Game of Thrones Recap: The Devil You Know

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They open this week’s episode with a lingering shot of Joffrey’s cold, dead face – I may make it my screen saver – as we pick up where the last episode ended: Cersei shrieking, Tyrion being hauled to the dungeon and Sansa and Dontos fleeing the scene.

My joy over Joff’s death hasn’t abated in a week, but I’ll try to keep it in check as we review what happens in “Breaker of Chains.”

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HOUSE STARK: ANCHORS-AWEIGH EDITION | At the aborted wedding feast, Tywin bellows orders to close the city’s borders. Sansa and Dontos, though, make it down to the water, hop in a dinghy and row out to a boat moored in the harbor. Sansa has less than zero clues about what’s going on, but the fallen knight encourages her to climb aboard the larger ship. “You’ll be fine. You’re stronger than you know,” he says. Aww.

Sansa arrives on deck to find Petyr Baelish there, whispering that “The worst is past.” You know, Littlefinger,I really doubt that, especially when you sweet-talk Dontos right up until the moment your marksman puts an arrow through his face. Baelish informs a skittish Sansa that Dontos was working on his orders, and that the priceless heirloom necklace the fool gave her was a fake made just weeks before. Plus, there’s no way she can return to King’s Landing; her swift flight from the scene of Joff’s death makes her look mighty guilty. “You’re safe with me, sailing home,” Littlefinger coos. Lady Stark’s “Imma-hurl” face indicates she suspects otherwise.

HOUSE STARK: TAKE-WHAT-YOU-WANT EDITION | On their way to the Eyrie, Arya and the Hound take lodging with a sympathetic man and his very cute daughter; the former knight is his usual uncouth self, but his young charge tries to make excuses for her “father.” (Side note: I loved her “Really good!” remark as they noisily sucked down stew.) Though the Hound agrees to stay on and help the man defend his land, Arya wakes up the next morning to find that her travel companion has knocked the man on the head and stolen his silver. “Dead men don’t need silver,” the Hound gruffly tells her as they set out once more, explaining that the man and his kiddo can’t defend themselves and will be dead soon, anyway. That’s way harsh, Hound. Probably true, but way harsh.

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HOUSE TYRELL | Back in King’s Landing, Margaery and her grandmother discuss whether or not she’s actually a queen, given the fact that Joffrey didn’t have the chance to humiliate her sexually consummate their marriage. Olenna remarks that Margaery is more of a queen than she was with the dearly departed (and faaabulous!) Renly, which causes Marg to sigh that she’s cursed. “You may not have enjoyed watching him die, but you enjoyed it more than you would’ve enjoyed being married to him, I can promise you that,” the old woman says. Preach, grandma! Don’t fret, she adds. “The next one should be easier.”

HOUSE LANNISTER: GRIEFRODISIAC EDITION | Meanwhile, the boy king himself is laying in state in the sept, attended to by his younger brother Tommen and Cersei. Tywin enters and feels it’s the perfect time to start quizzing little Tommen – who is, after all, the new king – about what kind of ruler he should be. Cersei thinks it’s neither the time nor the place for such matters, but given what she does later in the scene, she’s got precious little ground to stand on. “Your brother was not a wise king. Your brother was not a good king,” Grandpa Lannister intones, leading the boy away as he instructs him on how to be a great leader. Crib Notes version: Do exactly the opposite of everything Joffrey did.

Jaime arrives and listens as a broken Cersei tearfully implores him to kill Tyrion, whom she thinks murdered Joff, and avenge their son. Jaime counters that there will be a trial, but she wants to hear none of that. “Please, Jaime. You have to,” she cries, falling to pieces as he holds her close and they kiss – then she abruptly pushes him away. “You’re a hateful woman,” he says angrily, all of his tender feelings for her evaporating like incense smoke.  “Why have the gods made me love a hateful woman?”

Now it’s time for a round of “What’s the most wrong with the following scene?” (I warn you, this is the advanced edition, because there’s a whole lotta not-kosher business that follows.) We’ll just skip over the fact that Jaime and Cersei are brother and sister, because clutching the pearls about that is so Season 1. So, does the scene’s ultimate hinkiness come when:

• He pins her up against the funeral bier and forcefully starts kissing her?
• The kinetic motion created by their passion gets so intense, it causes their son’s corpse to shake?
• She tells him to stop… but he doesn’t… and she doesn’t seem to want him to?
• She whispers “It’s not right” as he singlehandedly (get it?!) mounts her on the chapel floor, and he fires back, “I don’t care”?
• I somehow am not turned off by any of this?

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HOUSE LANNISTER: ROYALLY-SCREWED EDITION | Podrick visits Tyrion in jail and brings food, sundries and the bad news that the judges in his trial will be Tywin, Margaery’s father and Oberyn Martell. (The Dornish prince’s cooperation has been bought by Tywin’s agreement to help him avenge his sister.) Tyrion is surprised to hear Sansa’s gone, and he’s at a loss to pinpoint who offed his nephew; he only knows Cersei wasn’t involved, “which makes it unique, as King’s Landing murders go.” (Heh.) Tyrion asks Podrick to have Jaime visit, then forbids Pod to stop by again. The squire protests, and I get verklempt when Tyrion notes that the fact that someone has already asked him to lie at Tyrion’s trial means that he’s in danger. “This is farewell,” Tyrion says sadly. “There has never lived a more loyal squire.” Choked up, the boy leaves… perhaps to find solace with a few of those brothel residents who couldn’t get enough of him last season?

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THE MEN OF THE WALL | After the wildlings and Thenns massacre a village, some members of the Night’s Watch want to go after them. But Jon Snow states that the men in black must defend the wall. However, when rangers return with news that their rogue brother Karl is now in charge at Craster’s old place, Snow wants to mobilize ASAP. The mutinous Karl knows that there are far fewer men guarding the wall than Jon led Mance Rayder to believe, and if that news spreads, they’re in serious trouble.

Meanwhile, Sam fears for Gilly’s safety among the randy men of the Night’s Watch, so he installs her and the baby in the Dankest Little Whorehouse in Westeros – but as a cleaning lady/babysitter, nothing more. “You have to trust me, it’s for the best,” he says, truly hurt that she thinks he’s grown tired of her. “Best for you,” Gilly replies.

