Castle Scoop: Nathan Fillion Weighs In on Rick's 'Adult Choice' -- and Answers a Burning Question

Castle Season 6 Preview Marriage ProposalAs Castle Season 5 came to a close, the ABC series’ titular author solved a mystery not of his own crafting by getting on bended knee and asking lady love Kate Beckett to marry him.

And while the bold move caught some viewers off guard — after all, things were starting to go south for the pair in the wake of Beckett  pursuing an out-of-town job — Nathan Fillion‘s eyebrows were not among those arched.

“No, it doesn’t shock me that we were shocking people,” the actor shared with TVLine last week, as his Joss Whedon-penned/directed film Much Ado About Nothing began hitting theaters. “It’s not a shock for me.”

RELATED | What Happens Next: Castle‘s Kate Owes Rick An Answer (Can She Possibly Say No?)

Neither was Fillion taken aback by the quite serious tone to the question-popping, as the finale’s closing scene purposely played out in a manner that seemed headed toward a sad break-up.

“It was important to me not to spoil it, not to telegraph where it’s going,” Fillion says of his alter ego’s approach. After all, he points out, “This is probably one of the more grown-up things Castle has done since becoming a father — and even in being a father, he’s not very grown-up about it. [But] fatherhood happens to you; making a choice to be with someone for the rest of your life, that doesn’t just happen. That is an adult choice you have to make. That is some growing up you have to do. So I wanted to treat it as though it was a serious thing for Castle.”

RELATED | Castle Season 6 Scoop on ‘Big, Juicy’ Caskett Moments to Come

All of which brings us to, you know, Kate’s answer.

Although some fans have theorized that Fillion and leading lady Stana Katic went ahead and filmed Beckett’s response while there at the playground location — if only for continuity sake — the actor confirms, “No. We did not shoot the answer.” Nor does he know what it will be.

“We did that last day of shooting on a Thursday. Friday, I came in and did some looping … and then left town immediately [to] work in Canada,” he reports. As such, he maintained, “I have no idea, not a one. I’ve not had one email, not one discussion, not a phone call about where things are going, what’s going to happen. So I can’t even spoil anything by accident!” (With reporting by Scott Huver)

Want more scoop on Castle, or for any other show? Email insideline@tvline.com and your question may be answered via Matt’s Inside Line.

Comments are monitored, so don’t go off topic, don’t frakkin’ curse and don’t bore us with how much your coworker’s sister-in-law makes per hour. Talk smart about TV!

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

765 Comments
  1. Casketforever says:

    But does he have a theory? Come on he must have a guess!!

    • Sally Ramsey says:

      More to the point, does Stana know? Everyone has been trying to interpret her body language for an answer. If she doesn’t actually know what is going to happen, that is all meaningless.

    • Castle_And_Friends&I says:

      I Don’t under stand way the show brought the two together in a relationship… I love there story more when it was more them just being friends and loved the old silly funny castle.
      One of my favorite screens is castle in the car and the crime drops on the hood.

      But I kinda hate how castle treats Kate he pretty much forced her from the start to have to work with him and pretty much has this childish yet self-sentered personality when it comes to how he feels about Kate and too over protective.

      I feel any person with a personality like Kate’s would never be in a relationship long term and would make there job/ career there life style.

      I would rather see castle hook up with some one elss that’s more like him.

      I feel the two just don’t make sense togather.
      Castle kinda becoming more serious personality like Kate and its making Castle character become boring and less entertaining.

      I hope they stop making the show based on there relationship and more back to humor/action/ mystery.

      The hole turning it into a more romance/mystery kinda turning show into a crime solving soap opera.

      Also who ever did Kate’s makeup in season 6 Episode 1 during the propose Seen made Kate’s eyes look really bad I mean horriabling bad it made her eyes look kinda creepy and look like they where falling into her head and made her eye brows blend in more to her skin tone.

      She looks really bad in that seen cause the makeup was so horribling done..

      Any ways really like the show just kinda not liking the way its going.

    • Laura says:

      You all do realize that this is completely make believe, right? TV. Hollywood. Entertainment. Just checking. Maybe toss in a reality check here…

  2. Terry says:

    *sigh* I was finally getting over the crappy proposal and everything leading up to it… and all these feelings just came back. I hope the show rectifies the damage they did with all the crap they laid out…otherwise this upcoming season is gonna be another dud.

    • Marcy says:

      Sorry that you feel that way as for others like me I loved!!! the season and how the story was thread it is with the unexpected that it is the most romantic not by doing the obvious

      • Teri says:

        I sincerely loved the proposal too. Wanted to see Castle pull out his serious side. When it comes to Beckett, Castle is afraid..afraid to lose the best relationship he has ever had. He loves her so much.

        • Ralph says:

          Beckett didn’t deserve a ring, she deserved a swift kick for all the lying she did in that episode.
          Meanwhile poor old Castle takes another one for the show:-(.

          • Jay says:

            Of course Castle has NEVER lied to Beckett. What about when he went into her mother’s murder case, even though she told him how it had previously ruined her life? How about when he was in contact with Smith, stopping her from digging into the case. He’s not innocent. Sure, I love the character of Kate Beckett, but I love the character of Rick Castle just as much, and I like to treat them fairly.

          • Arne says:

            I agree. Beckett needs to show 100% commitment to this relationship. She seems to be hanging on the Castle till something better comes along. AM needs to get these two together and stop playing with the relationship. I’ve been married for 35+ years and have not had any many pitfalls as these two have had in the past. There are enough problems to face in a marriage for his writing team.

          • donna says:

            Ralph,just found this web site and i must say your101% right on,if others see it differently they are not watching the same show!

          • Debra West says:

            I agree. I love the character Kate Beckett she needs to step up in season six and STOP LYING or holding back/ keeping important things secret from Castle. He deserves better than that. He has more than proven himself to her. I HATED THE SEASON FINALE and NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO FEEL SO MUCH PAIN WHEN THEY PROPOSE. Love CASTLE and trust in Mr. Marlowe and company but I hope season six treats Castle much better.

          • Ralph says:

            The balance has to return or there won’t be a show.

      • Christine says:

        yes it was unexpected .. unexpetedly BAD. 5 seasons of build up and then a forced cold proposal after those last 3 episoded of lying , almost cheating and disrespecting Castle ? This had nothing of the joy and fun which makes the series so incredible.

        • donna says:

          Christine you are right on,how can anyone argue with the truth-when you watch watershed you find not one person has anything positive to say to castle,espo. twice alone,ryan corrects castles theory,his mother’s terrible advice,alexis is mad at him for not sending the check and least we forget kate & her integrity-how do we get to the point were all of them are against him?And i thought the show was called castle-maybe it should be renamed beckett!

        • Matt Avrette says:

          I see where you’re coming from with the almost cheating thing but then agin you got to look at the fact that Beckett could have easily cheated on him but she didn’t and that’s what’s important about it.

          • Ralph says:

            So you would be OK with your spouse “lusting in her heart”, with an occasional peck on the lips also being OK. So we are going to define “is” again? Did you see the look on her face when she said good-bye to Vaughn? I thought she was going to shed tears.

          • KHorn says:

            Ralph, even worse, this was the first day she knew Vaughn and he got that far with her. What if this was someone she had to work with on a regular basis? Is day two spending lunch at some no tell hotel?

          • carl says:

            beckett is just so hot..

          • Ralph says:

            Oh, she cheated on him, Castle was too much of a wimp to do anything about it.

      • Cindy says:

        I agree. I loved the proposal too. It was a side of Castle we don’t see often. He was sincere and I hope the answer is yes.

    • scooby says:

      The last season wasn’t a dud unless someone wants the show to be written like fan fiction. However, Terri Miller is apparently coming back to the writing staff full time (she was freelance last year), and she’s all about the witty, flirty banter, so I bet you’ll be able to tell the difference. The proposal wasn’t crappy, it had to be serious and both believable and unexpected at the same time. They could’ve broken up, it was all teetering on a precipice. It required a big gesture from one or both of them, but this may or may not be the right one. Gonna be an uphill battle to get her to say yes because they haven’t had the conversations about where they’re going with marriage, kids, work long term, etc. that they need to. That doesn’t make a proposal crappy for us, it makes it unwise for THEM, even given how much they love one another. I don’t have a problem with characters not making wise decisions all the time. It’s kinda boring for drama and real people don’t glide happily down on one knee after carefully considering all things. The guy’s usually very tense and nauseated.

      • donna says:

        Scooby,honestly do you really think kate lovescastle-frankly i don’t, if the last 3 eps. shows a women whos’s in love -well then it’s time for me to get some professional help. The only person kate loves is herself,she has not sacrificed for one person her entire life,not one and i have watched all the eps. Pretty sad!

        • Sally Ramsey says:

          Terri was tweeting teaseteasetease giggle snort. She obviously has some fun in mind. It doesn’t sound like a downer.

    • Annie says:

      I totally empathize, Terry. Look at this quote: ““It was important to me not to spoil it, not to telegraph where it’s going.” What the what, now? That’s not a legitimate acting choice. You’re not the anti-spoiler last line of defense. Your job is to inhabit the character and portray, as much as possible, a genuine, rich, complex PERSON. A *person* ipso facto is not concerned with whether all the people watching him can tell what’s coming. I was right where you are, Terry – ready to forgive and move on, despite the multiple serious problems with this series over the back six or so. But now, it’s all just right there – the inconsistencies, the “where did THAT come from?” plot points – and added on top, an unmistakable malodorous whiff of “we’re no longer interested in telling a story, we just want to keep our fans guessing.”

      • BB123 says:

        I disagree with that. The story was written to create a surprise, it was both actors job to preserve it until it was delivered in the right timing. I would have call out a bad acting if Fillion or Katic had any expressionS in their faceS that was letting on that is exactly going on.

        • John says:

          it was hard watching the last episode of castle, he seemed to want to leave the relationship but instead did exactly what he should not, dream of what could be, not what was! the writers are using what is suppost to be one of the most beautiful experiences in life to sell a series and that was evident in the end, but the forgot what kept it alive. after 43 years of marrige my bride and i would like to think someone could manage to get that moment correct. life as its up,s and downs but the best relationship in this series is the father (child) daughter(only adult on the set) all the others are play acting and that is obvious! good luck with maybe your last season if you fail test of what it truely takes to maintain or keep a serious relationship of real love!

    • TvFanGirlObsessed says:

      “another dud”-this season had Castle’s highest ratings to date…with them steadily increasing towards the end-I’m loving the show!!

    • Ralph says:

      IT would ne nice if they did, however, Marlowe has turned into a person who mimics his main character, Beckett. Perhaps they have a warm relationship.

  3. Jules says:

    Well he sounds disinterested like always. Also, that proposal wasn’t very grown up for either Castle or Beckett, instead of talking things out like normal adults they go straight to a proposal. LOL like that’s gonna help with the major issues they have in that relationship. If they can’t even communicate with each other what the hell is a proposal gonna do. Oh man this show didn’t think anything through. Terrible story/character decisions.

    • wut says:

      I don’t see it as Marlowe & Co. not thinking this through, but more as Castle not thinking this through.
      Castle got divorced twice, so he must’ve done something wrong in his past relationships. This proposal, as serious it was to him, it shows that he has no clue about his relationship with Beckett and what’s wrong about it, and I think that that’s quite relatable to real life (meaning that a lot of couples got married without talking about it and thinking it through, and then divorced).
      I thought this whole thing was well thought of and in character, even though I want Beckett to say no(t yet).

      • Kayla says:

        ^ This!
        The proposal was messy, poorly timed and really not super romantic, but it certainly is ‘them’. In fact, I can’t think of anything more in character. They are messy people.

        And I agree and hope that the answer will be no. It’s certainly something that can be handled tastefully and organically. She can say that it’s something she wants, but that they’re not ready for it, and he can agree that they’re not at that point. She’ll tell him that she had decided not to take the job, that he was more important to her, and he’ll tell her that he wants her to take the job, that he doesn’t want her to ever wonder about it.
        Then in sweeps there will be a proposal, and it will be her proposing to him. She’ll do it his way; big and flashy.

        • Ralph says:

          Any answer to this proposal. other than yes will cause many problems for this show. It will mean that Rick bared his soul only to have Beckett kick him in the teeth again. That is when ABC can cue the winter time replacement.

          • Emily says:

            I disagree. It can be done tastefully and in a way that won’t ruin the relationship. There are many scenarios that I, and others, have thought of, and examples on tv where it has happened. Heck, they could go the route of Friends and have her turn him down and him express relief, saying that he wasn’t ready either. This could then prompt an actual discussion which is long overdue. Sure, it’s not the best thing, but it’s one way to deal with it.

            If she says no (or more likely ‘not yet’), I’d be surprised if they weren’t engaged by the end of the season.

          • Ralph says:

            I’ll be surprised also because the show won’t be on the air.

          • Fran says:

            You are completely wrong. There are many ways the show could go, all you have to do is think about it. I have no clue why you keep insisting this show is done. I’ve yet to see an argument of yours that is valid concerning the shows “demise”.

          • Ralph says:

            The show has a lot of viewers. Mostly they view Castle and Beckett as an equal couple. The last three episodes have left a lot of people with a really bad taste in their mouths and one I’m sorry will not right the ship.

            Our viewership has been close to the borderline on the e18-49 age group since its inception, I know from reading boards like this one and others that unequal treatment of the co-stars has angered many. I speak for myself when I say that if Marlowe can’t right the ship in 6-1 he will be in deep dodo. I will be gone and there are others that will follow. If you think that the Kate Beckett show will fly, I have some swamp land I’d like to sell you.

          • scooby says:

            Oh darn. Ralph is gonna bail, y’all! Oh noes! Seriously, Marlowe’s gonna do what’s right for the show and doesn’t need threats. He and his wife are the model for Castle and Beckett. They’ve said they believe you can be in a relationship, ultimately married, and still have the banter and drama. You don’t get characters together at the very end because that’s all the storytelling there is to do. It’s not gonna fizzle because the couple’s together. The Thin Man is a big inspiration for them. They’ve talked about how one big problem with Moonlighting was breaking them up to create drama because they were scared about what to do next on that show. Their priorities for the show’s core relationship are clear. If you can’t look at all that and conclude what’s going to happen between the two characters, I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Ralph says:

            Then don’t Scoob!

          • Carl says:

            The proposal was a mistake. From the beginning, Season 1 until Season 5, episode 22 everything seemed to fit. The entire cast had a chemistry that meshed with Castle and Beckett and it made you anticipate what was coming next. Their relationship developed over 5 seasons and at times it was sort of zany but that’s what made it work so well. There were many moments in each season that Castle and Beckett has ample opportunities to let each other know just how they felt but neither could commit to it, so even though you knew they loved each other, it wasn’t until 5-22 Still, that Beckett finally pulled the trigger. That sort of sealed it for lots of fans. However, 5-23 and 5-24 totally destroyed everything about their relationship from Season 1 until the end on Season 5. With the out-of-nowhere Feds getting involved with a job offer in DC and her flirting session in 5-23 with Mr slick, they backed themselves into a deep corner and the poor timing of the rushed proposal really didn’t help matters. Now they plan on bringing in two new cast members, a fed women and a super detective and that will just complicate matters even more. It sort of tells you that the answer to the proposal is NO and the relationship of Castle and Beckett has gone South. it’s unfortunate but I hope they can resurrect their relationship prior to 5-23 and 5-24 forget about DC and build story lines in and around N.Y. afterall, that’s what has made it “Castle”.

        • Corkey says:

          If Beckett the Bimbo says any form of “No” to Castle’s proposal, I pray he rabbits and fans by the millions broadcast “Alpha Mike Foxtrot” to Marlowe and his creative dolts!

          • Helen says:

            Corkey you are an Idiot..I hope she says NOT..what are you gonna do about it?

          • Ralph says:

            Corkey is no idiot! He expressed a valid opinion. What has happened in this show has occurred many times in other shows. Two persons who are equal in the show and billing and for whatever reason one becomes the dominant character.
            When that happens the fan base is split and it really spells bad news for the show. The aggreived parties finally leave. Lotsa luck Beckett fans watching the Kate Beckett show

          • BB123 says:

            I do agree with that…But I don’t think it’s that is happening in Castle.
            Rick Castle and Kate Beckett are in two opposite side of a specter, on at least, one thing, is forgiveness, and that’s true since the beginning.
            Castle forgives easily. We have seen it with Meredith. The woman cheat on him, Left him to raise alone their daughter and he’s still in friendly term with her (to say the least). The same goes with Kyra (she left him for no good reason, he as no ill feelings about that).
            So, when Beckett does something that hurt Castle, he will forgive her very quickly.
            Beckett…there’s a woman that now how to hold a grudge. Take FBI guy that I can’t remember his name (but I liked anyway). Years after the fact he left her for the job, she still hold it against him.
            So, when Castle does someting that hurt Beckett, he has to work to have her forgiveness (and will have it everytime).
            If someone doesn’t see that, doesn’t understand that strengh and weakness (because it can be both strengh and weakness for both Castle and Beckett) of this characters, the dynamics and the show would seems unbalanced in Beckett favor. (How many times did we read “Castle is her doormat” ?).
            But if you understand that, then you see that this has nothing to do with the dynamics of their relationship, that they are still both equal, and that it’s just how they are wired separatly.

