couldn’t agree more, though I watch more for Nathan than Stana, end result is the same. They have brutally throttled everything about the show that brought me joy, and filled each episode with everything I cannot stand. I think your closing point is really the ultimate indictment. I own Seasons 1-7, and literally, my wife and I have watched every single episode easily over 5 times each, some way way more, but we have enjoyed watching every single episode of them. So far not one episode of season 8 warrants a 2nd viewing, and that doesn’t appear to be something that is going to change anytime soon.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        IMO Nathan has certainly done a lot to ensure the show won’t end on a high. Starting in Season 5 when he began to phone in his performances half the time (whenever he wasn’t at the center of the story) and continuing this year with his slap happy silly self and mugging. The promo for Monday’s ep is 20 seconds of him mugging, not acting. What experienced actor crunches up his face every few minutes to express surprise, glee, consternation, exasperation. Fingers on the bridge of the nose? Come on. He needs to go back for some acting lessons…and take Molly with him.

  8. Christina says:

    I haven’t read a single article about Castle since September that’s made me want to start watching again. This is for sure no exception. (Don’t get me wrong – I love the Castle love on TVLine, I just hate this current season.)

  9. N says:

    I’ll watch!

  10. David says:

    It’s called fluff or spinning the positive. A feel good blurb. Done mostly because they don’t want the fans to flame the freaking hell out of them for that absurd nonsensical split.
    I’m with Christina I haven’t see or heard one single thing that makes me want to start watching the series again. I love the comments and for now, I’ll stick with those.

  11. Alice says:

    Just what I want to watch, Castle having a guy conversation about his lovely wife and their marriage with Macho man not.

    • Just one thing says:

      But, but, but… they’re going to turn the character on his head and turn the story on his head and do things differently than the last time he was there.
      .
      Which means Castle’s “old friend” probably offers some decent advice in the ULTIMATE storytelling reversal. You’ll see how creative the writers are with this. Just you wait.

  12. Beckett says:

    Aghhhh I’m so bored and then some angry at the show runners for keeping this nonsense storyline going. It doesn’t make sense. Kate’s reasons are to protect castle? Then how come a case suspect still got to hold a gun to him and at his apartment. May not have been related but kinda PPP pood the whole storyline. It’s just poor writing and way to fast paced, that it comes across false acting. And now we have waited 3 weeks for an ep that may not even have Beckett in it?? Puff! I’m nearly done with the show… I wish the show runners would read these comments and do something different.

    • Georgee says:

      Your right our two new runners are way out of touch with the fans. Yes the ratings drop a little in season 7, and now they are dropping a lot, because of a non logical split for a new spark. It would be like after the SF 49er won the super bowl and the year we had a coaching change and the new coaches walking out on the field on the next seasons opening day and telling the fans that they are going to split up Joe Montana and Jerry Rice because they did too good the year before. That makes about much sense to the fans as this Rick and Kate split NONE!. But our two show runners are not here to please the fans. After all we have a People Choice award coming up and if Rick and Kate win that and it done for season 8 it makes them look good, and the hell with the fans. I feel the last three episodes of this fall season are really going to be disappointing for the fans. We had so many miss leads, rumors and non truths since early spring that we do not know what to believe any more, it just a game. Them some times you are told that you do not know what your talking about, no one ever said that and you are looking at a copy of that statement with dates and who, must be my glasses. And I’m talking about bring Rick and Kate back together it sprint speed. Being that this story is all frictional I’ll add a little of my own. Some where in the last two episodes we are going to hear in the back ground a tune being played by the Righteous Brothers ( You’ve lost that Lovin’ feelin). See I can add rumors to they make about much sense as the story line our two show runners are giving us. Please write Mr Paul Lee, President of Walt Disney Company,500 South Buena Vista Street,Burbank CA 91521-0931. The sad part about this whole thing is that if only they would tell you what episode and date Rick and Kate are getting back together again under the same roof a lot of the miss trust and fans dislike would go away.

    • David Ivey says:

      The show was doing really well until Castle just disappeared before the wedding. That storyline was just dumb. Yet, I was able to put it behind me and ignore it because the writers decided to basically ignore it. It was a stupid storyline, but it wasn’t in your face week after week. This new split-up storyline is in your face every week. It is making the show nearly unwatchable.

      Hey writers (or “showrunners”), you can still write a show after the lead characters become a couple. Plenty of shows have started out with a make and female lead together.

      • Viv says:

        I do the same thing! In my head, Castle got in a car accident going to his wedding and the two months where he dissappeared never existed.

  13. CM says:

    At this point the showrunners are just trying to convince themselves.

    They’re trying hard to sell the “she doing it out of love” Kool-Aid, but they’re not showing on the screen (T-shirts AREN’T enough – meaningful, deep, emotional conversations ARE) and many are not drinking.

    NO story they tell, no matter how much they think fans want to see it (S7 Rick’s disappearance – I’m looking at you), will work.

  14. Lori Anderson says:

    Everything is going to work out fine just like the writers promised. They are still married and will be together very soon. I’m in it for the long haul. Team Castle forever!

    • Disappointed says:

      And you know this how? Do you have insider knowledge?

      • John NYC says:

        Certainly as much as the legion of external doom and gloomers.

        Plus the additional weight if the actual show.

        Remember the instant Haley hate fest because she WAS going to be with whom Rick cheated on Beckett. Or the Vikram hate because was going to suck all the screen time from everyone else?

        All the fantasy doom scenarios just get old yah know?

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Good points.

        • What I know based on the interviews that Hawley and Winter have given is that they think that a happily married couple can never be the main characters of a television show. That’s why I doubt that the “shift” they talk about in “Mr. and Mrs. Castle” will be anything that will bring them close to a reunion just something like the scene at the end of “The Nose” that is supposed to show us something that they expect the fans to settle for until they finally are together sometime just before the end of the series.

    • Nicole says:

      Im sure they will eventually reconnect but that’s not the point. They took what was good about the show and all the history between the characters and ruined it. THey wanted to recapture the magic of earlier seasons but all they have done is ruin the final season for fans. It is not “fun” but strays to far from logical and brings everyone backwards instead of progressing them and the storylines forward in an interested way.

    • The showrunners have NOT promised that they will be back together soon. In fact every hint they’ve given goes towards the opposite. It’s much more likely that they won’t be back together until close to the end of the season, which will probably also be the end of the series.

  15. Betisa says:

    I miss this show, you know?

  16. Claire says:

    Confusing – on the one hand these guys say they want to do something new and different, push the envelope and take the show in an exciting new direction. On the other hand their comments are so vapid and uninspiring it leaves me wondering if they’re floundering around out of their depth. I don’t like what they did but have got to the stage where I wish they’d just own it and say something with a bit of intelligence and passion. Be controversial. Just do it. Don’t recap some weak story about t-shirt sniffing. This story has about as much emotional resonance as a pre-school cartoon at the moment.

    • Claire says:

      On a different tack, I’m looking forward to Adam Baldwin coming back. My politics couldn’t be further from his (Gamergate, nuff said) but I thought he was a stellar guest star back in Season 4. Brilliant in fact. Hoping to enjoy his work on screen in spite of myself!

      • Vanessa says:

        Even if this episode had a healthy amount of Beckett/Caskett in it, I would not be able to watch. Adam Baldwin (politics aside) is a bully. A misogynist bullying jerk, much like the character he plays (really not much acting for him). And for me, he was the worst guest star ever. Definitely not a character I cared to ever see again. Even if the character was a nice guy I would not be able to watch, because the actors ugly bullying personality would get in the way of being able to enjoy the character at all. So yeah, definitely not watching regardless of how much or how little Beckett/Caskett is in the episode.

    • John Z says:

      I totally agree, there is no depth to the show or characters anymore.

    • jahoney1 says:

      What is sad is that as writers these guys have talent. Especially Terrance Paul Winters. He has won major awards for his ability to write, direct,and produce a TV show. I am not writing about people’s choice awards. TPW has won four Emmy awards for his work on the Soprano’s. Once was as an executive producer, two for his ability to write an episode. His forth was when the Soprano’s won best outstanding drama series. He also has a nomination for the best adapted screenplay for The Wolf of Wall Street. He has proven major league talent. That for me is one reason I am surprised by how poorly Castle has been done. Some of Castle best written and best executed episodes have been done by TPW. In my opinion I do not think that TPW is out of his depth. I do think that we are seeing the Peter Principle with Alexi Hawley though. State of Affairs was DOA on arrival at NBC. He was forced out of the show as NBC tried to save the show. The Following tanked and the execution of the show took a dive after he took over as executive producer. As a producer on Body of Proof he helped it along into cancelation. Buck does not stop with him on that completely. I agree with you that one of my biggest problems with this whole contrived story arc mess is that no one taking ownership of it and saying anything intelligent about it. No passion, sophomoric humor, high school writing, and poor execution make it very hard to watch. They took what made Castle great and trashed it.

  17. John Z says:

    Yeah, still not watching. I do however wonder if it break up arc isnt the show runners fault. In bowing to the rumors that NF & SK now cant stand each other, they (the showrunners) were forced to write this awful crap story line as the leads dont want to work together. It would make “sense”. Dont get me wrong, this break up is stupid, all the writing in S8 has been awful and totally OCC, RC is written like a buffoon ,KB like she was in S4. I loved the show, but hate this season. But if rumors are true, then this awful story line, would have a plausible explanation as it was done out of necessity. Sadly should have ended at S7. And now we have insightful marriage counselor Slaughter and showrunner explaining the smelling of shirts, I feel bad for them (all). Sorry if I rambled .

    • L8wrtr says:

      No John, you nailed it. I don’t know whether or not to put any stock in the rumors, but if they’re true, then there simply should have been no Season 8. They had the PERFECT Series finale with Hollander’s Woods. Most shows would kill for a Series finale that wrapped everything up so perfectly. But I don’t care to take stock in rumors. All I have to go on is that they both came back for a show that is built around their characters solving crimes together, so I find it difficult to believe that anyone signed up for a show on the contingency that the two leads are never on screen together, and it just makes more sense that Winters/Hawley are so spectacularly full of themselves and grossly over-estimate their talent and intelligence that this is all falls squarely in their lap.