HOUSE TARGARYEN: SO-MUCH-PEEING EDITION | Daenerys and her army are greeted by Meereen’s champion as they arrive at the city. There’s a lot of trash-talking and urination before Daario steps up to fight him on the khaleesi’s behalf. When Daario kills the man, and then he pees, making it a literal pissing contest, the Mother of Dragons addresses the city’s large slave population, offering them the same kind of freedom she’s afforded those in her ranks. (Side note: How can any of the Meereneese hear her?) Her catapaults launch projectiles over the city walls; when the bundles break, they rain empty collars down upon the slaves, who seem mighty intrigued.

HOUSE BARATHEON | News of Joffrey’s death reaches Stannis, who laments that he has no army to strike now that an opportunity to claim the throne has presented itself once more. Ser Davos is perplexed about how to remedy the situation… until he arrives for his reading lesson with the princess. Within minutes, she’s inadvertently helped him realize that the Iron Bank of Braavos might be their best bet, and he has her pen a letter for him. (Side note: I adore these two together, don’t you?)

Now it’s your turn. What did you think of the episode? Sound off in the comments!

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  1. Molly says:

    The first sign that Jaime is moving past Cersei…

    • wildling says:

      And Margaery thought she was cursed, Brienne actually had feelings for Renly…and Jaime. Can they just find a single guy with no history already?

    • will says:

      I’m not sure “forcibly having sex out of sheer desire next to the body of your murdered son while saying how you don’t care that it’s wrong and asking why the gods have forced you to love this woman” qualifies as “moving past” but if you’ve read the books then maybe you have insight the rest of us don’t about this moment. =P

      • Guess says:

        I know its hard for a PG-13 audience to understand mature fantasy, but here it goes: Cersei uses sex with Jaime so he would kill people for her. Now, this time around, the one she asked him to kill was their brother, so when she uses the bait-and-switch routine Jaime actually has sex with her, before saying whether or not he will murder Tyrion.
        Once again, as hard as it is for a PG-13 audience to undertand, the adults watching this show process it as the first sign Jaime is moving past Cersei because engaging in incest in front of their son is as wrong as fratricide in the eyes of Jaime, which communicates the idea that Jaime finally gets it regardless whether or not Cersei is “turned on” by it (to use a PG-13 term).

        • M3rc Nate says:

          Completely agree. His becoming the dominant one, forcing her to do something (she hates being forced into anything) and not caring what she wants, and knowing its wrong by his sons dead body….its hate sex, a way to say im done with you i suspect. He has always loved her and been soft with her and been the submissive one, the script has flipped, hes disgusted by her (her being so selfish to say he was too late coming back after being held hostage, and her asking him to kill their brother) and i think his relationship with Brieanne showed him what a non-dysfunctional relationship is where theirs mutual respect.

          • Wildling says:

            Speaking of Brienne: Where is she and why isn’t some Lannister alredy blaming her for it? Joffrey is killed and no one bothers to check on Catelyn’s sworn shield? No one?? Even after the Red Wedding???

        • CourtD says:

          While I understand that idea, it’s going significantly away from the Jamie in the books, which is something they manage to avoid generally. It was consensual in the book, and gives an entirely different dynamic, because Cersei takes comfort in Jamie while grieving, while this is her being stripped of everything at the same time he is. It may be a choice to recreate him as the villain now that Joffrey is gone, because people will definitely hate him for this. But I dislike that this will alter things far more than nearly anything that they have changed in the adaptation. As well, Cersei truly loves her brother, and when they were together, had sex for love, though manipulation occurred as well. However, it was not the primary motive, and so I’d have to disagree.

          • Brenda says:

            Um whaaat CourtD? Are you serious? Lol, Jaime is NOWHERE near a villain. Cersei is the queen b!tch on the show and the fact that she wants to kill her brother for a crime he likely didn’t commit is just the tip of the iceberg. She is an atrocious human being, just like her son was I think we all can agree on that.

        • Vince says:

          Are you bloody serious? I’m sorry, but no matter how many times you toss in the phrase “it’s hard for a PG-13 audience to understand”, RAPE will never be acceptable, no matter how “mature” you are. I agree that fantasy and reality are different pairs of shoes, but this show isn’t supposed to be cheap porn for so called “mature” audiences to wank over. It’s supposed to be an adaption of A Song of Ice and Fire, thus bringing the character development and story progression of the books to the screen.
          What they did with this scene wasn’t to show that Jaime is “moving past” Cersei in any sane, healthy sense of the term, it was them screwing his character over and unmaking whatever development he had gone through up until this point.

  2. R says:

    I would describe the scene between Jamie and Cersei as rape. In light of that, it would behoove your commentator to not make light of it or publicly announce that he/she was turned on by it.

    • NR says:

      Preach. Also, please do NOT mention the “but she seems to want it even though she was SAYING no” nonsense – that’s like men who say women want it because they’re wearing short skirts. Or they’re drinking alcohol. Or they’re walking down the street alone.

    • Guess says:

      If anything it looks like it always does: Cersei offering sex in exchange for murder. Problem is: the one he had to murder this time around was his brother, so Jaime finally made the point that what Cersei is asking of him is as wrong as what he’s doing with her the only way that they know how.

    • M3rc Nate says:

      Because the gutting, beheading, etc is all fine lets joke about it and discuss it…but two people in a relationship have sex where it appears to be rape, and lets get REAL serious and treat this like it was a real crime….

      If the definition of rape is sex that the receiving party doesnt want, then yes id call it rape. However i would say it seemed her issue with the sex wasnt the sex, it was the location…she wasnt scratching his face fighting him off not wanting him to have sex with her, she was saying its wrong and not here because their, more importantly to her, HER dead son is right there.

    • Alison says:

      Absolutely. It was rape. Anybody who says otherwise needs help.

      • Anon says:

        UGH. I just read on Kimberly Roots’ Twitter that Jaime and Cersei tonight was not an example of a woman being forced to do what she didn’t want to do.


        • M3rc Nate says:

          Because she was saying no because shes the dominant one in control that uses sex to get what she wants, and because of the proximity to her son, thats what she was saying no to, not the sex. (Disagree? Then your disagreeing with the director too).

          Where was this outrage when danny was being rapped by drogo and crying as being raped?

    • Sieves says:

      disagree. it looked&felt like she kind of wanted it to me. but even if she didn’t, she has that coming and then some.