          • Marie Wilkerson says:

            Beckett is anything but a Bimbo! In Marlowe I trust. Kate loves Rick and after 4 years they are so a part of each other and this proposal will work itself out so they can continue to solve crime!

          • Ralph says:

            So after the last three episodes you claim that Kate is not a bimbo and that she loves Castle, that you trust in Marlowe. Okay, what did you watch while the last three episodes were playing?

        • Kate says:

          I agree with Kayla in some respects. I would like Kate to say no, go off to DC and have Castle bury himself in his work as they attempt to make a long distance relationship work. Leap forward three months (as we know they can do in TV land!) as suddenly Kate finds herself back in NY after the task force has been disbanded. The NYPD is forced to take her back courtesy of the Feds and she returns but things are rather strained. I’d then like to see season 6 about them finding each other again almost as is from the beginning and end with another proposal only this time from Kate. Not that I’ve thought about it much… :)

          • Sally Ramsey says:

            Hmmm. Similar in structure to Rise, with the time jump. They could explore how the boys and Lainie feel about Kate taking off. I really think if something happens in DC to bring Kate back, it should be about Bracken. Wouldn’t it be cool if Kate gets assigned to investigate that mess? It would bring her back to NYC and Castle could help her. In the end,his power could knock out the task force and she would be in NYC again.

    • Annie says:

      Totally agreed.

  4. Mmmmm says:

    *Sigh* It wasn’t adult, it was borne of desperation. I mean the woman can barely say ” I love you” So disappointed in how it finished :(

    • jane says:

      And he ignores and takes her for granted, and that’s something that played out through the entire season, not just the crappy arch at the end of the season.
      Relationships aren’t one-sided. It takes two people to get into the mess that they’re into. You can’t say either is any more to blame than the other.

      And yeah… I’m honestly doubtful that they didn’t film more. There were photos of Stana and Nathan on the swings taken by fans at the set into the night and if they were finished filming, I’m doubtful they’d be sitting on the swings which, if memory serves, aren’t a fixture of the park. If the filming was done, they wouldn’t have had the cameras and lights trained on actors sitting on a prop.

      the new season could potentially pick up seconds later, and any changes in appearance (like stana’s shorter and lighter hair) are going to be super obvious. marlowe may not have given nathan any hint of where it’s actually going to go, but I doubt they didn’t film anything else. notice that nathan says they didn’t film her answer? It doesn’t mean they didn’t film other things. A non-answer perhaps? Kate storming off? Stoney silence between the two? “I can’t do this right now”. None of those things are answers, and none would definitively suggest the eventual outcome. They don’t close the book.

      • Deedee says:

        Scenes take a very loooong time to shoot, jane, and typically a whole lot of footage is shot and then edited, so even if they were sitting on the swings late into the night, it doesn’t mean they were shooting ‘other things’… they could just have been shooting numerous takes of what we’ve already seen (i.e. Castle and Beckett’s interaction up until the proposal).

        Also, they don’t necessarily have to continue at the swings in the Season 6 premiere… they could always do a ‘time jump’ to the next day, week or month, or even jump months ahead… it’s been done in past seasons of ‘Castle’.

        So basically, yeah, not convinced by your argument…..

      • Squintern says:

        They blocked off the swings so it wasn’t able to be “seen” by random folks. The ‘leaked’ photos came from onset folks and NONE contained anything spoilery.

      • Nancy says:

        I agree with you, Jane. SK and NF were studying lines in those photos. SK did not need to study that hard for the few lines that she had at that point in the finale. I think they filmed more with SK’s long hair. SK will echo some of the same things that she said a year ago. “You’re kidding me. You’re bringing this up now.” After all, the whole episode was full of echos of past episodes including the proposal a la Kevin Ryan on one knee saying Jenny’s full name. Then SK will say that they have to talk first before she will say yes. While they begin to discuss, fade to black then cut to a murder scene with SK’s shorter hair. I know that NF said that they did not film her answer, but I think that NF is stretching the truth “just a little bit” to quote a Castle line.

    • Ralph says:

      Agreed!

  5. Christina says:

    Either way, I’m just happy they didn’t break up. I’d be perfectly satisfied with Kate saying she’s staying in town, but this is too soon. If done right, she could say no, they could stay together, and he could ask again during sweeps.

    • Mmmmm says:

      Don’t get me wrong I’m so happy they didn’t break up but they have written themselves into a corner with this. They are nowhere near ready for marriage and any ” no” from Kate will set them back even more. It would have been so much better to have a few more I love you’s beforehand. Also am I the only one who really didn’t like Beckett in the eps post Still

      • meh says:

        I agree, Beckett was just a very unlikeable character in the last few episodes.

        Going to take alot of work to redeem her now.

      • Christina says:

        I totally agree on the i love you thing. If it takes a bomb to get her to say it, idk what it would take to get her to say yes to a marriage proposal. Also, I too wasn’t a huge Beckett fan post Still. I get that she wanted more, but I dont really see how she could question Castles commitment – especially when he was 15 seconds away from dying with her on that bomb. He’s clearly in it for life.

        • Kay says:

          Do you guys honestly think that was the first time she said it? i didn’t see it that way, and i’m pretty sure that’s how it was intended to be seen. Molly, Penny and Tamala have all said as such on twitter at various times. Sure, it’s open to interpretation, but I can’t see it any other way. The ILY in Still was anything other than an ‘I’m probably going to die so I better say this’ ILY or a first ILY. No. They were familiar words between the two.

          • Ralph says:

            I’ve watched every episode of this show since its inception, including watching most episodes many times. Trust me, It isn’t open to interpretation, she either did or did not say it, and she did not say it!

          • Kay says:

            In that case I believe you’re watching a different show to me.

          • Ralph says:

            Kay, you’re right I am watching a different show. Would you please give me the episode number and the approximate in the episode, so that I might see this for myself.
            Thank you.

          • Kay says:

            It’s not said explicitly, it’s subtext. Characters live beyond what we see on the screen. They change, they grow, they develop. Things happen that we don’t see. We didn’t see them have sex in Always or After the Storm, but we all know it happened. Sure, we didn’t see them say ILY until Still, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen until then. Like I said earlier, Molly, Penny and Tamala said as such at various, and multiple times on twitter, and Terri has implied it over and over again.

          • Ralph says:

            So, she didn’t say it, did she? Implications in a scripted show don’t count simply because it is interpretative, not factual. Thanks for playing.

          • Kay says:

            Ralph, you can say that about every thing in any show. I never once said it was factual, I believe you can clearly see I said it was interpretive. But given the evidence, I’m applying my reasoning skills and using my mind to put the facts together and reach a reasonable conclusion. And again, confirmation from people who work closely with (and in the case of Terri, are married to) the creator and showrunner would be enough proof for me, even if I didn’t use my reasoning skills to reach that conclusion.

          • Ralph says:

            So you have an in with Andrew??

          • Fran says:

            It really makes me wonder if some people have watched and understood this show since the beginning. It has always been about the subtleties. Always. That hasn’t changed. Everything doesn’t have to be in your face and spelled out for you. It’s your right to not like that, but it’s not going to change now. To me Castle and Beckett have always had the most realistic relationship on TV.

          • Ralph says:

            Subtext is real only to the writer. The rest of the garbage is filled in by each individual according to his or her preferences. IOW, subtext wouldn’t fly in a courtroom and it won’t fly that Beckett told Castle that she loved him.

          • Kay says:

            Subtext wouldn’t fly in a courtroom? Well looks like my law school has been teaching me the wrong thing for the past four years.
            I may not have an in with Marlowe, but I’ve watched the show numerous times, analysed episodes and the subtleties and written articles about these things. This show is about the little things, like Fran said. Wonder why the word ‘always’ is so important? How about the ice cubes trick? Yeah, subtleties aren’t important? Well why did they bring back a throw away line from an episode years ago? If these things weren’t important, they wouldn’t be recurring over and over again.
            As for subtext only existing for the author? I’ve spent years obtaining a degree in literature which has taught me the complete opposite. Even so, I don’t need that to tell me how important subtext is, and how real it is.
            The whole basis of the Castle-Beckett relationship lies in the subtext. Fans and critics alike were pairing the characters long before anything remotely explicit happened on the show. Why? This all happened because there was subtext that viewers picked up on and responded to. Subtext is at the heart of the ‘will they-won’t they’ relationship they have. To me, that says it is both extremely important and extremely real.

          • scooby says:

            I’ll say “Amen” to Kay, suggest that I think we’re twins and ask for a Lit major high five, and say I agree that it’s ridiculous to think that only what happens on screen is part of their lives. We’re supposed to infer things have happened, from ILYs to going to the bathroom. It’s about whether it’s part of the story the audience is seeing.

          • Kay says:

            Yes Scooby! HI FIVE!

          • Christine says:

            so we just fabricate facts because we want toi hear/see them ? She didnt say ILY before Still and she had ample opportunities to do so. She was always the hesitant one to the point in the last 3 episodes where i honetly felt she was talking heslef out of the relationship. Her treatment of Castle one episode after he was ready to die for her was absolutely dreadful und cold.
            She came across as selfish to the point where i felt so sorry for Castle that he has to put up with that. Sure he was a doormat before but in a charming way but this felt like downright disrespect.

        • LeighLee says:

          It took Beckett getting shot for Castle to say “I love you” so it’s not just her. And he hadn’t said again all season until she did. She actually would have been the first to say it if she hadn’t passed out when they were locked in the freezer in Setup. Castle has been willing to die with her since season 1 so that’s not really a sign of their committed relationship. Don’t put the blame all on Kate. Their problem is communication and that’s on both of them.

          • Ralph says:

            Is that the one where she ran out the door into the arms of Dr. Motorcycle boy? Yeah, she really said ‘I love you’.

          • Mary says:

            Exactly! There´s no doubt any of them would be there to die with the other, but where does that take them in terms of moving forward with the relationship? Anywhere, imo. They say ILY (the words, because the subtext is always present) in dramatic situations, but don´t discuss what they want for the future, hell, they don´t discuss the future, point!
            That´s why “Watershed” is so complicated, they are at a point where they have to discuss it…
            Now, I have no idea how it will go from there, I was sure they had filmed more…in terms of continuity, there´ll be issues if the new season picks up from where the last left (hair, weight and all). Maybe there´ll be a time jump and we´ll know the answer just in a flashback, and with no images, just voices? I would hate that scenario, btw:)

        • BB123 says:

          I came to the conclusion that Still was the proverbial gift horse we should have look into the mouth.
          Don’t get me wrong, I adored Still.. But Still give us proof of love from both, proof of commitment from Castle as Christina point with the bomb. That Kate question their relationship after that event doesn’t make sense (at least to me an several over viewer if I can believe what I read here).
          If we remove Still from the season, it makes sense. All of the season, Castle had done nothing but let Beckett lead the relationship. It’s clear that he is serious, and he’s in for the long haul but he’s so afraid about scaring Kate away (for good reason) that he let her lead.
          Something that, sadly doesn’t help Kate in her confusion, and the question “where are we going ?” has to pop up at one point.
          So, While I’ll always love the great episode that was Still, I think it throw out all the build-up that Marlowe tried to do this season.

          • Aimee says:

            You’re right! Still undid a lot of the work that went into the build up throughout the season and it wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t given the extra episode. It was a last minute addition and the final 3-episode arch plays out better without any consideration of Still. If I were to re-order it, I’d be placing it around The Lives of Others, or perhaps earlier.

          • Rick says:

            If you throw out Still there isn’t much left of a relationship. She has champagne and allows a guy she just met and is supposed to be guarding (I.e. she is on duty) to kiss (almost kiss?) her after a half hearted statement that she in a relationship and in love with Castle. I would expect my wife to deck him at that point. Or at least not let him get that close. And then she lies to him about looking for a job and a new life in a different city. On top of that you think she can say no to his proposal and not leave Castle looking like and a loser. If he then goes after her why isn’t he just a pathetic stalker?

          • Ralph says:

            Good point. The entire three ep ‘arc’ is totally unrealistic. I can’t believe Marlowe was this stupid!

        • LGS says:

          How funny! It took Beckett getting shot and dying on the ground for Castle to say I love you. Go figure. Who was that ILY for; him or her?

        • Me says:

          Ummmm…..Law School is only three years.

          • Ralph says:

            That’s why I didn’t bother to reply to her message. I have a Master’s in Accounting(MPA) and a CPA certificate along with 30 years of experience with an international accounting firm. That part is a fact. I could, however claim all sorts of crap and no one would know the difference. I took three courses in law and I know just enough law to get into trouble. That then gives my attorney a chance to make money. The point is Internet bravado is seldom accurate.

            Subtext means something which id implied or unspoken and thus is interpretive. What is interpretive to one person is another persons lie. That is why subtext is usually useless in a courtroom.

            Of course anyone with a law degree and a degree in literature would know this.

          • Mel says:

            Actually in Australia it isn’t. It’s a four year degree, or five and a half when paired with an arts degree.

          • Ralph says:

            My son is a CPA and accounting is now a five-year degree.

      • Lynn says:

        As a independant woman myself I think Kate’s character was just fine in the last episodes. Sadly some people seem to want her to be what she isn,t. Castle’s mom put it just right. Kate is a strong intelligent person, he wants her to put him first even though neither of them know where their relationship is going..if anywhere. She has to make decisions on her own life and what she wants in case he keeps wanting to avoid any serious talk about their future. As Martha said..he is having his fun…what if that is all he wants? is Kate to sit around and let her opportunities slide in the hope he may decide to commit? come on..would you? She loves Castle and while love may be blind..it doesn,t have to be deaf and dumb too.

        • Aimee says:

          Thank you! She can’t control the entire relationship, but her career is the one constant in her life, and the job opportunity is the one thing in her life that she has actual control over.

        • meh says:

          Wanting the job wasn’t the issue, keeping it a secret from him is.

          • BB123 says:

            And saying that it has nothing to do about them, when, quite clearly, it would change their life.
            Either she moves and they break up, or Castle follow her their, it’s still a life changing event for Castle. He has some right to know that could hit him with some advances

          • LeighLee says:

            It was only an interview! That’s not committing to take the job and leave. That’s just for her to see what it’s all about. And it was a job she didn’t really believe she would even get. Why bring it up yet? It could have caused an argument for nothing if she didn’t get the job. If Castle hadn’t found her boarding pass and blew up over it, I’m sure Kate would have talked to him about it before just taking the job and leaving him when it was offered to her.

          • JAA says:

            Thank you, LeighLee. It was just a job interview for a job she didn’t really want to take. The episode was about their relationship, the job was the vehicle to getting those answers. Beckett was just being Beckett.

          • Deedee says:

            Yes, and I think a lot of people who seem to think this is okay aren’t thinking of how they would feel if their partner secretly slinked off to go to an interview and then deliberately hid it from them.

          • Aimee says:

            Oh I agree, she shouldn’t have kept it a secret, but looking at it from her point of view, I can understand it. The job was something she had control over. She knew that he wouldn’t react well to her potentially leaving town, even if she had been upfront about it, and she wasn’t sure she wanted the job. So she went to the interview to find out more, to work out if it was something she actually wanted. Yes, she should have been upfront, but I can understand why she didn’t.

          • JAA says:

            May I remind you Castle went to Paris while Beckett thought he was at home with his mother?

          • BB123 says:

            May I remind you that he did it out of desesperation to save his daughter life ?
            You can’t compare this two events !

          • Emma says:

            The difference is that he could have (and nearly did) get killed doing so.

          • JAA says:

            Of course I can, a lie is a lie no matter what

          • BB123 says:

            The difference is in the motivation.
            As I said, Castle hide it because it was is belief he could save his daughters but they wouldn’t him to put himself in danger. The motivation his “saving Alexis”.
            What was Kate motivations to hide to from Castle ?

          • JAA says:

            So according to you he not only lied he also didn’t trust Beckett enough to let him go after his daughter.

          • BB123 says:

            JAA,
            I disagree with that. It’s wrong to lie, but sometimes, the reasons are really really good ones. IMHO, it’s true for virtually everything. (It’s wrong to murder someone, but ifsomeone kill my child…etc etc, I think you see where I am going).
            I really think that the reasons and why Castle lied are more forgivable IMO and my own view of life/things etc than the reason that Kate.gives.
            Even more so if you add the fact that Castle was highly worried, couldn’t think straight and was bound to make a bad decision when Beckett was the opportunity to make the decision to hide it with a cool head.
            But that’s how I view things and If we really at different side of things here, we won’t conviced each other.

          • BB123 says:

            JAA
            No, he knows that it was a stupid thing to do, that no one would let him go because not going was the smart and intelligent think to do. He trusts her with his life. However, he was ready to through his life away, so not the person to go to say “hey, I am going to a suicidal mission, love you btw and don’t miss me too much”
            However, that wasn’t that Castle needed and quite frankly if it wasn’t for the show, it would have been the worst decision ever !
            And I repeat myself, but Castle wasn’t in any capacity to take a good and reasonable decision. Foolish, yes. Understable, also yes.

          • JAA says:

            It wasn’t understandable to me, if he had been killed, Beckett wouldn’t even have had the chance to say goodbye and she would have spent the rest of her life blaming herself for asking Castle to go home with his mother, as if she hasn’t enough dealing with her mother’s death.