      • John Z says:

        Hey L8wrtr, thanks for the response. I find your comments to be very insightful and well thought out. You are “on target” with how I have been thinking of the awful mess of a season.
        I also am not one to take rumors too seriously. But earlier this week I have a twitter conversation with a lovely woman and also huge long time Castle fan. She pointed me to tweets of a friend of either Hawley or Winter, defending them. The person defending them basically said, NF and KS refuse to work together more than 1 or 2 days per episode. And that now a days showrunner are becoming the “go-too” scapegoat for blame. She also conveyed a conversation she had had with someone who works on the show ( in one of the services) and how the show had changed as the relationship had soured between NF and SK. That NF had been jealous of SK –> KB story focus. So as an example that is how the RC PI story started ( along with being a device to separate NF and KB) .
        Now this is all rumor, but my instincts are telling me that their is probably a lot of truth behind the rumor. But having said that, that is still NO excuse for this awful season. I am totally with you , Castle should have ended with S7. S8 is a total disservice to the past 7 years, and quite frankly an insult to any fan with an IQ above that of a house plant.
        Also whomever greenlighted this mess, is responsible. If NF/SK are the root cause shame on them, because they are getting paid a lot of money to act, and be professionals. Also shame on whomever allowed them to get away with such behavior. If the network wanted another year, or to “try” and see if Castle could go forward with out Caskett, then shame on them, for being stupid, and I hope they (or who ever TPTB are), that it wont work, Castle is Caskett, NOT RC, NOT NF, NOT KB NOT SK, but Caskett, RC & KB together.
        But if it was just Hawley and WInter thinking they were super smart, that this crap fest was good writing than if that is the case, then they are world class imbeciles. But I happen to think they may be the victims of other’s ego and hubris. Again, just my speculation.
        But either way, not looking forward to next ep or the rest of season, unless it changes course. Also I would hope the network ( that I believe owns the property ) would step in , and compel whomever is the cause of this god awful mess, to correct it. “even on the worst days…… ” you know the rest. Kind Regards, -John Z

        • Gern Blanston says:

          If the Castle PI thing was about NF wanting his own story line due to his jealousy of SK then why would it only have lasted two episodes last season? The actors were only signed through last season so, if he just had to get away from her why do the story for only a couple of weeks and not drag it out until the end of the season? That is why I always question the rumors of strife between the two actors. All of the things that people point to as proof of their intense dislike for each other don’t seem to stand up to much scrutiny.

          • John Z says:

            Um I did say repeatedly it was a rumor, so take it as that.
            Um also, Castle PI is going on in S8, or have you missed Alexis Castle super sleuth and the new secret PI headquarters with sliding book shelf and pop up gun? And when RC is there, hes not at the 12th with KB. Just like in real life, NF is not on the same set as SK. Just saying. Again just my speculation.

          • Gern Blanston says:

            Yes, you did. And that is why my comment was addressing why I didn’t believe the rumors. I have seen them use the PI thing as part of the story in season 8 as I’ve watched the entire season so far, but according to your rumor it was created in season 7 as a way to get Rick away from Stana because they dislike each other. As they were only signed through season 7 and the PI storyline was wrapped up in a couple of episodes last season how could it have been created in season 7 to keep them apart in season 8 and not use it to keep them apart for the remainder of season 7? The reasoning of this rumor doesn’t hold water. Just like the other rumors that I have seen about them not being on the set together. If the story calls for them to not be around each other then why would the writer’s create scenes for them to be together. Instead of actual proof of them having issues with each other the people creating the rumors just play the results to back up what they seem to want to be true.

          • John Z says:

            I would ask you to take a closer look at the back of the heads during a lot of the face to face scenes. Looks like the stand in get a lot of those scenes. Also why write this awful crap break up arc ? For the fans ? Yes because the writers for 7 seasons had no idea why we (the fans) watched. Again a rumor, but from what I have seen so far, looks like may have some truth to it. Again just my speculation.

          • Gern Blanston says:

            It wouldn’t be the first time that television writers couldn’t take the pulse of the viewers. Season 2 of Sleepy Hollow, season 3 of Bones, any TV show where the writers wait too long on the will they/won’t they. I haven’t been thrilled with every episode this season, but I am holding off judging the entire story arc until the resolution. It could wrap up great or it could be crap, but I just don’t think that you can judge a 22 episode story based on 4 or 5 episodes. I think that I read somewhere that both of them negotiated more time off in their new contracts, I could be wrong, but for some reason that is what I recall. Anyway, that would explain why the stand-ins are in those scenes that you are talking about. They can’t be in a scene when it is being filmed on their days off. I’m not saying that its outside the realm of possibility that they no longer like each other. After 8 years its highly possible. I’m ready to kill some of my coworkers after only 6 months working together sometimes. I just think that the “proof” that people have or the observations that people make can easily be explained away. Unlike say, The Good Wife where the two actors didn’t even have stories with each other anymore and that went for multiple seasons, this has been going on for 4(?) episodes and the actors still have stories and screen time in common.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Gern: ” I haven’t been thrilled with every episode this season, but I am holding off judging the entire story arc until the resolution. It could wrap up great or it could be crap, but I just don’t think that you can judge a 22 episode story based on 4 or 5 episodes.”
            .
            That’s just about the wisest, sanest thing anyone has said on this thread. Thanks!

        • L8wrtr says:

          I agree with every single point. Based on how things are playing out, it is absolutely plausible that NF and SK are the seed of the problem and everything spirals out from there, but as you said, regardless of what the flash-point is, every decision about this storyline is terrible. And if F/SK are the true source of the problem and some undeserved heat being is being directed at Hawley/Winter.. it’s still no excuse for the terrible writing we’ve seen (and I’ve read about) this season.
          Regardless of how bad the split idea is, the split itself, how it was handled, and the ‘quality’ of writing has been unforgivable. I can accept that maybe they were put in a bad spot with terrible demands by SK and NF, but there are so many more convincing ways to create a scenario that forces them apart but respects the core of their characters. And then there’s the writing itself. I could only stomach episodes 1-3. I was literally so offended by PhDead that I had to stop watching, and reviews have only confirmed for me that it was the write choice. The writing has just been so terrible, and that’s the thing that really surprises me, even if Winter/Hawley are in over their heads as show-runners, they’ve proven that they’re good writers, so the terrible writing is a real head-scratcher.

          In short, it’s a mess. It’s unfortunate. I has a sad.

          • John Z says:

            L8wrtr, you are totally right, I totally agree the writing and the set up for the break up is truly terrible and been handled poorly. There are fanfics that are much better written with RC and KB even divorcing , but well written and actually compelling. Now we are at the level of ” you can smell she loves me” Oh let me sniff her shirt , cause she loves me. Yes, very sad and shallow indeed. Writing this bad should be a crime.

          • dandan222a says:

            LBwrtr, you are right. Unlike some others, I havent stopped watching–30% of S7 audience have stopped–but I just wanted to add some comments. Today, TNT had ALWAYS (423) and episode 501 on, and it was interesting to see Castle give up on Beckett in 423, while Beckett gave up on Castle in 801-808 and beyond, all for the same reason–In 423 Castle was trying to prôtect Beckett, while in S8, Beckett is trying to protect Castle. The difference in 423 is that the conflict was contained within the episode–and we have no clue in S8 just how long this story arc is going to last. I dont know who decided on this arc, but the audience size is dropping every episode, so by end of the hiatus the audience will drop to ~6M. If this is planned, the showrunners are getting exactly what they want–and ABC will be well within their perview to end the show. I hope that I am wrong, but I certainly wont be surprised when it happens.

          • L8wrtr says:

            dandan.. I have been making this exact same point on multiple threads as this season has ‘unfolded’ (jumped the shark?) but a step further.. not only did Rick draw that line in the sand with a very clear explanation.. after hearing it and thinking about it.. what was Kate’s ultimate reaction? She realized that her obsession wasn’t worth it.. that her feelings for Castle where what really mattered and she set aside the obsession.. she buried it and put it behind her.. they only ended up back on the Bracken case because events beyond their control put them back in the cross-hairs, and so if they were in danger anyway then they had to start investigating again.. so now fast-forward to 802 where Kate is faced with the supposedly same, follow the obsession and risk losing Rick, or walk away from the obsession and into the arms of the one man who has constantly loved and supported her beyond reason, except this time the ‘obsession’ is over a much more convoluted and barely tangental relation to her mother’s murder. Why and how could she put the Bracken behind her but not this? It just doesn’t past the test of plausibility. It instantly rang false to me and my wife, and clearly, to an overwhelming number of Castle fans.
            I think the split is a stupid idea, but if it was going to be done, it needed to be done with a convincing storyline that respects the characters’ histories, and furthers their evolution. This storyline is just insulting.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            I agree that there were many other options for a split scenario that may have been better. Also think that if this one had been followed up better in the next few eps, fans would have been turned around all ready. This business of introducing a serious, dramatic arc only to have it followed by frivolous eps is the problem. It was last year at this time with Castle’s disappearance and it’s the same this year. Before last fall, I can only remember a couple of times I found the discontinuity so jarring, and those are after The Belly of the Beast and Veritas.

          • dandan222a says:

            I have seen at least two instances that Nathan has been available to hype the program on US tv shows. Has there been similar instances where Stana advertised the show on TV? If so, I am unaware of them.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Not that I’ve seen, but I’m not exactly a hound for the types of shows that actors make the rounds on promoting things. I do catch when I can youtube clips of those when they happen, but if SK has done any, the clips haven’t popped up in my feeds which are pretty good at knowing what I’m interested in (thank you big brothers google and facebook :P ).

        • Viv says:

          I agree with everything you said. Rumours… to be taken with a grain of salt, but that would account for this bad storyline and Nathan “not subtle” acting (doing faces, not being charming, not seeming smitten by Beckett). Castle has turned into NF…
          I’ve also noted a lot of stand-in uses…

          • CastleBuzz says:

            You nailed it. Castle now is NF — just take a look at the man’s twitter and IG posts. His “humor” is at the same level as the fart scene in The Nose.

          • Shelley Rands says:

            Absolutely! Both leads are great, especially Stana, but past couple seasons one of them seems to have been channelling the Rodney Dangerfield school of acting. Mugging, bizarre faces and not subtle acting. This is Castle, not CaddyShack!

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Perfectly put, Shelley. You made me laugh with your comparison to Dangerfield. I just don’t understand what happened to the good actor that NF used to be. That actor appears so infrequently nowadays.

    • Coffee says:

      Their actors they don’t want to be kissing each other all the time. They are not romantically involved. They are work colleagues. I do also believe there is some uneasiness between the two too. In real life, SK is married. If she becomes pregnant in real life, they could write that into the show or just fake it. That would help save the show or they should end the show that way. I like the show and will continue to watch it. It’s entertaining. Maybe we need to see jealous Kate again. Maybe Castle plays hard to get. After all, Kate broke his heart yet again. I also like the Slaughter character too. Headhunters is a favorite of mine.

      • L8wrtr says:

        Please… as you said, they are ACTORS. Actors play make believe, and married actors kiss other actors all the time.. and I hate to tell you, they even have intimate scenes in which they simulate sex! It’s their job. But even more to point, they don’t have to kiss all the time. I’m married. I love my wife very very much. We kiss when we’re alone. We don’t make out in front of friends and co-workers, which is where 95% of their time is spent on screen, so please spare us this juvenile excuse that stops being plausible after 6th graders doing Romeo and Juliet .

  18. Craig says:

    I still don’t get why they had to split them up so Kate could go after that Loksat guy? Kate said she could have never caught Bracken without him. If the Loksat guy is even more of a threat than Bracken was how could she take him down alone? Unless she thinks that new guy is better than Castle to do that? She could also be doing it to protect Alexis and Martha but they have been through threats against them before and survived. Also why introduce a new big bad and split them up if they don’t know if they will be picked up for Season 9?

