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Castle Recap: The Mystery Of... What Does the Show Look Like Now?

ABC’s Castle this Monday tackled not one but two mysteries. The first involved the murder of a college kid found dressed in a prison jumpsuit.

The bigger mystery, however, involved the long-running series itself. Namely, does it look and feel much different now, with Rick and Kate apart/estranged/separated? And if it does, it that an insurmountable thing?

Addressing the murder case first, if only because it’s less messy: This story started off intriguing enough, mingling frat boys with leggy professors with secret-keeping deans. And I was even on board with the secret prison. But to say that the Army was rebooting the 1971 Stanford prison experiment, as a means to yada yada yada millennials? Oy. Props at least for not pinning the rap on the pretty professor or the dean, but to say that whatshername killed Peter because he stole a scholarship from her…?

OK, maybe the other mystery is actually less messy.

As much as I was looking for it, I didn’t feel as if Rick and Kate were spending that much more time apart. Yes, there were stretches where it was just him and Alexis working an angle, or where the show would peel away to show Kate and Vikram chasing the “ghost.” But I reckon that, say, a good 18 percent of you were surprised by how much screen time the characters did share, especially during the closing acts, where they were “trapped” together in the cell.

Plus, I think they played the “Ooh, our bodies are pressed up against each other, I’m feeling those old feelings” card way, way, way sooner than I expected. So there’s some solace in the fact the writers seemingly see the marrieds’ reunion as more a sprint than a marathon.

That said….

A shortcoming that was highlighted in TVLine’s 20ish Questions column looked just as bad as feared, when illustrated during this first post-breakup episode — and that is Kate’s wafer-thin reasoning for the split, which for all practical purposes thus far is in name only. For heck’s sake, at one point in the precinct she even had her hands affectionately draped on Rick — a terribly risky oversight if she is worrying (and we must assume she is) that LOCKSAT’s people are forever eyeballing her.

Beckett herself admits that she “blew up” her marriage in the name of this iffy enterprise. Even the older guy who previously helped her navigate the Bracken mystery flat-out questions her death wish in pursuing this issue, warning, “You’re going to get yourself killed.” And on not one but two occasions, Vikram invited her to back out from this odyssey. He’s on board, to repay her for saving his life. But why is Kate dead-set on what everyone has deemed a suicide mission?

In fact, so devoid of proper motivation as she is, after that heart-to-heart with Vikram in the car, I half-expected him to get taken out by a sniper, to light some kind of fresh fire under Beckett.

But if they are going to go down this path (…for however long…), at least they have Kate reassuring Rick à la “This one is not about you. It’s on me. I love you, I always will.” So, at least Castle doesn’t think he’s gone completely bonkers, or is to blame.

A few other thoughts:
* Nice to see that Lanie has been trying to talk to Kate about the split, and has her GF’s back (“You went Houdini on her!”) to a degree when Rick grumbles about the situation.
* There’s a number you can call to have puppies on your doorstep? Want.
* I hope I don’t have old man ear hair yet, either!
* People are going to have thoughts about Rick using Alexis as bait/a resource as needed/appropriate during the occasional investigation. Planting her in a classroom? Sure. “Sending her into a house full of drunk frat boys dressed as a slutty angel,” as RySpo put it? Absolutely questionable. But at lest Rick was quick to remedy that.
* But related to “adult” Alexis, if we’re going that route and establishing a new dynamic between her and her dad, how about we dial down the cutesy “bubble cigar” moments? I was more impressed when it appeared they were sipping Scotch over a success.

What did you think of this first look at Caskett “2.0”?


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490 Comments
    • jahoney1 says:

      This is beyond even a fail.

      • S. says:

        Funny but the fact that only just over 10% are saying they’re not watching again says you’re in the minority. The real joke of course being that those people claiming that clearly are still obsessed with reading about and watching the show or at least posting about it anyway. You should’ve clicked that other option of ‘who are we kidding, of course I’ll say I’m not but I totally am.’ That’s what you’re doing. A real bail-er would bail and be quiet eventually, yet here ye are. If you think you can do better, go forth and write your own show.

        • Just one thing says:

          Is there a CVS or Walgreens nearby? Because you need a whole bottle of chill pills.

        • kath says:

          I’m going to watch a few more episodes because I’m not giving up so easily after 7 seasons. But this storyline is a massive fail for me.

          • always been me says:

            @kath

            what did you hate about it? it had a lot of both good and sad moments. I liked it, yes it needed work but was a good change.

          • jahoney1 says:

            I personally agree. I turned it on, but flipped between shows. It is hard not to watch because of the fact I have been doing it for so long. It is hard to watch the contradictions of actions.

          • Agreed. Kate went to therapy before over this compulsion yet it doesn’t occur to her to do so now rather than sacrifice her marriage? Also, the reviewer is right about how meaningless her leaving Castle to protect him is if she still sees him constantly. She would have to give a good enough reason to Lanie, Ryan and Esposito to really never let him be around, including banning him from the precinct which she has the authority to do. And to be brutally honest even that wouldn’t be convincing enough. Only a divorce might convince the enemies she’s decided to create that Castle can’t be used as leverage against her. And it would have to be nasty and very public. A complete sacrifice of the relationship. That’s the only way her “plan”, pathetic as it is might work.

        • Celina says:

          Just because people are watching doesn´t mean it’s good. And, just because people are here in the comments, doesn’t mean they watched the episode.
          #cancelcastlebeforeitgetsevenworst

        • jahoney1 says:

          First off chill out. Second off I never said I would never watch it again. Third my opinion is different than yours. So what. I have always liked the show. Different than most crime shows, but done well enough that you could see it happen in real life. Don’t like the direction of the show and how forced it seems. It is my opinion. Different than yours. Again so what. Different opinions are good. Debate is a good thing. So whoever you are chill out, enjoy the show, enjoy the debate. If ratings don’t climb past 7.0 expect some concern about it being cancelled by winter sweeps.

        • L8wrtr says:

          Funny, because 49% of the respondents say they either will never watch the show again (for realz), Hate it enough to want to quit, but are too die-hard to actually walk away, or hate it, but are willing to give it another chance. So in one form or another, virtually half the fans who have responded all agree on the fact that what has happened so far is complete and utter crap, it’s just some are more patient than others with it. But cherry-picking the 11% is really funny way to prove your point in spite of the clear disapproval by the fan base.

      • always been me says:

        how? i don’t see it…..but then again I can be blind. i don’t think it was the best but i was okay with it.

    • S. says:

      Please. Like you guys went into this wanting to like anything about it. Really. You wanted to hate it and got your wish. It’s a shame people like being miserable and then coming to tell other people the show they like sucks. I dunno if you’ve noticed, but the toxicity of that attitude has driven people away from bothering to deal with it in the comments. It’s kind of a running joke that there’s gonna be griping here to the point that fans in other boards and chats specifically bring this site up. I keep coming here because me and Sisyphus are tight (also I do enjoy Matt and Co. so it’s not like I’m gonna take it out on them). I just try to tell myself at some point I’ll read the recaps and not scroll down. One day, one day. It’s hard not to for the sake of the people working on the show. They shouldn’t have to deal with unfettered griping.

      • Just one thing says:

        “You guys are idiots for continuing to whine about a show you clearly hate. But I’m a complete genius for continuing to whine about the whiny posts of people I clearly hate for not liking my favorite show as much as I do anymore. Haha. Wah-wah. Ha. Wah.”
        .
        You really should try to take your own silly advice. But I’d understand if you didn’t. What with it being so silly and everything.

        • always been me says:

          @just one thing,

          does that make me one too? i guess not cause i love the show and still complain….and i love to see what others think. makes me get a 3d of the characters.

          • Just one thing says:

            I have one multi-pronged request of my fellow posters here: Don’t tell people what to think, don’t tell people what to say, don’t tell people how to feel.
            .
            That’s it.

          • lkh says:

            JOT ok-as long as you don’t tell me what to do, say, etc :)

          • Just one thing says:

            I will tell you this: Stay classy, lkh. ;-)

          • jahoney1 says:

            Then we are all idiots. Complain away, but stay classy. Different opinions make boards like this fun. Insulting different opinions and being nasty is why boards like this get shut down. Keep it real, keep it classy, keep it fun. Debate away.

          • always been me says:

            @ilh

            he called all of us who complain here, non fans of the show, nicer way of saying that. and i was responding that even lovers of the show complain just as much!

          • lkh says:

            JOT–am I involved in another one of your dust ups? :)

        • Just one thing says:

          #Always

      • jahoney1 says:

        Whoever you are if you do not like a debate than stay off the comment boards. Take your own advice and go away. Most people on the show do not give two ….. about comments on boards like this. Gripping, complaining, stating what you like and do not like are what these boards are for. Trying to tell people what to think and insulting people that have a different opinion is sad really and very un-democractic. Take your own silly advice and do not read the boards. You will be happier.

  1. AnnieD says:

    Wow, I had to turn away at the twenty minute mark.Went back twice, couldn’t bear it. What have they done to a show I used to love??

    • AnnieD says:

      Just so it’s clear, I could get past them splitting up Castle (I did last year) but the writing is so very, very bad tonight. Nothing worked, it was nonsensical, I mean I can suspend reality for many things, but at least entertain me.

      • Just one thing says:

        “I can suspend reality for many things, but at least entertain me.”
        .
        HTTP Error 400 Bad request

        • lkh says:

          Woe is me…that’s a lot of Alexis.
          It was very thin, but not as goofy as it could have been. Will folks even check in next week?
          On the plus side, better than season 7.

      • always been me says:

        what did you not like? i don’t see why people are complaining, am i missing something here? i did find it entertaining…..that’s what it’s suppose to do right, it is just tv.

      • L8wrtr says:

        So very true Annie. The writing was beyond amateur hour. Poorly developed ideas, abandoned story threads.. Ryan and Espo a la 21 Jump Street? sadly my eyes cannot unsee that buffoonery.
        I wrote in a post way, way way down.. I hate this concept, but if you’re going to go to this place, they writers need to own it, and have the characters explore and react in the natural way that we know they would, I could buy in at least if the characters were still smart and doing things the way we know they should, rather than forced to act the way they did in seasons 1-4….
        and… write well… because this was beyond sloppy.

        • castle lover says:

          @l8wrtr

          i know what you mean about Ryan and Espo, but i never laughed so hard in a Castle esp then that moment. I loved it, i think because it was so stupid!

    • jahoney1 says:

      I did the same thing because the story line and the plot were just so bad. Rating should be interesting to see.

      • lkh says:

        It’s next week that will not be good…

        • jahoney1 says:

          Ratings need to between above 7.0 total viewers to have a chance of finishing the season. Anything less and I could see ABC pulling the plug. I hope not because not for the sake of the leads and supporting cast, and the writers, but for all the others that were hired to work on the show. Looking for a job because they were hired to work on Castle, but not for ABC.

          • Georgee says:

            They are at 6.767 way down from last year. But are show runners still can stop the slow bleed. They need a bold move and put these two back together again, under the same roof before they go on there vacation this winter. Maybe that happens in episode 7, it would be sure a great idea to let that cat out of the bag before 11/16. ratings would start going back up. Maybe that 6.767 would go back up 7.2, what a bold move.

          • always been me says:

            @georgee

            from all that i’m hearing (esp 7 mr and mrs) (not all believing it) is that they wont be back together by then…..but this might not be true, if it is then Castle wont be back for the winter! i hope they can wow, the fans or it’s over and I think that it wont just be Castle that will be destroyed!

          • Dj says:

            This isn’t a freshman show networks will let a long running show finish the season even with really bad ratings they aren’t going to pull plug on it.

