Arrow @ PaleyFest: Will the Offer Have 'Dire Consequences'? Plus: Felicity's 'Options,' Thea Vs. Dad and More

Arrow Olicity Spoilers

For Arrow‘s Oliver Queen, “It’s going to get worse before it gets better,” series star Stephen Amell warned Saturday night during the CW series’ PaleyFest panel.

Acknowledging that it’s “interesting to have a Big Bad who’s very interested in Oliver staying alive” — as Ra’s al Ghul obviously is, having invited his onetime opponent to assume leadership of the League of Assassins — Amell noted, “If you know Ra’s and his tactics… you realize that it’s an ‘offer’ in name only. It’s a demand. And if Oliver says no, there will be incredibly dire consequences.”

That dilemma — be him else be felled by him — marks “the big thrust of the last third of the season,” Amell said, resulting in a “more defeated” Oliver. That said, the actor posited that after roughly “70 episodes of ‘Don’t talk to me'” stand-offishness by Team Arrow’s leader, there have to be happier days ahead, at some point. “You can only stare broodingly out a window for so long,” he stated.

Elsewhere during the panel discussion, which was populated by Amell, David Ramsey, Katie Cassidy, Emily Bett Rickards, Colton Haynes, Paul Blackthorne, Willa Holland, John Barrowman and exec producers Marg Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg and Greg Berlanti:

* Surveying disenfranchised Felicity’s current POV on Oliver, Rickards said, ‘She’s like, ‘Hell no, I’m not going to deal with somebody who only gives half of their emotions.’ But she still cares for him deeply.” Right here and now, however, “She needs the time to go and explore her options,” Ray Palmer included. “She needs that nourishment and support of love.” Amell’s stance? “If there’s… a moment where Oliver finally decides to ‘let go’ and get into the land of the living, the object of his affection would most likely be Felicity — but she’s spoken for.”

* Reeling as Thea is from the discovery that Malcolm duped her into killing Sara and then kept it a secret, “I don’t see her coming back from that lightly. I don’t see it going well,” Holland said. “Every time he comes into the room, I just might kill him!” Especially since protecting her own life, and not taking others’, was her sole reason for training under her father. “I don’t think she ever fathomed the idea of killing someone, [so] this is a huge weight on her shoulders,” the actress said.

* Asked how Diggle is juggling life-threatening derring-do with his role as father and soon-to-be husband, Ramsey explained, “The struggles that Oliver has,” pushing away a loved one as he did with Felicity, “Diggle has reconciled much of that. He can have a family and a wife and a child, and he can also fight crime… The struggle that Oliver has, Diggle doesn’t.”

* Rickards affirmed that during her next visit to The Flash, Felicity will “go computer-to-computer” with her own arch nemesis, Brie Larvan aka DC Comics’ Bug-Eyed Bandit (played by The Walking Dead‘s Emily Kinney). “We have a ‘tech-off.'”

* Speculation about Malcolm’s love life led to Guggenheim jokingly invoking the name of Felicity’s mother, Donna Smoak — to which Barrowman roared, “That would be so awesome!” But then Blackthorne jumped in to note, “Excuse me, Lance hasn’t been laid in seven years!”

* Asked by a young audience member to tease no less than Season 4, Kreisberg offered that because of how the current season ends, “The show will never be the same again.”

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25 Comments
  1. m3rcnate says:

    Was surprised they didn’t really bring up the Atom at all, i’d have thought Felicity sleeping with him would have been a hot button topic.

    • Patrick Maloney says:

      At the event, the producers said that Oliver will be more tempted to take Ghul’s offer due to Atom’s presence, and the fact that Ray Palmer finds out about Oliver’s secret. That being said, Ray Palmer was mentioned in this article.

  2. Drew says:

    This has been an off season for Arrow. I still like it, but I think that Ray could have been a two or three episode background character, rather than taking up as much time as he has without really contributing to the overall story. I think that the Oliver/Felicity drama has put both characters in awkward boxes this year, killing the team dynamic. Oliver seems less intelligent and less competent as a fighter this year. And the overall arc of the season doesn’t feel as cohesive as past seasons.
    That said, Laurel has had a great arc. Ted is a solid character who has been used well without being used too much. Thea has come a long way as well. Maseo and Tatsu are great additions to the DC TV universe.
    I’m looking forward to seeing Diggle shine in the upcoming Suicide Squad episode, since he has been relegated to the bench a bit too much lately.