      • CountryQueen says:

        Wow. Just wow. You are a very ignorant person. Please ask the women in your life why what you stated here is soooo very wrong. Better yet, seek out a domestic violence shelter, and ask them. No means NO! and Cersei said no more than once, doesn’t matter why, she said NO!

        • M3rc Nate says:

          As the DIRECTOR (whos opinion carries much more weight to me than yours does) has said, she was saying no to the location (in the holy place next to her dead son) and to his aggressiveness (she is usually the aggressor who uses sex to make him do what she wants), she was NOT saying no to the actual sex. Its complex, given your response to Sieves comment i wouldnt imagine you would understand.

          Where was your outrage when Danny was being rapped by Drogo? Or when characters were getting flayed? Or heads chopped off? or gutted? or incest?

    • Lovely says:

      People can get turned on by whatever they want. Eventhough I personally found the scene gross (but for other reasons… incest, dead son corpse, etc) I am sure there are many people who got turned on by it so who are you to judge?

  3. WTactualF says:

    So just to be clear here, Kimberly is saying that Cersei didn’t want Jaime to stop? Because I’m pretty sure she said no… Multiple times.

    • Louie says:

      So funny how people are treating this, not like the fantasy fiction show that it is, but like it’s some Court TV drama on the 10 o’clock news of a crime that happened to someone they know. Seems like people are getting all up in a tizzy just to make some noise on something to get attention. The same people who are going into essay writing mode about how the author of this article interpreted that scene are guilty of the same thing by wrongly interpreting the author’s comments. Please! Get off your soapboxes and stop watching the show already if it bothers you so much

  4. Isabella says:

    Why does this show insist on turning CONSENSUAL sex scenes from the book into rape? Just for the shock value?

    • Cookie says:

      This exactly! There is SO MUCH rape in the books, what is the point of turning consensual sex scenes into rape scenes?

    • Anon says:

      YES EXACTLY!! WTF point was there when there is already plenty of rape in the books if you wanna show that?

    • Russ says:

      Erm, this is the exact quote from the book: “She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart.”

      How the hell is that not rape?

      • Isabella says:


        She touched his face. “I was lost without you, Jaime. I was afraid the Starks would send me your head. I could not have borne that.” She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”
        There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…”

        “The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother’s altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart.
        One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon’s blood was on her, but it made no difference.

        “Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.

  5. Amanda says:

    “Rape is so great!” is what I got from this review. Even more put off from this episode. That scene was NOT okay.

    • Hodan says:

      That is what I got from this review as well.

    • Cookie says:

      Yep, also baffled by the reviewer’s comments. It was rape and NOT HOT.

    • Kevan says:

      Some women are into the whole “fine line” thing; the whole “it was a no but not REALLY a no….” I find it ridiculous and disgusting but what’re you gonna do? But to Kimberly Poots’ defense, she said she wasn’t turned OFF by it. Not that it turned her on.

    • M3rc Nate says:

      Because the murder and eating of people and beheadings and guttings and incest thats all fun and great and “its just fantasy tv!” …but a rape scene? ok guys..lets get serious now, we need to fill out a police report like the rape really happened….come on grow up…this show shows the true dark stuff, dont be all de-sensitized to the violence and murder and gore and call that “entertainment” but when rape happens (which it does in the world…all the time everywhere) all of a sudden what..the show shouldnt have a rape scene in it? should any movie or show? If you cant handle it, turn off your TV and dont watch.

    • Sherry says:

      Amanda you said “This scene was NOT Okay.” I’m curious, did you think the scene of Ros being forced to beat the other prostitute ok? Did you think the scene that showed Ros’ dead body full of arrows ok? Did you think the graphic scene at the red wedding ok? None of these things were “Okay.” I could go on. That rape scene between two very flawed lovers was tame in comparison and does not warrant the over-reacting response it is getting. I can’t stand the PC culture we live in today where the masses let the politicians, celebrities and media dictate their worldview to the point people feel that in order to be liked or feel valid they have to effect a zero-tolerance attitude about whatever pet issues are trendy.

  6. Hodan says:

    “I somehow am not turned off by any of this?”


    That was a rape scene!!! Jamie raped his sister! I didn’t see anything sexy about it. Or, anything to be turned on by it either. Yikes!

    • KC says:

      I took Ms. Root as saying that she should have been turned off but wasn’t (maybe disgusted would have been a better word, but then we wouldn’t be having all this wonderful outrage). I believe the comment shows the lack of sympathy she has for Cersei. She did not say it was sexy or a turn on.

  7. K says:

    “I somehow am not turned off by any of this?”
    You weren’t turned off… by a rape scene?
    Okay then…

  8. S says:

    I’m not really sure why they changed the Jamie/Cersei scene in the books from rough, consensual sex to downright rape on the show. It literally makes no sense especially since Jamie saved Brienne from rape last season. So why would he rape his own sister; the woman he claims to love beyond reason?! Fail show.

  9. KND says:

    “I somehow am not turned off by any of this?”

    Wow that is truly troublesome, you may want to see a therapist.

  10. gracelessk says:

    Maybe Kimberley read the books and interpreted it as consensual? (Only way this is *maybe* ok?)

    • Guess says:

      Once again, as difficult as it is for a PG-13 audience to understand: Cersei uses sex to get Jaime to murder people, only this time around she was asking him to murder their brother. Therefore, before she’s done with it, Jaime actually has sex with her.
      He does so in front of their son to communicate that, asking him to murder Tyrion isn’t right, just like like having sex in front of their son isn’t. Cersei uses “this isn’t right” only because, per her rules, Jaime must kill before she has sex with him. Which has not happened yet.

      • Jess says:

        Thank you for explaining to us (several times in this thread) how it was totally OK for Jamie to rape Cersei. And what she “really meant” when she said “this isn’t right.” Whew! I was so confused by it all (y’know, as I only watch PG-13 shows) but you’ve shown me the light!

        I also like that you called rape “having sex with.” You must be a fun date.

        • Wildling says:

          In my experience, only those that aren’t allowed to watch the show would get stuck on the rape debate rather than Gremm showing up alive, The Hound lessons come winter or Prince Oberyn actual orgy that no one who watches the show woul’ve missed.

          • Anon says:

            In my experience, people who attack the individual instead of addressing the issue don’t have any point to make.