      • John NYC says:

        UP from last week.

    • always been me says:

      @annie d

      trying to hard to make it better, which they really didn’t need to do that much to fix it, he!! now they can’t. I hope they do something with this mess.

  2. Worldsoul says:

    So our new show killers wanted a chance to show how much more they ruined my favorite show? They are succeeding. I mean what is wrong with you guys?

    • jahoney1 says:

      AH already killed off one show what is one more to add to his list. All these writers need to take a look at how Shonda Rhimes writes and produces her shows. All three top rated. That is were Castle use to be until the writing tanked and the new story line destroyed the fan base.

      • Just one thing says:

        You really can’t compare Castle to any of Shonda Rhimes’ shows. It’s like comparing apples to Oreos.

      • lkh says:

        Speaking of writers–hmmm, the new showrunners have always been pretty good and have heard about them early in the series, positive things said fromSK. However, not to point fingers, Creasy name comes to mind–entered as writers in season 6, wrote tonight’s episode. Don’t know–it’s that feel, not quite right.

        • lkh says:

          Pushing Daisies

        • lkh says:

          Creasy: A Murder is Forever, Smells like Teen spirit, Clear and Present Danger, Bad Santa, Hong Kong Hustle, In Plane Sight, PhDead

        • Just one thing says:

          I really liked TPW and AH’s episodes in past years, so it does baffle my mind how they’re taking the series on this illogically wild ride.

          • lkh says:

            I’m not 100% sure who is doing this…some writers, not as fond of as others.

          • jahoney1 says:

            As writers of the episodes TPW and AH have talent as writers in episodes under the direction of someone else. I wonder if we are seeing the Peter Principle in effect right now in terms of TPW and AH show running abilities.

          • lkh says:

            Good question–but I’ve liked their stuff–no so much Creasy’s and I liked episodes 1 and 2, which was their’s I believe–I know people didn’t like the last 5 minutes of #2. :[

      • James says:

        If castle was written like any Shonda Rhimes, I would’ve quit watching years ago.

        • nick says:

          That’s laughable. Grey’s Anatomy in its 12th season is better than Castle ever was. Sure, I loved the first 5 seasons of so of Castle, but even Scandal (the worst of shondas’ shows) is a lot better than the last few seasons of Castle.

          • always been me says:

            @nick

            then why are you still watching? if you think that she can do better why don’t you just stick to watching her stuff……

        • lurker says:

          I’m there with you on Shonda and not watching.

        • always been me says:

          @james

          i woudn’t even make it past season 1!

        • jahoney1 says:

          Do not watch many of Shonda Rhimes shows typically. They are simply better rated shows than Castle and seem to be better executed at this time. The ratings seem to back that up.

        • Just one thing says:

          If Castle were written by Shonda Rhimes, Beckett would’ve cheated with Espo twice and Ryan would’ve had a fling with Alexis. Meredith would’ve gotten her hooks back into Castle for two seasons, and he would’ve had a kid with that stewardess a few years ago.
          .
          There would be far more characters, definitely more women, but more than half of those characters would have died by season seven.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Brilliant, JOT. LOL. Shonda’s shows are nighttime soaps like Dynasty. Anything goes. Many people love that stuff and ratings will usually be high. I’ve tried all of her shows and have not gotten beyond two eps of any of them except Grey’s. For that I lasted a little more than a season. Her shows are well written, well acted, well executed, but I rarely like any of the characters, and that for me is key to my liking and following a show.

          • lkh says:

            There’s a certain pace, rhythm to the dialogue that I don’t like. Lots of unpleasant problems, continual really. And the dumb mistakes over and over…

          • always been me says:

            JOT

            that’s funny, and i can see it would have been interesting storylines there! wow! what our minds will come up with when we are upset! way to go!

        • jahoney1 says:

          I have no problems with someone disliking or not caring for shows written and produced by Shonda Rhimes. My biggest point is that Castle at one time was ranked right up there in ratings with Shonda’s shows. Then the writing and execution went down hill. This season in terms of writing, following character development, following the plot and executing the plot along with the inability to keep the show within basic areas of logic is just hard to watch.

      • S. says:

        You’ve got to be kidding. Like you even know jack about Alexi Hawley’s contributions to anything. Most people watch shows and don’t do it with an eye evaluating the showrunner. Gimme a break. Besides, you’ve no idea what else was going on on those shows. I’ve heard people with that job describe what they were dealing with at the time and you’d be stunned about all the various things that can go right or wrong. The pressures of doing it are astronomical. It’s a miracle any show gets on tv much less turns out well. Besides all that, your citation of Shonda Rhimes is ludicrous. With the exception of the beginning of Grey’s, pretty much every show she’s done was/is a hot mess in terms of
        ‘just when you think it can’t get more soapy and ridiculous it does.’ I’ve tried every show for a season or more until HTGAWM and as much as I adore Viola Davis, the law school/legal system of it all is beyond insane and I just can’t. Top rated? Bah humbug. There are a lot of people working on those shows who enjoy that they have work and Shonda herself seems pretty great, so more power to her, but let’s not call that art.

        • lkh says:

          and I think it’s unfair to compare such totally different types of shows–don’t they always refer to Castle as a dramedy (?) Shonda Rhimes doesn’t write anything like that…

        • always been me says:

          @s

          to each their own, i like her stuff but i love Castle more.

        • jahoney1 says:

          1st off calm down. Your anger is coming across in your writing. It is kind of funny really. No where in my post did I say what I was basing my comparisons on. Behind the scenes at any location in any business is always a mess. If you do not want the pressure do not do the job. Ratings, Syndication rights, and dvr ratings are all that really matter. 6.5-6.9 ratings do not cut it. In the end what is art and what is not art in each of our opinions does not matter. Only the ratings matter.

          • lkh says:

            I can see you’re an idealist.

          • jahoney1 says:

            I have always liked Castle. I do like how well Shonda Rhimes executes her shows. Castle was light and funny all mixed into a crime show. It was different, but it stayed true to procedure and process. Most of the stories about the crimes have happened or could in theory happen. The idealist in me hopes Castle makes it to the end of the season and possibly into season 9. The realist in me makes me suspect that this could be an aborted season to end the series.

        • Only the showrunners can give final approval to a story arc for a season or multiple seasons. So the whole unrealistic breakup rests on Hawley and Winter.

  3. Brad says:

    I hate that castles was trying to win her back and how is she ever gonna redeem herself it’s her vs a pretty powerful group and it looks like the next episode castle says there’s no bigger betrayal then lieing in a marriage

    • Slayer says:

      Well given how Caste said that line, it seems more like he figured out, tentative realization about something from the case of the week. Rather than Castle commenting about their situation.

      • always been me says:

        @slayer

        i think that it was both, i think is now more determined to find out the truth about his marriage, which in my eyes will get him into more trouble. i can’t wait……i know i was mad at this whole thing but now i kinda getting excited…..

        • John NYC says:

          Except Kate isn’t lying to him. Which she’d have felt forced to do had she remained in the loft btw.

          At best writers are screwing with the haters.

          • jahoney1 says:

            Either way Kate is still lying to Rick. A lie of omission is still a lie. There are no hater here. People just discussing a tv show.

  4. Linda Albers says:

    more confusing. I like to hear the reasoning for the next four episodes from the head writers.
    I know they promise a that near the mid season finale we’ll see what they are up to, but come on. No one does any research for this show. it wouldnt matter if Kate was invesitigating while at home. They would come after castle any ways. rule cant get to the actual person go after the family. intelligence services have been doing it for years.

    • Gloria says:

      I wonder how many fans are going to be left watching this mess by mid season!
      So sad this once great show has fallen so miserably.

    • Dj says:

      This right here is the biggest flaw in this plot. The big shadow forces aren’t going to care if her and Castle aren’t together her coming after them makes him a target no matter what.

  5. Hmmm…I think this episode just highlighted how pointless and contrived this so called split is for the show. It doesn’t feel real or organic or needed. It just seems like something the writers thought up as a way of shaking up Caskett. I personally hate it when writers put couples together and then break them up in contrived ways, rather than writing a decent, happy couple making it work.

    Overall for the case of the week, I enjoyed the light tone, even though the mystery was rather convoluted with a lot of unnecessary details for such a straightforward motive. I did like to see Castle and Alexis working together in a more grown up fashion. It’s certainly better for me than when Alexis was acting like a whiny, rebellious teenager. I am SO glad that one suspect was able to see through Ryan and Espo’s attempt to 21 Jump Street him. For a second, I was afraid the show would COMPLETELY lose all sense of credibility by having someone fall for such a patent ploy. But I would probably have liked it more if not the distracting and unnecessary breakup plot.

    • m3rcnate says:

      I agree with you 100%. Personally the separating them plot device isn’t the worst thing in the world, it is the execution that is so poor that makes it impossible to swallow. I mean we are one episode out from Beckett “blowing up” her marriage for fear a covert death squad will come after her and use/kill Castle in the process, and they already have her in public affectionately touching him, working with him, going to and from work with him….to begin with even if they never saw each other a covert death squad would kill Castle just to be sure no one knows anything, but with how much they are together they would just assume they are still happily married.
      .
      I completely agree and can’t stand Hollywood TV writers for somehow not knowing how to write happy, sexy, fun, flirty couples that are in a healthy long term relationship.
      .
      This show needs to get them back together SOON or else I am out. Not because I can’t handle them apart, but because of how poorly the writers are executing them being apart.

      • I have say that I think this storyline stinks. I know there is supposed to be conflict for a good story but Kate is really beginning to pi$$ me off. For a smart lady she sure is acting stupid. I’ve been a fan since day 1 but the writers are ruining it for me now. I’ll watch a couple more episodes but if things don’t change soon, I’m outta here.

        • always been me says:

          @lorna

          i don’t think i want to wait til eps, 7 like they said hold on to……i would like to see what happens to the two of them, the title intrigues me, what kinda of “fun” can that be……yes it doesn’t make all that much sense but i will to give it a shot. I think there is something else she is hiding…..

          i’m here watching episode 1 of season 1 again and i’m crying…….how much i love this show……

      • John Z says:

        100 % , lets not forget the Dean knew they were married as well. So it is common knowledge.
        This is so stupid it is painful.

        • kath says:

          “This is so stupid it is painful. ”

          You’ve nailed it.
          I wonder how the casual voters feel. So far the Castle fans all see to hate it.

          • always been me says:

            @kath

            then i must not be a Castle fan, cause i loved it, yes it needed work but what episode didn’t……

          • kath says:

            @ always been me
            When I wrote that remark, I hadn’t read a single comment here the praised the twist of splitting them up. Now there are a few, but they are vastly in the minority.
            It’s pretty safe to say that after 3 episodes, most involved Castle fans aren’t happy with the way the season is going.

          • always been me says:

            @kath

            i think that some fans need to give it another few esp, hard yes, i think this will just be like an arch and it will go a different way then people think. I think we will be surprised (good way, i don’t know,) I guess that i don’t see it like all fans here, which is really cool, I just want them working off each other again! i got that during esp 3! yes a little more would have been great. they’re added it piece by piece. i was watching it season 8 again, i did it by each characters’ view and it was better. I can’t wait to see what happens, fans like me get mad…..
            .
            .
            1.cause they did this kinda thing last year (6X23) and were promised great things, didn’t happen in their eyes.
            .
            .

            2. people want it “their” way and only “their” way. not going to happen either.

            .
            try looking at it as a whole not esp by esp, that helps too, like a chapter at a time. it builds on it’s self.
            i have to watch it more then once to understand it and i love to see how different we are.