    • Rachel says:

      @drew Agreed!

    • Oldrolex says:

      I agree. About the only time this season that it felt like “Arrow” was when Oliver and Diggle took on Ra’s in his lair. Otherwise there’s been altogether too much angst, too many tangential angles. I realize the show has to evolve and the characters need to develop but it just seems to have gone too far afield. How many episodes need to be given to Atom to set the stage for his own spin off show? How many episodes need to be devoted to the evolution of Laurel as the new Canary? How much longer is Oliver going to beat himself up? The series is dragging. I hope the writers have it in them to pick up the pace and circle back to the show’s roots.

    • murley says:

      Overall I have enjoyed this season of Arrow but I think you made some very fair points. While I like Ray Palmer I feel like his scenes don’t tonally fit with the rest of the show and they always take me out of the story a little. Plus he is there as part spin off plant and part love interest conflict and it makes it hard to just enjoy him in his own right. On the other hand I think the way they have included Thea and Laurel this season has been much more successful than in seasons past. My only other complaint is with Ras-there is a lot of telling us how dangerous he is but not a lot of showing it (stabbing Oliver and throwing him off a cliff aside. Which was awesome). I am beginning to feel like the real Big Bad of this season is Oliver himself. He is becoming his own worst enemy. And if that was well executed it could be cool.

      • Harper says:

        ^^^This!
        I 100 percent believe Oliver has become the true adversary this season. Whether intentionally written or not. Although Ras is Ras & will always be a huge villain in the DC world, Oliver has become a crutch for himself. In a way, I think Oliver always has been but its coming more into fruition this season. As countless characters have said/demonstrated, secrets & doing things alone will eat away at relationships & the things that make you, you. And while Oliver isn’t necessarily directly lying to anyone (except maybe Lance), he still hasn’t let himself fully live outside of his quest.
        Ultimately, I hope this season’s attempts to find a balance of who Oliver truly is, with his overarching goal of protecting the city/people he loves, will result in a stronger Oliver. Someone who can finally make peace with himself & his choices & not be racked with guilt at the consequences of those decisions. Aka a less broody Oliver. Hopefully Oliver’s growing closer to being someone who could (finally) understand Oliver Queen & the Arrow can coexist, much like Diggle has been able to demonstrate this season. The life they both lead causes sacrifice, but doesn’t have to result in sacrificing everything. Its really Oliver’s quest to discovering that. I think that’s why this season has so many growing pains. Its supposed to be uncomfortable &, I think, in a way it’s supposed to make Oliver a little less likable at the moment because Oliver doesn’t really like himself right now. This season has brought to the forefront his struggle to reconcile who he was with who he is & who he will allow himself to be. Its an ugly process but I think, when all is said & done, it’ll breathe new life into the show giving a great kick off to season 4.
        Just my very lengthy 2 cents.

        • Fiona says:

          Exactly… I’m just not clear on the timing of all that still needs to happen since we’re down to the last 8 episodes… because the EPs said the way this season ends means that the show will be totally changed… so I’m worried that they’ll end S3 with him as Ras = darkest before the dawn that will only come in S4 –
          (and this might be why his relation with Diggle will be different going forward). So S4 will be Oliver having to rebuild all his relationships that he destroyed over this past year.

    • Sil says:

      Thank u for what you’ve said. That’s me to a tee.

  3. Natalie says:

    Everything About this season being slightly off is true. It just doesn’t feel right. And I do think Ray has a lot to do with it. It’s taking away from arrow. I dunno this season feels disjointed.

    • Oldrolex says:

      +1 on this. The show has gone from one I enjoy watching to one I’d LIKE to enjoy watching again. It appears that the writers have deliberately destroyed the chemistry that existed between Oliver, Diggle and Felicity to a near-intolerable tension between the three (and Roy, and Laurel, and Thea, and Malcolm).

  4. ““If you know Ra’s and his tactics… you realize that it’s an ‘offer’ in name only. It’s a demand. And if Oliver says no, there will be incredibly dire consequences.”” hasn’t that plot already pretty much played out in the Batman comics?

  5. Rachel Kovach says:

    Really love this show. The magic this show has is in the dynamics of the cast. Yes, angst is always important, but there needs to be a turning point. Still rooting for Olicity, but it’s great to see felicity out there and not pining for Oliver like a kicked puppy. Keep up the great work arrow team!