          • Wildling says:

            Daario pissing on Mereen, Shireen reading lessons, Pod Sneaking canddless I got more since I actually watched the episode

          • Jess says:

            Wait. So I didn’t watch the show now? (I’m 41, for the record… WELL over 13. And my husband totally “allows” me to watch GOT even though he doesn’t).

            I was upset/disturbed by the Hound’s actions (I’m glad he didn’t kill them, though). I had absolutely NO problem with the Prince Oberyn orgy, and actually found what he said about it all to be pretty interesting. I like Prince Oberyn! I have no idea who “Gremm” is.

            I was upset by the Jamie rape because a) he was on a path to redemption, and I wanted to like him, b) he doesn’t rape her in the books, so now they’ve totally changed his character, and c) that there are actually people on this thread that don’t think that was rape.

        • Anon says:

          Agreed Jess

      • Marc says:

        So he raped her to show her that asking him to murder is brother was wrong and he now finds her morally repugnant? @Guess, Jaime raped her, there is no other way to describe it, it may not have been the brutal, physically violent rape where the victim is left bloodied and bruised, but he did rape her. For whatever reason it was, retaliation, sign of his liberation, I think the PG-13 audience can see that it was RAPE. The reasons for him doing it are debatable, but what he did, is not because he RAPED her.

  11. LaPiquante says:

    I also saw Jaime & Cersei as consensual, and just another turn-on in their ultimately effed-up-in-every-conceivable-way relationship.
    I adore all the father-daughter-type relationships on this show! Most of them are adorable, but the Lannisters–well, they’re just fascinating.

    • S says:

      So what does the word “no” mean to you then? *confused*

      • LaPiquante says:

        It’s about the context. For them, I feel that it’s more of a dom-sub thing. They’re more of a “safeword” sort of couple. Because their “no” is shifty.

        • WTactualF says:

          Except they don’t have one and Cersei said no. #rapeculture

          • LaPiquante says:

            Okay, seriously? Tagging this #rapeculture and taking it out of context does no one any favors. These are fraternal twins who have three children together, having sex next to their psychopathic son’s body in a religious temple. Calling the fact that she said no and he said he didn’t care the ONLY bad thing about this scene between fictitious people? That’s absurd. I maintain that they have a dom-sub relationship, and they have a shifty definition of “no,” because they’ve been telling themselves “No, this is wrong,” for YEARS and it didn’t stop either of them before.

          • Kara says:

            @LaPiquante In the book Cersei is a very willing and consenting half of “banging over our dead son.” In this scene in the show… Cersei clearly says NO. She clearly struggles against her brother. In this case it doesn’t matter their previous arrangement. Cersei Lannister said No. Her Body Language was a whole bunch of DO NOT WANT. Jaimie, of the books, who adored and loved his sister (in a not so siblingly way) would have stopped the minute she said No. You can’t even use “context of the scene” when everything about it that is SHOWN is the exact opposite of the consensual sex in the book. This was Rape. This is more damaging towards Jaimie’s and all the work he has done over the past few seasons. Jaimie who wouldn’t stand for raping of a woman he just met (Brienne). Jaimie who (book spoilers.. i guess) listened at the door of Aerys Targaryen as he beat and raped his wife, the queen. Jaimie loved Cersei. This is not how he would have treated her. Guh.

          • Anon says:

            Sad how people denying rape culture are so often proof of it.

            This has nothing to do with D/s, and calling it so is disrespectful to people who do participate.

          • WTActualF says:

            Okay, seriously? Calling it a Dom/sub relationship with no actual evidence that it is so because you are using that as an excuse to justify rape does no one any good.

            Making excuses and justifications for rape = rapeculture

      • will says:

        Credit to Lena Headey, I saw Cersei’s desire pushing through her refusal. Does it make it okay or any less rape? No. He should have stopped. But this is a medieval fiction and a scene that’s already gross, and I saw the actress really push her internal desires through the text that has her saying no and telling him to stop, in the sense that she feels the time and place was completely wrong but she did want the carnal fulfillment. Like I said, still rape, but I saw where the sense of her “kinda wanting it” can come from, because I saw the actress playing a character who did actually kind of want it, just not then and certainly not there.

        And to reiterate: Still rape. I’m not denying that.

  12. azu says:

    It was consensual in the books. Haven’t watched this but remember that their relationship has always been strange. It might really not be rape in their books

    • Shell says:

      This particular couple have been disturbing from the beginning. With the incest, children from that incest, nearly murdering a boy because he happened to see them together consensually, etc. I suppose this scene on the show could be interpreted as rape. In the context of GOT, it’s just another disturbing act, of which there have been many.

  13. Lia says:

    I know Nicolaj is hot beyond reason and stuff, but that scene was not okay at all. May have to review your review asap.

  14. mike L says:

    By our legal standards, I see it as rape. The reviewer did a great job, but that comment about being turned on was in poor taste. Personally I did not enjoy it, and I do not recall that scene from the books. I might not remember. But the series is fantasy, different world, different laws, different social standards, and full of murder, mayhem, torture, and even rape. Some people enjoy the bloody killing scenes, but that does not mean they support murder. Dont ruin the comment section with political correctness.

  15. George Kon says:

    LOL to the people Saying THAt its not ok to think that was not hot …… yet Brother and sisster Have kids … BUT I guess thats ok …. lol

    • NR says:

      Rape is a crime. Incest, while disgusting, is not as long as it’s consensual. Anyway, most people on this thread aren’t complaining about the rape scene – they’re upset because Kimberly implied that it’s not rape and could actually be viewed as sexy.

      • Lovely says:

        Incest is a crime. If a brother and sister have kids they can be arrested and lose custody of their children. So to not be upset about the incest, the dead son, and to just be upset at the “rape” is odd to say the least.

  16. jon says:

    I thought she was saying no to the place of the sex not to the sex itself.

  17. Elena says:

    It is unfortunate that such a great episode is now overshadowed by a wrong decision from the writers and directors to interpret Jaime and Cersei’s love scene from the books in such a negative way. If their intention was to make the scene appear consensual (as I read from an interview with the director) they did a poor job of it. In the books, she says “no” first but it becomes clear quickly that she wants it as much as he does. They did not get this context across in the scene from the show which really upsets me. This is the same Jaime who saved Brienne from rape at great personal expense to himself and later in the books instructs his squire to treat a poorly abused serving girl with the consideration she deserves during sex. It upsets me that this is not the Jaime I saw tonight on the show. As a book reader, I can forgive him. I don’t know if those who have never read the books will.