          • kath says:

            @ always been me
            I will stick around for a couple of more episodes. If nothing else, this separation should be over before the winter break because Castle is going on an extended winter hiatus this year and the network will want to be sure that fans come back in the spring rather than give up in disgust.

            But for me, what I’ve always liked about Castle is the good relationship between Castle and Beckett except for seasons 3 and 4 which I hated because they were kept apart for stupid reasons. What I really liked is that since they got together, there hasn’t been any of the idiotic drama and break-up that other shows specialize in.

            And now, they’re apart for stupid reasons, they’re lying to each other, and Beckett has turned into an idiot. What I really liked about the show is gone.

            I’ll give them a few more chances for the sake of our longtime relationship but I’m really not happy about what’s on my screen.

  6. Laura says:

    Weird episode .I think Molly is a great actress but I can´t stand what the writers are doing with her character.She should be in college .

    • Court says:

      Molly is trying too hard. Growing Alexis up doesn’t seem natural it seems forced

    • Lizo says:

      Alexis is literally the only thing I’m enjoying right now on this show.

      • Luli says:

        Never thought I would say this, but yes Alexis has been one of my fav things in these past episodes.

        • John Lazzaro says:

          Alexis is beyond annoying in these episodes. She’s acting like a Beckett replacement and completely failing at it. She’s better off as a side character her being pushed to regular doesn’t make any sense she was never a major character early on. She was inspiration.She’s always made to look like she can always save the day and it’s the most annoying thing I’ve ever seen. People watch this show for the two leads not for Alexis and Castle in that terrible PI arch. This has to be the worst episode of the entire series or at least among them anyway. These brtual deaths don’t fit Castle at all. Usually odd and bizarre murders not this up in your face brutality they’ve got going on.We got more Alexis then Beckett which never made any sense. They’ve completely morphed the show into utter garbage it didn’t even feel like the same thing anymore and honestly they’re completely ruining the entire thing.

      • DD says:

        well Alexis and castle together is pure gold

        • Marie Wilkerson says:

          I agree completely… I watch this show because of the humor, drama and a safe ending! Kate was a strong sexy cop and falling in love with Castle it should continue but the writers seem to be forgetting that.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Yeah, pure gold with the Midas touch….stiff.

      • DD says:

        also I wouldn’t mind seeing her in a spin-off with Toks Olagundoye

    • CastleBuzz says:

      Agree, Laura and Court. A grown-up Alexis who was finishing up her senior year of college and looking ahead to a career or grad school would be one thing. This Alexis has absolutely nothing to do with the girl we’ve seen for the past 7 years. She looks ridiculous, sounds ridiculous, and acts as though she’s been an investigator for 20 years at least. Example: she walks into an apartment with her father and two experienced cops old enough to be her father, and she’s the first to recognize that it’s filled with BDSM stuff. Come on….

      • Court says:

        I’m 22 years old and what they’re doing with Alexis is so unnatural and is forced. Alexis doesn’t have. The same training and skill set that Beckett has. Alexis is a senior in college. She shouldn’t be allowed in the field without being supervised. It’s completely out of character for Alexis to read 50 shades and have info about a BDSM dungeon. Come on its ridiculous

        • keepitcoming says:

          Isn’t that age bias – that some one young can’t be as smart as or smarter than someone older?
          Besides I think It was part of the humor – when her father looked at her wondering how she knew that, she said she read 50-Shades of Grey….and that’s why she knows.
          HaHa – get it?!

      • Bonnie W says:

        What they’ve done to Alexis is one of my pet peeves. So wrong!!

      • keepitcoming says:

        You ladies sound a bit catty when discussing Alexis. It’s a freaking show – on television. Not life. Get over the transition that they have Alexis going through. It’s long over do and refreshing. She may have delayed her education as she is suppose to be a loving, caring daughter and is taking time off to help her father during a particular rough time. Perhaps her stint in the office is a work term required by the collage. Whatever!

    • N says:

      Laura- I agree! She’s looking 40!

    • always been me says:

      @laura

      i think that it’s forced, i don’t like it, she to me anyway (no offence to any of the actors/writers ect….) seems to be turning into a what’s a good word…..slut……sorry!

      • always been me says:

        they are making her to be some super person a know it all, it’s just so stupid, I wanted her to grow up not act like this though……ahhhhh…cant they get anything right. i can over look the split of Caskett some but this, no, i lost all hope in that character.

      • Dj says:

        So not going to college and helping her dad work PI case means she is turning into a slut. Really Verionca Mars must have been the biggest slut in the world then. At this point I’m starting to question if people here know what a slut is. Because through 3 episodes how is Alexis acting like a slut. She reads 50 shades oh no she is a slut. Wait it was the angel costume that she used to go undercover at a college Halloween party. The costume didnt even show much. Did you see the Final Frontier the outfit at the Scifi convention was way more revealing. I can understand calling her a marysue, but the slut thing makes no sense to me.

  7. SUSO says:

    When bad showrunners happen to good shows…

  8. Rhonda says:

    It’s interesting but they shouldn’t broken up caskett at all I hope it works out

  9. JBKD says:

    Another week of more damage control coming. Can’t wait to see the ratings tomorrow. Gonna be brutal.

    • Christina says:

      I think the ratings will be relatively steady, unless a significant number of Nielsen houses dropped the show. I can see them steadily declining as the breakup drags on. (I’m still kind of wishing for a brutal drop though!)

  10. Just one thing says:

    TVLine gremlins really hate my whinging. Let me try this again, with different word choices. And perhaps less words.
    If it’s one thing I learned from tonight’s episode, it’s that Kate Beckett can be replaced.
    .
    The writers didn’t suggest that concept with one instance; they actually suggested it with multiple instances. First, a down-in-the-dumps Castle wakes up to an empty bed, but is instantly cheered to find his brand-new package has arrived. (Negative 10 points to the writers for managing to make a two-for-one ScarJo reference with Castle’s Her-like OS named Lucy.)
    .
    Odds are Castle has Amazon Prime, so he will forget about Beckett in no time. This notion is actually proven again later on when Alexis puts together that little gift basket full of goodies for dear ol’ dad. Over the course of this episode, it appears Alexis is neither upset nor surprised that Beckett left her father. She also doesn’t seem all that interested in whether Beckett is coming back. Let me tell you, I was shocked by this behavior. Shocked.

    • Laura says:

      I agree .Martha and Alexis should be furious at Beckett but they behave like they don’t care. Alexis should be in college BTW not wasting her time doing a dangerous job.I can’t believe Castle is ok with this.Totally OOC.

      • Just one thing says:

        Yes. Everyone’s totally cool with Beckett’s decision, like it’s a non-issue. (Is that because it is a non-issue? But it’s bold and new. I know that much.)
        .
        Also, poor Lanie. She and Beckett have the worst, most one-sided, friendship in the history of television friendships. It’s another one of those issues where it doesn’t matter who’s the showrunner. We’ll never know what she’s up to, because when she’s not reassuring Beckett that #Caskett are A-OK, she’s being referenced as Espo’s booty call – or she’s off-screen.
        .
        On the bright side, I will say that I expected Chris Pratt Jr. to be more involved in the murder, so they surprised me there.

    • 100% on spot. Characterization in its shallowest level.

    • lurker says:

      Yes, Kate Beckett can be replaced. I thought they were trying to show us exactly that during the whole last season (7th), although more covertly. Now it’s just in the open. The worst thing for me is that now, after regressing Castle’s character in season 7, they’re regressing Beckett’s character to her 3rd season self in order to make the grande plot working. So, fast-backword on the VCR or DVR or whatever.

      And for Castle and forgetting and believing. Between toys and Beckett he always chooses toys. Maybe because Beckett never wanted to be just a new shiny toy that he can just open and see what’s making her tick. Now he knows, so… He’s prone to believe every word some beatiful woman say, especially if she rubs his ego in the process. But Beckett’s not so much.

      By the way, I love your whinging, keep on. It always brings the smile to my face. Once it was this show which used to do that.

      • Just one thing says:

        Haha, Castle’s math: Toys > Beckett
        .
        Sounds about right. Along with character regression for them both. And thanks. 😎

      • Good point!.

        One of the saddest thing to me about this show is Castle “childisness”. The writers have two textbook examples of the good childisness – both Nathan and Stana aren’t afraid to throw away adult reservations if they really enjoy something and dwell into it with all of their hearts

        But this is very far from being immature. “He is like a five year old…” LIKE. Not IS. At the beginning of the show Castle was neither irresponsible nor immature. He played being immature – because he knew it grated on Beckett and he liked to pull her pigtails. (OK, THIS is the level of five years olds, but in this Beckett was completely on the same level with him.)

        The funny (or sad) thing is, that the writers shouldn’t change much to retrieve the much more likeable Castle, only minor adjustments. Like eg. in the opening scene: I was OK that he tried to cheer him up with new gadgets – those are his comfort foods. But I wish there were more “effort” in him – this is my hobby so I should enjoy this. And it would have been much better (at least to me) if he we saw that he just lost his interest in it when its question brings him the necessary epiphany.

        I often surprised that somewhere on the road it was completely lost that Castle was a person who everybody liked. Not because he was famous or wealthy, but because he was a genuinely likable character – good humor, big heart, quick wit. I”ve been missing this protagonist more than anything from the show for a lng time.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Exactly, Laszlo. Your suggestion would have corrected that scene with ‘Lucy’ perfectly and given Rick’s sadness over Kate some depth. Your last paragraph is dead on and why I’ve probably gotten so snarky about both character and actor.

          • Annie says:

            This! It seems that they really aren’t that far off, but the writers refuse to do the hard work and go that extra mile. Another example, don’t break up Castle and Beckett but show them struggling to make their marriage work while trying to deal with Beckett’s obsession. They gave a glimpse of it in Veritas where Castle got mad that Beckett had gone out on her own one night. Imagine if they were still living together, Castle heard the warning from Rita and Michael Smith and yet still has to deal with Kate bringing Vikram in and continuing to pursue the case. And they could bring in Dr. Burke (one of my favorite guest stars. Granted, this wouldn’t necessarily give Alexis the “wonder PI” role she has now but they could still bump off Beckett in a hail of bullets, but it would be even more tragic because they had fought so hard to stay together. (I think the entire point of season 8 is a Castle PI spin-off with Castle, Alexis, and Hayley).

  11. Teri says:

    Loved all of it. The earlier year callbacks were good. I support Castle ALWAYS!

  12. Rhonda says:

    I can’t believe they broke caskett up hope they get them back together before the fall break or I will be very disappointment in the show

    • always been me says:

      @rhonda

      i know i am still pi$$ed but this episode was telling us that they can, and yes hopefully it wont last to much longer, but for me it’s just like the pi arch what a couple of episodes. they are all telling us about the surprise in eps 7! we will see what kinda “surprise” we are in for. i am just going with the flow. I enjoyed this episode, had some good moments and then some sad ones. much better then last years first three……

  13. Court says:

    Hmm I liked the episode, but I disliked some parts. First of all the writers and Molly Quinn are trying too hard to show that Alexis is all grown up. Alexis dressing like a slutty angel to talk to a guy undercover was disturbing. Since when is Alexis qualified to be in the field without any supervision. There was way too much Alexis in this episode. I hate that Alexis was working with Castle and not Beckett. Beckett and Castle are supposed to partners in crime and in life.
    What I did like
    1) castle waking up without Beckett by his side hurt. Castle looking at Beckett’s pillow was sad

    2) I loved Castle’s home operating system especially when Castle was like my name is Castle and my wife left me

    3) liked Lucy saying sucks to be you Rick

    4) Ryan and Esposito going undercover as college kids was funny

    5) I liked how when Castle came out of the deans office Beckett was there

    6) Beckett asking Castle for space and then he says that she needs him. That whole dialogue reminded me of 407

    7) Alexis definitely isn’t a little girl anymore. VS angel

    8) beer pong

    9) Beckett beating the crap out of that punching bag was sexy

    10) THE JAiL CELL SCENE. Oh my heart. I thought castle and Beckett were going to kiss when they locked eyes. Nathan and Stana’s chemistry was on point.