    • CastleBuzz says:

      I doubt Beckett thinks she and Vikram can take the Big Bad down by themselves. I think she wants to get some leads on him/her/it to turn over to Rita (remember Rita gave her a number and secret code phrase to use to contact her). She also probably wants to find out who she can and cannot trust in the AG’s office, the CIA, and the FBI. Vikram is involved simply b/c he was part of the AG team, was targeted by LokSat people in the first two eps, has useful tech talents, and decided to stay with Beckett.

      • jahoney1 says:

        The Kate Beckett of old would have questioned how Vikram knew about her search if he was just a low level tech. The only way I would spin this that makes a little bit of sense is that she is operating with the adage of keep my friends close and my enemies close. She never questioned how she was found so simply at the safe house. She never questioned if she was being played by a master spy. Rita is a CIA operative just like Jackson Hunt. Spies lie for a living that is what they do and she never questioned that. I can suspend disbelief for a while, but a two year old search triggering this makes me shake my head at the whole thing. Because Beckett was on probation because she was a new Captain she should not even have a job right now these very same actions just like in Always should have costed her big time. Suspended Always. Career ending in XX. Even unrealistically as this whole mess of a TV show is right now she will never and should never find out who she can and cannot trust in the AG’s office, the CIA and the FBI they are so far above her pay grade it is not even funny.

        • dandan222a says:

          You are right in so many ways..one specific..when I put in queries into the intel system, and the response went past the fiscal year, I was contacted by phone to see if I still needed the info..reason? budget concerns..good points, all of them..It might have been interesting had the writers done their research on what was real and what was rediculous.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          jahoney1, my take on some of your comments:

          1) “The Kate Beckett of old would have questioned how Vikram knew about her search if he was just a low level tech.” — She did question him initially in the theater, held a gun on him and searched him for weapons. But then the s*** hit the fan when the mini-army of mercenaries came along and she had to make an instantaneous decision to trust him or not. Since he was being shot at too and then never tried to attack her, it isn’t that farfetched she would trust him. He also explained how he came upon the redacted memo and told her he followed up with a search of his own before handing it off to McCord. It was his search that probably set off the alarm and brought LokSat into it all.
          .
          2) “She never questioned how she was found so simply at the safe house.” — Agree on this. How she was followed to the theater was explained, but this was definitely a plot hole. On the other hand, we know the bad guys knew she had been to the prison to see Bracken so maybe they had eyes on her and Vikram the whole time and were just looking for a good opportunity.
          .
          3) “She never questioned if she was being played by a master spy. Rita is a CIA operative just like Jackson Hunt. Spies lie for a living that is what they do and she never questioned that.” — Again Kate didn’t exactly have time or the means to vet Rita. Neither she nor Vikram had weapons on them when Rita came to their rescue. She could have killed them both right then or later, or had them kidnapped if that were the plan. She didn’t. Plus she knew about Jackson Hunt, and since he is an uber spy, her story (though farfetched) would likely ring true to Kate.
          .
          4) “Because Beckett was on probation because she was a new Captain she should not even have a job right now these very same actions just like in Always should have costed her big time. Suspended Always. Career ending in XX. ” — If this were RL, we wouldn’t have a show! It’s too late in the game to expect anything resembling realistic police procedure in Castle. Even on the most realistic crime shows like Law and Order, we’re forced to believe that trials happen within days or weeks of the crime. It’s TV.
          .
          5) “…she will never and should never find out who she can and cannot trust in the AG’s office, the CIA and the FBI they are so far above her pay grade it is not even funny.” — Yes, but it is one of the things I’m looking forward to seeing resolved. Either way I can imagine interesting scenarios. BTW isn’t that what everyone said about her trying to take Bracken down??? And yet she and Castle et al did.

          In the end, I think you either go along for the ride or don’t. I still like to think the showrunners-writers have something worthwhile up their sleeves for those of us who do.

          • Bruno Bailly says:

            CastleBuzz, I posted my take on Beckett’s behaviour after EP2 aired. I believe the mercs were sent to capture and interrogate her before killing her because if you look at the safe house scene when her and Vikram run downstairs they are unarmed and the mercs would have had plenty of time to kill her and Vikram before Rita’s intervention if that was their intent. In Castle’s office when the merc leader came in with his remaining associate,he was pissed and said he would enjoy killing her and would have had plenty of time to do it before Espo and Ryan came out with the tazzers, sme scene the remaining bad guy with the shotgun had major time to kill everyone in the office before Castle intervened. I also believe that Vikram was sent as a more longterm plant to gain info from Beckett and warn Locksat if she is getting too close and needs to be dealt with.Let me explain my take on this.Look at the hangar scene and at Beckett’s behaviour. First a so called low level tech spots a gun in the pilot’s hand and kills him with one shot and shows no emotions after doing that , not very likely. Second Kate has 3 different out of character reactions in the same scene after the shooting, she dismisses Castle’s warning about Vikram outright, she states he can be trusted and shuts castle up with a public display of affection,not likely on all 3. I believe at that point she realizes Vikram is involved with the bad guys and decides to play along to see if she can turn the tables on him eventually. Vikram probably believes he has succeeded in gaining her trust because apparently he has isolated her from all her usual help by becoming her only ally in her quest . As far as Rita goes I have not take on this yet because she really did not play such a big part in this ep I will wait to see if she pops up again later in the season. I agree with your take on Beckett’s probationary status because after all like you said it is a show and not all is true to life.
            To conclude, I have been a fan since day one like most people on these posts and I believe season 8 so far has not been full of angst but for me anyway has been a cruel, unusual and unnecessary form of torture imposed on all viewers to a point that when I watch S1 to S7 eps again which I always enjoyed before I definitely do not feel the same enjoyment anymore after seeing where S8 seems to be heading. Like you however I will go along for the ride to the end because I believe this series can be saved with some rework during the winter break. I do not expect too many positive twists from EP6 since KB will only have one scene in it but I do expect some very positive developments to resolve the split in S7 and S8 . IMO it is the only way to have a majority of viewers return in February.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Bruno Bailly, you’ve given me a lot to think about. Sorry I missed your earlier post.

            1) “I believe the mercs were sent to capture and interrogate her before killing her …” — definitely a possibility except I have three issues with that: a) The mercs came into the theater all gung ho. If they had wanted to capture her, wouldn’t they have used more stealth so as NOT to trigger a gunfight? b) In the safe house scene you mention I thought the laser targets on both Kate and Vikram were still moving when Rita came in and the pause was just to get a cleaner shot, though of course at that distance with their amo the two would have been goners anyway. In Castle’s office the hesitation was two-fold IMO — a simplistic plot device on the writers’ part to give Rick his hero moment with that silly pop-up gun as well as a show of arrogance by the bad guy. The merc actually said that he had never had a more difficult time killing someone as he did Kate, so clearly she was a target to kill. c) I don’t know what they would have thought Kate knew about LokSat if she had never seen the redacted memo before Vikram called her that morning. They would know already that she had been after Bracken at the time of her service in the AG’s office so her request about his link to illegal activities would be explained by that.
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            2) “I also believe that Vikram was sent as a more longterm plant to gain info from Beckett and warn Locksat if she is getting too close and needs to be dealt with.” — again a distinct possibility and one I’ve been mulling over. As for you, the shooting in the hangar raised red flags for me, but I admit your list of reactions as being OOC for Kate did not. I took her quick defense of Vikram as tit for tat for Rick’s defense of Hayley, as a quick way to diffuse the situation as everyone had guns pointed at each other. Vikram’s still an open question for me. He doesn’t seem as though he’s just what he says he is, but to me he’s as likely to be good as bad at this point. If you’re correct, we’re in for some extra special twists.
            .
            3) “To conclude, I have been a fan since day one like most people on these posts and I believe season 8 so far has not been full of angst but for me anyway has been a cruel, unusual and unnecessary form of torture imposed on all viewers …” — I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m disappointed in the showrunners going down this road, especially at the start of a new season that would seem to have had enough new dynamics (Kate being captain, for one) to keep the stories fresh and entertaining. And I’m very annoyed that once they did present us with XY and XX, they didn’t follow it up with the good writing and more serious eps it needed. I too hope the last two eps this fall will carry enough weight and offer enough resolution to keep us all going over the long winter hiatus.
            .
            Thanks for all your observations and for keeping me on my toes…

          • Bruno Bailly says:

            CastleBuzz, good points but here is my response to those. If you think of mercs they are usually combat experienced ex soldiers or special ops therefore lots of training and the tactic to capture is a lot of times the same as to kill which is overwhelm and overpower and don’t forget Beckett only got a flesh wound out of the engagement which is unlikely from these individuals if the intent had been to kill her.
            In the safehouse I agree that yes the AimPoints were still in motion but once those dots are on target that’s where your rounds are going and I am stating this from experience with this type of hardware. As far as the office scene, you make a good point I never looked at it from the point of view of the “simplistic plot device ” and you are probably correct on that one. As for getting info from Kate, don’t forget any shadow criminal organisation wants to remain in said shadows, therefore they may want to find out if any other individuals they do not know about are involved in anything having to do with Vulcan Simmons, Bracken or even their enterprise.
            In the hangar you believe Beckett reacted to diffuse a tense situation , you might be correct but I still believe that Beckett would never dismiss such a warning in a situation like this from Castle at this point in their relationship, she knows him and trusts him too much for that. As for Vikram he is too calm and seems to know way too much about Beckett and how manipulate her to be on the up and up IMO.
            As for the next 3 eps like you I hope something very positive happens to bring Caskett back together as a loving and crime fighting couple.
            Thanks for your response as you also made me rethink a few of my points.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Bruno, my knowledge of mercenaries, their weapons and ammo is zilch — I exhausted it in my last post — so I’ll give you points for that. :):) As for Vikram, your observations have started to make me suspicious of him. I look forward to the next few eps to see if either one of us can pat our self on the back or congratulate the other for such wise predictive powers.

          • Bruno Bailly says:

            Your right time will tell but I think in the end , like most fans we both want this show to get back to what it was and continue for a few more seasons because if written correctly it still has so much potential.

            BTW be reassured I am not a crazy merc , just a military history buff and a firearms instructor.

            One last opinion to throw your way. I am in my fifties and have seen a lot of TV and IMO Caskett is the best TV couple I have seen in at least 25 years on TV . These 2 actors seem to have been paired perfectly from the start due to their personalities and talent and again their on screen chemistry is absolutely amazing except for S8 of course.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Bruno, never in my wildest imagination did I think you were a “crazy merc.” I’m an American History buff — a retired molecular biologist — but I’ve never really picked up on military history except for Gettysburg when I visited the battlefield. Also have never held a gun never mind shot one, although I would like to learn. I’ve got a decade on you and I too have never seen a lead couple with so much chemistry in all those years of TV watching. The two leads and the witty banter and sparkling dialogue reminded me of the very best romantic comedies of the Golden Years of Hollywood moviemaking with Bogart and Bacall, Tracy and Hepburn, Cary Grant and anyone! I hope the showrunners-writers can get us back to that. Fingers crossed.