  6. Kim&Bey says:

    I’m happy for Felicity, she found someone she desired and who desired her back and things happened, she’s a big girl and it’s great to see her act in a mature way to know not to wait in vain for what might/might not happen with Oliver. If and when Oliver is ready to be with her, he will need to stand in line, she should not get an automatic pass…

    • Kim&Bey says:

      **he should not get an automatic pass…

      • Fiona says:

        Totally agree. This is what we all want/expect when we talk about an “earned” relationship… that Oliver should “earn” back Felicity’s trust and closeness that he has pretty much destroyed recently. I think we’re all hoping that S4 will be Oliver repairing all the relationships he has wrecked so far this season and it’s still not over yet – he might also fall out with Diggle too!

  7. Dewsterling says:

    So there was no mention or discussion of Black Canary, but the Senior Smoak/Merlyn issue was such an important discussion point that it was required coverage in this an every other Paley/Arrow article?

  8. xdemon says:

    I agree … This season has not been great ray Palmers story line is dragging on too long not a major impact laural should be killed off. Pointless having her around.

  9. herman1959 says:

    Bug-Eyed Bandit! I can’t wait to see this one.

  10. Ella says:

    Nothing on Laurel? Feels like the fans of this actress and character just continue to get shafted.

  11. fedupfeminist says:

    This season is off because of SO many things – including how they’ve written Felicity – it’s not about her sitting waiting for Oliver, it’s about how does she actually feel about him cause if she really does love him then she would be fighting him for a chance at them being together cause she would realize that even though Oliver is just standing there and not running towards her, he equally isn’t running away from her (cause he ain’t, he may say they can’t be together but also can’t make himself not say ILY etc), and for someone with PTSD issues THAT is a HUGE deal. And the Felicity of season 1 and 2 would have done that, but they have re-written her character (cause without showing us any real reasoning from her etc of why she isn’t stepping up e.g. like abandonment issues maybe, this is akin to re-writing the character for the plot) and using her to prop up a badly written character like Ray Palmer (stalker,creepy, manipulative behaviour interspersed with cooky funniness, you just don’t know where you’re are with him, I still keep expecting him to be revealed as a bad guy) who they are so obviously desperate to have in a spin off and to bring in some stupid love triangle rubbish cause heaven forbid people actually get together before the season finale – it’s lazy, bad writing which is plot driven instead of character driven – and by characters I mean the one’s who were populating the Arrow-verse at the end of season 2, you know, the one’s we got to know over two whole seasons – Felicity isn’t the only one whose been badly written this year, Diggle spent the first half of the season as some pod person. Sitting there and cheering cause ooh look Felicity isn’t hanging around for Oliver isn’t feminism – feminism would have been expecting her to behave like herself, not have her used to prop up a new spin-off, and not have it look like she is a gold digger- every time she has had some sort of vaguely non-platonic interaction with Palmer it has involved wealth – the dress, the necklace, the art, etc. Just no, stop it now Arrow writers. Stop reducing the females to stupid mary sue tropes (they did that with Laurel in both season 1 and 2, just different tropes almost like they couldn’t make up their minds cause the first season trope didn’t work, she was highly unpopular, but then the second season trope didn’t work either, this season they’ve kind of given up on her in some ways and just got on with her becoming BC which has actually helped her character a little) and using them to your own greedy ends and stop mistreating and ignoring the PTSD aspects of Oliver Queen, you are doing a disservice to all people who either have or whose loved ones are affected by mental health issues. And all you stupid tumblr Olicity fans – pull your heads out of your colons cause you are part of the problem – BIG time. You are as much to blame for the mary sueing of Felciity Smoak as TPTB as well as all the stupid, wasteful and really not needed olicity angst that has not only done a disservice to the Felicity character, but to the Oliver character and the show as a whole.
    Whew, I needed to get that off my chest. I will be surprised though if this gets through the monitoring.

    • Fiona says:

      I was totally with everything you said – until you decided to bash Olicity fans. The fans wanted the characters to get together. The writers decided way before the Olicity fans came along that they were putting Oliver & Felicity together due to the chemistry the actors had = way before they became “Olicity”. Now that the fans see it and want it – NOW the writers haven’t given us anything but angst! That is NOT what Olicity fans wanted – so you can’t blame the Olicity fans for the path the writers chose to go this year since there really isn’t ANY Olicity happening this season! Olicity fans are just as confused & pissed with too many S3 plot lines (instead of maintaining characters).

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