    • CastleBuzz says:

      Nice post, Court. I agree with much of it.

      • Marie Wilkerson says:

        All good except maybe the angel costume. Some here may have forgotten how smart Alexis is and always reading her dad’s drafts, & how being an intern for Lanie made her a good partner for Castle or Beckett.

        • kath says:

          Being book smart isn’t the same as being smart out in field. One requires a different kind of IQ than the other (static vs fluid). They’re really making Alexis into a Mary Sue this season.

    • always been me says:

      @court

      yeah, i was not the only one that thought they were going to kiss…….i wanted that! i know that i wouldn’t get it but i could hope. that was almost as great as the one in “cops/robbers” (that was one of my first eps seasons 1 through 4, to see-live). I was in tears at that moment. made the whole episode worth the watching for me. I was in tears when he woke up looking over at Beckett’s side of the bed too…..that told me that he wasn’t just going to give up on her. And the new toy was funny….and Ryan/Espo I was rolling on the floor!

      over all great episode except for Alexis-sorry she’s turned (like Castle said to Beckett season 1 about Nikki Heat) kinda s!utty, sorry I liked Alexis but now, i don’t get it. it’s to forced of course they weren’t developed right anyway-all the minor characters.

  14. Dave says:

    I came in at the beginning and I’m staying to the end!

  15. Just one thing says:

    It’s weird that Alexis would rather play a pretend co-ed student at some college she likely snubbed her nose at than act like a real-life student by actually attending her expensive, Ivy League college. It’s also weird for Alexis to join in on BDSM talk with her dad and his buddies, and pretty gross for a college dude to think “Professor” Castle was hitting on Alexis. (Their synchronous “Ew” does not make this little mistake funny or cute.)
    .
    But hey! Alexis is a grown-up, so… it’s all good!

    • lkh says:

      I didn’t know it was so easy to become a professor. Damn, I always stand in the wrong lines.

      Alexis was an annoying child, now she’s an annoying pretend to be adult PI

      • Just one thing says:

        Castle makes everything look easy.

      • John NYC says:

        Visiting Professorships are handed out to experts/celebrities for guest lectures routinely. Unpaid so the expense is maybe a newsletter announcement and opening some office space.

          • John NYC says:

            He’s lined up to give a couple of lectures in Contemporary Lit, maybe once or twice a semester, not like they gave him a lifetime tenure slot.

          • kath says:

            In real life, he wouldn’t even have to donate any money to have him lecture there for a couple of classes. They’ve be jumping at the chance to have a real author lecture.

          • lkh says:

            exactly–so at the very best, adjunct. probably just a guest speaker–maybe parking privileges on a good day :)

    • always been me says:

      @jot

      great thanks for putting that in my head…….I missed that one! now I might have nightmares about the two……shakes my head, “go away bad thought”…..

      • Just one thing says:

        Sorry. They started this awkward trend during the Pi Days, continued it during the P.I. Days, and apparently it’s here to stay.

        • always been me says:

          JOT

          the pi acr was fine and it had Alexis in it which i thought was cute, it’s just now she looks sorry to say this word but for me (being a woman too) like a s!ut, trying to impress more then just professional not someone i would want to work with on any level.

  16. annek says:

    Thought this couldnt get any worse, i was wrong. Was Castle sad or happy? I think he needs Dr Burke for his mood swings. Maybe they can get a couples discount? Are Rick and Kate ever going to have a discussion? Thought they promised us character development? Terrible all around and promos for next week look even more depressing.

    • Caskett Done says:

      But there is character development. Just look at all the screen time Alexis, Ryan and Exposito are getting to expand and grow.

    • Matt Stone says:

      I just think they are trying things out for a possible season 9 without Beckett. I don’t think there will be a season 9. The damage has been done. I would have rather had last season be the last.

    • always been me says:

      @annek

      i think he’s depressed and remember what he does, he jokes around putting up a front so he doesn’t have to “feel” anything. I think he did have mood swings. Oh and about having a discussion……yeah right when have to two ever really had one? i don’t remember one……an adult one. As for the character development, they are they just didn’t tell us which ones, Alexis has become well…..um….kinda not so good like girl any more, Ryan and Espo have grown some.

      to me I thought last weeks (for Mons) episode was horrible, and it turned out pretty good remember these promos are not anything like the show’s episode! I don’t trust them at all. I did last season and waited for things to happened that didn’t. so I wouldn’t read to much into them. just take that and what you read from others (if you record an episode and haven’t see it) with a grain of salt. Everyone has their take on an episode, and you have to find yours.

  17. Caskett Done says:

    This is all being done for one of two reasons: Either castle and Beckett are being written this way because her husband wants it with them no longer together OR the show runners and writers just are t talented enough to be able to write and show a truly in love , loving couple . They were able to show much Caskett before they were married but since they don’t have a clue on how to be able to do it .

  18. Luli says:

    Always with the negative comments. Yeah the show was different, the break up uneccesary, but it was a good episode. I hope they come to their senses and forget this LOCKSAT thing…. or at least the stupid “break up”.

    Alexis has been great, i’m enjoying her character. There were some LOL moments in the ep, and I loved the Caskett locked in the cell scene.

    • ndixit says:

      No it definitely wasn’t necessary! The good part about this ep had absolutely nothing to do the breakup. If anything, it just showed how stupid the break up is.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        ndixit: As I recall you were never again going to watch Castle after Ep 8×01. You repeated that after watching Ep 8×02. And here you are still watching and complaining. Glad to see you are a woman of your word.

        • ndixit says:

          Man! Not woman. And no, I didn’t watch the entire thing. But I can complain about what portions I did see.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Oops, ndixit, my man. I used ‘woman’ to be nice. I actually thought you were a Caskett -shipping, teeny bopping girl. My apologies to your manly ego. Also didn’t realize “never watching again” really meant ‘never watching the entire thing again so I can watch just the bad bits and complain about them.’ Glad all that’s cleared up.

    • Viv says:

      I agree. If you accept the breakup – which we have to, it’s done, let it go – and Alexis wanting to be a PI, then the episode was fun (except the Vikram/Beckett side investigation parts). I’d watch it again.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        I’m just the opposite. I don’t mind the so-called break-up (’cause I really don’t see it as one), I intensely dislike Alexis, super PI, and I enjoyed the Beckett/Vikram scenes. Not only are they good together, their dialogue actually explains the plot line, clearly indicates Kate’s thoughts and feelings, and sets things in motion.

        • always been me says:

          @castlebuzz

          cool I’m not the only one, here, or should that be everywhere?
          i didn’t see it as a break-up, a “taken a break” yes, but when have we not had that. the pi arch was one time. Not all married people are going to be side by side 24/7 and why should they? i know people see this show different and that’s great, i am just saying that i didn’t see a break-up at all. I’m glade that we do have drama in it, cause i would get bored and it would be like any other show out there, one that i would just forget about when it ended. this way, i will remember the struggles that the characters went though to get to where they want to be, good or bad in “our eyes”.
          .
          .
          .
          I hated what they did to Alexis, i wanted her to grow up but not look like she a 40yr, s!ut, sorry for that, i just can’t think of a another word. I don’t want to think of any of the characters that way.(i don’t want to remember that fun girl,(s1) that way) and just the thought of that scene, shakes her head.
          .
          .
          .
          .
          as for the new guys still need some growing on me, just like Tory and Gates had to do.
          over all it was a building esp, gave us good things so they can build it back up. I will be watching next week…..hope that some of you guys will be there too.

    • always been me says:

      @lull
      that was worth the whole episode for me, loved it, yes the episode needed help-i can say that to all of them, but for the most part great. it unnecessary and stupid but then again a lot of what they do is…..that’s what makes this show different for my anyway, cause you never know what you are going to get.

  19. Christina says:

    Didn’t watch. After reading this, no regrets.

    • BM says:

      No offense to the author of the article but how can you judge a 40+ minute episode from a recap? There is so much going on in an episode (any episode) that you just can’t put into writing, like looks, gestures, what is said between the lines etc. I find it impossible to say whether I like an episode or not from reading something.

    • always been me says:

      @christina

      you are going to let people (here or there) tell you everything you need to know about an episode? I sorry, i don’t really trust anyone here, I have to see if for myself. we are all passionate fans of the show who know what we like in an episode but not all of us like the same things. none of us are all right or all wrong, to each their own. I would never let someone tell me what i can or can’t do, some people like to complain about the good and the bad, that’s why i respond to many here, but i take it all with a grain of salt….but if you want to just go by what people say then go ahead, but you are messing out on what could be a good episode (for you). I for one enjoyed it. and the promos didn’t do anything for me.

      good luck in your decision.

  20. John NYC says:

    ? Yay.

    Some humor, nice bunches of Rick and Kate scenes and a balance of the rest, Ryan, Espo Martha and Alexis and even Lanie who gets often short shrift. Plus LT!

    Covered a lot of ground so they seem to be wanting a high pace and I’m all for that.

  21. Shelly says:

    It is frustrating to watch such bad writing on a show I have enjoyed for many years. It is simple really. Kate is after the Big Bad: the most ruthless and dangerous people out there. People who can easily find out who she is married to, and in turn who his family is. Do the writers really expect us to believe for a second that Kate is protecting Castle and his family by moving out?

    If Kate would have been honest from the start, precautions could have been put in motion – and history on the show proves Castle and Kate always work best as a team. By keeping Castle in the dark, all it does is put a target on his back that he doesn’t know is there. In addition, it makes Kate look pretty bad in her own right with this outrageous selfishness.

    Tonight’s episode did not bring back ‘the good ol days’ kind of vibe. It was awkward watching Castle stumble around in desperation trying to win back the wife who in fact should be trying to win back HIM.

    Lots of wrong going on so far for sure.

    • Sandfan says:

      Right on point. The whole idea of Beckett thinking she is doing this to protect Castle is just plain ludicrous.

      • John NYC says:

        Because he’d never act impulsively and rush into a situation where he didn’t know what dangers he’d be facing.

        Oh. Wait. How many times did he do that just last night?

        So I’ve changed my thinking on this. Kate isn’t keeping the secret investigation from Rick to protect him from the Big Bad, it’s to protect him from himself rushing AT the Big Bad and winding up getting himself and Alexis killed.

        • always been me says:

          @john nyc

          wow! that’s a cool way of looking at it, keeping him out of trouble,(that’s what she does best anyway! That’s why they are made for each other.) um…..that could make sense…..I mean look at all the trouble he got into last night! when she was away! lol!
          and if he did know that someone was trying to kill Beckett what links would he go to…..to protect her. very interesting thought. thanks.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          Thank you, John NYC. I’ve been trying to get this across for two weeks now in multiple postings and you reached someone in one. Congrats!!! Right now no one is in danger b/c the Big Bad believes everyone, including Kate, Rick and Vikram, bought the idea that Agent Hyde was the Big Bad or at least the CIA mole. Her suicide ended it. That’s what Rita meant by saying the bad guys were neutralized, that is, they are laying low again. Kate figures that as long as she can keep her investigation a secret from both the Big Bad and Castle, she and her family will remain safe. It’s a risky play but the only one she apparently thinks she has.