    • waterbug says:

      I Totally DON’T agree. It’s not that serious. It’s fiction.

      • Elena says:

        My comment has nothing to do with the fact that I equate fiction with reality. It has to do with a bad choice for character development. I don’t think Jaime is a rapist, and I disagree with the show’s choice to portray him as one. That is all.

  18. ejdax37 says:

    Seriously this whole comments thread has turned in to a discussion on the rightness or wrongness of rape in a sex scene between a brother and sister, next to the corpse of their son, in a church!?!
    Cersei’s was clearly saying no to the venue and to the fact that she still is mad at Jaime for “leaving” her. One thing to remember that Cersei has always used sex to get what she wants from Jaime (she has was never faithful, I mean she had to do it with Robert but the others no), where as Jaime has only ever been with one women in his whole life. Cersei even says “No, not here!” when Jaime grabbed her and later when she is saying it’s not right she means the fact that their died son is a foot away! She defiantly didn’t all of a sudden decide that screwing her brother was a bad idea.

    • Thea says:

      I too understood that Cersei meant her protests to the time and place of the situation, however NO STILL MEANS NO EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANY SORT OF RELATIONSHIP. Sexual or otherwise. Nonconsensual sex = Rape, even if it was just that one time.

      • ejdax37 says:

        Yes I understand that but has everyone forgotten the show they are watching? No one was all up in arms over the poor peasant girl in the first episode this season who was about to be gang raped in the inn that The Hound and Arya were in. Roz was forced to rape her fellow prostitute by Joffrey, with a f-ing bed post! Heck I would say that over 50% of all the sex scenes in this show have been nonconsensual, more depending on how you view the prostitutes and if your only choice is to starve to death or have sex with strangers is it really a choice?
        The author of this artificial was playing for laughs and she even said that it made her unconformable to find these 2 people and the situation attractive, on many different levels. This is why rape is such a difficult topic for anyone.

    • Sieves says:

      thank you. she was saying no to the place and was still mad cuz she wasn’t quite getting her way. but as for the actual sex, she wanted it.

  19. rachelle says:

    Wow, nazis, calm down. Rape is not okay, for sure. BUT Kim said that Cersei didn’t SEEM to want Jaime to stop. With a question mark! How is that definitely saying that Cersei wanted it? Jesus.

  20. Kevin H. says:

    Regarding the effed up scene with Cersei and Jaime nearly screwing on top of their dead son, she said no multiple times. That constitutes rape in my book and it definitely should in Kimberly’s review. Why wasn’t the part about being turned on by a rape scene edited out? Come on TVLine, you can do better.

  21. TinLV says:

    She said “No, not here”.. and that is wasn’t ‘right’.. to which Jaime said he didn’t care and they merrily continued to have sex.. I did not see it as rape at all.. was it in poor taste ? , yes….but these two have done much worse….

    • White Walker says:

      It was supposed to be in poor taste, Cersei would’ve merrily had sex with Jaime should he have said “Yes” to murder their brother.
      This wasn’t ‘right’ because, per her rules, Jaime must do her bidding if he is to have sex with her. Therefore, Jaime goes ahead with it so that Cersei finally gets that, what she’s asking of him wasn’t right any more than having sex in front of their son was.

    • Jess says:

      Yeah. You’re right. Saying “No” and “This isn’t right” MULTIPLE times totally isn’t rape. Like, not at all, really. She probably actually meant yes.

      I mean, it’s not like forcing yourself on a woman who is saying no is the very definition of rape.

      Some of you people on this thread are terrifying the sh*t out of me.

      • Joey says:

        I think the fact that you don’t even understand how the scene unfolded speaks more volumes about you than anything else.

        • Anon says:

          You do know that even the Director and writers have referred to the rape in tonight’s episode AS rape?

          Probably because it was rape.

        • Jess says:

          Errr… the scene unfolded in a rape. This upset me because Jamie was on a path of redemption, and now they’ve completely deviated from the books (which, yes, I did read).

          If you don’t think it was rape, it speaks WAY more volumes about you than about me.

          For the record? When a woman says “Not here” “Stop it” and “This is wrong,” the appropriate course of action is to stop having sex with her. If you say “I don’t care” and continue to have sex with her, that’s rape.

          • Joey says:

            Evidently you didn’t quite understand what you were reading in the books, because she very clearly says no in the books as well, so it’s not ruining anything. In addition, just because you have decided in your head what Jaime’s character arc is meant to be, it doesn’t mean that is the arc that the showrunners or GRRM had in mind for the character. You didn’t like the scene, understandable, but to say that it ruins his arc is just wrong.

      • Anon says:

        It’s really scary the outright refusal to acknowledge the rape.

      • Hannah says:

        If you’re scared of people who have read the books and have a better comprehension of the characters dynamics, than you’re probably scared by a lot of things. Nobody here is saying that rape is ok, or that no means yes, or that if you don’t year much clothes you’re asking for it. I’m sure those people exist, but they haven’t posted here so far.
        I don’t know if this scene has to be interpreted either way. The writers probably did it on purpose to keep people talking about the show and obviously it worked.

        • Anon says:

          What are you talking about? Even the director said he a was directing “forced sex”.

          And it is scary when people go to crazy rationalizations to deny rape even when it’s right there to see.

        • Jess says:

          Actually, people (on this thread) are saying “She ‘seemed’ like she wanted to have sex” and “even though she was saying no, she totally wanted to have sex.” And some have implied that because Cersei is a b*tch, she pretty much deserved to be raped.

          And, what are you talking about “people who have read the books and have a better comprehension of the characters (grammar!) dynamics?”

          I read the books. He doesn’t rape her in the books. They have consensual sex. So, maybe you didn’t read them? Not that it matters, actually, because this is the show and the books aren’t “required reading” to watch it. Still… what you wrote made no sense.

  22. Apples says:

    It was rape, and undid all of Jaime’s development so far for me. Horrific scene.
    Thought Tywin was great in this ep (as Tyrion said, his father never misses an opportunity). The scene with Oberyn showed how many chess moves he is ahead of everyone else. The Dany storyline is really anvilicious and awkward (I don’t see any chemistry with nu!Daario).
    Sam/Gilly was the worst part of this ep. I want all the Wall scenes to focus on Jon Snow please. Poor Sansa just escaped one monster (Joffrey) for another (Baelish).