          • BB123 says:

            JAA
            Trying to save his daughter life, and maybe getting kill by doing so, V.S avoiding hurting Beckett and staying at home while his daughter is in a lfe or death situation…

            I understand and even support his choice and even would have hate Castle if he did otherwise

          • Emily says:

            I understand him going. I get it. I don’t understand him not including her. She would have let him go. She would have gone with him. She loves him, and Alexis, so much, that she’d do anything for them.

          • JAA says:

            I didn’t say staying with Beckett versus going after his daughter, I said that he should have told her what he was going to do and let her decide whether she was more useful to him in NY or in Paris. He didn’t give her a choice.

          • BB123 says:

            Emily ,
            There’s a trust issue right there, I agree. But, I don’t think he though that much about it. In his screw-up mind at the time it could have go like this “I have to go to Paris, I have to find Alexis, Beckett just sent me home and want me to rest she won’t let me “.
            ANd there also the whole “single-parent that don’t have to discuss decisions concerning their child” issue that play into IMO
            Plus JAA didn’t seem to understand why he went, so I was answering more to that.
            All of that being said, I still think that you can’t compare the two events, the motivations, the context, the stakes are so widely differents that’s it’s unfair for both of then to try to do so.

          • Ralph says:

            Thank you, meh. I guess that was subtext when Castle was attempting to tell the dumb broad why he was upset! She never really got it, until her “apology”. What a sincere “apology” it was:-))).

        • Ralph says:

          As an independent woman, it doesn’t appear you are open to fair play!

          • Deedee says:

            Exactly, Ralph… I’m an independent woman too but that doesn’t mean that I get to ignore my partner’s needs, make life-changing decisions (that will directly affect him) without involving him, and basically do just what I want all the time. What’s the point of having a partner then? I would be better off alone.

            Lynn, what a strong, independent woman would do faced with Beckett’s situation is not sit around quietly, letting opportunities pass her by, in hopes that he would commit – you are right about that. But neither is it sneaking off to attend a job interview in another city, without telling him. The independent woman would confront the real issue directly. So Beckett was so concerned that Castle was not fully invested in the relationship – don’t you think the right thing to do in that circumstance would be to face those fears by having an adult discussion? (And I don’t mean asking ‘where are we going?’ once and then letting it rest. I mean an actual mature discussion). And then if the conversation makes it clear that he’s just messing around (never mind the events in ‘Still’!), then she can move on with integrity, knowing she deserves better.

            Going after a new job in a new city (while keeping it all hush-hush and clandestine so as not to ‘rock the boat’) is not the ‘independent’ choice, in fact it’s a cowardly one. It simply wasn’t the honorable thing to do, and while I *love* Beckett, I don’t think this side of her should be applauded or excused away… I would feel the same if the behavior was coming from Castle… who of course has his own fair share of flaws, and shouldn’t have allowed his fear of losing Beckett to hold him back from unmistakably letting her know he was ‘all in’. They are both flawed, and they are both good, decent people who want to deal with their issues and become better people… and that’s why I love them. I think making excuses for wrong behavior actually does them a disservice.

          • BB123 says:

            DEEDEE
            I fracking love you for this post !
            They have flawed, both of them, and that’s make them magnificient characters !!!!
            and I don’t remember who wrote “beckett was just being beckett”. I have to answer : it isn’t an excuse at all !!

          • KHorn says:

            DeeDee
            I agree with what you’ve said, but my main complaint with all the Beckett apologists is they ignore what she said to her father. She said if she takes the job there will be no time for anything else. I’ve said this before, she expressly states that if she takes the job there will be no relationship with Castle not because Castle won’t support her, but because she will have no time for him. That’s no time as in zilch, nada a great big nothing. So if she takes the job, she is ending the relationship, and then she says she wants the job. You are exactly right about how a true strong, independent person (man or woman) would handle and this whole Castle lies too is just asinine. The motives and effects are completly different, but even if they weren’t, it wouldn’t matter. Beckett has clearly indicated she is checked out of the relationship because she says the job is the end of it and I want the job. Maybe she changed her mind in the interim, but the fact she came to that conclusion says so much. So she lies and deceives about looking for a job out of town, the job will end the relationship, she still wants the job, but supposedly she’s as committed as he is? I’d say her actions say otherwise.

        • Ralph says:

          That is why I hope and pray she will take the job. Rick deserves better.

          • Ellie says:

            He deserves better than a woman he loves, and who loves him back? He deserves better than happiness? Sure. We all deserve better than the best thing for us.

          • Ralph says:

            He deserves a woman who will be faithful to him,tell him the truth and include him in her plans. He can do better.

          • Ellie says:

            She can do better too. A quick peck that was quickly pushed away is nothing when compared to the dry humping he had going on earlier in the season. You can’t vilify one and not the other.

          • Ralph says:

            Yeah, she has really shown that love in the last three episodes.

          • Christine says:

            I am actually coming to the same conclusion. While Beckett has said ILY in still has anyone seen the love in the last 3 episodes ? All i saw was a selfish woman who disprespected her man at every opportunity. She let a stranger badmouth him without defending Castle one bit. Then the peck and almost kiss. You could feel that she wanted it. What would you do if your spouse would do that ? Honetly ? What would you do if you find out that your spouse told dad that a job is what he/she wants and not you ?
            It justs belittles the relationship that was built up brilliantly for 5 seasons until Still. It came completely out of left field this lack of empathy from Beckett , this selfish coldness. It is not modern or independant. It was disrespectul and selfish. Theres a big difference. If you truly love someone she would NOT have acted the way she did in the last 3 episodes .. period !
            Now i think Castle deserves more … she doesnt.

          • KHorn says:

            Christine,
            Excellent points. The sad thing is that for the rest of the season they were showing her opening up and showing real love and attention to Castle. Then, bang, she’s the ice queen. The other thing that is off kilter about the job other than why she’d want it over Castle is why does she want it at all? After her mother’s death she became a police officer because she wanted to see justice for the victims, to make sure the guilty paid and that wrongdoing was exposed. That is not this job at all. This is being a federal hatchet woman. As someone else pointed out, Stack was carrying a suppressed pistol, that’s not the sidearm of a person out for justice. Also, note how he was acting, he ultimately was glad they caught the son, but before that he was orchestrating the stealing of evidence and interfering with the investigation. If the perp had been a rogue federal agent, does anyone think Stack would have gone for an indictment and trial, or a quiet shot to the head and/or a cover up of the whole incident? The job is one of an ethically compromised cleaner of government embarrassments, not a champion for the victims; in fact my guess is the role will often require that the victims never learn the truth. Does any of that sound like the Beckett of the last 4+ years? It doesn’t to me, but now she suddenly wants it so badly she will throw over the man she claims to love and abandon her friends to take it? Again, I thought the writing of the last three episodes was terrible because they made the two main characters so different, but especially Beckett.

        • Corkey says:

          Love is betrayal of trust, infidelity, and lying; love is lying (Human); love is insensitive, arrogant, self-centered, and most of all untruthful? Holy cats, no wonder so many men strike out!

          I’m not asking you to become the mayor of “Realville”, I’m just hoping you stop guzzling all the Kool-Aid in Whoville.

          Beckett’s character has been damaged almost beyond repair. If she stands for what the modern woman stands for, then all is lost!

      • c-see says:

        Mmmmm,check out tv fanatic site,the overwhelming % of people hated the the last 3eps.seriously,how can any one claim to be objective like those,they portrayed kate as totally self centered and this was after castle was willing to die for her and leave his daughter fatherless,that is unconditional love ,how can these people question castle,as if he is taken her for granted are they watching the same show-you have to wonder.

    • Squintern says:

      the subtext in this episode was hastily written and contradicted itself on several different occasions.

  6. Tam says:

    People seem to forget that Castle being twice divorced will be the last person to ever agree to marriage n just play it as a last hand to play unless he really really wants it. To me at least, he does. There is nothing desperate about making a stand for sth that you want (just like Kate did by coming to him at the end of Always) I dont see why its wrong that he is choosing to be with her and make them work despite of their insecurities and miscommunication. I dont knw how ppl see wrong in that, because i dont.

    • Piper says:

      Thank you! It was determination not desparation. Watershed is an episode you have to watch a few times to catch all the subtext. I was unsure of the proposal at first but now I see Castle putting everyrhing on the line for Kate. He said that whatever she decides, he just wants her.

    • Deedee says:

      Exactly, he’s tried and failed at it twice, so no way is he going to propose again just out of desperation. This was a serious, grown-up move, a commitment to make things work between them. I think it’s commendable, and I really can’t understand all the complaining.

      • BB123 says:

        Some people complain because it isn’t a fairy, and it isn’t perfect.
        Perfect world : you propose only when you’re sure that the answer will be yes and everything is perfect in your relationship and with the perfect timing.
        Real world :More often than not, men propose to prove themselves to their partner, to prove their commitment, and show that they really, really want them in their life forever. And guess what ? some of this marriage works, other doesn’t. (some goes with the perfect proposal).

    • femmefan1946 says:

      I’d argue that Rick has had three serious relationships. But look at them. Two were before he turned twenty four. Kyra was a university romance. Meredith was pregnant (and it was her behaviour that broke them up). And Gina seems to have been something between wanting a mother ror Alexis and marrying his “Work Wife”. And as mentioned above, He keeps on good terms with all three, who have warm feelings about him (well, Gina…). I wonder if Rick is less likely to fall in love than he is to fall in lust. He and Beckett have both had other lovers in the course of the show, so chastity is not the problem. Rick wants what? The mother that Martha never was? Beckett wants what? To keep all her relationships on the surface with no committments? Of the two I think Rick is more honest about his expectations from the relationship.

  7. K says:

    Omg everyone who thinks castle proposal was a desperate attempt to keep Beckett from going to Wasnigton DC is delusional. Clearly you don’t understand that when castle said “whatever happens, whatever you decide” meant that he wants to marry Kate no matter where she lives. Kate needs to know why his past marriages failed or maybe perhaps Kate figures that it wasn’t his fault

    • Deedee says:

      THANK YOU!! Some people didn’t even listen to the words that came out of Castle’s mouth.

    • Brendan says:

      You’re assuming that people use facts or logic when discussing TV couples…. though your imagined world is one in which I would certainly prefer to live ;)

    • Mari says:

      THIS SO MUCH!

    • c-mo says:

      People don’t think he was desperate to keep her in NYC, they think that he was desperate to keep her in his life period, regardless of NYC or DC. He recognizes that if she takes the job without witnessing his grand gesture, she’s checked out of the relationship and they’re over. By making the grand gesture of proposing, he has way over compensated to make sure that she understands that he wants her in his life and even tells her that no matter what she decides, he’s in.

    • John says:

      ^this^

      Other items are discussable but, come on, he flat out stated his position on the job.

    • scooby says:

      He may have overcompensated big time, but let’s not forget, he’s got issues Kate doesn’t know about. She doesn’t know Deep Fried Twinkie aka ex-wife #1 aka Meredith cheated on Castle. That’s gotta factor into the proposal to some extent, not to mention the jealousy about a billionaire when he’s gotta know Kate’s not the kind of person to upgrade financially like that and be swept away by some desire to become a version of Melinda Gates. She wants a deep relationship, not what amounts to a job position with perks like getting to sleep with the guy (however handsome) and a glamorous life. He knows her better than that–the insecurity was really about him. Beckett thinks she’s “just a cop” i.e. not enough for him. She was intimidated by the Hamptons. In her head, good things don’t get to last this long and commitments can be taken away from her like her mom was. She’s got baggage. Martha pointed that out and that’s when he realized ‘yeah she’s got baggage, and I want her, baggage and all, no matter what’ which to him meant marriage. He didn’t think about how she doesn’t really know all HIS baggage. He’s made “them” about her and she needs the stuff he wouldn’t give to Meredith that Meredith blamed on the demise of their marriage. Castle is an overgrown kid who thinks he can live his life in an ‘ooh shiny’ way. He’s trying to commit before he’s earned it, but the leap he made in his conversation with Martha was a big step.

      • KHorn says:

        What stuff he wouldn’t give Meredith? The right to live in California and sleep with her director while still being married to Castle? Recall, the reason the marriage ended was her affair and sending him divorce papers fromr CA. Everything we’ve seen about Meredith is that she is an immature manipulative bitch, so her little shot at the end of Significant Others was clearly just to get inside Beckett’s head. Castle’s answered every personal question Beckett’s asked about his past, so if she really needs to know why not ask? Oh, and if Beckett is such a strong, modern independent woman, if she wants a marriage why can’t she ask?

      • Just one thing says:

        This is a really interesting analysis. And I would bet that most of what you said falls in line with what the writers have been going for.
        .
        It’s just been wrapped up in so much ambiguous subtext. I almost wonder if Castle’s insecurities are a top priority. Hopefully they touch on them early on next season.
        .
        Both characters are quite deep and very complex. Let’s explore that more, out in the open. Instead of Martha giving us insight into Castle or Jim giving insight into Beckett, let’s have them say it out loud — preferably to each other.

  8. Erika Cowley says:

    I think the show is awesome and Caskett is awesome! If you don’t like how the writers are writing than don’t watch the show simple as that! All of us devote fans don’t want to listen to people complain! the writers know whats at stake, and know where its going to go and most of us know as well! Just let it play out and enjoy it!

    • Deedee says:

      Well said, Erika!! All the whining is getting irritating!

      Seriously, people, this is a great show – there’s nothing quite like it on TV. Even if you’re disappointed with a few recent choices or storylines, hopefully the fact that you’re still watching the show means that your overall experience as an audience member is positive. So take the crunchy with the smooth, and well, if it all starts to get a little too crunchy for you in the end, vote with your feet. You’ll be happier for it! Whining endlessly about everything makes you dull!

      • Kayla says:

        People aren’t necessarily whining. People are allowed to speculate and have opinions. Taking fault with one element of something doesn’t really mean someone doesn’t like it.

        • Deedee says:

          Agreed, and yes, some fans are just expressing dissatisfaction with one element while still appreciating the show as a whole… you’re right about that. However, some people are flat out whining, it has to be said.

        • Christine says:

          For a show which is on the bubble to cancellation having half the fan base whining is a big deal. Losing more viewers would end the show and bad writing as the last 3 episodes clearly were wont help.
          Having your lead actress viewed as a cold selfish b**** by many cant be the intent of the writers. Flaws in leads are OK but i really think they have done serious damage to Becketts character which needs to be repaired asap. If they go the route where she says No and goes to DC i guarantee that many will turn off and next season will be tha last.

          • femmefan1946 says:

            On the bubble of cancellation? Ratings have been rising and are now hovering around 11 million an episode. Nathan Fillion has just signed a two year contract extension with ABC. The fanfiction.net site has Castle fanfic in the top twenty of stories submitted (fwiw). It’s a journeyman show,and nothing that catches the eye of TV critics, but I doubt it is in danger of cancellation. Oh, unless ABC recently hired some ex-Fox executives. I’m still bitter about Firefly.

      • Ralph says:

        There is a big difference between whining and the telling the truth. During the confrontation between Beckett and Castle of the lie of the interview Beckett put on the biggest display of selfishness I’ve seen yet on this show, and she has put on that display many times over the years.

        • JAA says:

          Selfishness? she’s the one putting her life in danger everyday, she’s the one honoring the dead day after day, she’s the one who’s been taking the Christmas shift every year so the rest of her coworkers can spend Christmas with their families while she keeps everyone safe, so I’ll day Beckett is everything but selfish

          • Emily says:

            Agree with you there JAA. The whole reason she became a cop is because she wanted to protect others from the pain she went through when the detectives on her mother’s case ignored evidence. Over and over again she’s sacrificed her own happiness. She’s not selfish.

          • BB123 says:

            Beckett is overall selfless but can be selfish at times. There was times that she fought about what she feels, what she needed before that her partners might need or feels..
            That’s the beauty of this complicated character

          • Ralph says:

            Then you didn’t hear the discussion about the trip to DC, did you? The last three episodes showed Kate Beckett to be everything that you would not want in a mate from, deceit, lying and yes, kissing another man. Beckett even lied about that when she told Castle that she wouldn’t lie about being kissed when she spent two minutes effectively lying about it. You can say everything you want to JAA, but nothing can justify Beckett’s actions in the last three episodes!

          • JAA says:

            Ralph, Beckett didn’t kiss Vaughn, he tried to kiss her and she pushed him. Then she told Castle about it and he forgave her, just like Beckett forgave Castle for setting up a date with Kristina Coterra, allowing her to mount him and kiss him while wearing a bikini.

          • BB123 says:

            Kate didn’t let te other guy kiss her ! She pushed him.
            ANd Castle didn’t let the other do it. If Castle had been a woman, iand the journalist a man, people would have scream Assault !
            Both of them create a situation that put them in a mess, but that happen after that isn’t their fault.

          • Lou says:

            Ralph, in those three episodes where Beckett is apparently the worst potential partner ever, he’s not exactly a catch. Can we stop with the double standards?