  22. Anonymous says:

    I know its a TV show and the characters aren’t real. But it’s just to painful to watch this unfold. And not for the reasons you might think.
    .
    After spending the last 7+ years of Monday nights being entertained, and with my two favorite “people” Rick and Kate, it just hurts to see them so miserable. So, apparently the writing and acting (at least for me) must be pretty darn good. But the key word is….entertained.
    .
    Real life is messy. Real relationships are hard. I don’t want my “fake” ones to make me feel so bad every Tuesday AM. So…until I am sure this contrived angst/exercise is over by the show runners, I just need a break.

  23. James D says:

    I consider myself a “glass half full” kind of guy and for that reason I will concentrate on what worked in this episode and use it to keep watching and see where things go. what worked, I like that Alexis was more involved I have had my issues with the character but this arc is making me interested in her again, on that note I like the focus on Castle out on his own with Alexis solving murders i think if anything good could come out of “the event” it would be focusing more of the story line and mystery solving on Castle and let Kate take a back seat. I also enjoyed the classic banter and Castle humor. now for the empty part of the glass.

    Why couldn’t they have done the exact same story but have them be married put castle in his box as a PI and Kate in hers as a Captain you would still have the banter and the humor and the charm. My point being IMO the break up does absolutely nothing for the story it certainly didn’t make it funnier than any other castle episode, nor did it reinvigorate the spark between them. another downer and I hate to say this because there was a time where some of my favorite episodes where Beckett mythos ones but seriously Kate who cares about your obsessions and your measly little problems i literally eye rolled when ever her LOCKSET scenes were on. I just don’t care her character is past all this one man army do anything to find the truth BS it is just rehashed dribble in my mind sorry. If they used LOCKSET as way to tie into Castle’s backstory and used it to reignite his mystery that I would be interested in watching. but using it for Kate is pure Deus Ex Machina plain and simple and frankly I expect better from this writing team.

    lastly, How dare they make Castle try and win Beckett back honestly what kind of screw loose do they have. Kate should be on her freaking knees begging for forgiveness after her behavior towards the man she claims to love, and they actually write in a line about Castle going away for two months as if it was his fault or anything remotely similar to what Beckett did. it’s a bunch of malarkey. sorry for the little rant I seem to be doing it more and more with this show it’s very sad. I will say though that I think there is molecule of hope here that show isn’t completely in the dumpster because Castle scenes tonight where entertaining ( if you leave out the trying to win Beckett back part)

    • DarkDefender says:

      Tying LOCSAT to Castle’s disappearance would be brilliant. And if that ends up being the winter break game changer, I would be all in.

      • Kim says:

        I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen. Beckett and Castle’s disappearances will be tied together come fall finale. They will get trapped together and piece it together. Gut feeling, especially since his 8 week disappearance and her still trusting him has been brought up several times in just 3 episodes.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        DD and Kim: I agree. And if they can do it and do it well, it will be brilliant. Not to mention so satisfying. The other benefit is that will show that both Beckett and Castle did exactly the same thing — kept the other one in the dark to protect him/her.

      • lkh says:

        and, yes! if Locksat can be tied to dengue antibodies–we’ve got a story!

      • always been me says:

        maybe it is……we don’t know…..very interesting thought there too, (that’s why i like everyone’s takes on things).

        how do you spell it? some are spelling in “Lockset” and you spelled it “locsat”

        anyway. great thought. it got me thinking…..i think that this might turn out to be a big surprise……

        • always been me says:

          i just had another thought pop into my head I think I know where this is going and why they told us about episode 7 the title!……..i just don’t want to jix it so I will see if I am right. if this comes out to be true let’s just say there are some shocks coming…….so dance on.

    • lkh says:

      It would be nice to believe in a plan. I do, but it’s getting a bit thin. At least this week, Beckett hasn’t been called every nasty thing people can think of. Given the road the writers have taken, and I assume are trying their hardest to get back from, at least both Beckett AND Castle regret some of their own behaviors as to why the relationship works/doesn’t work. So Beckett will not be run out of town and it appears that they are trying to get the characters back together, but not in a lopsided way. Both need to think about what they bring to the table. Castle actually looked like it thought some of the things he did to impress her were actually a problem…well now.

      • lkh says:

        well, ok-we’re stuck with this storyline–how do we get out of it? Dream sequence? :] Beckett wakes up and she has been missing/sleeping for 2 months and thinks she’s been involved in a mystery ‘Locksat’. Castle’s just been watching her sleep, just as happy that she’s not bugging him with all that kissing and hugging. He’s more interested in what’s has happened to his kid and the latest electronic gadget.

        Think that’s too thin? It’s an escape from what we’ve got–maybe just as believable :)

        • lurker says:

          Last year I thought that Castle in coma sleep would have been a nice way out of all the 7th season nonsense? And now again? I’m gonna end up in coma. :)

  24. CMG says:

    Maybe it’s just because I personally have never developed a taste for alcoholic drinks, but it seemed rather implausible to me that someone of Alexis’ age would have the taste for 30-year-old scotch, neat.

    And yes, I agree with the article: if they’re insistent upon demonstrating that Alexis is an adult, they should have just ended it there. The bubble cigars completely destroyed the impact of seeing Alexis having a drink with dear old Dad.

    • CMG says:

      Sorry, 50-year-old scotch. Didn’t have the captioning on and misheard that.

    • Lizo says:

      Naw, someone raised by a father that eclectic would have a taste for scotch. Most chef’s kids have a very developed palette because they are exposed to different foods at such a young age. It’s plausible that Rick would have taught Alexis the values and flavours of alcohol growing up

    • keepitcoming says:

      I think the bubble cigars were to contrast Alexis buying and drinking 50 Year-old scotch with Castle’s immature or kid-like behavior. The theme seems to be that Alexis is growing up and her father isn’t so they can’t go out for ice cream to celebrate anymore!

  25. Amy says:

    It wasn’t even that fun…no real banter between them like in Season 1. I didn’t feel like there was anything wrong last season that would warrant a shift like this….this is like the Moonlighting snafu, but backwards.

    • always been me says:

      @amy

      nothing is ever going to be like season 1-3 at all. I don’t want them to do that, i think it was great just not enough of it. they are going slowly at that. I don’t think there was that much of a “wrong” with them either last season, i just wanted more of how it used to be them working “together” but i do think that this was necessary! they in my eyes have to find out if this is going to work-the shift from head detective to captain. not say working that close with each other. I think we are going to be in for some shockers soon…….

  26. Lizo says:

    I’m seriously disappointed with this. It’s stupid. I’ve never complained about Castle before – I’ve been a happy viewer since it started. But this, this is stupid and ruining the show, the characters, everything. It was unneccesary and I’m really really upset with the EPs/writers who thought this was a good idea.

  27. jahoney1 says:

    Wholly crap. I had to start flipping channels because of how bad most of that episode was. It felt forced. It was funny and interesting in spots, but not enough to sick around for it.

  28. Jes says:

    I really wanted to like it but it just felt off. Something was missing and honestly I thought it was kind of boring. And there is just too much Alexis for me. I like her fine in small doses but if this is what the rest of the season is going to be like I’m not sure I’ll be watching live.

  29. I just have to say ... says:

    It was a ‘meh’ episode for me.
    .
    It would seem to me that both Martha & Alexis would be a bit more upset with Beckett for breaking it off with Rick the way she did. Very odd.
    .
    And a NYPD captain out in the field instead of running her precinct? I don’t buy it. After all, there are more detectives (and cases) working out of the 12th than just Ryan & Esposito.

    • Just one thing says:

      Yes. The 12th precinct deals with robberies, assaults, missing persons, etc. But Beckett somehow has time to investigate a murder alongside the guys? I call shenanigans.
      .
      Laura Prepon’s character from S3 is doubling as Beckett at the precinct, signing paperwork and stuff so Beckett can be in two places at once.
      .
      Or Beckett really cloned herself. One of the two.

  30. DD says:

    I love that there was more Alexis, I could have done with a little less Kate, I’m starting to think it would have been better to just kill or ship her off the show. they’ve already covered and resolved her whole obsession thing now they are just rehashing a resolved plot line it’s sad.

  31. J says:

    The show is circling the drain for me. This excuse for Beckett to move out is just too preposterous for me to remain in the Castle universe. If the all knowing big bad really exists then why not send someone right into Beckett’s office to get rid of her. No need to even go for Castle. Separating from him is a useless endeavor because they can knock on his front door and do him in just as easily. I am sure this is all headed to somehow bringing Castle’s disappearance into play just to add another layer of the unbelievable. I did not see any new “magical” moments or “sparks”. The show is no longer must see for me.

  32. Just one thing says:

    Kate’s going to keep choosing the “obsession in the heart of her” over Castle, a guy who seems to be pretty in love with her.
    .
    I mean, not physically in love with her. But he seems to really psychologically dig her, you know? Like a 75-year-old digs his wife of 50 years because that’s all he can remember beyond when he took his fiber drink that morning.
    .
    Let’s face it: Even after breaking up with Castle, Beckett still initiates all physical forms of affection. One thing Castle is very good at, though, is his ability to hoist Beckett 10 feet up into the air when they’re trapped – mainly because they’re both giants, but also because he’s more comfortable touching her ankles and calves than her face or hands.
    .
    Sometimes Castle looks at Beckett like a fat kid looks at a kale shake. But it’s really pretty romantic, because of the words and stuff.
    .
    Just kidding. Let me post what a lot of people would prefer to read: This episode had tons of SPARK. It was a CLEVER way to continue filling the series with new ENERGY – and FUN! The scenes were DYNAMIC, and are clearly leading to even more BOLD storytelling. Five stars.

    • Laura says:

      haha, that was funny but sadly true. I don´t know if it´s the writing or bad acting or a mix of both but the lack of sexual interest of Castle towards Beckett is really hard to explain specially when you have Stana (who looks like a super model) playing Beckett

      • Just one thing says:

        I recognize that not every woman is every man’s type. But considering how Castle used to act toward Beckett three or four years ago, it’s a marked difference.
        .
        As has been said before, no one needs those two to go at it like animals on NatGeo (in fact, please god, no). But some non-awkward, even G-rated, physical interaction that’s initiated and reciprocated by both parties would help sell a couple who maybe, kind of, somewhat loves each other.

    • Emmakingg says:

      Lol! You are so on point JOT. And because of his lack of acting like he is sexually attracted to her, we have to go through all this nonsense to bring back the “spark.” I can think of so many instances right now where Beckett has been super affectionate and his response is that of an old man.

    • lkh says:

      I’m trying to come up with something supportive, but you are making a good point–you’re dragging me down to that negative ….. here’s something, he doesn’t seem a repulsed by her as he did last season. There.

    • Kris says:

      Haha love the fat kid kale shake comparison. Spot on.

    • sigh says:

      This is the funniest, best post ever. So very very true LOL.

      And seriously, how many more episodes are they going to have him have to hoist her up? Like that’s such an important part of their relationship (right up there with “Always” or coffee or whatever). My eyes can’t roll any higher!

      • Just one thing says:

        Yeah, it was already overdone the third time they did it. But that’s what the writers do sometimes – again, no matter who’s the showrunner. They repeat some of the most asinine things like they’re throwing a bone to Caskett fans or something.

        • lurker says:

          The repeating of some scenes from previous seasons was the thing that annoyed me to no end last season. In one or two episodes OK. But in all of them? And not just the scenes with Beckett and Castle. There were reenacted scenes even with Ryan and Espo. I thought they were done with that, Obviously not. Hey, now they’re reenacting first four seasons. Cool.