  23. You aren’t supposed to forgive Jamie, only let your guard down long enough understand how a monster is made from a well meaning person before the cold reality that he is not redeemable is shoved back in your face. He had committed death sentence worthy atrocities long before Cercei, he just added rape, the worst of them all to his long list of crimes to drive the point home. We can prevent monsters but not undo them after the fact. The story isn’t about the redeemtion of a twisted soul, its that some are twisted to every redeem no mater how hard that is to stomach. That’s the point behind his character development. A boy crippling, family murdering, killer becoming a hero is a fantasy, and not the kind that Game of Thrones aims to be.

    • Sherry says:

      Someone above mentioned that Jamie committed crimes he could have been sentenced to death for, and then said the worst of them was the rape. Really? Rape is worse than murder and attempted murder??? Game of thrones is graphic and violent. There is torture, beheadings, cannibals, babies even get murdered, not to mention all the nudity. It’s gritty. So it’s weird that everybody is freaking out over a scene where a brother whose been having weird sex with his sister for ages gets too frisky and takes from her physically some of what she’s given him emotionally? It did look like she was resisting, but because of the place they were (recently murdered son laying there) at and the fact that she was made aware that Jaimie has come to a knowledge that she’s been using him so she no longer had the upper hand but I did not see anything that was over the top whatsoever. It is what one would might expect in this harsh fictional land. No need to berate the commentator. She didn’t come out and say it turned her on. Just that it wasn’t so assaulting or violent that it would turn her off. And who can feel sorry for Cersei? Oh well I just had to comment because some comments seem to come from a place of self-righteousness or political correctness.

      Btw I’m a female. And the victim of rape. Glad to be alive though.

  24. Wildling says:

    The worst part was Ygritte killing that father and Tormund about to kill the kid before the Thenn were done murdering the mother. And I get The Hound is right and weak like them wont survive come winter. But I know Ygritte and I expected better from her.

  25. amd says:

    So this, is what actually happened:

    Jaime manhandles her throughout, physically forcing Cersei throughout the scene.

    Cersei says “Jaime not here please. Please.” She says “Stop it” three times and “stop” another twice plus some possible stops that are not quite spoken. Cersei says “it’s not right” three times. He rips her dress, pins her to the floor and ends the rape scene on top of her, having dragged her to the floor and holding her down. The scene ends as he continues to rape her, with her pinned underneath him nearly weeping and saying “Don’t” under her breath.

    I think the author of this pro rape article needs help.

    • amd says:

      And of course, it was not a rape scene in the book. Turning Jaime into a flat out rapist was a choice. And a bizarre one. The one thing we always knew about him was that he loved his sister and hated rape. He was prepared to kill for Cersei and was prepared to put himself in danger to save Brie from rape. And now that character no longer exists, since anybody who can rape a traumatised and grief stricken women next to her son’s corpse very clearly does not love them.

      The director’s little rape scene fetish has pretty much killed this character. As well as being a disturbing and abnormal choice to add yet another rape scene where none existed, it was idiotic so far as the character was concerned.

      • Russ says:

        “She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart.” That’s the exact quote from the book. How is that not rape?

  26. Scott says:

    You are all over-thinking the Jamie / Cersei scene. I’ve watched it several times and the entire emphasis is on Cersei rejecting the location- not rejecting Jamie or his advances or the act.

    Cersei only says three things …”Not here, please”…followed by “Stop it” (repeated 3 times) and then “Its not right” (also repeated 3 times). She doesn’t say “no” although I suppose the “stop it ” could be interpreted as that under some circumstances. But we already know from her first statement that she’s okay with it ..just wants it to be somewhere else.

    Yes the scene is distasteful but its not rape.

    • WTActualF says:

      I don’t necessarily agree with that, but let’s just say that’s true. Does it make it any less rape-y? It doesn’t, because she said no. The reason she said no is inconsequential because she said no to having sex and he forced er to have sex with him. That’s rape.

      • CountryQueen says:

        It’s astounding to me how many people need this explained to them – over and over – though most are obviously not reading, just commenting.

    • CountryQueen says:

      “She doesn’t say “no” although I suppose the “stop it ” could be interpreted as that under some circumstances.” Under EVERY circumstance! smh

  27. Lotte says:

    The amount of people defending “explaining” rape, sincerely scares me.

    Cersei is not a good character. But rape never is okay. A “no” is a “no”. Especially when said multiple times. How hard is that to understand? No wonder we have such blooming rape- and victim blaming culture.

    • Sherry says:

      In real life rape never is okay but we are talking about a fictional TV program people! And while watching that scene I was never once feeling sorry for Cersei or thinking about “real life” rape. Why did that one scene take some of you out of the story and into thinking about that event happening in real life and how wrong it is? There are all kinds of “wrong” people do in this series. The quasi-rape of Cersei Lannister is so very tame in comparison.

      • Lotte says:

        Fictional characters define and influence real people. The amount of rape we see on television to further a plot without any real portrayal of the emotional and physical hurt, is staggering. Once again, the audience saw a scene where it was perfectly fine to defy the wishes of a woman to get what the man wants. I also suspect there will not real fallout as the rape scene did not even happen in the book. Basically, a rape scene was used just to shock the audience. That is cheap and that is wrong. So this scene may very much be fictional, but the audience is very much real. So yes, GoT deserves to be called out and questioned. Also the victim blaming and dismissal of the rape from parts of the audience is sad, shocking and alarming. It just proves *why* rape culture is still so very much in effect nowadays. And that really scares me personally.

        • George Kon says:

          People need to get off there high horse …. this show is about people acting evil …. and she told her brother “no not here” its not right” not no don’t have sex with me … and Since when can people call it rapecultre when Its 2 siblings having sex (and having 3 kids to)… and when people start preaching to me Incest is not wrong yet rape is … IM going to start calling you Trolls and nothing more

          • Lotte says:

            Rape can happen in relationships. Rape can happen to people who have children together. Rape can happen in incest relationships. One evil does not excuse another evil. How hard is that to understand?

        • Anon says:

          Eloquent Lotte.

          The denial here just goes to show why people turned a blind eye to accused rapists Matthew Barnett and Jameis Winston. People just don’t want to acknowledge it when it comes to character/people they idolize.