          • Ralph says:

            This is getting old but I’ll try to explain it to all of you star struck Beckett lovers. Again, my evidence starts with the actual video. First Beckett lets Vaughn get close enough to kiss her. Then why Vaughn leans in Beckett leans forward slightly, Vaughn then lightly brushes her lips( yes BG, touches her lips) at which point Beckett pushes him away. BOTH Beckett and Vaughn refer to it as a kiss, with Beckett telling Castle it was a kiss. I have a hard time with people who can’t understand what they actually see and hear. IF you have facts to refute what I said then by all means make your point. If you don’t then keep quiet.

          • Rory says:

            Ralph, what about Cottera? Beckett walked in on a half-naked woman kissing and humping him. I’m sorry, is that acceptable because he’s a man? How is half a kiss which was quickly pushed away worse? Is it because she’s a woman? If so, that’s a very narrow and outdated frame of mind. He could have pushed her away and tried harder to stop it. The fact is, she may have been insistent, but a man is not ruled by his penis, and he could have stopped her if he wanted. Simply saying he was in a relationship would have probably put an end to it. And yes, I know they hadn’t defined it as such at that point in time, but if he really was as devoted to Beckett as he could be, he wouldn’t have let it go onwards. And look, he played the jealousy card a few hours later. Funny that. But what he did is okay, right?

            Yes, Beckett may not have been in the right. Sure, she did let Vaughn get a little too close. Sure, I can accept that. But let’s look at Castle’s behaviour earlier that episode. She tried to seduce her boyfriend and he chose playing a game over making love. That’s not the behaviour of a man who loves his girlfriend. That’s not how you act in that situation. He later was rude and jealous, suggesting she was going to go off and have an affair. And then someone asks her where that particular relationship stands, and she doesn’t know because he hadn’t wanted to discuss it. Okay, yes, she can push the issue, but she hadn’t because of things his ex-wife had said previously. Yeah, two can play at that. So a man caught her in a moment of weakness as she wondered about one of the only things in her life that truly mattered to her and she didn’t step out of the way quick enough. Honestly, it’s a good thing it happened because otherwise Vaughn would have died.

            But Beckett didn’t do anything worse than what Castle did. No. Of course not. what she did was worse.

          • James says:

            Ralph, you’re calling anyone who defends Beckett “star struck Beckett lovers”. There are many people, myself included, who see both the good and bad in both Beckett AND Castle. Neither are perfect and both are at fault with the problems in their relationship. You are putting everything on Beckett, so I guess that makes you a “star struck Castle lover”. Is that right?

          • Ralph says:

            Let’s examine your defense of Beckett. Castle is also putting his life on the line. If you don’t believe that, follow the series and see. The Christmas shift is another prime example of Beckett lying. She was going to put up a lie for a defense buy Castle shut her off by telling her he knew she swapped her shift. Nothing you’ve said will excuse her behavior in the last three episodes. Come back when you have a real case.
            Also, the real reason she became a cop was to find her mother’s killer.

          • c-see says:

            JAA,are you out of your mind?Kate not selfish,are we watching the same show??

          • Ralph says:

            So? Beckett is selfish. The examples you have given would fit many of our finest. Unfortunately Kate Beckett isn’t one of our finest. What episodes do you watch JAA? You had to have missed the last three, where Beckett put on her finest exhibition of unfaithfulness, selfishness, and narcissism. IOW, she is not worth much

      • Squintern says:

        whining? You see, this is why there’s a division in the fandom. It’s idiot comments like this. As a fan, I have a right to not like something. And I have a right to say it. We can’t all be sing campfire songs and preaching love and peace. If something didn’t work, I’m gonna say it. ‘Nuf said!

        • Deedee says:

          LOL, calm down Squintern, stop throwing your toys out of the pram, and read my clarification I wasn’t talking about you – unless of course you’re the sort of fan who only talks about the show to complain virulently about it, in which case, *yes* I was talking about you. I am not trying to take away your right to say anything you want, and I certainly don’t want to sit around a campfire with you (I can’t think of anything worse frankly). All I was trying to say is, some appreciation for the show – it’s a great show, with a real USP, after all – would be nice, not endless whining. Complain about what you don’t like *by all means* (I certainly do), but just don’t complain ad nauseam. If you find that idiotic, well… I don’t know what to say.

    • Jay says:

      Wow really mature of you to say that…the show will have no viewers if your answer to the problems is that..You need think that no one has the same brain..I

    • Ralph says:

      I don’t like the direction in which the writing is going and if 6-1 isn’t a lot better, then I will quit watching the show. As I have said many times I expect 6-1 ti have the highest ratings of the show but if Marlowe doesn’t write much better than he has, I expect there to be a large drop off for 6-2. We’ll just have to wait and see, but there are a lot of people out here who believe that Beckett isn’t a queen and they will be with me.

      • JAA says:

        Bye, don’t let the door hit you

        • Ralph says:

          Gee thanks, coming from you that is an extremely nice compliment. There is nothing I would rather do that leave you and all of your Beckett worshipping friends here but then I wouldn’t be able to have any fun.

          One other thing JAA, if you think that Castle going to France without telling anyone was a bigger lie than Beckett’s, then you don’t know much about parenting. Do you have any children, JAA? You shoot first and ask questions later. I said on another board that Castle couldn’t take Beckett because he didn’t have time for her to pack her cosmetic and shoe bags. While that is tongue-in-check, Beckett would be fired for leaving her post without authorization and if she got in trouble In a foreign country being a NYPD detective would get her fired.

          There is absolutely NO similarity between the two

          • JAA says:

            LOL, you know nothing about the show if you think that Beckett didn’t go to Paris because she would get fired if she went there without authorization. And the way you’re dishing the character and making stereotype jokes about women makes me think you have a problem with Beckett because she’s a woman

          • Ralph says:

            LOL. Since you did that LOL, I thought I would also just to keep up with the Joneses. Castle went to Paris in hurry….a real hurry. He didn’t take Beckett along because he couldn’t wait for her to pack. He was in Paris while the others were blissfully working away in NYC.

          • BB123 says:

            It even more simple than that :
            About Paris : Castle didn’t tink ahead, he didn’t stop to think if he should tell Beckett or not. His sole focus was on getting back Alexis. Everything else was iirrevelant for him.
            About washington : Beckett made the concious choice to not tell Castle.

            And on the topic of lying. Castle always, always lied and hid things to beckett with the her interest at heart (He wanted to resolve the case for her, he was trying to protect her). Beckett lied and hid things from Castle for herself.

            I am not from the ‘anti-beckett” team. But on that one, Beckett screw up. She’s human,it happens, no big deal, she doesn’t deserve to be put under a bus for that. But the fact is, she screw up.

          • femmefan1946 says:

            Or maybe like 70% of Americans she doesn’t have a passport.

      • Kay says:

        You’ve said numerous times here that you think the show will fail and you’re essentially rooting for this to happen. The show won’t miss you if you leave.
        But honestly, I don’t think you will. As a student of literature, I know that the aim of an author is that a text impacts the reader (the same is applied to film and television, text being a tv show in this situation). Sure, a text can have a positive impact on a reader (or viewer), but eliciting a passionate response is seen as positive because it reflects that readers have engaged with the text. The show has clearly had an impact on you and, while you seem to have nothing but negative comments about it, you clearly care. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be commenting repeatedly.

        • c-mo says:

          AWM and company have obviously done their jobs well to have this kind of passionate dialogue between fans! Cheers to the team!

        • Ralph says:

          You’ve said numerous times here that you think the show will fail and you’re essentially rooting for this to happen. The show won’t miss you if you leave.

          { What I’ve said is that if Marlowe doesn’t do any better in 6-1 or point it in the right direction in 6-1, then yes, I an gone. If he doesn’t change the show I do hope it fails. I really don’t have to worry about that because if he doesn’t change it, it will fail.}

          But honestly, I don’t think you will.

          { Then you obviously don’t know me}

          As a student of literature,

          {Here we go again}

          I know that the aim of an author is that a text impacts the reader (the same is applied to film and television, text being a tv show in this situation). Sure, a text can have a positive impact on a reader (or viewer), but eliciting a passionate response is seen as positive because it reflects that readers have engaged with the text

          {So much for your literary skills. I don’t watch horror shows because it elicits a passionate response from me. So passionate that I don’t watch them.

          . The show has clearly had an impact on you and, while you seem to have nothing but negative comments about it, you clearly care. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be commenting repeatedly.

          { Of course I care. I was the biggest Castle fan ever. My wife knows not to bother me on Monday nights at 10PM because I would be watching Castle. I have purchased all episodes of Castle except for four. It is what I do during the summer, watch re-runs. I think that Stana Katic is the prettiest lady on TV. I adored her. I wish I could describe to you how sick I am over the last three episodes of the show. I am so sick over it that I can’t watch most of the shows I have. Make no mistake about it, however, if they don’t correct the direction of the show then I am gone.}

          • joe says:

            I agre with you regarding the last episodes. I think they really made Kate look unlikeable. The episode that doesn’t make sense to me is the Squab and the Quail. This was suppose to air after Still. How does she go from having Castle will to die with her to being tempted to kiss another man( yes she closed her eyes and leaned in only at the last second did she whisper no) Just doesn’t make sense to me.

    • Ralph says:

      It appears there are a lot of “devoted” fans who are bitching. Perhaps it is you who needs to examine your position

    • Ralph says:

      It has been awesome but not in the last three episodes. I am more of a devoted fan than you will ever be. I am not, however, going to look at garbage like the last three episodes. If the writers know what is at stake, why don’t the writers know that Castle is a deadly shot with a pistol?

    • Christine says:

      well if many more turn off there wont be Castle on the air anymore. Its on the bubble of cancelation.

    • Ralph says:

      Thanks for that great advice, Erika. Did it take you long to come up with that? I am a devoted fan and I don’t like the direction in which the show has gone, so I’m going to express my viewpoint and I am not going to say how great it all is.

  9. Lisa says:

    I agree with Fillion’s take on it. I also think AWM had the proposal mapped out from around the end of season three.

    • DarkDefender says:

      I totally agree with you Lisa. The continuity on this show is higher than most every other show on television. I think all involved, actors,writers, producers, creators.. All work very hard to maintain that. I believe there is and has been a master plan. The beauty of this all, is that we are all still talking about it. The conversations keep coming and Watershed aired a month ago. Keep th edentate going, watch next season.. Spread the Castle love! :D

      • DarkDefender says:

        *Keep the debate going.

      • Ralph says:

        People still speak of things which are wrong, but that doesn’t make them right. If there was a master plan, then Marlowe is worse than I thought he was and that says a lot. People will speak of this right up until 6-1, we’ll find out then how Marlowe’s “master plan”, has worked.

    • Mary says:

      I agree with you. Actually, I remember hearing an interview with Marlowe and Stana, around December, about the possibility of Beckett moving higher on her job…

      • Ralph says:

        Yeah, that’s part of the problem, an interview with Katic and Marlowe. Perhaps if Andrew had more interviews along with Nathan, that character would advance as rapidly as Beckett has risen.

        • Mary says:

          Sorry, so now an interview with Stana and Marlowe is a problem?! How do you know there aren´t more interviews with Nathan because he isn´t available?!

  10. Tam says:

    Also people who think that Marlowe doesnt know what he’s doing….look at all the previous seasons. He ALWAYS ALWAYS has a plan and he has one here too. He knows what he’s doing so lets just wait and see how he gives us the resolution to it and then decide.

    • Kim says:

      This is true, but he clearly lost his map along the way this season. It may have been pressure from the network or the media, perhaps pressure to do well in ratings. It may have been pressure he was putting on himself. I’m not sure, but there was certainly many eyes on the show this season with the two finally being together. He started to find his way again towards the end of the season, but the season was uneven and felt like it was trying too hard.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love the show, and will continue to do so.

      • Tam says:

        Honestly people have been way too critical of this season because the expectations were sky high and its impossible to make everyone happy. S5 was uneven because they handled too many issues at once so i agree with that a little. Overall though, i loved loved this season because it was rewarding to watch at least for me (probably because i take what Marlowe offers and dont let my own expectations cloud to much of my judgement)

        • BB123 says:

          Well said Tam.
          I would add that some people confuse the TV Show with fanfictions. I for myself, I never understood the complains about the lack of intimacy or the kisses in the dark. And I adore the running-gag “We’re always interrupted, even by ourselves”. (But I can understand that other don’t share that kind of sense of humor).

        • Squintern says:

          Too critical? This season was flawed beyond words. That’s not critical. That’s being realistic. AWM has backed himself into a corner. He has to find a way out without screwing the pooch.

        • Just one thing says:

          Personally, I didn’t have high expectations because I didn’t quite know what I wanted to see, and I understand the balancing act that must inherently come with making that leap.
          .
          That said, there were some aspects of this season that just did not resonate with me. And my issues were very similar to the reasons that certain aspects of Season Four didn’t resonate with me either.
          .
          In the show’s effort (or network mandate?) to offer standalone episodes, both seasons were filled with far too many uneven filler episodes that sometimes seemed to suspend the characters, the main relationship and the overall story in mid-air.
          .
          And then, like a sudden speeding train, the final conflict required to catapult the characters toward a solid season finale would barrel onward, seemingly out of nowhere, in the final three episodes.
          .
          If you analyze both seasons, even briefly, you see how they are incredibly formulaic.
          .
          Considering how much I like this show (it is the only one I watch live), I absolutely want the best for it as a viewer and as a writer. There are elements to the show that make it wonderfully addictive, due in no small part to the writers.
          .
          But there have been many points where I have walked away from an episode and thought, “Man, if it hasn’t been for the ensemble’s chemistry, I would have changed the channel.”
          .
          All that to say, those of us who complain and kvetch can’t all be categorized or labeled. And I would hope the people associated with the show are open to constructive, intelligent criticism from people outside their inner circle and outside the network. Even if we are just fans.

          • BB123 says:

            When they talked about “‘too criitical” and “whiny” I don’t think they talked about comment like that (that i agree with some points, disagree with others).
            I think they talked about the fans that basically throw tamper tantrum because “the light when they kiss are too dark (and there’s too few kisses)” or “We don’t see them in the same bed enough”.
            Not that I disagree with, it the show being too formulaïc this past two years. Castle has always been this way, it sellls better for syndications and reruns. Fillers where perhaps weaker this season (but that again depends your taste), but it can be said season 1 2 3 as well.

          • Just one thing says:

            I don’t know, BB. I get the impression sometimes that ANY criticism is frowned on by some fans.
            .
            I totally get the syndication reasons. You can see how ABC uses that theory to slot Castle on any night throughout the summer. Totally makes sense. But a show like Greys is going into its 10th season, with a solid number of procedurals AND serialized episodes.
            .
            I just get the impression that Castle is allowed to be less serialized than the others, at the studio and/or network level, compared to other shows on ABC.
            .
            And yes, this formula may have worked well prior to Season Four, but the show essentially took things to another level in both seasons (by shooting Kate and getting them together), which I think totally would have warranted a greater shift in storytelling.
            .
            I guess I just wish Castle was afforded the same storytelling opportunity that some of the other shows are getting by being broken up into two 12-ep halves. At this point, it doesn’t sound like Castle will get to operate like that. And again, who knows? Maybe the Castle folks don’t want to tell concise story arcs in two, shorter episode spans? Maybe they will also be broken up. (I doubt it.)
            .
            I would bet they could do an awesome story or two with the show if they were.

      • Just one thing says:

        I think you may be on to something there. And it may have been as simple as an uncertainty about how a full-on couple would be perceived.
        .
        The ratings were low in the beginning and seemed to pick up later in the season. I’m not sure what that says about the pairing focus, but hopefully the ratings remain OK next season with the new c

      • Just one thing says:

        … New competition… Hopefully they are also able to strike that necessary balance — whatever it is — early on.

        I’m a relatively new iPhone user. And apparently I suck at using it to type and stuff..,

      • Christine says:

        I thought bthe season was great up to Still. Thats when the writers chose to create drama out of nowhere just because they had to . It made no sense and in my view the last 3 episodes were the worst in Castle history.

    • Ralph says:

      Yeah, I saw his plan for the last three episodes and they sucked! Perhaps that is why I don’t share your high opinion of Marlowe.

  11. Leola says:

    I have no doubt the writing staff will do something great. Haven’t disappointed me yet! Can’t wait.

    • Christina says:

      Totally agree! Though sometimes it’s taken them a bit longer to get there than I hoped…

    • Ralph says:

      They disappoint me a lot. For example Castle showed in S1-E-7 that he was a much better shot than Beckett yet time after time we get references to how poor his marksmanship is. In S-5 E-23 Beckett remarks you mean you think you brought down that drone with your marksmanship???
      This occurred several times.

      It should be that all new writers should be required to study all prior episodes to avoid crap like that.

      • Jay says:

        A perfectly still target in a range, one that anyone who has practiced shooting before would have dealt with, and a moving drone cannot be compared.
        Him shooting the target doesn’t prove that he’s a better shot than her. You’ve taken two instances, and claimed that it’s an ongoing pattern. Two murders don’t make a person a serial killer. Three do.

        • Ralph says:

          Well then Jay. let’s see what we can do with that. First of all Beckett was shooting at the same still targets and was nowhere the shot Castle was. As for real life episodes, Castle shot the gun out of the hands of real live people when he saved Agent Shaw, when he and Beckett shot simultaneously in 3-1, 5-5 when he had to shoot when Beckett was the shield…he also put about 8 rounds into the guy, the drone incident. I think there is at least one more but I don’t want to rake the time to get it unless you can’t bet it from the above.