  33. Massie says:

    The episode was ok but the Beckett/Vikram storyline is annoyning and unpleasent to watch. completely unnnecesarry and hope the showrunners come to their senses. Also, they should bring back Tori, ditching her for this Vikram did is not cool.

  34. Kim says:

    Episode really did expose how unnecessary this “time out” is! I am still going to watch bc I am forever in love with these characters, but the reasoning is really lame! Beckett can’t even explain it to Castle. Beckett putting her hands lovingly on Castle’s face in the precinct did make me raise both eyebrows! I thought, that’s totally normal and not what I thought I would see?i like it though bc gives us hope. I Did love the jail cell scene! I get what the writers are going for with that spark thing, but could have just written in that way with Castle doing anything to get in on her case bc he doesn’t work with her anymore just as easy?? The end result better be worth it. Hey Beckett, “you cannot leave behind what is always at your side!” Castle will get involved no matter what, most likely you will again be screaming his name to save you when you are hanging from another building. But in that case, I hope he shuts the front door with you…., that same door you left open when you “left”!

  35. skrable2 says:

    We were told the new show runners wanted to re-energize the show. And then we were told that this forced split was a “bold choice.” Neither of these has shown itself yet.

    When TVLine decides to devote part of its recap to talking about how much of the show included scenes between the two leads, it’s clear that what has bothered the fan base is now in the open — what made “Castle” the show we loved to watch was smartly written scenes of the leads together.

    Whether this extended separation is a choice the show runners forced on the show — or if there is some unspoken reason as to why this was necessary — the start of this season is beginning to take its toll on the series, and the fanbase.

    • Georgee says:

      You are right our show runners are missing the point of the story. All summer long they are talking about causing a major split between the two. I wrote to many people with the concern that was not a good idea. Who am I but a fan. Like episode 23 of season 7 when Kate and Rick were talking , at age 11 he was told he should not go into Hollanders Woods and Kate said so you did. I still do not know why Rick and Kate could not have gone after the bad guys as a married couple, and why Kate still has not tell him why she walked out on him. If you go back to season 5 episode 22 (still) Rick refused to leave her side choosing he would rather die with her, not letting her die by herself. I still feels that he feels that way. I hope that when Mr winter told us that episode 7 on 11/16 (Mr and Mrs Castle) that we should feel much better about this season. I hope he not lying to us. Matt from TvLine knows the answer to that question. Will he be bold enough to answer it? Both Nashville and Castle are getting a long winter break this season, does ABC already know what going to happen next season. Both are taking a hit in the Nelson ratings. I hope the show runners turn this thing around ASAP, before the long break.

  36. No, I do not think the story line is logical (I find the characters actions and behaviour making little sense), but after tonight’s episode I can say that I was right about the Castle writers doing this story line well. Because even if I found this idea to be quite flawed – based on how the story had been told so far – I was guessing that they will nail it once they decided to take this road, and do this arc.
    The people who are not watching because they dislike this idea are missing lots of good scenes/things. Because even if Kate’s attempt to do it this way to protect Castle was meant to fail from the start (makes no sense that she ever thought Castle will not insert himself into the secret/gets involved involuntarily at some point), it is entertaining to see it all fold out on screen. And there is so much Caskett goodness! The classic Caskett moments are still there…even if they are taking “time to figure things out”, they both so want it all to go back to how it was.
    Basically – the season rocks…so far And no way would I stop watching. So I am enjoying the arc, and am looking forward to how it all ends. I have my guesses (based on some spoilers, and things), and if my speculation is correct, then they did a very good thing! (did this arc the best way they could have)

    • John NYC says:

      I had a change of heart on her choice. Kate isn’t keeping the secret investigation from Rick to protect him from the Big Bad, it’s to protect him from himself rushing AT the Big Bad and winding up getting himself and Alexis killed. And his impulse to rush into the unknown was shown again in this episode: he heads into that building after a murderer, with his daughter and having zero idea what he’d face. Just the sort of impulse behavior that if he were assisting in investigating the Big bad would get him and others killed.

      So I’m thinking Kate’s mostly right, keeping the investigation VERY MUCH in the shadows keeps the Big Bad unawares (she’s got her day job, Vikram has his day job…) and her being outside the loft means her nighttime investigations with Vikram don’t raise Rick’s curiosity. That seems to be working so far: he’s focused on getting her back, not WHY she took off in the first place.

      • lkh says:

        Thank you! totally agree. She can’t trust him to stay out of it. If she was living with him, it would get very difficult. She’s miserable and everyone is after her. Just think of all the things he’s jumped into–the classified info when she was with the AG, just one example. It’s who he is. She can’t give up the idea that 5 + people are dead because she did a search on Bracken. People can tell her to walk away, but she can’t anymore than he can behave like an adult.

        • lkh says:

          and she already had to rescue him this time–he was captured, tortured and about to be shot, so she had to show up, blah, blah…once again.

      • always been me says:

        i know great thought……

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Good post, John. I can now retire from this thread. :)

        • John NYC says:

          Oh there’ll always be just that one more idiot comment notification that shows up in your inbox… To pull you right back in. 😎

  37. DarkDefender says:

    I thought it was a surprisingly good episode. I actually didn’t mind Castle and Beckett “apart.” In fact, I laughed quite a bit to Castle’s antics and dialogue. I also (surprisingly) found myself not really caring about what Beckett was up to because her reasoning still sounds silly. It also doesn’t really help the situation (for me) that she questions the marriage issues from her decision and in a split second gets her “resolve” to keep going in the investigation.
    .
    I am still not sure where they are going with it all (especially leading up to the winter break “game changer”) but if Castle 2.0 is crafted like this I can dig it. Also, If their intent is to keep Beckett in the mix beyond season 8, they are going to have to put this “it’s in my DNA” thing to rest.. Cause it won’t survive a third go round (IMHO).
    .
    I know I said I wouldn’t watch it live, but I couldn’t help myself. And I found myself really liking the episode overall.. I can’t remember the last time I laughed so much during an episode – since probably Number One Fan or The Way of The Ninja.

  38. BK says:

    I remember the person which leaked Castle is the blind item in early July said we would wishing to go back to 6×23 and Castle’s mythology. I couldn’t imagine how that is even possible now I know. I tune out until they are back together, although I don’t know if I’m still interested then.

  39. Hazel says:

    It’s time to end Castle. Just end the misery and let the show die. I want Nathan to do something else instead of this cr*p show, all Castle does is grovel at Beckett feet – I was hoping he’d grow a backbone and just let her be, but he’s going after he like a sad puppy dog it’s quite pathetic. Just cancel the show or makes this the series last season and end it.

  40. LV Sunny says:

    I don’t care if they are together or apart. I do care about good story lines. This isn’t it and I’ve stopped watching. I would like to thank the Castle group for some very entertaining years, but I’m an adult and I need quality over quantity. Unfortunately for this show, there are some really good new shows that I’m going to spend time checking out in this same time slot.

  41. CastleBuzz says:

    I can understand people not enjoying this episode and not liking the season so far. What I can’t understand is how some here are still on Beckett’s case about leaving Castle because they think she should know that he’s in danger whether she lives with him or not. The point is he is NOT in danger nor is she (and Vikram too) as long as the Big Bad believes they’ve all swallowed the story that Agent Allison Hyde from the AG office committed suicide b/c she was the CIA mole and Bracken’s partner.
    .
    At his time, Rick is in the dark. He doesn’t know about his stepmother. He doesn’t know Hyde was just a patsy. He doesn’t know the Big Bad Wolf is still out there. The sole reason for Kate leaving Rick is to keep him in the dark while she investigates. The separation allows her to do research at night and meet Vikram after hours as she did tonight without Rick knowing. If Castle does find out what she’s doing, not only will he likely blow her cover, putting her in immediate danger, but also — and more importantly to Kate — put himself in danger. Only IF the bad guys figure out she’s still investigating, are any of them in danger. She sincerely believes she and Vikram can keep their hunt for the truth secret from the Big Bad.
    .
    You can rant all you like about the storyline but you can’t keep repeating that Rick’s in danger now. He isn’t. Kate may be wrong in thinking she can investigate on her own, but her action is in keeping with her character.

    • Kim says:

      Definitely!

    • Just one thing says:

      I understand where you’re coming from, but LOCKSAT had some sort of alarm for when any searches went through any database, and that got a bunch of people killed. If Beckett and Vikram accidentally trick another alarm like that – and come on, I’m sure they will for the sake of duh-rama – that will send another army of nutters their way.
      .
      If they think capturing Rick (again) will get Kate’s attention, they will. And they’re clearly not above killing people. So, by being half-assed out of Rick’s life, she is still putting his life in danger by investigating.
      .
      It’s going to be difficult to convince many people otherwise.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        I’m assuming Vikram knows how to circumvent that alarm or that it’s been removed by the CIA. What Beckett’s doing is definitely NOT without risk of discovery. She’s between a rock and a hard place right now and this is the path she thinks will have the best outcome. Obviously, if Big Bad finds out about her investigation, she will immediately be taken out along with anyone else the bad guys believe may be in the know. I grant you the rationale is a bit thin but I maintain it’s within her character to respond like this. IMO as long as the writers/showrunners left the Big Bad out there, Beckett could not have done anything else.

    • lkh says:

      yes, it’s a bit thin but what I liked (and there was some chuckles) was that Castle is starting to express that his behavior might be part of the reason for Beckett’s decision. He realized that he’s trying to impress her, that he gets involved when he shouldn’t, and I’m just grateful that they are at least showing some of this aspect of the problem. I would say a 15 yo boy, but sometimes he’s not even there. Why doesn’t someone say, crap, Beckett’s going thru something really awful because she can’t count on Castle to cooperate and act like an adult. Yes, her choice, but don’t we gather the information we have, what we know and then make our choices?

      • ndixit says:

        What nonsense! How has Castle ever compromised any of their work through his behavior. This just pulling crap out of nowhere to desperately support Beckett! Castle has cooperated and it is largely because of his help that Kate was even able to solve her mother’s murder. In fact it was she, acting like a pig headed 5 year old, who almost got herself thrown off a roof because she wasn’t behaving like an adult. The hypocrisy is amazing. Castle is childish, but he never takes murder and death lightly and just insinuating that is a flat out lie.

        • Just one thing says:

          Alright, ndixit. Alright. We get it. Beckett is a completely useless moron who’s nothing – absolutely nothing – without her savior, the light of her life, Richard Castle. Thanks for being there to remind us when we lose sight of the truth.

        • CastleBuzz says:

          ndixit, when did you become a comedian? I think your blinders are too tight.

          • lkh says:

            hey, shhhh, just ignore him…

          • CastleBuzz says:

            I know you’re right, lkh. It’s just so hard. And it’s OK…I’m already on blood pressure meds. :)

          • always been me says:

            @castlebuzz

            not compromised their work, what? he just did in this esp or so he thinks he did. He even says that letting his views to impress her, may have caused them to lose this case. but i don’t think he did in most cases. he helped do what no one else did. I didn’t really understand how any of what he did mess it up and that that was out of say what left field…..but what isn’t in this show….that’s what makes it fun for me getting to see it from different ways.

      • Joe says:

        Castle doesn’t act as an adult??? Beckett has not been able to maintain one adult relationship her entire life…she leaves her husband using the logic of a ten year old…oh and castle raised a daughter as a single parent while supporting his mother for years…Becket would have given up abkid for adoption the first time she had to follow an obsession…

        • lurker says:

          I’ll bite. You mean she’s not an adult like Castle who has two failed marriages, a tone of superflous flings, a rap sheet at the police. At the age of 29 she wares her father’s watch for the life, his life, she saved form alcocholism, celebrating his 5th year of soberness, She was 24 when he stopped drinking. I guess at that age Castle was riding a stolen police horse while being naked through Central Park. My point – things are not black and white.