          • Bruno Bailly says:

            glad to hear that you did not think of me as a merc , just making sure since these days you never really know whom you are exchanging comments with . For the rest of your response you are bang on with your reference to the Golden years of Hollywood .

      • Nope. Absolutely none of what you said has been hinted at. It’s quite clear that she plans on taking him down on her own.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Depends on what you mean by “him.” To me it’s pretty clear LokSat is more than a single person. I also doubt it’s the CIA mole that Rita referred to. The mole is just a player IMO. Bracken’s partner is probably the top dog but he has minions so the entire organization has to be cleaned up and only the feds can do that.

  19. mooshki says:

    It never ceases to amaze me how most TVLine commenters feel the exact opposite of what I do. Beckett? Boo! Slaughter? Yay!

  20. L8wrtr says:

    So here’s the problem. The showrunners continue to talk about this as if it makes sense. As if the actions are logical, consistent and believable. They point to half-assed tid-bits that they leave laying around an episode as PROOF that everything is really okay.. ‘see, she really does love him’. Well yeas you morons, we know that, but she’s not behaving that way. You again point to her wanting to protect him from blow-back on LokSat.. but we’ve watched 7 seasons of Rick constantly being in danger with Kate rarely being overly concerned. Castle has been in the cross-hairs so many times we’ve lost count, not once did Kate break down and say “Oh my god.. you could have gotten hurt.. you could have died! I’m so sorry for putting you in danger!!” That never happened because that’s not the dynamic of their relationship and that Winter and Hawley don’t see that is the basis for what is wrong with this season. It illustrates that they are more interested in forcing the characters to fit within an pre-conceived narrative than allowing narratives to naturally evolve around the nature of the characters.
    They are beyond tone-deaf in reacting to what is causing the plummeting ratings. This show has become un-watchable. Once Cool Boys airs we’ll be six episodes in and total screen time that Rick and Kate share together, actually in the same space at the same time, still won’t even equal one normal episode from seasons 1-7. This is the problem.
    They can talk about why this is so great all they want, but it doesn’t actually make this great. They can talk about how much the two characters really love each other, but it’s not happening on screen. Their job is to make it happen.. on screen.. their writers of a TV show.. they should never, ever.. EVER have to explain what’s going on on their show, what is happening with their characters, and most importantly, why viewers should continue to hang around for the promise of something enjoyable. Their job is to make EVERY episode so much damn fun, so engrossing, so enjoyable, that I want to watch every episode. They are failing at their job. They are failing at their job in a way that is staggeringly impressive. All they had to do was stick to what makes the show work, to what the fans like about the show. Rick and Kate, solving crimes together. That’s it. It’s really.. really simple.. like REALLY simple.
    I can’t decide whether Winters/Hawley are arrogant, ignorant or both.

    • Claire says:

      That’s a really good point actually. I tend to think of the separation as a contrived device (for talent reasons, writer reasons, take your pick) and little more, so the fact that it’s an illogical premise kind of passed me by. But how right you are! Beckett spent 7 seasons barely batting an eyelid at the danger Castle was in with her, despite the fact he has a child. But all of a sudden we hit season 8, arrive at a new case and now she’s worried about his safety to the point of absconding from her marriage. Great point. I wish I knew what writers from past series think of this clusterf***. What an embarrassment! Maybe they just write it off as a talent management issue. Either way, it’s done a real disservice to a great previous 7 seasons. They really were brilliant. Credit to Hawley/Winter for their work on the series prior to this, they wrote some great eps across the years.

      • L8wrtr says:

        Thanks ;). Hawley and Winter may have written some good episodes, so I would at least expect the quality of writing to be up to snuff this season even if the ‘twist’ is a failure, but the writing itself has been equally disappointing in my opinion. From what I’ve read, ‘The Nose’ may be the exception, but even then it couldn’t overcome the black cloud that hangs over every episode and every scene. This season seems to really affirm just how good Marlowe is and how much he should be worth to whatever show he works on moving forward.

    • Kim R says:

      You said it so much better than I did! Could not agree more! :)

    • CastleBuzz says:

      L8wtr: “Castle has been in the cross-hairs so many times we’ve lost count, not once did Kate break down and say “Oh my god.. you could have gotten hurt.. you could have died! I’m so sorry for putting you in danger!!” ”
      .
      That’s just nonsense. First, Kate didn’t recruit Rick. She didn’t command him or force him to follow her. He chose to follow her of his own free will and knew the risks involved since the second ep when he had to sign all the waivers. The fact that he was flippant about them as well as her repeated orders to stay put indicates just how little HE cared about his own safety. Second, Kate has always tried to minimize the danger to him, telling him to stay in the car, in a cleared room, or behind her. Third, when he has been in danger, she’s always been concerned. Think of Cops and Robbers or Number One Fan or dozens of other eps.
      .
      As for your second paragraph, I agree. That is what the writers should be doing. And since both showrunners have proven themselves in the past to be good writers, I’ve come to wonder if these last few eps have been a continuation of the XY perspective. All three have been Castle-centric, all more from his POV. Perhaps we the viewers are supposed to be like Rick right now…out of the loop as far as Kate is concerned…not knowing what she’s up to or completely why. Just a thought….

      • L8wrtr says:

        There is difference between being concerned for his health, vs regret or concern for putting him in harm’s way. When there was a known bomb in NYC and he had the ability to leave and be safe, did she tell him to leave? No, the two of them together went off and hunted the real suspects, very much putting him in danger even if she was in front of him with the gun. When they were secretly trailing Vulcan Simmons, this is clearly a dangerous position to put him in. Trusting him to investigate Bracken at all puts him in a compromised position. They’re entire relationship revolves around her accepting that being associated with her and her line of work places him in harms way. You can talk yourself around it anyway you want but she is a cop. It’s a risk she accepts. Her friends are cops, they are at risk. Rick became her ‘partner’ without a gun and was constantly at risk. She never put him in harms way recklessly, she was always smart enough to say, “Stay behind me” etc.. but she never hesitated about him being involved and in proximity to danger or literally being in a situation where he could get shot/killed. It is part of their relationship.. starting when he was annoying and forced on her.. to when he evolved into her ‘partner’ and well into them being romantically involved. It simply does not ring true to their history that she suddenly now wants to protect him.. protecting him has never, ever been part of their dynamic so forcing it to be part of it now doesn’t ring true, and that is what everyone is reacting to. If you can overlook that inconsistency.. well I’m happy for you.. but whether you want to see it or not, it’s there.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          No inconsistency at all. Now it’s a case of her actions — continuing to investigate LokSat — that could potentially put him in harm’s way. That’s a huge difference than the norm of him partnering her on police cases. Moreover, how you can state that “she never hesitated about him being involved and in proximity to danger or literally being in a situation where he could get shot/killed” with a straight face is beyond me. When didn’t she hesitate? When didn’t she feel guilty when he was at risk? Sure, his persistence in shadowing her and then partnering her wore her down until she accepted his presence and the risk to him, but she never stopped worrying about him or feeling guilty about his involvement. Her first thought when he disappeared on their wedding day was that she was the cause. Enough said.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Straight face because it’s true. Please, prove me wrong, lay down the litany of instances where her concern for his welfare was anything more than “Stay here” or.. “stay behind me” or ever elevated to more than “Are you okay? Whew!” She often expressed a lot of genuine relief that he had survived something, or that they has both survived something, but that is not the same thing as wishing he’d never been in harms way, or regretting that he had been in harms way. Never in the history of the show did she ever consistently demonstrate any serious hesitancy, or reservations about him being in harms way, because if she had, there’d have never been a show. The show’s very core formula is built around, and dependent on him consistently being in danger. So honestly, I don’t know how you can say with a straight face that this is consisnet with her behavior, because if that had been her behavior, there would be no show.
            If you can think of instances that actually do point to this, that demonstrate a clear and consistent desire on her part to protect Castle from harm, I’ll be happy to admit I’m wrong, but I won’t have to, because they never happened. xoxo

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Jeez, you want a litany of instances now? I don’t have the time to go through every ep. :) One that pops into my mind right away is the Tisdale case, where she goes to the extreme of handcuffing him to the car to keep him out of danger. When he gets loose and chases the suspect, what does she do at the end? Shoves him into the wall in anger, frustration and fear. Another scene I recall but can’t place within an ep is one where she tells him he’s not a cop, that he hadn’t signed up for the risk. I have a vague memory that the ep is the dirty bomb two-parter.
            .
            Mostly, though, it’s not ultimately her responsibility to keep him from putting himself into danger. He’s made his choice. All she can do when he tags along is to cover him as best she can. And that certainly increases the danger to herself. It’s a distraction to have to worry about and protect an unarmed partner. In this particular situation with LokSat, it’s Beckett’s own actions — searching online for a connection between Bracken and drugs — that brought about the deaths of five agents and the threat to herself, Vikram, and yes her loved ones. That’s a powerful reason to go above and beyond in trying to keep Rick in the dark. And, before you can object, I agree that it would also have been a powerful reason for her to give up the quest, stay with Rick, and hope for the best (that Rita or others would bring down LokSat). But that would not seem in character to me. I don’t care what she said in Always. Situations change.

    • Georgee says:

      LB I feel they are both, real do not care what the fans want.Fans only get in the way of the bad stories. The thing I do not understand is why Paul Lee has not stepped, unless he fills the same way about the fans. The rumors and lies are just unbelievable this year. If at the end of episode 8 of this year would end up like season 6 episode 16 with Kate asking Rick if she could come home. Just maybe some of the fans would come home, not going to happen.

  21. Fran says:

    I’m still trying to understand how this whole thing makes sense. so far this season, almost all “bad guys” know that they are married, and she goes around calling him babe, she’s making sure everyone knows that there won’t be a divorce that it’s just a “break”. If those simple killers know they’re married, shouldn’t loksat know too…? And again, why does he has to win her back when he has not done anything wrong? it’s funny and ironic that from all the captains the 12th has had, the one to give Castle the boot would be Beckett…

  22. lame says:

    The point of total agrivation is the idiotic idea that by moving out places RC outside the reach of Loksat who already know who he is and where he can be found
    It screams, how dumb do you think your fans are.

    • John NYC says:

      Not out of the reach of Locksat but out of his own danger when he’d start poking around as to what Beckett was investigating at night and then in his ever proven fashion rushing in and getting himself killed. Remember just a few episodes back he dragged his daughter and himself into a sketchy building after a suspected murderer: and was lucky to only be captured and caged. The guy has zero impulse control. Kate isn’t keeping him safe from Locksat by keeping Rick in the dark about her off hours investigation, she’s keeping him safe from himself.