          • KHorn says:

            Ralph, you made my point. The only head to head shooting we’ve seen was Home is Where the Heart Stops were Castle completely out shot Beckett on the range shooting at the same type of target. So she suddenly is a better shot when the target is moving? My complaint with the scene is two fold. First, it’s one of several instances this season with Beckett not just teasing Castle but belitleing him and second the writers are remaking his character to make him complletly inept, when in the past that was clearly not the case.

          • Robert says:

            The writers has sacrificed a lot of things from castle character through the years, it is very sad. why? I don’t know.

  12. Astrid says:

    Very excited to see what the new season will bring!

  13. Tam says:

    Remember when we were all so fired up Rise and how Kate was keeping a secret then too and how its gnna end badly. How we all hated the Limey ep and how Caskett was in the last few epsof s4? Then we got ALWAYS. My point here is that messing things up is nothing new, Marlowe has done it before but he has always given us a satisfying resolution to these mess ups as well. I wish more people would keep that in mind. This whole arc needs resolution before we can fully judge it and that time will come in Sept. I sure of it. So lets keep our minds open, shall we? ;)

  14. Lynn says:

    Oh lets all kick back and enjoy the ride. I laugh to myself at those who say if this or that happens I will never watch the show again! Really? Is there any other tv show that gets this type of reaction to each and every episode? Think about it. Marlow has given us a great 5 years so far, could any of us have written this gem? And what a stellar cast, each and every one. But especially Stana Katic and Nathan Fillion..perfection!What more do you want? lighten up everybody..September will reveal all things!

  15. badpenny says:

    The show’s doing what it’s always done: leaving you with some sort of cliffhanger.
    Season 1: Will they break up because Castle looked into Beckett’s mother’s case?
    Season 2: Castle says he’s leaving for the summer and gets back together with his Ex over jealousy.
    Season 3: Beckett shot. Will she survive and remember him saying those words?
    Season 4: They’re together, finally, will they stay that way? Is it real?
    Season 5: Beckett might leave for a new job and Castle proposes. Yes to one or the other?
    .
    The start of Season 6 will resolve all issues just as the start of every other Season has done.
    .
    As far as the proposal, I don’t think it’s too soon. While they’ve only been having sex for a Season they’ve been dating at least since Season 2. All those burgers at Remy’s and other restaurants, drinks at bars, family meals, movies, and so on have all been subconscious dates. This couple was a couple long before they became an official couple.
    .
    I certainly don’t think it was the most romantic proposal in the world, but Castle laid it all out there. He loves her, and he wants a real life with her, and he’ll stick with her even if she takes the DC job. I mean, how much more can you do to prove you love then to be willing to get blown up with them? :)

  16. Joy says:

    I’m just glad Terri is back full time. She makes Marlowe a better writer and all of her episodes were romantic, we need more of that next season.

  17. CarlagUK says:

    Marlowe is trying to keep the relationship real between these complex characters. For goodness sake, give him some credit and wait and see what happens. Just because things don’t go the way individuals want them to is their problem, not the writers. We all see things differently, I accept and acknowledge that but if you follow a show like this then you should be open minded and accept the rough with the smooth. Just like we do everyday, in real life.

    • Ralph says:

      I’ll give him credit when he earns it. If he screws up 6-1, he won’t have to worry about the show because he’ll be replaced before spring.

      • JAA says:

        LOL you’re deluded

        • Squintern says:

          It’s a very real reality. If the ratings drop because people don’t like the direction, ABC could pull the rug. So it’s not delusion. It’s a very real possibility.

          • Elle says:

            yes, it is a possibility, but it’s unlikely that a show that has maintained relatively steady viewership over 5 seasons to have the ratings drop so low that ABC would drop it. Lose the chance for a seventh season, maybe, but the sixth will be safe. ABC is actually supporting the show now. It’s taken years for that to happen, and they’ve finally submitted the cast and show for emmy consideration.

        • Ralph says:

          Said the man who doesn’t understand the details of life.

      • badpenny says:

        Castle went from a Top 30 show to a Top 20 show this Season. You might not like the direction the show has gone but it went from #28 to #18. Also, Andrew is the creator of the series, not just some random guy they hired to be an EP.

        • Squintern says:

          +7 data skews the ratings.

          • BB123 says:

            But it skews it for all of the 30 others shows involved there. All of them as their +7 data.
            If the +7 data was count only for Castle, I would agree with you that we can take that Top seriously. But since all the shows in that top have their +7 data, then, Castle still in the 20 bests

    • femmefan1946 says:

      Real? C’mon! Two 30+ adults with that much UST hang around every single day for years and never fall into bed? That’s unbelievable. I’ll accept it for the banter, but realistic? This is the 21st century isn’t it?
      And for what it’s worth, here in Canada, Castle has been syndicated on both Showtime and Space (for some reason). Space is running the stories out of order.

    • I think Marlowe will keep coming up with reasons for them not to really be together because he doesn’t have the ability to keep them interesting if they really WERE together as an equal couple. So now they’ll be engaged, but not in the same city. Then when they are both in the same city, I wouldn’t put it past him to have Castle be injured, get amnesia, not remember Beckett at all and revert back to his immature, playboy ways. In a REAL life relationship, no one could be the kind of doormat Marlowe has made Castle to be. It makes me very sad.

      • KHorn says:

        I agree with you 100%. The writers really need to give Castle his backbone back and knock Beckett down several pegs so they can be the equals they were in the first two seasons.

      • Ralph says:

        Amen to that. Too bad that Marlowe is so arrogant or he might see that.

  18. badpenny says:

    I posted this in the other thread but I’ll post it here too.
    .
    Looking at the master rating list for the 2012/2013 Season, Castle came in at #18 with an L+7 rating of 3.0 for the Season. Their L+7 viewership was 13.81 million for the Season.
    .
    Last Season Castle was #28 with an L+7 rating of 3.2 and a viewership of 13.77 million.
    .
    It certainly does not look like the relationship has hurt them in any way, so no Moonlighting curse. Their rating is slightly down from last year, but almost everyone’s is, and Castle moved up from 28th to 18th place for the year.
    .
    Last year they were a Top 30 show. This year they’re a Top 20 show.

    • Squintern says:

      It’s only a top 20 show because of the extra padding given during the week following the original airdate via DVR viewings. advertisers don’t give a rats butt about the week’s worth. they only paty attention to the live.

      • JAA says:

        actually advertisers only care about C+3 ratings not Same Day ratings, and that’s commercial live viewing plus three days of DVR playback and since those numbers aren’t public we’ve no idea how well a show is doing. It’s more, even if twenty million of people watched a show live and its demo was through the roof but they skipped the commercials in the end that show would be canceled.

        • Lou says:

          I know it does nothing for the actual ratings, but the show also has an extremely large international viewership. Ratings of the show in international broadcasts are high. It may not count in the ratings, but international broadcasts still make money for them.

  19. Jon says:

    I don’t think I’ve wanted to scream at so many people so much in my entire life. How is there such a narrow-minded view about Castle’s character and yet some of these same people demand tolerance and understanding for Beckett?

    I’ve said before on this site that Castle’s proposal was calm, measured and thought through, and for Castle that means he’s as serious as hell. Importantly it was also very very real. If you’ve ever proposed, you understand, if you haven’t, come talk to me again when you have. Get over the movie-hype and get real. Please.

    I don’t want to disrespect anyone specifically, so I won’t be commenting again. Suffice to say, I applaud Mr Fillion and wish you all showed him as much respect as you seem to demand for yourselves.

    Goodbye.

  20. Barb says:

    The biggest issue with me with season 5 was that they got together but then it seemed like they didn’t know how to handle them as a couple. The first couple of episodes they kept it in the fore but then it became scattered, having the show become a procedural and removing the key element of show – the Beckett / Castle light banter. Then there were all the ‘themed’ episodes and lastly the serious last three episodes. Overall, the season was not as balanced as it should have been. Hopefully, things will be righted (especially now that the Gates obstacle is a non-issue) and we can get back to some normality. Not sure what Beckett’s answer will be but methinks she has to try out this new job in order for her to realize what really is important in her life. Plus, more importantly, these two have to start communicating which they haven’t done since Meredith’s little whisper in Beckett’s ear.

    • Emily says:

      I agree. I really want her to take the job. I don’t think it’s right for her in any way, but I think that it’s something that she needs to do, especially now that Castle has said ‘whatever you choose’. I hope she takes the job, and that he basically insists on it. It’s something she needs to do, because if she doesn’t, it’s something she will always wonder about.

      I also agree that it felt like they didn’t know what to do with them as a couple. I feel like Probable Cause accelerated the relationship and the entire season from that point on was a waiting game. Some of the theme episodes were great, like Final Frontier, but I felt like there was Esposito overload. The Ryan based episode was something I enjoyed.

      Ideally, the whole thing that happened in season 5 should prompt them to step up and start communicating, but i’m not sure if it will.

      • Ralph says:

        I want her to take it to because that will definitely sink the show.

        • Sarah says:

          You really don’t like this show do you?

          I think the opposite will happen if she takes the job. I think it could be the thing that brings them closer.

          • Deedee says:

            Realistically speaking, the whole NYC/DC split-team thing won’t work for more than an episode or two, but I would be open to Beckett trying out the new job (with Castle’s support – as his proposal already indicates) if only for the reason that, as Emily says, Beckett will never have to wonder about it again, she won’t be left with ‘what ifs’. But I actually don’t think she will go to DC at all, and not because of Castle – I think the interrogation scene in ‘Watershed’ was the point where she decided that the 12th is her ‘home’ and DC isn’t for her. Oh well, guess September will get here soon enough and we’ll find out what they intend to do.

          • Ralph says:

            I don’t like the direction in which it is going……no, I don’t like that. I respect your opinion but Beckett in a job in DC will sink the show, if it goes on for too long.

  21. Bob says:

    The only proposal from Nathan Fillion I care about is the one for SEASON 2 of FIREFLY on Netflix!!!!

    • Sammy says:

      oh you’ll be waiting a long time for that one.

    • BB123 says:

      Even I, that was quite active the movie back in the day, think that is too much.
      Firefly is done, watch dvd, repeats etc, talk about it with other fans on boards, read fanficitions (I have some rec if you’re interested) but move on and enjoys the actors, wriiters and directors in their news shows/movies that are mostly very good.

    • DarkDefender says:

      Alas, but one can dream!

  22. Just one thing says:

    I find it a bit (OK, a lot) disturbing that the lead actor on this show doesn’t know what is coming next.

    It suggests the long-term story decisions (including her response) were either not made or approved by the network before the finale was shot. As a writer, that puts me on edge a bit. Personally. Could be over-thinking it.

    Then again… It is entirely possible they have been keeping the answer a secret to prevent accidental spoilers, as Fillion alluded. I’m hoping that’s the case.

    • Elle says:

      I disagree with you. Andrew Marlowe has a history of maintaining secrecy regarding plot points. Nathan may be a professional, but I can understand Marlowe wanting to keep the plot points as secret as possible. The more people that know, the more risk there is that secrets get out.

      I think that the plot points would definitely been approved by the network. I think the network has been keeping a close eye on the show this season. If Marlowe has made a decision as to the response (and I’m sure he has), he would have had to run it by execs. If he hasn’t come to a decision, it would be because there were a few possibilities in his mind.

      We also have to keep in mind that when filming was completed and Nathan left for Canada, Castle had not been renewed. Sure, we basically knew we were getting season 6, but it wasn’t a sure thing. Also it’s easier for cast to say they don’t know what is happening in the next season and make it believable if they’re telling the truth.

      • Just one thing says:

        I agree with you to an extent. Can’t imagine what I read or where, but got the impressi

      • Just one thing says:

        Grrr… Posted too early…
        .
        I got the impression that many creators had to “pitch” next season’s arc to ABC. Don’t know how normal that is, but I figured even the Castle folks would have to give their arc ideas, likely for network approval.
        .
        It is entirely possible that they had a couple possibilities that were being worked out. I would hope that ABC would offer AWM the same — or at least similar — autonomy that has been extended Shonda Rhimes (considering they are the creators of the two longest-running ABC shows currently on air), but who knows?
        .
        Networks can be fickle, even when they mean well. And I can see this entire arc being regarded by the studio and network with quite a bit of scrutiny — and understandably so.
        .
        We will likely never know how long ago or how mapped out this arc was. But it did strike me as odd that the lead actor didn’t seem to have a clue.

        • Ellie says:

          I don’t think it’s that extraordinary. The Grey’s cast are unaware of their character’s fates, even the week before finales. Reading interviews about a few shows now, many leads don’t know what is going to happen on their shows. Sarah Paulson said she’s not sure if her character is good or evil, or anything about it this season. Crew are back to work to prepare for the new season this week I believe, and the photoshoot for the season is in a few weeks, when filming will begin. Any interviews done in the next few weeks might reveal more.

          I think it’s funny that Nathan is the one who has spoiled repeatedly in the past. Fans are often annoyed at Stana because they believe she gives spoilers, but as far as I know, she’s never spoiled anything that wasn’t clear as day (ie I think she once said Beckett was in love with Castle. Well anyone with eyes could see that years ago). People interpret nathan as not caring about the show when he’s just trying not to reveal anything. He’s really under pressure now.
          The worst with spoilers on the show is Tamala though. I swear every time she does an interview she reveals something.

          • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

            Yes, we like Tamala.

          • Just one thing says:

            LOL (and haha, Matt!) There are times when I read something from her and think, “How does this woman not get in trouble?!” Haha, she seems really nice, though. Really enthusiastic about the show.

    • BB123 says:

      Nathan has a reputation to accidental spoilers (One was with Michael last year or in 2011, in this very website). So iI can imagine everyone saying “DO NOT TELL NATHAN ANYTHING !!!”

      • Just one thing says:

        I guess they are both in danger of spilling! Everyone should watch that TV Guide video Stana did last spring. She literally spoiled the last scene of Always, and somehow managed to save it from being noticeable. Pretty dang funny.
        .
        So I guess I’ve been convinced that even the two main actors are being kept in the dark on purpose. :-P

      • JAA says:

        I would like to know which scene he spoiled for us, please :)

  23. Just one thing says:

    My response was deleted mid-post because I accidentally clicked on one of this site’s intrusive scroll-up ads on mobile devices. I hope there is a way to change that… I really like the site and forum platform.

  24. Teri says:

    Castle is the best acted and written show on TV. Beckett had already turned down the job before she got to the swings…she had her Watershed moment in the interrogation room. She wants more to her life than her job. Hope she says YES, but of course knowing they need to communicate better first.

  25. Mari says:

    I love the show. And Caskett is my favorite tv couple. I trust Marlowe in every decision he makes.

  26. Chris says:

    It’s unlike the original Kate to think she solves all those crimes all by herself–and ugly & selfish of her to plan on dropping her team like they were just stepping stones.

    And that’s what she’s planned to do with Rick too, move on (and blame him for not being able to commit, when she’s a pretty cold fish).
    It says to me that Marlowe doesn’t know how to write them as a couple–they were more together as a pair in the first two years than they are now.

    If this is the way Beckett is going to be, selfish, dishonest and arrogant, then an honest storyline would be her taking her ego to DC and the rest of them getting on with their lives without her. She treats Castle like a doormat, he needs to wise up.

    I don’t know if I am more sad about a show that used to be clever and fun and thrilling becoming brittle and poorly written, or thinking that this is how Marlowe sees women.

    And for those claiming subtext–what gets filmed is all there is.

    • Ralph says:

      Amen Chris, Amen

    • Ellie says:

      Exactly. It’s all there. That’s how we know the subtext is real. It’s plain as day. Honestly, if there wasn’t subtext, people wouldn’t have been calling for the characters to get together from day 1.

  27. Helen says:

    People saying that Beckett wasn’t a likable character in the last 3 episodes,Jeez.
    You see, for me Castle wasn’t likable the whole season either, cold, taking her for granted, I never expected that kind of behavior of a man who was chasing a woman for almost five years!

    when I imagined the season 6, I always thought that Kate will be more close and cold because she wasn’t used to it but the man was crazy for her so I imagined that he will be the affectionate, warm and lovely one and it was the opposite!

    • Rory says:

      I agree with you. Castle’s behaviour this season made me feel like he only wanted what he couldn’t have, and it got me thinking about how Castle has treated Beckett in the past. Think about all the times he was the most interested in her: Demming appeared on the scene and Castle got jealous. Josh, the firefighter as well. Whenever Beckett is seemingly unavailable, Castle wants her more. Even when she got shot in the chest.
      Then they’re together, and they’re fine together, but the novelty wears off and he begins taking her for granted. There was no challenge any more. And look what happened when Castle thought she was off with another man? Look how interested he became then.

    • Just one thing says:

      I really think Stana Katic approached this season with the mindset of selling Beckett’s love for Castle without words. And to me, she really sold it, episode after episode, whether the right words were there or not. From lools to mannerisms and physicality, I believed that Beckett loved Castle and loved being with him.
      .
      For whatever reason, I did not quite get that vibe from Castle. As long as the words were there and the actions were written, I bought it. Beyond that, when it came to small, subtle moments… Unfortunately, not so much.
      .
      Maybe one day I will re-watch the season and look at it from a different perspective.