    • Kim Holtby says:

      Why wouldn’t he be in danger? They wiped out an entire FBI team whether they actually knew anything or not. Why would they simply assume that Rick knows nothing? Alternatively, do they really have the resources to wipe out her entire precinct without repercussions? And wasn’t anything in the precinct documented? The ability to cover things up in the Castle-verse seems magical.

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Kim H, if the bad guys assumed Rick, Kate, et al knew something or were continuing to investigate, they’d all be dead already. The assumption to be made here is that the baddies have gone underground again because they assume Kate and cohorts accepted their patsy (the woman who allegedly committed suicide) as the head of their group.

    • ndixit says:

      How exactly will Castle finding out blow her cover? What is Castle going to do, go out into the media and announce what Beckett is up to. That’s an incredibly weak defense of Kate’s actions. If she separated with Rick to keep him safe because the villains could come after him while she is investigating this case, then there is the obvious flaw that they could do that regardless. If she’s trying to keep the case a secret from Rick, then she is just being flat out stupid because Castle’s curiosity is bound to get him involved and this time he will be navigating this thing blind, without Beckett. So what is Beckett trying to accomplish here? The simple fact is that she is doing this because she feels she can only operate while she’s lying and she’s just not mentally equipped to be in a trusting relationship

    • J says:

      This whole Kate has to leave to protect Castle story line is ridiculous. The only piece of it that makes any sense is that it gives Kate the freedom to do what she wants without Castle. Which means it is all about her, again. If there was a tiny bit of real world in this then the big bad would get her by any means possible regardless of where she is. They know that Kate got Bracken even though he thought he was invincible. Why would they take a chance by leaving her alone now? They wouldn’t. She is not hard to find. To add even more plot stupidity I am sure that this will all intersect with Castle’s disappearance somehow. That way he can be made to look at least as bad as Kate does now in a story line that will be even more unbelievable.

    • always been me says:

      @CastleBuzz

      very very true, i did forget he doesn’t know about all of it. I was looking at it like a 3rd person and not 1st person-that’s why or for me couldn’t understand her actions. now i can. my worry now is that he is digging into where his wife went and why, which will put him in danger. Hopefully she can get this taken care of quickly…..and i think that all of this will tie into possibly his disappearance. it was never really clear for me, it was lame excuse as well……and why bring it up like a hundred times. it’s like they were rubbing it in his face!

      and i don’t see anything wrong with this, it is in her character…. and i love it!

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Thanks, always. Right now the writers have Rick more interested in “winning her back,” which I think is an unfortunate phrase for the showrunners to have used, than in figuring out why she left. That’ll give Kate some time, but as she told Vikram in the locker room it won’t be long before Castle begins to nose into her business. So, yeah, she needs to do this quickly. How she can think she can uncover the Big Bad at all, quickly or not, is beyond me since Rita said she’d been working on identifying the CIA mole for a year. I doubt Kate will be successful on her own. If I were writing this story arc, I’d have the two of them come back together, each with key pieces of the puzzle, and solve it as Mr. and Mrs. in 8×07. If the writers can do that, wow! If they can also shed light on Rick’s disappearance, double wow!!

        • always been me says:

          @castlebuzz

          maybe Rita was the one that killed the woman, so that Beckett, ect would stop looking…..um….
          and also when i heard the title “mr/mrs” that’s what i thought they would be back together and working on this as they always have. and also thought that it might have to do with his disappearance, some how cause we didn’t really get any closer there, but then again maybe we did and we missed it.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            always — I haven’t made up my mind about Rita, but I think she’s a fairly straightforward character, brought in as a replacement for Castle’s father b/c Brolin didn’t want to return to that character. I also haven’t made up my mind about the suicide. I think it was probably forced. One of the bad guys probably threatened her family unless she killed herself. It would have to look like suicide to police and medical examiner for the plan to make her the patsy work. As for the 8×07 ep, I hope it turns out the way we want but, if not, something equally as good!

  42. L8wrtr says:

    Didn’t watch it live out of fear of what I’m reading here. Looks like our worst fears came true. I’ll give the show a try tomorrow night on the dvr, but if it’s as bad as everyone is indicating (and I sadly don’t see how it can’t be) then it will be time to remove it from the DVR and move on to something new.

    RIP Casket. 2009-2014?

    • always been me says:

      @l8wrt

      i personally loved it, yes it had it’s problems but for me it was one the better ones in awhile. like i said it’s all up to the person watching, one may like the way the characters is and one might hate them. um my suggestions is just to watch it. most people here are just venting over the dislikes of it…..which is fine, but for me I just take it all with a grain of salt. i watch differently then others, and my point of view is that we are all passionate fans who really care for the show and think “we” are the ones that are right-i wouldn’t let someone tell me what i should or should like about it. let me tell you it was entertaining….. i found some of it to be down right funny and other times, sad.

  43. Ben says:

    Huh. Well, judging by the comments, I’m in the minority. I was on board with it. Don’t me wrong, the separation is dumb. Really dumb. That being said, I do like the little moments between Castle and Beckett. I also really like that all “side” characters got to stretch their legs a bit more. The boys going Jump Street was hilarious to me. I’m liking Alexis and Rick’s banter. It’s not as good as C&B, but it’s good in a different way. I think the “after your wits,” line was my favorite thing of the episode. Oh, I also liked that she blew the bubbles at the end. They’re trying to so hard to make her seem grown-up, that it’s nice to see her be goofy. She’s Rick’s kid after all, you’d expect her to be silly sometimes.

    • NDFan says:

      I’m in the minority too, but then I usually am when it comes to this show. I’ve always watched for all the characters and I found this to be a fun episode. I’m not sure where everything’s going but I’m definitely sticking around to find out.

    • always been me says:

      @ben
      .
      .
      .
      .
      i agree, i thought that was the best line. and as for them being “childish” at the end i loved that, brings back fun and yes he will never grow up. he doesn’t want her to either. i was laughing and have a good time with this one. i will have to see it again (when i have the time).

  44. geordie boy jimbo says:

    referring to a season seven episode did kate beckett told her husband rick castle married people tell each other everything? kate its time to tell rick about LOCKSTAT at least let him help kate!!!

    • Dr. Enie says:

      Absolutely! Castle is portrayed as an almost genius. He has been superb in solving many of the murders or cases. Why don’t the writers urn it around and let them solve the big BAD. They should follow the fans and also what kept the ratings at 10 last season. The fans deserve better and Castle has a fantastic fan base!! Dr. Enie

  45. Alexandria Hall says:

    What happen to all the serious/humor mix? That was the magic. I don’t think this whole, we’re finally together and in love with one another forever. They’ve had some sloppy story lines in the past, and we let it go because it’s, well, Castle. But this? They’ve surpassed all past sloppy-ness. Think about it people. Her whole excuse is that she’s protecting Castle from getting killed??. What rubbish. They want to kill Kate, easy target. They want to hurt Kate, Castle is open and easy target. Her character has gone beyond annoying, a total yawn and her story line interest has reached it’s end. One dimensional character. The name of the show is Castle. I’d start watching again if Kate was killed off. Castle’s story is far more interesting and has many facets. Kate was one dimensional. I say, kill off Kate, Castle is shot too, but has amnesia, therefore doesn’t remember anything about her. And bring that fun, carefree and interesting Castle back. Besides right now I’m enjoying the whole father/daughter sleuthing.

    • keepitcoming says:

      I agree. Beckett’s “all about me” psychosis has me not liking her. It even makes me not like Stana which I realize is not reasonable but I get the impression that Stana has a limited range. I’m looking forward to see her in Sister Cities to see if I’m wrong.

      If she was off the show I don’t know if Rick Castle could continue as the plot line is so involved with the 2 characters. But Fillion is such a great and flexible actor that he could do anything. I watched Con Man (his new project with Alan Tudyk) on the weekend. First 4 mini-ep’s were hilarious!!

      They should give Molly Her own spinoff or maybe cast her as a Nancy Drew-like character. NBC is looking for a Nancy Drew and she’d be a natural. Fillion could make guest appearances as her Dad or something. In the meantime I’m digging the Alexis and her Dad dynamic as well. Also digging Alexis as an adult – Molly is rockin’ it with her adult looks!

      • always been me says:

        @keepitcoming

        so just because you don’t like the character you don’t like the actor-that’s just, shakes her head, wow.
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        that’s just a sad way of looking at things.

        • keepitcoming says:

          It’s called association or conditioning in one of their many carnations. The important thing is that I recognize it and adjust for it so that it’s eliminated. I’m a BIG fan of Stana’s as I live 70 miles from her place of birth. I’m hoping she develops into a massive star (not physically – career-wise). I’m also a Big fan of Fillion and hope he is as great a star. He’s just more likeable on screen and in real life.
          PS Have met both of them!

    • MM says:

      Castle’s story is a bore. Beckett’s story has been carrying the show all these years. Why do you think ratings collapsed as soon as the focus was on Castle? Neither the actor nor the character have enough charisma to carry the show on their own.

      • Tica says:

        Agree! MM

      • Marie Wilkerson says:

        I agree but the writers should wake up …. could be so much more for the couple solving murders and maybe adopting an orphan…..

      • CastleBuzz says:

        Exactly, MM. I would add that it’s not only Beckett’s story that has been carrying the show for years but the actress behind the Beckett characterization. Nathan’s an OK actor but nothing special. Any number of actors could have played the role of Richard Castle as good as if not better than he. Nathan’s fine with the comedy stuff, but tends to grimace his way through the more dramatic parts. I can’t think of any actress who could play Beckett with the authority, presence, nuance, and subtlety of Katic. She plays dramatic scenes with complete believability, turning on a dime with an instantaneous change of expression. And her straight man to Fillion’s comic — a far more difficult role — is priceless in timing and intonation.

      • always been me says:

        @mm
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        so you rather see Beckett running around like chicken with her head cut off then to see the two of them together? neither one of them could carry this show no matter how good of an actor/actress they are. sorry. the show only works with both. i don’t see it going on without either.

    • lurker says:

      So you want the story about the police or PI expert with no expertise whatsoever being better, smarter, handsomer, wittier (and so on) than the bunch of seasoned detectives, expert profilers from FBI, CIA and other three-letters agencies spies? OK.

  46. Kris says:

    Haven’t seen the episode yet..as well as the first two..will probably binge watch it once the fall finale ep airs..but i’ve set my expectations to really low so i might find it enjoyable when i do. Haha

  47. Kim Holtby says:

    This episode made my brain hurt. She ‘left Rick’ to ….. go nowhere? She met her fellow FBI survivor at the precinct! And why exactly does she feel that her only alternative in pursuing this is to do so as a duet with FBI guy? Does she really think that this conspiracy would be able to wipe out the entire precinct with no waves or without making it even worse for them?

    As for the mystery, why is the military involvement just glossed over? That isn’t just unethical activity, that would be the US Military engaging in said unethical illegal activity. And any non-disclosure agreements signed mean nothing the moment controls went out the window.

    It isn’t an option in the multiple choice above, but I really am not sure if I’ll bother to watch next week or not. The writing is way too contrived.