      • lame says:

        The only person known to go running head long at suspects is Beckett, nearly getting herself killed twice.
        You’ve got it reversed.

        • John NYC says:

          The psych experiment where he and Alexis got caged passed you by?

        • L8wrtr says:

          I have to agree on this one. Castle can be stubborn and clueless at times, but he has also proven many times that given perspective he can be very, very controlled and subtle. For example when he convinced Kate to back off looking for the mystery man (before we knew who Bracken was) he very much overcame those urges, and very quietly was running his own investigation without raising any alarms. When he surprised Beckett in DC, he started nosing around where he shouldn’t but once he had his nose smacked withe the proverbial newspaper, he backed off.. it was only the fact the soldier pulled him into the car and exposed him that he got involved.. he knows when to say when, when to dial it in, and when to be stealthy.

          • lurker says:

            Sorry, what investigation was he conducting at the time? Of all that secret investigation all we saw was him writing a couple of lines on a piece of paper, and his flat TV with the screen of all the people involved, that he demonstratively deleted in Always. That secret and subtle investigation went nowhere. Smith have found Castle, not the other way around.

          • Fred Bloggs says:

            He only backed off temporarily. Near the end of the episode he was ramping up his investigation of the ghost base and he was only stopped because the men in black came and took him away. Who knows where his investigation would have taken him if they hadn’t stopped him? He doesn’t know when to back off – his disappearance unbelievably excepted. He only makes token gestures toward doing so.

          • L8wrtr says:

            Um… did you watch the same episode? He had fully and completely stopped.. he was walking along, groceries in hand, completely done with the investigation per her request…. then he got kidnapped at gunpoint… so yeah, after he was released, because he had been assaulted, he asked about what the guy said to him, but he had been told.. STOP.. so he stopped. He was pulled back into it by forces beyond his control… if Beckett confided in him that she believed Hyde was set-up and that she wanted to continue the investigation quietly, one of two things would happen.. 1) He’d say okay, and he’d be super cautious, like when they would tail Vulcan Simmons together where he was pissed that she did investigating on her own, without back-up etc.. or 2) He’d do a repeat of when he told Beckett to stop investigating Bracken (before they knew it was Bracken).. he’d tell her choose me, or your obsession, but if you do your obsession, I’m walking away.. and at least that would be F’N honest.. and he could move on.. right now she’s deprived him of that and is slowly digging her 6″ heels into his chest episode by episode.

          • Fred Bloggs says:

            Then he told the guys about it, learnt about Dreamworld and ghost bases and started investigating those. Still the same case. Still investigating.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            L8wrtr: “…right now she’s deprived him of that and is slowly digging her 6″ heels into his chest episode by episode…”
            .
            What season 8 eps are you watching? So far I’ve seen Castle be “comforted” by his new toy, Lucy, told repeatedly by Beckett that she still loves him, have fun in his new PI office and playing a professor who attends frat parties, be assured of his animal magnetism by The Nose, and in the promos for the next ep run around town, stealing cop cars, with his new buddy Slaughter. All the time mugging for the camera. He’s having a grand old time. What I haven’t seen is much anguish or pain that 6″ heels slowly dug into his chest would, should, create.
            .
            Of the two options you present the second is not plausible at this stage of their relationship. You don’t present ultimatums like that to a person you supposedly love. It’s blackmail. He might suggest therapy again, recognizing her guilt over her colleagues deaths, but to threaten to leave….just no. IMO she was heading toward your option one before she spoke to Rita on the street in XX. It was Rita’s comments about her relationship with Jackson Hunt, the need to be separate from loved ones and he fact that any deaths from now on if Kate investigated would be on her. I think that changed Kate’s mind and the only way she could achieve a bit of separation and protection for Rick was to leave him. Wrong? Perhaps. But I do think that’s the state of her mind.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Thank you, John NYC. We New Yorkers think the same.
        .
        Lame — Beckett is a NYPD homicide detective. It’s her business to run after suspects. Maddox was over the top, but even she admitted that to both herself and Rick. As for Rick, he not only goes head long into situations without knowing what’s going on but he’s been running after suspects since Season 1 Episode 1 — you do recall him running shoeless down the alley after an armed murderer?

        • lame says:

          He’s not stupid, he knew the safety was on, which makes him more observant than Beckett.

          • lame says:

            Also makes him more clever, he was able to get a full congrddion.

          • lame says:

            A full confession

          • lame says:

            Also makes him more clever, he was able to get a full confession

          • CastleBuzz says:

            LOL. He certainly couldn’t have known the safety was on when he was running down the alley. He only saw that after he was grabbed when the gun was two inches away from his eyes. Beckett was several feet away, with her vision blocked. So there goes your “more observant” theory. As for him getting the confession, how do you figure that? It was her gun pointing at the suspect that made him spill his guts.

          • lame says:

            Are we talking about the same scene? RC is a master sharpshooter, he’d know how a pistol is set. Now who kept telling Beckett to hold off while he questioned Harrison Tisdale why he had killed his sister. Further more who disabled Harrison Tisdale, leaving Beckett with vertually nothing to do.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            A master sharpshooter? Now you really have me LOL. This is one of the biggest inconsistencies across the seasons. Is Rick an excellent shot or not? Sometimes he is, other times he’s not. Sometimes he can catch a gun in mid-air and take out a mercenary and sometimes he bumbles drawing a pistol on a gunslinger in a saloon. I don’t think we can make a definitive conclusions about his skill with guns. Certainly, they are no better than Beckett’s.
            .
            As for getting Tisdale, it was a joint effort. Together they bring the bad guys down.

          • lame says:

            Ha,ha,ha,ha, a joint effort.?
            KB tells RC if he can get any of his next five rounds in the center ring she’ll let him have the pictures of the stolen jewelry. He promptly pumps all five rounds dead center, only a master sharpshooter can do that in rapid fire, and if you disagree you’ never fired a handgun. (home is where the heart is)

          • L8wrtr says:

            and there is a huge difference between being a sharp shooter and a quick draw. You can be the fastest draw this side of Texas, and still not hit the broad side of a barn ;)

          • CastleBuzz says:

            lame, you’re appropriately named.

          • lame says:

            Thank you, that’s an appropriate end to a weak argument .

          • lurker says:

            You mean he knew the safety on the suspect’s gun was on while he was running through the alley after that suspect?

          • lurker says:

            Sorry, haven’t seen CastleBuzz’s comment on knowing and running down the alley. In all honesty I think it’s about time that they make Castle into a police captain or a commissioner. He’s got all the necessary skills and attributes. Just watch him when he conducts his own investigations as a PI, even if he’s forced to falsely introduce himself as detective Ryan giving Ryan’s badge number. (Hey, what are friends for?) Theories could get you just so far.

  23. Barbara says:

    Sorry, still haven’t watched since the second episode and I’m not reading anything that will get me watching again anytime soon. Expecting this to be the finale season of the show since the showrunners are clueness. Hart to Hart ran for years but this show has no idea how to write for a couple so created this idiotic / illogical breakup.

  24. Danni says:

    I refuse to watch again until they get back together. The storyline is stupid and unrealistic for a show that has pushed the envelope way to far for so a many times. I’ve always gone along with Kate and Castle on their crazy cases but the show runners need to bite the bullet, admit they made a huge mistake and FIX IT (in my Keenan Thompson voice) before they end the series on a crappy note. Ps: I’ve been a loyal fan watching since day 1 and I just can’t do it this season. Stop the madness!! The emperor has no clothes on no matter how much you try to sell me.

  25. Luli says:

    if they wanted to bring back guest stars they should have brought back Agent Shaw, or Maddie or someone good. Not Slaughter. Nothing against his portrayer, but I hate his character.

    • Fred Bloggs says:

      Considering the level of writing in this season (bad, in my opinion) do you really trust them to do justice to a character you like?

  26. That One Mean Girl says:

    Yes, I’m sure Slaughter is a guy that Castle should ask for relationship advice. Because he proved himself to be such a stable guy, with such stable relationships, and no pig-like tendencies at all. They were so close when they parted last time, it’s obvious that Slaughter is totally the PERFECT guy for Castle to ask for help, when he has Ryan and Esposito RIGHT THERE. I mean, it’s not like either of those guys know his relationship with Beckett better than Slaughter does.

  27. Linda Giza says:

    Slaughter…..the man that lusted after Alexis and got punched by Rick,the guy that wanted to have sex with Kate …..let’s ask him for help.Again the character assassinations done this year are amazing,Rick does not research why Kate left,plays a clown in every episode,let’s his daughter dress as slutty angel and go into a frat party….the boys are shooting each other and the writers can only come up with more plot lines to make the world hate Kate.
    We should have known this was going to be bad when the former show runners left,the have split up a couple that with the right writers could have been on for years,instead they break them up because they have no clue how to do their jobs.
    Fun episodes…..am I having fun yet? Come up with a miracle,light some candles cause you will need it dear writers and show runners to make Caskett whole again.I do not think you can do it.

  28. Teri says:

    When Kate comes clean as to why she did the separation, I hope it is a scene fans are greatly owed. Caskett is sacred and all we want is them together. I will be watching with open arms.

    • CM says:

      That will never happen.

      It would mean that the writers have explain her (their) actions. And even they know the reasoning unexplainable.

      When they get back together, in the second to last episode of the season, Rick just takes her back.

  29. Anonymous says:

    I find it very interesting that Stana Katic has been uncharacteristically silent about all of this. She has historically been a big Caskett proponent, and has given intelligent and thoughtful interviews about Kate’s motives, flaws, etc. No more. Her silence these days is deafening.
    .
    Instead we get these doufous show runners spinning their excuses for this crappy season every interview they do, and even Nathan Fillion going against his own past history and saying something decent about Castle. That is when he’s not trying to convince us it’s a comedy. Heck, it got nominated in Davorite TV Crime DRAMA category. Read your own or ABC’s press releases for God’s sake.
    .
    This train wreck of a season just keeps happening – a nightmare most of us fans can’t wake up from. Never seen anything like this where TPTB and the cast involved are in such blatant denial. I fear what the ratings for this next episode will look like on Tuesday. Can’t believe it won’t be brutal. No Beckett, jack–s Slaughter is back, and clueless Castle continues to show up and act like an idiot. His character used to be smart. WTH happened?
    .
    Whoever said earlier in these threads….that this show has become unwatchable….nailed it!!

    • Just one thing says:

      Yes, her silence is very telling. And when you look at her past behavior, it has happened two times before:
      1.) After the dreadful Wedding That Wasn’t
      2.) When the series started transitioning into high-gear PI mode
      .
      After Julianna Margulies and Archie Panjabi addressed the infamous green screen saga, one TV reporter tweeted her shock that the actresses violated “the gag order” – not only suggesting that the actresses were told never to talk about the topic in interviews, but also that TV reporters KNEW about said gag order and chose to embargo themselves.
      .
      All that to say, I wouldn’t be surprised if the same situation were happening here. The press covered Castle’s contract negotiations last spring with an unprecedented fervor, and I don’t think it was JUST for the clicks. Perhaps they smelled blood.