          • George Kon says:

            LOL LOL LOL this show has Cannibals ….. Kids dieing …. Sister and brother Having sex … Yet People turning a blind eye to this .. is wrong lol FAIL Go away trolls

          • Anon says:

            Nobody is turning a blind eye to ” Cannibals ….. Kids dieing …. Sister and brother Having sex”. That much is evident in that you are capable of recognizing those things are happenings. What is scary is that you don’t seem capable of recognizing rape when it’s right in front of you.

        • Nicole says:

          Fictional characters define and influence real people you say.
          So using that logic from watching GOT there are people engaged in sexual relationships with their siblings, people beheading people, and people practicing cannibalism now IRL just from watching. Sure. Yesterday I gave birth to a shadow assassin.

          • George Kon says:

            Great Post !!!!!!

          • Lotte says:

            No, because the reaction of the audience about the incest, cannibalism, torture, murder, etc. is clearly negative and perceived as wrong. The victim blaming and denial of the rape scene is however very much happening, including with your comment. Moreover, the director defended the scene and did not even see how wrong the scene was shot. Also about the shadow assassin, it is clearly based on fiction. Rape happens every single day and many victims do not come forward because there experience is neglected, dismissed and ridiculed. And comments like yours? They are very much part of the reason rape is a crime that is clearly dismissed.

      • waterbug says:


        • waterbug says:

          Edit: I agree Sherry!

        • George Kon says:

          LOtte …. I see this just as wrong as the red wedding but hell there was not Crazy zelots talking about the show killing a preg lady ,,,, yet this has a lot to do with real LIFE GMAB …EPIC FAIL

          • Lotte says:

            Because the show clearly has shown her death as brutal murder, while the sex scene between Cersei and Jamie was consensual but was for whatever reason turned into rape. It once again objectified a woman and reduced rape as crime. How hard is that to grasp?!

          • George Kon says:

            Cersei and Jamie was consensual but was for whatever reason turned into rape. It once again objectified a woman and reduced rape as crime. How hard is that to grasp?!

            so C and J having consensual sex is ok ….. yet itt tured into “objectified a woman and reduced rape as crime” ….. LOL LOL brother and sisster having sex is a crime ….. But i see only since he was Raping her its wrong ……

            I get it IT looked like rape ….. But there both F up people greaving there kids death by scrweing next to him lol ….

    • Huntyr says:

      Neither is murder OK. Nor incest. Nor abusing power, kidnapping, theft…

      Did I leave some out? This show is not about showing what is “OK” or right. It happened, it was wrong, they will both have to live with it. I’m not “defending rape” anymore than I’m defending the murder of Joffrey. IT’S A STORY. People are saying how happy they are that Joffrey is dead – how come no one jumped on them about being murder apologists?
      Jamie asserted himself, maybe for the first time, with Cersei. Yes, it was brutal and violent – what on this show isn’t?

  28. canadian ninja says:

    I just rewatched Gone with the Wind this weekend.

    Big hit back in the day…anyone?

  29. JJaye says:

    Oh Lordy, Kimberly Roots! I don’t envy you right now.

    Thank goodness all the preachers showed up to clarify for the rest of us what the difference is between rape and sex. Cuz, ya know, we can’t form our own opinions. It’s a TV series based on a fantasy book series!

    If you’re all so concerned, don’t watch it and write a letter to HBO or George R.R. Martin to express your outrage, this isn’t the place. And when you’re done, head down to the local women’s shelter to help with real women that have been raped.

    • George Kon says:

      what I find funny is more people want to talk aout the “rape” yet just skip over the part where there brother and sisster Having sex …. and have 3 kids ….. Liek thats not a big deal BUT the Rapeher is uncalled for … amd the Funny part is they where scrwing in a chruch next to there dead son ,, and that sok to … yet she sayed no and THAT Wrong ….. Epic fail people

      • Georgeofthejungle says:

        The only epic fail is your spelling.

        • George Kon says:

          Ok you got me there here you go ….

          what I find funny is more people want to talk about the “rape” yet just skip over the part where there brother and sister Having sex …. and have 3 kids ….. Like that’s not a big deal.

          BUT the Rape is uncalled for … and the Funny part is they where screwing in a church next to there dead son ,, and thats ok to … yet she was saying no and THAT Wrong ….. Epic fail people…. People are trolls and George one to …

          • Lovely says:

            I agree George. I’m not understanding what all the outrage is about… seriously. There are so many disturbing aspects to the Jamie/Cersei relationship… Why are people getting their panties all in a twist over this part? I don’t understand.

    • H says:

      We’re not concerned that they used rape on this show, because let’s face it this show has some really nasty people and really evil actions. We’re concerned with all the people saying it’s NOT rape. It was obviously rape and it’s concerning that people can’t recognize and don’t understand why it’s rape. This is why people are scared to come forward when they’re raped for people exactly on this thread saying “she said stop, but I think she wanted it anyway.” See?

      • JJaye says:

        Go away, H and take all these other preachers with you. Like I said, if your so concerned, get off your sorry butt and head to a shelter. Typing on a TVLine recap thread is not going to change anybody’s mind about anything and you know it, you’re just too lazy to get out in the real world and make a difference.

        • WTActualF says:

          That’s rude. It’s a valid point. It is clear that that scene is a rape scene, yet so many people are justifying it and defining it as something else. To call someone a “preacher” is immature.

          • Anon says:

            The name calling is an attempt to discredit the acknowledgement of sexual violence in a character and show they idolize.

            Sad logic. “If we don’t acknowledge it as rape, it never was.”

      • Lovely says:

        You’re a drama queen. If someone isn’t smart enough to realize that a tv show with dragons isn’t real then they aren’t intelligent enough to watch the show. What part of fantasy do you not understand?

  30. DT says:

    Due to the fact that she objected to the act, even if it was the location, it was still rape.

    With that said, most of you still need to stop attacking Kimberly for her column. How about instead of getting outraged after skimming her column (which its obvious you did), and instead actually read it carefully for what she is actually saying before you go and attack her:

    Quote #1 in describing this scene “She tells him to stop… but he doesn’t… and she doesn’t seem to want him to?” Emphasis on SEEM. Even though I, like many of you, saw the scene as rape, she still kissed him back with tongue and held his face as one would who was a willing participant in the act. Kimberly is pointing out the ambiguity of the scene, which there definitely is some, which is why half of this thread is saying it was rape and the other half is saying it wasn’t.