      • Ellie says:

        This definitely is true. And I believe Nathan has said as such as well. I don’t have the exact quote with me right now, but he was talking about how Castle bringing Beckett coffee is his way of saying I love you. Stana has been extremely clear about her feelings about it all.

      • Ralph says:

        Yeah, and while you are re-watching the season make sure you pay particular attention to the magnificent arc.

  28. BrianR says:

    They should have filmed about a dozen different answers and leaked them all over to build up even more fevered pitch about what her answer will be.

  29. Corkey says:

    It seems to me that Beckett’s Bimbo Brigade has taken over. This broad is ten miles of bad road. She has betrayed Castel(Squab) not owning up to a committed relationship to douchebag right away, allowing dildoe to invade her personal space (when the Kate we knew for 5 seasons and 21 episodes would have nutted the guy), and she was unfaithful to Castle in allowing douchebag to get that close to her in the first place!

    For the Beckett Bimbo Brigade to say anything else tells me that Feminazzis, lesbos, dykes, eunuchs, and other alternative lifestyles have taken over control of our universe. I do NOT use these terms as pejoratives, only as a life style identifier. However, I do NOT want that lifestyle jammed downed my throat as the norm.

    Beckett screwed up, get over it. She needs to apologize and move on. End of story!

    • James says:

      I guess you needed some attention today. A comment like that is made for no other reason than to cause trouble. End of story :)

      • Just one thing says:

        I have said it before, but I’ve read comments on this site and on the show’s main FB page, and there are people who genuinely believe Beckett is Satan’s Mistress for her behavior in the last few episodes.
        .
        They aren’t nearly as brutal or violent as some of the posters here, but they definitely seem to lean in that same “Kate is evil!!1!” direction.
        .
        I’m not sure what can realistically be done to fix that for some people…

        • Ralph says:

          I’m not sure either but the writers had darn well better do it.

          • Just one thing says:

            For some people, unless she kisses the guy’s feet and falls to her knees in everlasting gratitude, it likely won’t be enough.
            .
            Which is kind of scary, but mostly just unfortunate.

          • Ralph says:

            It is unfortunate that you are so prejudiced that you can’t tell what has happened in the last three episodes

        • Christine says:

          Of course Beckett isnt evil but honestly rewatch the last 3 episodes again and tell me if you saw a woman IN LOVE with Castle. Would you treat your man like that if you were trily in love ? I certainly wouldnt , all i saw was a selfish cold woman who disrespted Castle on many levels.
          The writers just went overboard in creating drama and did real damage to Becketts character.

          • c-see says:

            Christine,you understand,its not complicated,kate was totally selfish ,the people that disagree,are simply not objective

    • Ellie says:

      Well someone ate a bowl of discrimination for breakfast. You may have said that you weren’t using the terms as pejoratives, but that doesn’t change what you said, and by saying you don’t want such lifestyles down your throat basically says that. You can’t help being a discriminatory person, that’s just how you are.

      For what it’s worth, without a discussion about the relationship, which Squab clearly established had been absent from the relationship, she honestly didn’t know where she stood. She didn’t know how serious they were. Sure, she loved him, and she wanted no one but him, but she didn’t know whether he felt the same. How could she when he had rejected her sexual advances only that morning. Might I add that it wasn’t the first time in the previous few episodes. Sure, she let him get a little close. That doesn’t mean she did anything wrong. I’ve had guys get in my personal space before and try to kiss me. Does this make me a bad person? I don’t think so. Is it my fault that this has happened to me because I’m a woman? One of the times I was in the early stages of a relationship and a guy got too close to me and tried to make advances. I was able to stop him, but does this make me a cheater? No. It doesn’t. Unwanted sexual assault is, funnily enough, unwanted. I don’t see Beckett’s situation as too different to my own.
      Why should a person who is a victim have to apologise?

      I’m not sure what your point has to do with sexual orientation or feminism. If I had to choose between a homophobic person ruling the world or Ellen Degeneres, I’m sure you can guess who I would choose.

    • JAA says:

      I hope your post is deleted, I do not want homophobic comments jammed down my throat either

  30. Corkey says:

    Oh by the way, since when is “love” defined by a formula? Get over it, Beckett screwed up, BIG TIME, Castle will forgive her.

    For the poster who mentioned earlier about Douchebag kissing her, all they gave to do is review the tape again and hear ‘ol Katie the Saint say , ” he kissed me, it didn’t mean anything to me”.

    What has been missing from that conversation is the famous Castle line of “I’ve been thinking ” usually after a night if cogitation. I’m sure he’ll ask ‘ol Katie the Saint, “how did douchebag get that close to you?” which will prompt the question “why did you let him get that close to you in the first place”?

    Face it Beckett Bimbo Benefactors, you’ve been found out!

    • Ellie says:

      “why did you let him get that close to you in the first place”?
      People ask sexual assault victims that very question. Are they to blame? No. They’re not. Sometimes people get too close. It happens.

      • Just one thing says:

        I don’t think Kate cheated, but I think she definitely let him get too close (for the sake of the plot), which put her at fault. Lame plot point, but absolutely cannot be compared to assault.

        • joe says:

          Yes Kate closed her eyes and leaned in as he kissed her. Only at the last second did she reconsider.

          • Ralph says:

            Exactly Joe, she leaned in to receive the kiss. People who say there was no kiss not only can’t see, they can’t listen.

      • Ralph says:

        Sexual assault has zip to do with this scene. The question is why did she let him get so close. Castle asked that when he first discovered how close they were but then went off on a tangent. If I were writing that scene I would have Castle asking how did he get so close and Beckett would answer the question instead of tap dancing around it. She did a lot of tap dancing in those last three episodes.

        • Just one thing says:

          The same question could have reasonably been asked during the equally preposterous gossip reporter episode earlier in the season. Though that was played for laughs and it was earlier in their relationship, it was still just as bad.
          .
          We could say it is part of their characters. His failings come from ego, and hers from insecurity.
          .
          Those crazy kids…

          • Ralph says:

            I missed this JOT, not sure how but I missed it. As I said in later posts, there is no comparability between the two. Castle certainly didn’t invite Cotera to attempt to rape him. He tried every way he could to escape her other than physical force and a real man doesn’t use physical force on a woman. The conversations between the two were also totally different with Castle fighting and Becckett flirting. Beckett opening up to Vaugfhn like a two bit prostitute?? Letting a stranger kiss her after discussing relationships. Go back and look at the two episodes and tell me where Castle Cotera the slightest excuse to have sex with him.

      • Rick says:

        Beckett is played as a professional cop in fact a Lieutenant Detective a very hard job. Yet with Vaughn who she is brought into protect, she removes her gun and puts it on a desk away from her, has some Champagne, calls him Eric and not Mr. Vaughn (it took a bomb for her to call Castle Rick) allows him to feed her the old line of he doesn’t understand you after 5 years like I do after 5 minutes. Dumb high school girls don’t fall for that any more. But, she after saying she is in a relationship and loves Castle allows him to move into her personal space and kiss her, she gives token resistance and with out the shot through the window (doesn’t pull the shade down when she is protecting against a killer?) would have been in bed in the next minute.
        That is not the Beckett we enjoyed for 4.5 years. The woman in that scene would never been smart and tough enough to reach her rank. As for her relationship part I can not imagine any significant other (male or female) not reacting strongly about her misbehavior and not requiring a heartfelt apology.
        Really bad writing. The next two episodes just reinforce the idea that this not the same story. To me Beckett goes from being a damaged person holding a difficult career while trying to build a relationship and relax and just have fun to a cold woman who thinks lying is a part of a relationship.
        Her motto seems to be never explain, never apologize it’s a sign of weakness. As written in the last 3 shows Castle just opened the way to another failed marriage. She says no and goes to Washington there is no role left for Castle. He can’t hang around the station as one of the boys like those sad retirees who keep coming back to their job where no body has time for them. The AG isn’t going to tell Beckett to bring her boy toy along on investigations unless it turns out the President is a great fan or aliens land and we need Castle’s insight into their psychology. Please go back to the original story.
        The comment that the writers should have to watch the previous shows is very valid. It would seem someone said bring in new writers and take the show in a new direction. Given the shows that open and closed rapidly last TV series we have all these bad writers (relatives?) under contract use them. If 6.1 doesn’t fix this I will just go back to cable and Netflix for my viewing and never know when the show is cancelled.

        • Carolee says:

          Rick, I thinking like you she would not have removed her gun nor have all the window curtain opened. She would not taken a glass of champagne on the job. Yes! Who wrote the last 3 episodes did not know the charactor of Beckett.She would not have lied to Castle She would have told him about the interview. I wonder if they did not tell Nathan the answer to his proposal because people would have prob him for answers and being a true Canadian he would want to please people by letting them know what he is doing and what would happen next. What are the writers doing? They should write episodes to please the viewers and fans.My husband did not like the Big foot episode and won’t let me watch it again. He deleted it off our PVR.Now I have to wait for my DVD’s of Season 5 comes in September.The writers again should write better story lines and make Kate and Richard more loving towards each other like real couples in love .

  31. Jill says:

    I think the show was trying to show how inexperienced Kate is at handling a real adult relationship. Unfortunately it was a little too dramatic, a little too much. I like the idea of what they were trying to do, but it just felt off to me. Obviously Kate is used to doing what she wants, when she wants. She doesn’t seem to get that when you’re in a relationship, the other person’s feelings, thoughts and needs matter. That’s not to say that Castle doesn’t have his own issues since he obviously does. That being said- I think it opens up a lot of interesting storylines for their relationship. I just hope it’s handled a little better.

  32. Deniseg says:

    I think Castle was really quite sweet all season. Sure he made mistakes but he was always asking what he did wrong and saying he was sorry. AWM is always talking about organic writing for the characters but the last 3 episodes seemed rushed and forced unnatural behavior to arrive at the finale.

    • Robert says:

      Castle has been tip toeing around Beckett since the second half of season 3, (2 and half years, I think) I don’t know how he knows when to push or when let her set the pace, he is really in a difficult position, and sadly for him and for beckett he can not read minds.

  33. JET says:

    Just throwing this out there… I’ve loved Castle as a show since the Pilot (I remember the commercials for the Pilot and deciding to watch because I liked what I saw). AM/writers have been on the right path with Castle, Beckett and their relationship this season IMHO. I thoroughly enjoyed the season as a whole and I’m looking forward to new shows in the fall. Again, just throwing some positivity and appreciation out there for this show, the actors/cast and the showrunners :)

  34. Jacob says:

    My guess is that they shot many answers.

    • Ralph says:

      Yes, and given their track record over the last three episodes, all the answers they shot are probably wrong.

  35. Melody says:

    I was sitting her convalescing from some serious neurosurgery reviewing the comments regarding kate, rick and their relationship. I laughed often at the intense response between viewers thus I congratulate Terri, Andrew and their writing staff on keeping the audience engrossed into the caskett affair.

    I for one will go on record and say i enjoyed season 5 and the pacing of their relationship as it did move forward from episode one. They went from visiting his place to his place nearly becoming their place. She went from my drawer to your drawer (aka two feet in). The no of ways she said I love you this season went on in nearly every episode to the intuitive viewer. Anyone remember …I thought I lost you! Kudos to Marlowe, Miller and the cast. I look forward to season 6 and hope Terri and Andrew remember no one has all the answers before we get married. As a matter of 22 years marriage experience indicates, more questions appear after the I do than before and just wait until the babies arrive! Rooting for a great season 6.

  36. Melody – Great post and good luck with the recovery. I read the article and the comments (which kept me more than captivated and alternately laughing ang growling) during therapy today at hospital I too think that Season 5 showed the progression of the relationship with a goodly amount of realism and paced the way many successful couples work their way through them. Also agree with your final comment about relationships after marriage and speak from the vantage point of 35 years – every day can and many times brings with it questions and WHAH moments – but they’re part of the beauty – otherwise there wouldn’t be any surprises and we wouldn’t be astounded! Kudos to Marlowe et al for Season 5 and may Season 6 be even better ;-)

  37. Wdd22 says:

    Beckett let that guy come to close. But Castle also screwed up with Christina Cottera. So for me those two events where the same. Castle screwed up and Beckett screwed up.

    The only thing I didn’t like is that after the Cottera accident Beckett gave Castle a lot of problems. She wanted to go home alone, she even refused to kiss him after that. But when Castle found out about Beckett letting that guy kiss her he practically let it drop immediately when he found out she pushed him away.

    You see that’s what I don’t like. I sometimes have the feeling that if Castle screws up Beckett has the right to be mad at him. But if Beckett screws up Castle doesn’t has the right to be mad at her.

    So while I agree with the people that say what Castle did with Cottera was just as bad as what Beckett did with Vaughn. I didn’t like it Castle got a lot of problems with it and Beckett got off quite easy.

    As for the proposal. I myself would love it if she accepts the ring and says NOT YET and maybe slips it on her chain. And then when they are ready they slip it on her finger. But that’s just what I would like to see.

    • Helen says:

      Well is different because Coterra got to far away and he let her, and Vaughn couldn’t kiss Beckett because she rejected him!

      • BB123 says:

        Actually, he didn’t let her. He was very obvious in the fact he didn’t want it, and even if he said no (I don’t remember if he said the word or not), she was the kind of women that wouldn’t take it seriously.
        And that why I have dislike strongly with this scene. Not really about the jealousy stuff and cheating or not stuff.. But if you think about it and switch the genre – meaning,Castle being a woman, Cottera being a man – you see how much it’s disturbing and nearing sexual assault.
        And If you top that with the fact that, culturally “a man never says no to sex” and couldn’t physically push her away because well you don’t hit women and frankly, If the guy does it, then he will be the one arrested.

      • Ralph says:

        Short of physically abusing her I don’t see how Castle could have stopped her. He would have in some way, but Beckett rode to the rescue on her donkey.

      • Joe says:

        The difference is they were at different points in their relationship. Beckett made such a big deal about hiding their relationship otherwise Castle wouldn’t have even gone on the date. Plus he apologized. Kate tried to hide the fact that they kissed by lying ( again) until she new she couldn’t get away with it. I don’t like how there making her look in the last 3 episodes.

      • Wdd22 says:

        Helen in my opinion what Beckett did with Vaughn was actually maybe a little worser then what Castle did with Cottera.
        And Vaughn definitely did kiss her. Hell she said so herself. He kissed me. She only pushed him away when he did it. But she knew what he was going to do and had the chance to stop him before he did it. But in stead she closes her eyes and gives him better acces. At that moment she wanted it. And then she lies to Castle about it and when he doesn’t believe her she makes the crazy comment about how she is not going to lie to him. Wel saying Vaughn stumbled when he didn’t is lying to me.
        Castle tried to get away from Cottera the moment she walked into his loft. She jumped on him right before Beckett barged in and Castle was trying to push her of him.
        So your comment Helen is in my opinion totally the other way around. Vaughn got to far away and Beckett let him while Castle rejected Cottera. Because I don’t know if you watched that scene but if you didn’t see a kiss between Vaughn and Beckett then we saw a different episode.
        But that’s not my point. In comparison to the trouble Beckett gave Castle about that Cottera accident, Beckett got off way too easy. Tell me if it was the other way around would Beckett and everyone here who thinks Beckett did nothing wrong be so understanding and supporting of Castle. I don’t think so. If he would have done this he wouldn’t have gotten of so easy.

        • KHorn says:

          Wdd22, exactly my thoughts. Also remember the incidents occurred at different points in the relationship. Castle went out with Cottera to further the fiction he and Beckett were both single. Beckett gives in to Vaughn after the secret is out and, worse, after Castle offered to die with her in Still. They also handle themselves differently. As you rightly point out Castle was doing everything possible to avoid Cottera short of taking her out with a punch while Beckett gives Vaughn easier access. Afterwards Castle apologizes, even though he never kissed Cottera, and tried to make amends. Where’s Beckett’s apology? Guess it ended up on the cutting room floor. And people, stop trying to argue that Vaughn didn’t kiss Beckett, as Wdd said, she said it was a kiss. Saying otherwise just makes you look foolish.

        • Rick says:

          There is a lot of talk here about Beckett as a professional women. In the scene with Vaughn she is an on-duty cop. Yet she drinks Champagne and lets Vaughn puts moves on her that wouldn’t fool a 16 year old. i understand you better in one day than Castle does after 5 years. Please. I loved this show for the realism as two damaged people built a relationship. The last three shows fell the coming attractions for Beckett’s new show.

      • Ralph says:

        You need to go back to that episode and see what Castle actually “let her do” I would be interested in what you actually see when you review the episode.

    • Ralph says:

      You need to review 5-2 and tell me how Castle encouraged Christina. Every scene I can see is him trying to get her off of him. There is no encouragement there, unless you wanted him to slap the s h i t out of her. Come to think of it, Castle needs to do that to Beckett, It might knock some sense into her.

    • with Cottera was that phase that noone knew of their relationship and Beckett insisted that in public they would be single persons.
      how the hell this is Castle´s fault?

      • Ralph says:

        I wouldn’t hold my breath for an answer if I were you. Beckett lovers keep insisting the two events were the same and that is a lie.