    • Anonymous 1 says:

      Anonymous ,I agree not just Stana but the whole cast.She was a big proponent of Caskett now she fell silent as did Molly etc. The only interview was from Nathan on the late show and he was kinda sly and avoided Kimmels questions.They may have a gag order ,but fans are fading fast .I also foresee a ratings disaster for next episode.

      • David says:

        There was Fillions “Are you high ” comment but agree the silence is very telling. Particularly when you can pick up a phone and in 5 minutes direct your PR guy to give a paragraph or 2 feel good blurb to the media about Castle. K/F don’t even have to do it together they can phone it in..
        Very telling.
        I guess it’ll come out after the series get cancelled like when ST Enterprise was.
        Blalock came out and said how appalling the finale of Enterprise was but she was under contract not to say anything while filming. It’s easy enough to google that :)

        I don’t hold hopes for Castle existence as I’m expecting it to get axed which is a shame because I was a die hard Castle fan right up till S7 and now I just read the reviews. Oddly enough no more room on my DVR for Castle ;p
        Season 8 worst season ever…

  30. annek says:

    Never fail to disappoint with these interviews – fun, fun. Seriously? Slaughter, the slimeball? I ask once again Mr Hawley, if u want viewers, please stop talking.

    • jahoney1 says:

      Alexi Hawley is to arrogant to know any better. He “left” Castle over “creative differences” with Andrew Marlowe and Teri Miller about Castle and Beckett becoming a couple. He took the TV show The Following and drove it’s 18-49 demos rating into the ground which cause Fox to cancel the show. He got run off of State of Affairs on NBC which he created, but could not show run what so ever. NBC let him go after 13 episodes. It got cancelled at the end of the season. He is currently driving Castle straight into the ground. Losing 1/2 a million dollars per episode if not more in advertising revenue. A 25 percent drop in the demos ratings. Castle’s is currently dead in the water. He is not going to stop talking. He placed a gag order on the entire cast.

      • john z says:

        Do you work in the industry, as you seem to be very knowledgeable as to the finances of the show. If so, what are the odds, of ABC stepping in to fix this mess ? It (Castle) seemed to be a cash cow, with a steady and loyal fanbase. Now we are a strung out and long suffering pissed off fan base, who wants the show fixed. Money always talks. Any chance, or should we just all find other show , not run by imbeciles or divas ?

        • lindag413 says:

          I did not know that Hawley had left over creative differences on Caskett becoming a couple.
          This is disturbing to me because the breakup would make more sense,he did not want them to be a couple…..BAM no longer a couple.How could the powers that be let someone who had this chip on their shoulde become the showrunner?Did they not see this coming?
          No wonder the others left,they knew and bailed….we were the ones left.
          If this is in fact true do we ever see them back together?I think we will be strung along with people dropping off like flies,no reunion and more separate stories.
          I love this show but it’s like watching someone fading fast and there is nothing I can do to help.
          Sad.

          • dandan222a says:

            I had no clue about why he left..seems to me that given the history, and apparently not impacted by the 30% loss in viewership, this angst-making story arc makes sense. The LENGTH of the story arc, which has done a lot to drive viewership away, apparently isn’t an issue either. While 806 was funny, and had some great lines, the ..drip..drip..drip of info regarding the breakup did create much angst..just like the showrunners wanted. Thanks for your insightful comments..

          • dandan222a says:

            So–we have a real ‘soap opera’ going on–showrunners who have a history of not wanting the main stars being together, in fact was willing to lose their job over this fact–and two stars who apparently don’t want to be together on set? Why then did they re-sign? I know the money is great, but both stars are accomplished actors. And all the while, the fans suffer from lack of good series focus (showrunners), and actors temperament..so sad. No wonder the projections are that this is the last year….Well, time to look for another favorite program…

  31. Waleed says:

    Oh “fun”. Ugh!
    Remember when the show was about #Caskett – their banter, fun & teasing moments, coming close and solving cases. The reasons we watched the show.
    Tell me if u find any of it now.

    Now we have like 5 to 6 min of #Castle & Beckett scenes together in a 42 min show.

  32. Linda says:

    I am also not one to put much stock (usually) in “rumors” but there is some truth to the old adage: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck! Whatever the cause, the facts are that Nathan and Stana no longer do PR or interviews together, and have not for some time. Other series with co-leads often do interviews together and PR spots for their shows. And I am speaking of shows that have been on for longer than Castle. They maintain a camaraderie and professionalism that appears to be lacking on Castle.

    It is becoming painfully obvious that the showrunners and writers strain to give them separate scenes, and keep them apart as much as possible. The effort is muddying the waters and casting a pall on the appeal the show enjoyed. This goes against the very aspect of the show that made it popular in the first place – the “chemistry” between the characters and at least initially the actors. Actors are supposed to be professionals, not petulant children. I am a longtime fan of the series, but despite its title, the show has always been about the interaction of the two leads. I agree with those who have posted that it would have been better to end the show at the end of Season 7, tied up in a neat little bow! Agreeing to tackle an eighth season, and failing so badly thus far, seems to indicate that they are all just in it for the money, and that is sad and unfair to the fans!

  33. JImN says:

    Fillion and Katic need to be together speaking great dialogue in the face to face scenes that marked earlier seasons.

  34. Yoa says:

    If it really is true what they say. We not see caskett together to 8×18

  35. Mari says:

    I’m just besides myself how bad Castle is if they don’t like each other end the show or have 2 different shows every other week could be Nate then Stana but this is beyond bad. It’s too bad that can’t put their differences aside for the sake of the show. Or maybe they just need a better writer!!

  36. Dr. M says:

    Anyone else think that gap we had was studio mandated to retool/recut things? Considering the fan outcry and rock bottom ratings, the new show runners have to be hearing about it from above.

    • Claire says:

      Not sure – I read an interesting discussion on Reddit’s Castle page about how once a season is plotted out, there’s pretty much no going back halfway through. Seems a bit strict and inflexible to me, but the person there seemed to know what they were talking about. I wish the execs would seriously re-consider their misguided approach but think it’s rather unlikely!

      • Just one thing says:

        It really depends on the type of show and all the network/platform.
        .
        Alexi Hawley’s brother Noah runs a show that, thanks to its style and the fact that it’s a cable series, breaks down every one of the 10 episodes before going to production. Every nuance, every nod, every detail is worked out along with the show’s theme.
        .
        Most broadcast shows don’t have that luxury, but the showrunners may have free reign to dabble in long-term story arcs that lend themselves to a more serialized storytelling experience, vs. standalone. (Think The Good Wife, The Blacklist, Scandal, HTGAWM, with perhaps Quantico and Blindspot likely having most of their first season broke completely before shooting.)
        .
        For most cable shows, the episodes are all shot and in the can well before the first episode airs. So, in that respect, no there’s no going back. .
        .
        Because a lot of broadcast shows start in the summer, it’s hard for them to course correct by the fall if something isn’t working, but it’s not impossible. After all, they have the holidays to work out the second half of the season – especially if they get a hint of what their likelihood of renewal is.

    • lame says:

      The studio is continuing to film episodes they’re just not airing them. The studio has final approval of the scripts so they have to be done at least four weeks beforehand . They’re filming episode eleven or something in that neighborhood right.now.

      • Claire says:

        This is what the guy posted – sounded plausible to me: “Writers might take into account how the fans feel about a series’ direction between seasons, but in the middle of one? Not a chance. Stories are plotted, arcs are worked out, and writers are booked long in advance of airing. Other than minor rewrites for later episodes and editing to cover continuity errors and the like there’s very little room for change.
        Honestly, though, I’d rather ride out a bad season than try and stick my oar in and force the writers to change things: having someone frantically re-write a story arc last minute is just going to make things even worse.”

        • L8wrtr says:

          And this has been my point since they aired the teaser for PhDead after XY. Between the out-of-character choice of Becket at the end of XY, and the revelation that Castle was going to ‘Win her back’ rather than figure out why she left, and try to force a smiling, bumbling Castle through ‘happy, fun’ episodes, I knew the writing was on the wall. They had comitted to a story arc that was impossible for me to enjoy, literally it was clear from that moment, and my fears were totally and completely reinforced when I watched PhDead. There was no derailing this train because I knew this is exactly how shows are done, the roadmap had already been drawn up on a giant white board in some meeting room, each episode’s details, the specific story, how much of the bigger LokSat plot was going to be pushed forward in each episode, the sub-plots, how much Rick and Kate time in each episode, the ‘tone’ of each episode, were all locked in before the first episode were aired, and it was painfully obvious that the plot line that they had embarked on was had to, by logical design play out over a long time this painfully vapid dynamic of Kate being a selfishly ignorant moron, and Rick being a love-sick, whipped puppy, with the dark cloud of them not being together hanging over very forced and contrived ‘light’ episodes.
          How anyone involved in the development of this season didn’t see this as an absolute ratings train-wreck is truly stunning. It’s just sad and depressing.

  37. Luli says:

    They need to stop with this “fun” interviews for a while….

  38. Blurgh says:

    Not thrilled about Slaughter’s return. Why would Castle want to confide in a jerk like Slaughter?

  39. jahoney1 says:

    I have a bit of a head scratcher. Why would you give AH one of ABC’s top performing shows when in the last three years he has had two failed attempts at show running. This next part I do not know if it is true or not. I have read several articles and forums that have stated that AH left Castle because of creative differences between AM and himself. Namely the development of a personal relationship between Beckett and Castle. AH and TPW talented writers under AM direction, but seem to not have the talent to run their own show.
    Marriage issues, Beckett being an addict, and even a story line about Bracken’s having a partner do not bother me all that much. My issues comes from the lack of execution, the poor writing and planning that plays out on screen. The contrived feel of this whole set up. The illogicalness of this and the throwing away of seven years of character development to reboot a show that while stale around the edges still had plenty of life left in it. Reboots only work if the reboot maintains a close relationship to the previous mythology and characters of the show and or movie. Castle has gone from an easy money maker to a show that for ABC may break even. Sadly I would not be surprised if they do not come back from the winter break. I would be very surprised if a season 9 were to be announced.

    • lame says:

      ABC has contracted for twenty-two episodes, and that’s what will be filmef.
      ABC had thought this season wound have the same ratings as last. It came as a shock to them to see 6.75 mil viewers and a 1.2 demo. It was a shock to everyone involved in the production. That’s probably why their twitter accounts have fallen silent.

      • jahoney1 says:

        The 6.75 million viewers and the 1.2 demos is bad for a show, but it is not deadly for a show. A 25-30 percent drop in the 18-49 demos group can be very dangerous for a show. I would agree that could be part of the reason that the social media accounts have gone quiet. I also suspect that a gag order was put in place because of the backlash and the major ratings loss and money loss that Castle has become. Seeing a lot of spin being put into place.

        • lame says:

          Yeah, I agree with you on that point, and also because some of the tweets were sounding almost hysterically desperate.