    Next, Quote #2 “I somehow am not turned off by any of this?” There is a BIG difference between not being turned off by something and being turned on by something. For any of you to accuse otherwise, shame on you.

    End rant.

    • Anon says:

      So if a woman kisses her attacker, and then says no and tries to fight him off as he sexual attacks, there is ambiguity in the rape act?

      That logic is frightening.

      • DT says:

        Do you even read these posts or see key words then jump to conclusions? Again, let me be clear, I agree that the scene was rape. The ambiguity was not in the act but with the scene itself. Kimberly was simply describing the scene, that there were visible signs that would make it SEEM that Cersei did not in actuality want him to stop. Kimberly didn’t go as far to call the scene rape (which maybe she should have), but she didn’t say it wasn’t either. I am of the opinion that this scene was clearcut rape, but I’m not going to go and attack the person that wrote this article, because unlike you and most of the people blowling this thread up, I actually read the words Kimberly wrote and I’m not freaking out turning her words into something she didn’t say.

        • Anon says:

          From Kimberly Roots’s Twitter last night:

          “There have been several #GameofThrones scenes where women were forced to do things they did not want to do. J&C tonight wasn’t one of them.”

          And your the one stating there is ambiguity in woman saying no as she is raped: “she still kissed him back with tongue and held his face as one would who was a willing participant in the act. Kimberly is pointing out the ambiguity of the scene, which there definitely is some”

          The kiss doesn’t make it less rape, her not wanting to have sex because of the location or because she was trying to manipulate him doesn’t make it less rape. There is no ambiguity.

  31. w aterbug says:

    Great review Kimberly!

  32. Thrones! says:

    does anyone want to discuss the rest of the episode?

    • LJD says:

      I am right there with you! This scene was only 5 minutes of a 55 (or so) minute episode! So many other things happened. Arya and the Hound were entertaining, and the scene in Mereen was great when Dany sent the broken slave collars over the walls. Also Pod broke my heart, he is one loyal squire! Sansa is now with another creep! Poor thing! It was a rather lackluster episode compared to last week, but it moved stories along. Oh…and Davos found a way to possibly get money for Stannis’ fight!

  33. Alice says:

    No one is upset that a show based in a fantasy world depicted one fictional character raping another fictional character.
    That a writer would contribute to rape culture by promoting such a violation as a “turn on” and publish that opinion- is a cause for concern.
    It is a concern every time someone tries to legitimize justifications for rape. So while I would love to talk about other parts of the episode, given the choice this writer made, I think it is worthy of all the fuss.
    It’s an under-reported crime because the victims are attacked just for coming forward. Because people have been told, and now they have been told once again by Kimberley Root, that it’s not really rape if you: have previously had consensual sex with your rapist; have kissed your rapist before you said no; are a bad person.
    Either the writer acknowledges that this was rape and she thinks raping a woman is hot, or, she thinks it wasn’t rape because by doing one of the above, Cersei forfeited the right to have control over what happened to her body and Jamie had a right to have sex with her no matter what she said. Either way is troubling.

    • George Kon says:

      Alice …. WOW Thats just rude … But I guess YOU get to atacj the writer makes you the better person for saying ” somehow am not turned off by any of this?” ….. EPIC fail

    • George Kon says:

      get off the soap box Luke and Lura is a iconic couple and she fell in love with her rapist ….. its tv not real life people grow up ,,,,,,,,and atacking the writer makes you LOOK SMALL …. and A Troll

    • Lovely says:

      Oh Alice Please. Stop being a drama queen. This is a fantasy tv show, not real life… its not politically correct. If you were that touchy you wouldn’t be watching a show depicting an incestuous relationship between a brother and sister in the first place.

    • Anon says:

      Exactly. Well said.

  34. xx says:

    I am not reading any more recaps (or other articles) written by this article’s author because you are contributing to rape culture with your disgusting take on the Jaime/Cersei rape scene.

  35. Tietherope says:

    I cannot believe what I have read in this recap. It’s Mance Rayder, not Mace. Unacceptable ;)

  36. Liam Tait says:

    I think many people who have read the books have trouble accepting the TV’s depiction of the scene. While I can agree that the way the scene was filmed and edited depicted a Jaime raping Cersi however as I’ve read the book I find the actions of Jamie to simply be a misinterpretation of what occurred in the book. While Cersi seems hesitant it seems to be more about the fact it was her period and an unsuitable location, before she gives into her feeling.

    I’m not justifying the actions of Jaime at all, I think the scene was very disturbing on many levels. However from reading statements from the director I feel they simply failed to convey the transition from non consensual to consensual. Which is a real disappointment. For most of the changes from page to screen have clicked and made sense to me I find this one the hardest to stomach, because it seems as if the writer/director/editor isn’t aware they’ve deviated from the source material.

  37. CountryQueen says:

    What? No one wants to talk about the Sam and Gilly scene’s? LOL I was very disappointed in Sam that he thought that brothel was a safer place for her than the Wall. It certainly didn’t seem that way. I was also very bored by their scenes. I usually don’t feel that way, but it sure seemed like a waste of time to me last night.

    It’s nice how they reminded us that the Hound is not a nice person. You want to think he can be redeemed, but then he goes and takes the man’s silver (which we totally knew he would once he stupidly mentioned it – I mean really, you just met these people, do they look honest to you?). Hopefully it reminded Aria that he is not someone to trust.

    Ahhh, Littlefinger, I knew I disliked you. I do not trust you for a moment, though the fool was a fool – the moment I realized he wasn’t going with them I knew he was dead. You couldn’t just let him go – they would torture him for the info if gold wouldn’t have loosened his tongue. I am wondering why he just let the fool float away in the boat – with the necklace.

  38. Lovely says:

    I was not turned on by Drexel and Jamie having sex next to their son’s dead body. I have never found anything appealing about this couple. And the fact that it was next to the son’s dead body makes it even more disgusting. I can only imagine if I was a mother who just lost a child I would not be thinking… I’m horny, I want to have sex next to my dead son. Is it just me or was that totally… off, bizarre, strange, upsetting to view. Yuck….

  39. Ezzy says:

    Everyone thinks Tyrion murdered the king but I say it was his new wife.

  40. It's Fiction People says:

    Oh Jesus… you are all up in arms over a FICTIONAL television show in a FICTIONAL land with FICTIONAL people. GTFO it. Get off your high horses and realize that even in medieval times, situations like this were common occurrences.