    • Anonymous says:

      My college-aged kids tweet and Facebook about everything. To think that signing a non-disclosure would stop them from over sharing absolutely everything about that psychology experiment is a joke.
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      These Hollywood types live in such a narssacistic bubble, it’s easy to explain how they keep underestimating why their mostly non-LA living fan base can’t take them, or their story lines, seriously anymore. They would do good to hire just one reasonable person from these postings to challenge some of their more ludicrous plot points. Might help with their credibility.

      • Morisot says:

        OMG – TMI . LOL, exactly!

      • CastleBuzz says:

        So nice, Anon, that you managed to instill a sense of integrity into your millennials. It’ll certainly serve them well in the real world when they shrug off any and all contractual obligations — student loans, leases, marriage licenses, mortgages, etc., etc.

  48. Waleed says:

    I think one of the reasons might be what THR interviewer asked the writers that this (break up) have to do from something offscreen, sharing less/no romantic & intimate moments between the two.
    If the interviewer is asking this question that means there might be some truth about the rumors.

    • John NYC says:

      No, it just means The Rumors are out there.

    • keepitcoming says:

      I think something happened between Stana and Nathan around the time he reportedly went to Marlowe to discuss his concerns about the Beckett centric direction of the show. Stana may have taken that as an attempt to undermine her role and character development. Since then there has been tension and an insider report/rumor that Stana can’t stand being around Nathan when on set. If so, great acting on her part when they have those kiss scenes.
      Who know’s? Probably it will all come out next year after the series is over.

      • Dj says:

        I don’t get why if someone is so unhappy and they can’t stand being around their costar why they would resign for another year. If that is the case why not just move on with your career. Is the money that good or is the situation not as bad as the rumors.

        • John NYC says:

          Bailing on a project due to a dislike of a coworker would be career suicide outside some blockbuster megastar: and Katic isn’t that.

          That said this fandom is poisonous enough I don’t believe there’s ANY reality to those rumors, people have just felt this absurd need to pick sides and then go nuts. look at all the Hayley hate, for a recurring afterthought? Yeah that makes sense. All because there’s the “rumor” she’s maybe a romantic distraction for Rick. Which is denied by everyone concerned to no avail.

          • Dj says:

            If she was under contract and walked out because of issues with her costar I would agree that would be career suicide. But not resigning for another year wouldn’t be. With her just getting married and working on indy movies people wouldnt blame her much if she wanted to leave. Most would blame the show for not keeping her. Now I agree 100% about the rumors. I’ve never believed them and still don’t.

        • LSR says:

          Dude! Seriously! It’s the money! Nothing out there is definite but the minimum per ep listed was $100K several years ago and I saw some recent figures in the range of $400K to 500K per ep. That’s got to be some major dislike to give up a 9 million a year salary.

        • keepitcoming says:

          DJ – Like I said Who knows? Rumors are rumors and you can’t trust them but sometimes there is an ounce of truth. I think the fact that Nathan signed almost immediately and Stana was a last second signing is tell-tale to the commitment level to show (and fans!). It also might be an indication on who is having the problem?
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          And definitely, it is for the money! Sixteen hour days for 8 months with only a few breaks (mid-break is longer this year) in a pressure cooker of a career/job.
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          • Beckstle says:

            keepitcoming: Nathan did not sign “almost immediately.” Stana and Seamus at different points made it clear that they weren’t being negotiated with until ‘other people” were dealt with. Stana said that in that same article where she made the “art vs. fiance’ comment. From what little we heard and saw about the negotiations, and the way the cast was acting – plus that “season finale” that could have been a “series finale” – no one expected Nathan to resign. He had nearly the entire season to negotiate a contract. Stana had two months, and likely had to rearrange the summer plans she had made based on the idea that the show was ending. So, if you really want to go there with who was committed and who has “the problem” Stana doesn’t seem to be the likely candidate.

          • Dj says:

            On TV shows a lot of negotiations come down to last minute/late in the year. So in all honest it’s more likely both Stana and Nathan had the same amount of time to work on their contracts. And if they did ask Stana and others to wait then that kind of sound like whoever was in charge was saying there is no show without Nathan.

          • Beckstle says:

            DJ: You could be on to something. Look at what they did in season seven – especially with Castle P.I. It was the lowest rated episode of the season…and yet the concept is back? It would seem that someone had that thought about the show and it’s focus. I mean, the ratings say it was a wrong thought – but someone certainly may have had it. It also could just be Hollywood as usual: when it comes to money/salary issues it’s rare that men and women get treated equally.

          • castle lover says:

            @keepitcoming

            i know who would want to come back and torture themselves if they were that unhappy, (to the point that they didn’t want to work with each other) both had other projects they could have gone to with out all the stress and yet they came back, why? i know that money plays a roll, but i don’t think that was all there was too it. every rumor has some “truth” to it. just how big we don’t know and never will unless one does end up talking about it, (not going to happen).

          • Rose says:

            I agree that Stana signed last minute, but I would like to think she is dedicated to the show as she always has been. Maybe I’m just fooling myself because I’ve always felt that she made the show a hit opposite Nathan. Castle has been one of the best on tv I’m not ready to let it go. I will continue my dedication & support to her & pray that the writers will get KB & RC back together again, I believe they have something special. Please don’t let the fans down

          • castle lover says:

            @rose
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            i used to believe that too, what a fool i was, i read and saw videos of her out on vacation time, which i don’t mind until it affects the way the showrunners writers ect have to work around that, which they did poorly by separated them. there were other ways to do that. all of us fans wanted was more “Caskett” and yet, we aren’t getting it. is that too much to ask for?
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            i saw all this and i felt betrayed by her, if she wanted more time off, i get it. then shorten the season instead of giving us this crap of a season. i was willing to wait to see what they came up with and all, but not after reading what’s coming up. a slaughter esp-hate that actor (sorry someone love you Adam, just not me), an esp about “smelling her (beckett), and one with a new guy to say what mess with her. where’s the “Payoff” in that? having more non Beckett esp, that doesn’t sound like they are trying to fix it, it sounds like they are trying to go deeper and deeper. it’s sinking for me faster then the Titanic. And guess what i really don’t care anymore. you just lost a big fan, not only for Castle but for ABC and STana.

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            Stana I thought that i could count on you as a great and yes one of the best actors, and now not so much! if you are going to commit to something then go all out with it not half way. in my eyes YOU are the one that is destroying Castle, not the showrunners. (sorry that’s how i feel right now) oh and i wont be following her new movies, which i really want to see. good luck to all who stay with the show, but it wont be me. I don’t have faith in the commitment of the actors then there’s not point in the show. I could ALWAYS, count on my fav actors (Stana and Nathan) to be there when i needed them the most,(to make everything okay) and now not so much for Stana. But I do thank you for 7 great years, and the best times of my life. and i wish the show and the fans the best of luck in what they end up doing but for me a big big fan I say with a broken heart. good bye!

      • myopinion says:

        keepitcoming, I agree with your first sentence. Something happened between S and N and to ignore that is to give in to wearing blinders. But what, is the question.
        I first thought that the ‘hissy fit’ rumor was just an overblown assessment.
        But subtle hints and now overt signs are sanctioning that something happened and I believe that it started with Nathan discussing his concerns about Stana becoming the main focus of the show.
        I further agree that maybe Stana saw it as an effort to undermine her. Things started to change between them just after the hissy fit rumor supposedly happened.
        But I noticed that even then the focus remained on Beckett and the number of her good to excellent acting reviews started to increase. These reviews were noted week after week until the cry became, where SK’s emmy
        I think Nathan was promised that his character would receive the focus when they wrapped Beckett’s mother murder case.
        Then we got the year of Castle. But that was a mistake on a grander scale because it only pointed to the fact that Stana had been carrying this show almost totally on her back.
        This was reflected in the ratings almost immediately.And while they dropped the original plans of Castle Pi and the Castle mythology in S7 the focused remained on Castle and what resulted was pieced together episodes that planned into Nathan’s so-called strength, comedy. But I do not think he pulls off comedy. His idea of comedy is grown man silly. He was made to look like a buffoon, prancing around and just making faces.
        Nathan just does not possess the depth and range of Stana Katic and it shows even when she is pushed to a supporting part. But Nathan is certainly better than the butt of the joke.
        I do not know why Marlowe left, either asked to leave or pushed out.
        If he was pushed out I think it was because he refuse to reduce his show to only a shadow of what he intended.
        I think Srana left mainly due to her trust in Marlowe continuing to give her character integrity.
        I think that they continue to try to make Castle PI work. I think that they are prepping for a spinoff if Stana leaves again.
        But I just think that Nathan is not interesting enough to carry a show alone and poor Molly has no range or depth either.
        The show buried itself because they abandon the person who made this show successful and Marlowe was aware that she carried the show and that is why he focused on Beckett.
        They continue to undermine Beckett and Stana should not have returned. She could find another TV show based on her history on Castle.
        She seems flat, disappointed and disinterested now. She knows the show is now crap.
        To save this show, bring back Marlowe who knew the characters he created and writers like Beall.
        These two jokers do not have a clue. That writing for 803 was just lazy writing.

        • keepitcoming says:

          You are obviously a Stana Fan, which is cool. I disagree with you about Nathan and his level of acting. It’s the writing and direction that has hampered the show. Marlowe left to pursue other interests and is creating new shows. He saw that he and his wife could only take this show so far and left. He focused on Beckett and how Castle reacted to her (from interview) because that was what he thought the fan base (mostly women) wanted. His belief was that he balanced the rest around her.
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          • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

            Be advised, I have a low threshold for disseminating gossip in comments. There are dozens of sketchy sites that will gladly accommodate you. Talk smart about TV. Appreciated.

          • myopinion says:

            Dude where are all these fans of Nathan’s. Please tell them to tune in and save this show. Ratings of 1.2 will not cut water. Because for the network it is all about the dead presidents.
            Yes, I am a fan of Stana. Fact is I would have abandoned this show a few seasons ago if Stana had not brought IT. But I am also a bigger fan of good TV and good acting.
            I am selfish enough to say entertain me.
            But fan that I am of Stana’s, even if they had cast another capable and talented actress and wrote some good scripts, I am there. That’s entertainment. It’s why we turn the TV on, for entertainment, for brief escapism until we must return to realism.
            Stana and her becoming Beckett gave me that. Even if she was in a scene with Jon or Seamus or Captain Sir or maybe confining in Lanie, allowing that character to be her sounding board I was able to get what I tuned in for. Unlike others I was not just a fan of Caskett, I was a fan of the show. I do not know Marlowe from a hole in the ground and meeting celebrities is just not my thing. I rather find it silly. I maybe a ‘Jonny Come Lately’ but I not realize that Marlowe knew these characters and it took losing Marlowe to awaken me to that.
            Stana is not Beckett and that’s how I know Stana, she brought me a very talented Beckett. She entertained.
            No Stana is not Meryl Streep, another actress who brings IT every time as does DDL.
            That’s my interest in them, That and only that. Who DDL gets alone with is just another event in a world of events. But he was a darn good Lincoln and if he argued with everyone on set that would be a problem they must solve, just give me his Lincoln.
            But from the little I have seen of Stana’s talents on Castle I have every confidence that she has a Meryl in her somewhere.
            Maybe Nathan has a DDL in there somewhere if given the opportunity and the demand.
            But he has not shown that hidden talent to me yet.
            I find it will serve us both if we ignore your personality ramblings. I’ll just put that on the silly behavior list.

          • CastleBuzz says:

            Thank you, myopinion. Beautifully put.

  49. Waleed says:

    After all that has happened. I just want to see #Castle completely ignore Beckett. And then she fights for him. That’s something for a change.
    The writers said they are shaking things up & it’s a new dynamic and on other hand they say it’s return of s1,2,3. So what’s new???