        • Sally Ramsey says:

          Enough already! In 45 days we find out Beckett’s answer to the proposal, although I think most of us have a pretty good idea from the spoilers. We also will see how the whole DC thread plays out. That is a much weightier question then the EV kiss or CK sticking herself in Castle’s face. There will be a lot of story to chew on. I think we will get to explore both characters more in all their flawed glory. We’ll also get more Ryan, Esposito, Lainie and Alexis, plus the new characters. Time to look forward.

      • Ralph says:

        Why, isn’t it obvious?? To not do so would place the blame right where it belongs, on Beckett, and we know that will never happen.

  38. Ralph says:

    After reviewing Watershed for the umpteenth time, I think that Kate was on her way to meet Rick to tell him that she was going to take the DC job. It is the only thing that explains her comment to Espo and Ryan that she had something to tell them, but there was someone else she had to tell first. The only reason for saying this was so she could tell Castle that she was taking the DC job and after that she could tell E&R that she had taken the job.
    If she was going to stay in her current job, there would be no reason to tell E&R anything. Unless the proposal side tracked her she is going, This is what she told her father, the job was what she wanted.

    • Matt Webb Mitovich says:

      OR… she was turning down the job but feared that word had gotten around the precinct, since Gates knew, and she wanted to calm any fears.

      • Astrid says:

        Yes that’s what I think as well.

      • Allie says:

        I agree Matt. I think she decided she wasn’t going to take the job, but she still felt she owed it to Ryan and Espo to tell them what had been going on. She needed to tell Castle first though. Sure she told her father the job is what she wants, but I think she realized in that room taking that job, leaving her home, would be a decision she couldn’t live with. As Burke told her earlier in the season, “maybe the right choice is the one you can live with”.

      • Jonathan says:

        I got the same feeling as well.
        May I ask, are u giving us spoilers here, Matt?

    • Joe says:

      I agree I think she was going to take the job. Castle put his heart out the line and manned up by proposing. Now ball is in Kate’s court. He doesn’t know what she is going to do whether she turns him down or takes the job he’s put himself out there. Shoe can’t hide behind the I don’t know what he wants anymore.

    • Men says:

      I agree with Ralph completely. But I don’t understand why the desire of Beckett to pass to work of higher level is so bad. The detective shouldn’t wish to become a captain (… general). Why? If Castle loves it (instead of the woman invented for), it has to help it with it, instead of seek to make of it the housewife.
      I hope that my English is understandable.

  39. Ralph says:

    Yep, that sure took away most of Kate’s excuses.

    • Lion says:

      Dude, get a life every one in here is tired of your BS!

      • Ralph says:

        So you don’t think that took away any excuse Kate could make? I also noticed the wonderfully light posts you have made. Run home “Lion”, your Mommy is calling.

        • joe says:

          I agree Ralph. You have been saying what a lot of people have been thinking in regards to the last 3 episodes. It’s not that we dislike Kate it’s the writers have made her look like a selfish, disceitful person.

        • Lion says:

          Dude, aren’t you a lawyer? how can you do your job thinking about fictional characters all day?
          you are too old to be here talking BS the whole day!
          MOVE ON….

          • Ralph says:

            Nope, I’m not a lawyer, I’m a retired CPA and if I chose to I can sit here all day long. Of course, I don’t do that but you have caught me a short medical stay. When you have something worthwhile to say I’ll move on. In the meantime, posting with no direct responses to answers given to you makes you an Internet troll. I’m sure you already knew that.

          • Ralph says:

            Seriously, “Dude”?? How old are you, ten?

  40. Nelmar says:

    I think everyone here is entitled to his/her opinion, I just enjoy reading all comments. I respect all of you people who always take time to debate in a respectful way. I am amazed that we have Castle’s viewers of all ages, what is great for the show. I see girls married for 38, 35, 25, and me 24 years and many others who seem very young (guys and girls), Castle is there for all ages. We all love the series for sure. It is incredible that as soon as a single line is introduced by this page all of us get on board to give opinion, etc… Congratulations to this series, AM, his wife and all who make the series possbile. Looking fwd to season 6, I know we will not be disappointed. Sally, I haven’t seen you posting here yet. You always have very good ideas and kind words to all.

  41. K says:

    Rick castle is no angel or at all innocent. He kept Beckett from digging into her mothers case because he wanted to protect her because he simply loves her. Castle in the squab and the quail treated Beckett poorly. He was more into his video games than Kate Beckett wearing the blue shirt looking all sexy. Also in that episode Rick took advantage of Kate. Everything Vaughn said to Kate she wanted to hear from castle himself. In a way I almost feel like castle was the reason Kate interviewed for that job in Washington DC. At the end of the squab Kate asked Rick where they were going in their relationship and Rick simply deflected the question. In watershed Rick also avoids talking with Alexis about her Costa Rica trip by focusing on his book cover.
    Kate is a flawed character that what makes her so amazing and complex. It wasn’t the job interview that bothered Rick what bothered him was that she didn’t consider his feelings at all or their relationship when taking the job interview. It was just a job interview and Kate wasn’t so confident that she would even get the job. As for the proposal I think Beckett is going to say yes simply because she knows deep in her heart that she truly wants a future with Rick. If Kate says no well that would be going backwards. Oh this is all coming from a 20 year old.

    • Wdd22 says:

      Yeah he made a mistake in the squab and the quail. But please we also shouldn’t overreact it. So he choosed a video game over sex ONCE. Did he handle it right, no of course not. But to immediately say that he is taking her for granted because of that is pretty overreacting. And how did Castle took advantage of Kate in that episode? And Castle has told and showed her how extraordinary and remarkable she is for five years. Suddenly she needs to hear the words from some playboy. She needs to hear she is good at her job. When has she ever said Castle was a good writer or wrote a good book because I can’t remember. Actually I think he got a better compliment from Gates about his book then from Beckett.
      I found Beckett overreacting in the squab. The fact that when Vaughn asked her if it was serious and she couldn’t answer that is also her fault. Because before the Vaughn case she never talked about it too.
      But I find it crazy that when your boyfriend is willing to die with you a few weeks before and is willing to leave his daughter behind that a few weeks later you think he is taking you for granted. In my opinion choosing a video game over sex ONCE doesn’t immediately mean that you are taking someone for granted.
      And about that question she asked. One: she asked it on a totally wrong time. Right when your boyfriend wants to make up to you and is thinking about sex is not the best moment. Plus how many times has Beckett deflected a question over the years, The difference is that when she did that Castle pushed her and kept asking until she answered. Beckett asks him once and then she never asks again. Before the Vaughn case Castle couldn’t have known she wants to talk about moving forward. And Castle didn’t do that because he is scared. In the past it was always Kate who hold them back and who runned away if things got too serious.
      What I don’t like is that a lot of people blame Castle for not opening up or not being ready to talk about things. She got four years to open up to him and now they are expecting Castle to do that in a year.
      So yes they are both at fault. Because I am not defending Castle here. Because he made a lot of mistakes. But saying he is taking her for granted because of that video game is in my opinion not true. If Beckett so easily forget with Vaughn everything Castle did for her (things Vaughn would never do) I got the feeling Beckett was taking Castle for granted especially in the finale.

      • Christine says:

        spot on … lets be honest here. If you rewatch the last 3 episodes you can clearly see how in love Castle is . Every fiber of him loves Beckett. Did you see anything even remotly resembling love from Beckett. I wathced them like 3.4 times and i just cant see it. All i see is this coldness and selfishness and it just makes me sad because Castle deserves more after all he has done and shown her.,

        • Lion says:

          Well I saw the same thing from Castle the whole season so.. She deserves better too!

          • Christine says:

            Are you joking ? Castle did nothing but love her and even was willing to DIE for her in “Still”. What more can a man show ? Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

          • BB123 says:

            Let it go, this is just someone clearly unhappy that Kate is out of her screw-up and has no other defense than the very mature “he did it first!”

          • Lion says:

            But love her end treat her cold and being insipid to her the whole season that’s not make any sense to you because all you wanna do is criticize Kate..

          • Christine says:

            well i didnt understand a word of what you are trying to say …. but if you mean that i want to critisize Beckett then hell yes i want to critisize her behaviour. It was cold and selfish and didnt show any love at all for Castle. No one is saying that Castle is perfect , he is and always will be a man child but never had i any doubts about his intentions and his love for Kate or anyone else in his family.

          • joe says:

            The writers have made her to look sneeky,dishonest and selfish. You could tell in the last episode by her body language that she knew she was doing something wrong by hiding and lying about the interview. They have made her look bad and I don’t like it because I think she really is a good person.

          • Christine says:

            i totally agree .. Beckett was always a cool funny person . I Thats why i hated the last 3 episodes so much. It just was out of character for her to be so sneaky and cold.

          • Ralph says:

            “But love her end treat her cold and being insipid to her the whole season that’s not make any sense to you because all you wanna do is criticize Kate..”

            Lion, I hate to be critical, but could you parse this sentence for me. I still don’t understand it.

          • Ralph says:

            You did? To which qualities do you refer? Examples would help.

          • Ralph says:

            Hey Dude, generalities don’t count. Why don’t you enumerate those instances with Castle and I’ll take Beckett and see if that is the ‘same thing’. Again, how old are you, ten??

        • Marie Larsson says:

          I see a lot of love from Beckett, not only in the last 3 episode but in every episode. Even the very first one. I see a lot of other things as well: annoyance, impatience etc etc. But I really do see a whole lot of love. And see that in Castle as well.
          Having said this I didn’t like the last couple of episodes at all. Bad writiing to say the least. Sure, the got shown out of order but even if they had been shown in the order they were meant they wouldn’t have made sense to me.
          Both these very flawed people have insecurities and a selfishenss attached to them. That is one of the things that makes the mboth so interesting and believable. it’s also very frustrating for us fans to see their characteristics getting all mixed by writers who doesn’t pay attention to the details as “obssesive” ;) fans does.

      • KHorn says:

        Wdd, I’m really not stalking you, but you’re posting a lot of thoughts similar to mine. Castle is flawed such as letting his imagination get the better of him and tends to make the simplest things (like giving a Valentine’s day present) overly complicated, but neglecting Beckett? Seriously folks, other than the one video game incident, give me concrete examples. As Wdd said, if that’s all you got, you really got nothing. Castle still brings her the morning coffee (one of their special gestures), makes little gestures of affection (like the coffee art), takes her for a romantic weekend at his amazing place in the Hamptons, takes her on a ski trip, was going to take her to Bali before he broke his leg, and offered to take her some place safe if she needed it. All I can say is I wish someone would take me for granted like that. Then of course there’s the whole willing to die with you thing. I know I’d do that for all the people I DON’T care about.

        So yes, I see Beckett as unconscionably selfish and disrespectful in the final awful arc, but it’s not that I hate Beckett; I hate how the writers changed her. Look at the Christmas episode. Castle wants her to join him and his family for their traditional Christmas Eve dinner and she wants to follow her tradition of working the Christmas shift. She volunteers for it and then lies to Castle about not having a choice. Now several people have used this as just another example of Beckett the inveterate liar, but (before the last three episodes) I wouldn’t agree. Yes she did lie to him, but I think it was understandable. Her memories of the season are not happy ones, she knows that makes her unusual, so she wanted to keep her tradition to avoid the pain, but also didn’t want to hurt Castle’s feelings with an outright rejection. As is inevitable the truth comes out and Castle, while upset, is willing to listen. As soon as she explains herself, he is completely understanding and forgiving and it is clear he is not disappointed in her at all, in fact he clearly feels closer to her, though I’m sure he’ll miss her at dinner. Then they both, independently, come to the realization that for a relationship to work you need to make some adjustments to the needs of your partner, and they both leave their usual celebration to be together. This was what I saw in the first part of the season, they hit the usual rough patches of a couple getting together, questions about former lovers, how do we fit together, what was your life like before we met, and they resolve any tension or issues and move closer together. That arc had a perfect ending in Still. Then we get this lousy three episode arc where Beckett is suddenly taking the first step on an affair, lying about major life changes and decided she wanted a job (one that as I’ve said elsewhere does not fit her personality at all) over the man that just a year ago was all she wanted. Sorry, this is ham handedly written conflict that is in no way organic to the relationship we saw before. That’s just bad writing as its worst.

  42. castlelover says:

    How about we all just relax and enjoy seasons 1-4 on TNT and the season 5 reruns when they’re on ABC, as we patiently await the season 6 premiere in September? The reason we all love Castle is due to the great writers, and the extraordinary acting of the cast. Let’s continue to leave the show in their capable hands, and put all of these silly debates aside! I know I’ll watch every episode next season over and over, just like I have since the series’ beginning. Let’s all just put our energy into bringing even more dedicated viewers onboard and enjoy the ride!

    • Nelmar says:

      Excellent words, castlelover, season 6 should be great.
      I am watching TNT all the time, the characters and stories are just awesome. I haven’t seen too many reruns of season 5 on ABC, they seemed also to repeat some episodes of the other seasons, unless I am missing it.
      Anyway, I kind think that all characters have a little guilt for their behavior, also in relationships, each one finds itself right, so they both do wrong for that, it is very hard for some people to really realize that they made mistake, it is easier to try to put the blame on the other partner. I believe both characters had problems in moving the relationship fwd, in season 5, that’s my point, but it doesn’t mean that they do not love each other. I felt that Beckett’s behavior with Vaughn was a little bit odd, not criticizing it, but for me it was. Sometimes it is easy for couples to forgive his/her partners’ behaviors, but when it comes to fidelity it can be harder to forgive and forget, Not that Kate had been unfaithful, but, even though her little something with Vaughn wasn’t too normal for many, Castle still did his best to overcome it, so it shows love. He proposed. Please, people, don’t be mad at me for saying it, that’s just how I feel. Caskett make a great couple so they will figure it out in season 6, I HOPE :) Best show on tv. and, I should say, I am not a young girl, i have seen a lot of tv shows…Castle is my favorite of all times.

      • Christine says:

        It will only be a great season if they repair the damage done to their lead actress. Right now the fan base is in a bit of uproar about the terible writing of the last 3 eps. It didnt really make sense that Beckett would act the way she did . It was off and there was real damage done to the perception of the relationship. Now many see it as one sided and that Castle is waaay more invested than Beckett. Thats the reason i dont really care what she answers i only hope the writers can repair the damage they have done.

        • joe says:

          I agree. When Castle screws up( and he does) we all know it. He has to grovel and ask for forgiveness and try and make it up to her(ie. Significant Others) The writers are letting Kate get away with behavior that doesn’t make sense if you are in a relationship. All she would have had to do is tell Castle that she wanted to interview just to see if she had what it takes. If Castle would’ve had a problem with that then I would be all over him for being selfish. You are right they need to repair the damage they have done to Kate’s character.

  43. Ralph says:

    By creating such an uproar on the last three episodes of Castle, Andrew has bitten off more than his ego can fulfill.

    Having watched and purchased Castle episodes for the last five seasons, I can truly say that Andrew has turned this once great show into Kate a Beckett love-fest. Kate can do no wrong and thus she walks all over the poor man named Castle, who has been turned into a doofus by the writers. Being both arrogant and ignorant, Marlowe has no sense of the uproar by many of his hard core fans. I seriously doubt that he will be able to turn the Titanic in one episode but he had better work hard at it. As a good friend of mine once said about someone,”he’s so dumb that he doesn’t even suspect anything”.

    • joe says:

      Yes they have made Castle look stupid. He’s not as funny he just looks pathetic and stupid. They need to get back to the give and take. At least he stood up for himself when he found the boarding pass. Kate really looked bad in that scene.

      • Ralph says:

        That scene is the only part of Watershed that I will watch. It is one time that Castle stood his ground and what was Kate’s reaction??? She gets really angry. Let’s go over this again, slowly this time so that even Lion can understand. Castle discovers Beckett hid her job hunting trip from him. He confronts her and she acts indignant and is mad at Castle???? Wow, what a wonderful caring person she is. The scene where she talks back to Castle is so preposterous it even has Castle cocking his head in disbelief.

        That covers Watershed.

    • Sally Ramsey says:

      Kate is as she has always been. She loved Castle even before she met him as a fan of his books, but she would never admit it. She’s always been a tease. She has always made things about her life. But she has also been there for Castle, whether it was deliberately losing a bet or covering his back with Slaughter or supporting him after the Damien Westlake incident. She is a very flawed character. Sometimes that is infuriating for us. It is frustrating for Castle. Castle is flawed too. He can be very immature. Alexis and Martha are his saving graces. They put him in a place where it is clear that he will give all for them, as he has for Beckett. While the flaws of the characters cause us much consternation, they also create interest. Perfect people are boring and impossible to relate to. I think we have seen way more growth in Castle as a human being than we have in Beckett. That is something that AWM will have to catch up. I think he can do that. He shouldn’t do it too fast, even if he frustrates us. He has to save something for sweeps.

      • Ralph says:

        I agree Sally, but I don’t think he will have the time. I really can’t take a number of episodes while Marlowe attempts to turn the Titanic.

  44. Ralph says:

    I just watched 3-11, Nikki Heat”. In this episode the selfish side of Beckett rises to the occasion. When Nikki Heat throws herself at Castle, he turns her down( how about that Beckett lovers). Now why should Beckett get angry at Castle, even if he had slept with her. Beckett has Dr. Motorcycle Boy. What does she want to do, corner the market in eligible bachelors?