    • L8wrtr says:

      *insert slow clap here*. You have nailed it.

  40. jj says:

    Have not watched since end of episode 2. I expected more from the new showrunner. There are plenty of good stories to tell without separation. This storyline is ridiculous. And no, it is not a good storyline.

  41. Leia says:

    Can I just say that it’s really been sad to see that a couple married what only a yr can’t cut it on tv, what do the writers have against happily married, is that some how booooring?

    • prish says:

      I think you nailed it, to some creative types it’s become the new boring, so smash away I guess. They are not the ones left with the heartbroken fans at the homefront. At least, they could share communications from fans that love what they are doing. Maybe, we could appreciate the art, that way.

    • lindag413 says:

      I agree with you,they felt they could not write for a married crime fighting and fun couple.
      They could have shaken things up without this,they could have them fighting the evil forces as they have done so well in the past without giving everyone a labatomy and acting like we are in another AU episode.The show has always been great when the cast works as a team.Bring back the “freaky”cases as was brought up in the very first episode.Bring back our awesome couple formerly known as Caskett.

  42. mike says:

    This whole thing is just so absurdly ludicrous and contrived its virtually unwatchable. I really hope this is the last season because even though I do love the show and I’ve seen every episode, the “writers” have clearly run out of ideas

  43. rhondajaeger says:

    Season 4 IMO was a great season, no they weren’t together but it was clear they wanted to be. These guys are not new to the show. They were there for the previous Slaughter episode. Check the credits from earlier seasons. They are not breaking the show, trying to repair it. Also in my own opinion (my obvious right), season 5 was okay and season 6 had it’s moments. Season 7…ugh jist do not get me started. Season 8… YES!! And not because they are apart, yes I like them together but not the way they were together. But she still tells him she loves him, touches his face, calls him babe, and cries over not being with him. She feels she is doing this for the right reason, his step mom basically told her that. She is obsessed over anything to do with her mom’s murder and anyone involved. So in saying the new guys messed it up, they aren’t new at all. I have been watching old seasons and some of my favorites were written by on of the new show runners. Be patient, too many viewers ran when things weren’t going their way. They say no divorce and it will work out, they never said it would work out in the next episode or even the next. Buy how many jumped ship because it took all of season 4 to get them together? They aren’t living together buy they are kind of together. They won’t have another season because too many want the show to cater to them. Give it time and if you wait until they are back together to watch, don’t blame the show runners or writers for the cancelation. It will be the fault of petty so called fans.

    • Castlefan says:

      I respect this viewpoint and am also staying with the show until the end, but for me the problem is not the specific stroyline: it’s the fact that I feel it has not been well done and is just not fun to watch. There are some great writers on the team and I like many of the actors, but less dedicated viewers can’t be expected to spend an hour every week watching something they’re just not enjoying. You’re absolutely correct that the writers shouldn’t be catering to the specific demands of fans, but they do need to make a show that’s enjoyable to watch if they want to hold on to the less committed viewers.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Yup!

      • lame says:

        Castle fans waited 6 years for the big payoff, the wedding, only to have Marlowe do a Lucy and pull the foot ball away from Charlie at the last second. After years of angst and numerous boy friends that final gotcha was the last straw for many fans, and I can’t blame them. Marlowe could have copied Irwin Shaw’s Rich Man,Poor Man, had the celebratory wedding and that evening when Caskett were about to have their big night, the abduction happens. The impact would’ve been the same if not greater and not betrayed those who’d waited 6 seasons. But Marlowe couldn’t resist pulling the rug out from under fans. The result was the unbelievable firestorm of rage.

        • lame says:

          And in the big picture the loss of half the viewers and more importantly half the demo, leaving the series in a precarious position.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Agree, lame, on this scenario for the wedding/abduction. I always thought the impact on the characters, especially Kate, as well as the fans would have been greater had Rick’s disappearance happen just after the wedding.

    • L8wrtr says:

      Why would I be patient with someone who is serving me garbage? And yes, they should cater the fans by delivering on the same quality product that we’ve come to expect. I would not be patient with a restaurant that continues to serve me undercooked, poor quality food that was disgusting to eat. Every episode of this season that I watched was horrible, and the write up of every show, and the supporting teasers all continue to demonstrate that it is still just as horrible.. so why? I have much better things to do with my television watching time than sit and watch a show that isn’t just bad in its own right, but all the more painful given that I know how good it should be. If you can watch this and actually like, it, well you’re one of a very dwindling group of people. The ratings don’t lie.. the show has alienated their fanbase. This show deserves to be cancelled both because of how horrible it has become, and because the show that was (Seasons 1-7) and the characters that were, deserve more then the vapid and shallow shells that are being put on screen now.
      Enjoy your season 8. If you honestly think this is better than Season 7, I cannot imagine what the sky looks like in your world.

      • lame says:

        As I’ve said before the writer lost their vision of following in the footprints of Nick and Nora Charles , those happily married sleuths.
        How different season 8 might have been.

    • jahoney1 says:

      I get your view point and respect that it is your own opinion, but don’t be insulting to people who disagree with you. The average viewer is not going to sit through an hour of poorly written and poorly executed TV. They will watch one week decide they do not like it an never watch again. Were I very much disagree with you is that the drop in ratings from XX to now is because of the show runners and the writers. The buck stops with the show runners not producing a show that is enjoyable to average viewer, not just the dedicated fan. The average fan ran and the dedicated viewer got concerned because the writing was poor, the execution was poor and the major reason for the success of the show was just put up on the chopping block.

  44. dandan222a says:

    Lisa–Different showrunners, some of the same writers, in fact the current showrunners wrote some of the previous episodes..Angst in the story arc is good, but that a story arc lasting more than a few episodes impacts the audience in a very negative way. We already have seen the impact of extended story arcs (Alexis and Pi, Castle P.I.) on the audience, and we’re seeing a similar impact with this epic story arc (epic=story arc longer than 12 episodes-my definition). The audience waited for 4 seasons to get CASKETT together, another season till they acknowledged they were together, another season plus until they were married, and now at least a half season (?) getting them back together. It would seem prudent that IF the showrunners really care about the audience, there would be shorter story arcs, and the focus would be back on using the team in harmonious relationships, and letting the focus be on ‘us vs them’, not ‘him or her acting independently’ story lines.

    • L8wrtr says:

      YES!. And to further expand on that point, let’s look at the previous successful long arcs that have defined the show, the two most obvious ones are Bracken, and 3XK and to a much more subtle but important degree, the source of Rick’s obsession with the macabre.
      Bracken was Beckett’s ghost and we learn of it from the first episode when Castle ‘reads’ her in the interrogation room and it is so perfectly weaved through out each season, it was nearly a clinic in how to push a long-term arc while allowing each isolated episode to stand on it’s own. Sometimes the ball was moved forward just a tiny bit, sometimes it took an entire episode to move it and then return to the ‘formula’.
      3KX is introduced in Season 3 and though there was no background on him before, by the end of the episode he is instantly Castle’s nemesis and again, that ball is moved brilliantly forward over several seasons.. left to simmer then pop up again at the right time..
      Hollanders Woods, the season finale was absolutely brilliant imo because while 3XK was Castle’s nemesis, the masked killer was Rick’s ghost, and they actually teased him several times over the previous 6 seasons.. always in small things where Rick and Kate teased about where his fascination came from, but you always knew there was a story there somewhere, just out of reach for us but hoping we’d get the story some day, and oh how it paid off, perfect Series finale since the show is ‘Castle’ and it was him solving the murder that set him on his trajectory.
      What do all of those great arcs have in common? They were brilliantly set up, they were authentic and true to the characters, and they were given time to simmer and develop.. never too fast, never forced.. just right…
      Then after two episodes of chaos at the beginning of Season 8 we get some convoluted story, crudely scaffolded onto TWO completed story arcs that were done and put to rest. Both the Bracken and DC storylines had run their course. Reviving them and mashing them together came off exactly as it was, contrived, forced and artificial. All the fans felt it. This wasn’t organic in any way, and because this twist came out of left field with no time to simmer and develop, Kate’s insane overreaction feels completely insane and unreal. It just begs the question of WHY? Why would she do this. The writers can say “Kate’s Obsession” all they want, but it just doesn’t ring true because it came out of nowhere. And just like the accelerated rate at which she reaches this critical decision.. leave her husband, we know that at present there is only one Season signed, so that means that this arc HAS to be resolved this season, both because you can’t count on Season 9, AND it has to be resolved in order to get them together again.. but at the same time the story is so ‘big’ that you can’t just fix it in two episodes. So now we have an arc that came out of nowhere, that wasn’t allowed to develop in an organic way, forcing actions and behaviors that are unbelievable.. and THAT is ultimately what is driving the fans away. The execution of this plot idea is comically amateurish.
      Personally, no matter what I would have disliked any storyline that splits them up, but if you’re going to do it, respect the show. Respect the history. Respect the fans. This is garbage, and they should have known better; the showrunners, the actors, and the network.

      • lame says:

        What’s truly disturbing is the studio having final say, and they okayed this trainwreak.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        L8wrtr – your analysis of earlier arcs, especially Bracken and 3XK, is spot on. “They were brilliantly set up, they were authentic and true to the characters, and they were given time to simmer and develop.. never too fast, never forced.. just right…” I so agree. Incredible writing and so intertwined with the development of the main characters. Brilliantly done.
        .
        I’m not as much a fan as you are of the arc regarding Rick’s interest in murder and the macabre. After Hollander Woods, I couldn’t help but wonder why once Rick got so involved in the NYPD and so close to Kate he wouldn’t have confided in her. It could have been a great arc for season 7 — Bracken’s taken care of in Veritas, let the wedding go forward in 6×23, and have something on their honeymoon or back in NYC in early season 7 bring back memories of Hollander Woods. It could then be a cold case that Kate and Rick solved together, a little bit at a time until the ep that resolved it. Hollander Woods was also diluted for me by all the other “reasons” presented over the course of the show for why Rick wrote. By the time they got to the “real” answer, I no longer cared. Still is was a good ep and would have served nicely as the series finale.
        .
        I also agree with your take on this new arc. If they had to do it, it would have been much better to have had a few eps of season 8 under their belts that helped lead up to it. And once they did it, they needed to follow it up seriously, not with nonsense eps like 3-6. I’m just hoping 7 and 8 do something to propel this story forward. I think – hope – there’s still time to salvage the story, the characters, and the show, but it’s going to take good, clever writing and excellent acting. We shall see…

  45. cej says:

    Adam Baldwin!!!!

  46. Ro says:

    I still find the show entertaining, but they never should have gotten married…

  47. Jake says:

    ” In Wake of a ‘Powerful Moment,’ Rick Is ‘Definitely Relieved’ ”
    Sounds like the tag line from a laxative commercial….

  48. Castlefan says:

    After 7 years I can completely understand why the actors would want shorter hours, but the writers need to find another way to compensate for this. They got rid of Gates who I feel could have been interesting and fun, and we’ve still hardly seen Lanie in 5 episodes (with no Perlmutter either), while Alexis has been wrongly (IMO) pushed as a main character. Then there’s Hayley – who I actually like – but long term viewers are never going to be as invested in her as they are with characters we’ve watched for years. If they can’t make the fill-in characters interesting enough I’d rather see 10-13 really good episodes with the leads participating fully. (I would of course accept 5 episodes of solid Martha, but that’s not going to happen!)

    As for the split, I’d have accepted it if it was done better. During the Washington episodes at the start of S6, for example, I thought Castle was acting like such a moron that I was fully expecting Beckett to dump him. I don’t want to watch romantic scenes all the time – I find it tedious – but I absolutely need to see witty banter between the 2 leads which has been at the heart of the show since episode 1. I’ll accept any storyline if it’s well-written and fun to watch; unfortunately so far this one has not been. Ep 5 had some more fun elements, but they had to spoil it with vulgarity and that’s just not my sense of humour – or Castle’s in the past.

    Slaughter is not a character I’d have chosen to reprise as his previous episode is one of only two eps I choose not to watch if I’m having a run through the whole series (4×20 and 4×21). To be fair to Slaughter, the reason I don’t like those eps is primarily that the two leads are hardly ever together – but that’s the problem with the whole of season 8 to date. I will stick with Castle to the end but have not yet decided whether I’m watching this particular episode. I’ll watch the Beckett scene and anything with Martha, and make my decision on the rest based on reviews.

    I obviously have no idea how well or otherwise the 2 leads get on. Prior to Castle I had never heard of either of them so can go purely on what I’ve seen on this show, and for the last couple of years I’ve found NF completely unconvincing, particularly in romantic scenes. If there is a problem, SK is hiding it well; her co-star is not, and I find it disrespectful to the viewers to not make an effort. I apologize to Nathan’s many fans but after really liking him in the first 3-4 seasons I’ve been going off him for the last few years. The DVD special about his radio comedy hobby confirmed that my sense of humour is at variance with his, and I’m worried that Castle is moving more in that direction. I wish him well with any other project he finds amusing, but Castle’s comedy needs to be about intelligent banter.

    I admit I’ve virtually written off episode 6 in advance but am still hopeful that the other two before the winter break will show improvement. Ep 2 was quite promising until the last few minutes and there is definitely some writing talent on the team – it just needs some better guidance.

    • CastleBuzz says:

      Wow, Castlefan! I agree so much with this that I could have written it. Wish I had. You’ve hit so many points I’ve been thinking about.
      .
      Gates — I wish she had been kept onboard for at least a few eps to mentor Kate in her new role as captain and to see Sir in her new role as deputy inspector (if I recall correctly). Those two characters were really developing something special during season 7, a real woman-to-woman bonding that had some depths to explore. A real missed opportunity in my mind.
      .
      Alexis — I can’t tolerate her new role. The actress can’t handle it nor is it right for the character. Again a missed opportunity for some intergenerational female bonding. Let Alexis decide to go into law enforcement after discussions with Beckett. The instantaneous super PI, computer wiz Alexis who bonds with Hayley within seconds is ludicrous to say the least.
      .
      Hayley — have nothing against the character or actress, but what is her purpose? I get Vikram as part of the LokSat story arc, but Hayley? As you say, just give us more of the established characters.
      .
      The Split — To introduce such an upheaval of a story arc and not to follow it up seriously and with solid eps has been a waste. Agree with what you say about ep 8×05. Just juvenile, crass humor. So not Castle-like. But, unfortunately, very Nathan-like. I just cringe at some of his recent tweets and IG posts. Agree with you on him as well.
      .
      Slaughter — I’ll probably watch the ep on Monday so I don’t miss any developments if there are any of significance, but …..why bring him back? Baldwin is a friend of NF’s.

      • Castlefan says:

        Thanks – my post was a little long but I thought other viewers may share at least some of my opinions and I wanted to explain in detail why I believe quite a few of us are unhappy. According to some people a lot of fans are ‘whinging’ and I don’t think that’s true of the majority. I believe most of us here are genuinely concerned and wanting the best for the show, and constructive criticism doesn’t need to be seen as entirely negative. I’m really rooting for them to pull it back.

        Thanks also for reaffirming my decision not to use Twitter or IG – from what you say I don’t think I could stomach it! I probably will end up watching Monday’s ep too as I can’t imagine not: I just wish I could look forward to it the way I used to.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Exactly. I agree that your post probably represents the majority of viewers. It’s a silent majority for the most part since most fans do not participate on these types of commentary boards. The portion of fans that whine constantly is overall very small but they overwhelm the online presence. So thanks again for your excellent post.
          .
          Like you I’m rooting for the writers and showrunners to put things back together again. That’s not to say mistakes haven’t been made, but over the course of a 8-season series that’s to be expected.
          .
          I don’t post on Twitter or IG, but I do follow SK’s and NF’s to get a feel for what they are like BTS. What people post, how they post, and the language they use are very revealing of personality. It’s not only interesting in a general sense, but fascinating in how it relates to what you see onscreen.

          • L8wrtr says:

            If this ‘silent majority’ was so… um.. major.. then why are ratings in a tail spin?
            And I don’t see whining on this or any other threads or forums. I see a staggering amount of very well-thought out, very well articulated criticisms, observations and expressions of frustration. To characterize the discontent expressed here as whining is rude, condescending and immature.. kind of beneath the intelligence you typically show in your writings, even if I disagree with much of what you say. I would think you’re better then that.
            And again.. numbers don’t lie. Show is tanking, which is a bit contrary to what you’d expect if the majority of Castle fans was enjoying this season. Will you still sing this same tune when 08×06 comes in under 1.0 share?

          • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

            Far be it for me to interject facts, but I’d be more prudent if I were you with the word “tailspin.” The show returned down in September — back when everyone was adamant that Castle wasn’t the Blind Item break-up — but has fluctuated marginally, even in the episodes since the split. (Breakup episode: 6.7 million viewers, 1.2 rating. Episodes since: 6.8 mil/1.2, 6.8 mil/1.1, 6.7 mil/1.1.)

            So, keep busting out the noisy word “tailspin” if you choose to, but realize that the significant drop had already happened between seasons.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Thanks, Matt, for covering the tailspin bit. I would have had to search for those numbers. :) I’d add that most TV viewers do not comment online about shows so even if a “majority” of people who do are discontent, it says nothing about the overall viewership.
            .
            And my apologies for the use of the word “whining.” I picked it up from Castlefan’s post and probably shouldn’t have as it’s not particularly representative of this comment board. But I do read other forums and some Twitter and there’s definitely a lot of whining going on.

          • Castlefan says:

            I actually used the term ‘whinging’ (not much difference) and was making the point that the vast majority of comment does not fall into the whining/whinging category: we’re just concerned. Of course a few people whine/whinge about anything and they can certainly be the most vocal at times, but I think most of us make valid, constructive points even if we don’t always agree on everything.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Now my apologies to Castlefan. Not only did I take “whinging” as a typo for “whining” (haven’t seen the use of “whinge” outside of crossword puzzles in a long time :)) but I took it out of the context you intended. So sorry. I had just come off another forum where “whining” is definitely the tone. That’s not an excuse, just an explanation.

      • L8wrtr says:

        Speaking of agreeing with you??? LOL I agree with every single point.. yet how are we so far apart on this season when you seem to agree that so much of it is a waste?

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Fascinating how different minds work, isn’t it? We see the same things, agree on many points and still manage to have different POVs. For some reason I’m optimistic that these showrunners-writers will not repeat the Rick disappearance scenario of season 7, where after much angst nothing happened to answer all of the questions until the awful Sleeper, which still didn’t. I’m hopeful — somewhat contrary to my nature — that they will actually give us an arc this time that will make sense. After all if I can come with multiple scenarios in my head that could do that, I figure these writers should be able to. I’m willing to wade through a few poorly done eps to get there. Simply put, I’m not ready to give up on this show…yet.

  49. deecee says:

    There needs to be a “just in case” episode that could be worked in if the show doesn’t get cancelled (and there may already be one). Encapsulated, it looks like this: Somehow, Castle figures out what LokSat is, and knowing that Kate is in imminent danger, enlists Ryan and Esposito to help him save her. Castle somehow tracks her down, and either saves Kate outright (with Espo and Ryan’s help), or does something stupid/crazy to let Kate get the draw on her killer(s) and wipe him/her/them out. The show ends with Caskett back together, and Kate suggesting they take an extended trip to the Hamptons, thus having an “all’s well that ends well” reunion and a springboard for the rest of the season, or, if it’s cancelled, they “live happily ever after,” and there’s no ambiguity as to whether they get back together. It could fit anywhere within the rest of the season, and would at least give us a happy ending rather than wondering what happened because they pulled the plug before there was any resolution.

    • CastleBuzz says:

      Why make Rick the superhero and her the damsel in distress? Let’s be a little more 21st century here. I’d prefer him figuring out — finally — that Kate’s investigating and then confronting her about going after LokSat together. They do that and together (with or without Ryan’s and Espo’s help) they identify the Big Bad and take him/her/it/them down (again with or without help from Rita, Jackson Hunt, whoever). Like your ending….

      • lurker says:

        Well, in Reckoning AWM evaded “the superhero and the damsel in distress” by letting Beckett free herself/ Thank God for small favours in season 7.. Watching this season I’m not so sure. I’m sure you’re aware of the existence of many, maaaaany fanfcitions in which Beckett doesn’t know how to feed herself properly, how to dress herself, how to make love properly, let alone defend herself in the direct fist fight until an angel came to her. 21st century with the sexist and frat jokes from the last episode? Doubt it. To make all things worse, that little grain was visible, at least to me, during the whole season 7 with few exceptions.. And just remember Marlow’s words from the second Paley about the positioning of Beckett’s character in the story: they didn’t want to go too deep into the feminism question and her position in the male dominated profession, “she just is”. She is the way she is thanks to her seff and nobody else. Something went terribly wrong at the end of season 6.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          True about Reckoning. I got the impression at the time that Terri had a lot to do with Beckett saving herself. You’re also right about this season’s sexism, fanfiction’s nonsense, and 6×23’s takedown of Kate. A tremendous disappointment. I wonder what Terri thinks about it.
          .
          As for Marlowe’s comment, I wasn’t bothered by it. I spent 40 years in male-dominated fields and felt it was time to retire that concern in a TV show. After all the issue of female cops had been done before and done very well, especially in Cagney and Lacey. I actually appreciated how the show Castle presented all sorts of people in character slots without overt attention to their gender, race, or ethnic background.

      • deecee says:

        In his eyes, he still has to win her back. So what better way is there than to figure out what’s going on, and foiling the plot for her impending doom? Your idea is great too, BTW :-)

  50. Tom W. says:

    This is the most ridiculous plot line in TV history. My god, what the hell were the writers thinking.