    • Wdd22 says:

      Exactly. You know but this is what I am mad about. Beckett can do anything and everyone from Marlowe to a lot of people here say she does nothing wrong. Then Castle does EXACTLY the same and he gets full blame from Marlowe and a lot of people here.

      I read a few comments back. Someone said Castle only wanted her when someone else wanted her. HELLO? Beckett does exactly the same. She doesn’t want to be known as his girlfriend in season 2, but then when he goes out with another woman she is jealous and needs to have a date with a fireman. Beckett already has a boyfriend, someone wants to sleep with Castle (Nathalie Rhodes) and she gets mad and jealous. What does she care who Castle sleeps with when she has a boyfriend? She is not ready to date Castle but when Serena Kaye wants him she acts jealous while he had every right to go out with her. Hell even Martha said that.

      I am not saying I think their the behaviour from both Castle and Beckett is oke. But I hate it when people blame Castle for that behaviour and when Beckett does exactly the same they say it’s all oke.
      Again I am not defending Castle. He makes a lot of mistakes but Beckett does too. The thing I don’t like is that when Castle makes mistakes he practically needs to beg on his knees for forgivness according to Marlowe and some people, but when Beckett makes the exact same mistakes she gets away with it without even an I am sorry.
      Over the seasons I got the feeling Marlowe has a favourite character and that’s Beckett. Hell the show could be better called Beckett then Castle. Because everyone has to agree that the main storylines are all about Beckett. Especially the seasons openings and finales. Beckett’s mothers murder, Beckett getting shot, Beckett having PTSD, Beckett going after her sniper, the conspiracy against Beckett with Bracken and now Beckett getting another job. The show is called Castle. I seriously hope that next season they will once and for all close that Senator Bracken storyline and focus more on Castle.

      • Ralph says:

        You know, I wonder about that. I want to say that I have absolutely nothing to support my assertion, but it appears that Andrew and Stana make appearances together and the men here. I’m sure, will agree that she is prettier than Nathan.

        Like I said, nothing but speculation, but there is something that is not quite right in Denmark(with apologies to the Danes).

        • Marie Larsson says:

          You know the insinuation that you are making here is not a very nice one but you ARE correct about one thing; Stana is way prettier than Nathan!

      • c-see says:

        wdd22,you very objectively described the show castle ;if one objects to what you just said ,they have a agenda!

    • Lion says:

      So did Castle inviting Beckett to the Hamptons knowing that she was already dating Demming?

      • Ralph says:

        Were they “going steady”, you GDF?

      • Wdd22 says:

        Yes Lion that was wrong too. But that’s what I mean. Castle does that and Beckett does exactly the same. They are both a fault. Beckett wants Castle when someone else wants him. Castle wants Beckett when someone else wants her. Exactly the same.
        However a lot of people here blame Castle for doing that but when Beckett does it it’s oke. And that’s what I don’t like. You can’t only blame Castle for wanting her when someone else wants her while Beckett does exactly the same. Then you need to blame and put the fault at both of them if you are being fair.

        • BB123 says:

          I saw that back in season 3. Everyone was all “but he didn’t call all summer”.
          And I was like “but…she didn’t call either…if she wanted to talk to him why didn’t she call”.
          And they said “But he was wth GINA”
          And I was like “Yeah, but Castle bilieved that she was with Demming”.
          And then I was called a Beckett-hater…

          • Wdd22 says:

            You know another example.
            Castle doesn’t call for a few months and everyone gives him a cold sholder for a whole episode. Beckett, Esposito, Ryan and Lanie.
            Then Beckett doesn’t call for three months before season 4 and Castle forgives her in the beginning of the episode and Esposito, Ryan and Lanie are not mad at all.
            And that’s what I mean. Castle does something and he gets hell and back for it. Beckett does exactly the same thing and she gets away with it.

          • BB123 says:

            Hmm To be fair, Beckett had at least the excuse that she was shot right in the heart, on top of losing a father figure. So yeah, I can understand her not calling all summer.
            But then again, Why Lanie, Esposito or Ryan didn’t call themselves ???
            Castle I understand why, she said to him to wait for her call.
            But why other didn’t called ? If my best friend were shot and she doesn’t contact me for a while, you can bet that I wil call myself…then hunt her down when she doesn’t answer. I can understand needing space and leaving people to their space. But in this situation an “I am stiill alive” text once in a while would be all I ask.

          • Ralph says:

            You must have been on the ABC board when you were called a “Beckett hater”. The opener is S3 ignored all rules of common sense. When Castle left he said he would be back in the fall. The last time I checked the fall lasts three months.

            You were also right in that when Castle left to go to The Hampton’s, Beckett and Demming were getting it on in the 12th precinct, so what incentive would he have to come back? Ryan was right when he told Beckett to call Castle. I can tell you that if I would have left under the same circumstances as Castle, Beckett would still be waiting for a call.

            When Beckett called Castle in Watershed and said we need to talk, I would have been tempted to say, about what?

            By the way, when you are called a “Beckett hater”, that usually means you have stepped on some the toes of some female.

  45. Christine says:

    Beckett always had that flair of arrogance or superiority over Castle .. thats was still ok for me when i knew that it was just part of their “thing”, Now she openly displays these traits and i know its not part of that thing anymore.
    Caste is made to look like a fool and a doormatt and superstar Beckett needs higher goals than to stay with pathetic goofy stupid Castle. Thats how i felt those last 3 Episodes and it just made me angry.
    We all know Castle is a bit of a man child but isnt that why people just adore him ? They know when it counts that they always can depend on him. Beckett has turned her back on him a number of times and now with this job, the lying , the almost cheating with Vaugh ( yes i call it that , she let him in waaay to close to fast ) and her disrespect of him just make her look bad.

  46. Beate says:

    Wow I am impressed Castlefans are arguing which lead character from their favorite show Is more hateable he or she . I would call that a pretty creative discussion and I am sure Mr.
    Marlowe appreciate every help he can get .

    • Ralph says:

      From the last three episodes of Castle, I’m sure that Mr. Marlowe needs all of the help he can get. The first thing he needs to do is to know his fan base. He seems to have lost his way.

    • Ralph says:

      Mr. Marlowe is too arrogant to read this board, much less take any help from the board.

  47. joe says:

    I forced myself to watch Watershed again just to see if I was missing anything or if I was over reacting to things. Kate looks like a nervous guilt ridden person through out the whole show. The scene where Castle calls her out makes me so mad. She was so selfish. He was right what does that say about us. Martha was right this is who she is. Kate’s dad was right when she gets scared she runs and hides. I can’t believe Castle proposed if it was me I would have been gone. Even if she is hot the way they’re making her out to be is very unattractive.

    • Ralph says:

      Exactly Joe. The only thing that is gong to be worse is when Marlowe greases an escape route for Beckett, who deserves to have her a** kicked, instead of having an escape route.

    • Wdd22 says:

      You see I can understand she is scared of moving forward and getting serious and running away when things become to serious. Actually I could understand this from her until Still. Because that’s who she is. She has always been the one that hold them back, especially in season 4. Castle is not a mind reader and can’t now she suddenly wants to talk about the future. He is scared she will run away because that’s what she did in the past.
      But I could understand she was scared about that until Still. After Still she has been whining to everyone that things are not serious, that they are not moving forward and doing a dance. To Vaughn, to Lanie, to her Dad. So after her whining about not moving forward she can basically only accept the proposal or say not yet because we aren’t ready and then propose to him herself. But a downright no would be unrealistic. Because then she looses all the right to whine about not moving forward.
      That’s what I found so weird. She blames Castle the last three episodes that they are not talking about moving forward. But then in the finale she wants to take the job because she is scared of moving forward as her dad pointed out. Huh? So she blames Castle for not moving forward, but when he offers her a unconditional future she will get scared and run away?
      Because somehow I get the feeling that’s what she will do after the proposal in season 6. She wanted to tell him that she doesn’t take the job, but I have a feeling that with the proposal she gets scared and takes it. And then of course she will come back and Castle wil forgive her immediately again. At least if Marlowe keeps doing what he did I think it will go like this. I hope not.
      I actually hope that she will say not yet, and then later she will propose to him. Then she can prove her love to him. Because I think Beckett doesn’t deserve it that Castle goes down on one knee more then once for her.

      • joe says:

        I agree. I think she really has to prove her love to him. I don’t see how he can even trust her anymore.

        • BB123 says:

          I don’t think she has to prove her love. But I do think she has to prove her commitment to him and their relationship.
          And for god sake show him that he can feel confortable to bring up anything and she’ll listen and consider and won’t run away.

  48. joe says:

    Marlow really made a point to make Castle look like big goof. Especially the last 3 episodes but even some of the others. It was like he was no help on the cases just wild theories that were’nt even funny. I know he has always had a wild immagination and wild theories but at least they were in context and funny. He was cocky and liked to have fun but he was always helpful and came through in the clutch. Now it’s like he’s just there to be made fun of and bring Kate coffee. If things don’t change dramatically I will lose interest in this show. It’s a shame because I’ve watched it from the beginning.

    • Wdd22 says:

      You see this is so true. But that’s what I meant in a previous post. Marlowe has a favourite character and that’s Beckett. So everything is about Beckett. Her character has the main storylines in the show.
      But because Marlowe is focusing so much on Beckett that he neglects Castle. The name of the show is Castle. But the main storylines are about Beckett. Name me one season opening or finale in which the main storyline is about Castle, and really the main storyline, besides the pilot. Because I can’t think of one.

      • KHorn says:

        Wdd22, you are right, there has not been one that focuses on him. I’d elaborate on how the writers have diminished Castle. In the first couple of seasons he’s a cocky, spoiled rich guy, but he’s also a crack shot, has contacts everywhere, is shown to have a very keen insight into human psychology, is very observant and shows a wide forensic knowledge. He’s shown to be quite suave and sophisticated and moves well in different social strata (he has his mobster friends, his uptown political friends and his bestseller buddies). Then in Season three onward they start making him into a clumsy out of his depth dufus. They have him all clumsy and uncomfortable in a nightclub, he goes from tongue in cheek over the top theories just to bug Beckett to naïve belief, goes from cool under fire to a bumbling wuss, gives as good as he gets from Beckett, but now is just the target for her really mean spirited barbs and in HF were told he’s a poor marksman when in fact he’s a much better shot then she is (at least as we’ve been shown).

        Beckett meanwhile has gone from a highly respected detective who was socially awkward to this amazingly composed superwoman who is now the most sophisticated babe in town and the awe of all federal and local alike. So yeah, they’ve definitely picked a favorite and it’s definitely not the title character.

        • Ralph says:

          If you really want to see how far Castle has fallen look at S3E10–Last Call. Castle is a real ‘person’, not some ignorant doofus. Of course, this is one of my favorite eps.

        • joe says:

          Wow you’re right Castle has really fallen. Marlow better get his act together and let the star of the show be the star.

        • Deedee says:

          I have to agree.. I hate to see anyone, male or female, taken for granted in a partnership and made to look like the ‘lesser’ partner… I really dislike the patronizing attitude towards Castle in more recent seasons. In earlier seasons, they were equals, but now it seems like Beckett is the ‘star of the show’ and Castle her silly, goofy, clueless sidekick, the guy that’s tolerated just for kicks. I hope they even things out more in Season 6 and give us a more balanced view of the strong, dynamic ‘Caskett’ we know and love.

      • Ralph says:

        As I said, why do you think Marlowe has a favorite? Five will get you ten that this wouldn’t have happened if, say Joan Rivers was the female lead:-))).

  49. I really need some scoop! I think next season will start with beckett already on FBI, and they both heartbroken wishing moving on.
    In the end of the episode or in the second pherhaps kate will come back because she’ll realise that life is too short to waste our betterhalf… i just cant wait to have my babys back! :)

    • Wdd22 says:

      Yeah and Marlowe will probably let Beckett expect Castle will forgive her right away. And Castle probably will. Because Beckett can do anything and Castle keeps forgiving her without hesistation.
      Well I am sorry but if your scenario happens, then I think about it to stop watching the show. Not only did she then choosed the job over him, she suddenly realises she doesn’t like it in DC and wants Castle back and she will come back to Castle. But you see in this scenario it’s all about her. SHE goes to DC. SHE doesn’t like it in DC. SHE misses Castle. SHE wants Castle back. But how about what Castle wants. Because after everything she did in the last three episoded and then she would still leave me for the job even for one episode, I wouldn’t forgive her.
      In my opinion season 6 needs to start immediately with Beckett starting to make things right and fight for their relationship not making things even worser.
      In my personal, and now personal opinion if Beckett takes the job and leaves Castle in NY while he definitely said he would go with her, then I would never forgive her if I was Castle.
      Their are a lot of scenarios possible, but if this is the only one that will me make stop watching the show.
      No if they really want her to try the job then she should at least take Castle with her and then come back together. That would be oke.

      • KHorn says:

        I agree with you on about what happens if they have her leave Castle in New York. I’m afraid I disagree that anything can work if she goes to DC with Castle. If she goes to DC the relationship has to end, or the show will have lost any foothold in reality. Yes Castle agreed to support her no matter what (in keeping with the doormat they’ve made him into), but that’s not enough. As Beckett herself mentioned the job will leave no time for anyone else. So what is Castle supposed to do? Sit in an apartment, while she jets around the world and country doing shady things, waiting for the occasional phone call that says “I can’t tell you where I am, what I’m doing or when I’m back in town but just wanted to say hi. Bye now, love you bunches and remember you can’t call me at work?” Based on what we saw of Stack, the douche she interviewed with and her own description of the job’s demands, that’s the only “relationship” they’ll have. Given that she’s already shown there’s no reason to trust her, this kind of job can hardly improve on that. I think the only path left open to Marlowe & Co. (now that they decided to go into this swamp) is for her to say no to the job (illogical based on what she said to the boys, but so was the whole episode) and not yet on the proposal. IF they really want to redeem the two leads, at that point Castle should ream her a new one and storm off letting her know she shouldn’t call until she’s ready to act like an adult. The next few episodes should then show her learning to regret how she’s been so selfish, which should include some harsh blowback from her friends, especially Lanie, and then show her truly contrite and working to show Castle she’s changed. I’m not hopeful , however, because the writers have clearly decided that Castle’s flaws are unforgivable, but Beckett’s are just delightful character traits, so I’m guessing we’ll continue to get Beckett the self centered, emasculating b*tch and Castle the spineless puppy.

        • joe says:

          Wow you are angry. I don’t blame you. What Marlowe has done to Castle’s character is a travesty Becketts too for that matter. It is such a shame to see how far Castle has fallen. The last episodes he looked tired and uninspired. They don’t even look like they fit together as a couple anymore. We need the old Castle back who was cool , funny insightful and loyal.

          • Samuel says:

            I agree, they have twisted Castle a bit that he is not the same as we knew. Castle should have man up himself in season 6.

        • Christine says:

          I 100% back this fabolous rant !

          • KHorn says:

            As I feel I have to keep stating, my frustration is from what they did to the characters in the last three episodes, especially Beckett. I’ve been mildly irritated for a while with how the last couple of seasons have made Castle too goofy and Beckett too self assured outside the job, but they were the minor complaints with any show. This season started off really well, I thought, so I’m probably overreacting because the final arc was such a slap in the face. Why is there any doubt about Castle’s commitment after Still? Just the lack of a ring? Is Beckett an intelligent, capable 21st century woman, or a Victorian debutante? Beckett is the voice of the victim, but now she desperately wants a job where one of her main tasks will be to keep government wrong doing out of the public eye? She wants someone who will be there with her and they can dive into it together, she finds that in Castle, but now she’s all about the career? Martha and Castle both state she will always lie and keep secrets (which is actually not what they were showing earlier in the season), he has to scratch and fight to be let into any part of her life so obviously what you need to do is marry her? Seriously writers, get a better brand of tequila. The stuff you’re drinking is rotting your brains.

      • Yes i agree with all you said. The true is, although i’m saying they will eventually be together in the end of the episode, it’s not what i want to happen..
        In my opinion they should break up for a while during this season, because probably castle will have on more season…
        So, what I think it would be nice to happen, is Castle start to work with another detective that would replace beckett in the precint. Then kate be back, and will realise that she lost her love and will have to conquer him again.. and then season 6 finale they would be together again and season 7 could be the happy road for the happy ending.

        sorry for bad english, btw, but is not my main language =)

  50. Ralph says:

    Agree. This would be a one show scenario. As I have said previously, I am beginning to think Katic and Marlowe have a warm relationship.

    • Just one thing says:

      Oh, wow. Congratulations for losing all credibility. O.o

      • Ralph says:

        As I said, it would answer a lot of questions. Especially the big question of why Castle has been downgraded to Kate’s lackey in the last three episodes.

      • Ralph says:

        Still waiting for your more logical answer. You don’t think that favoritism isn’t shown in their episodes or anything else in the world as far as that goes, Now, why would Andrew show favoritism toward one of his characters? The above is a perfectly valid answer and is so far, much better than anything you have put forth.

        • Just one thing says:

          I probably shouldn’t even bother, but here is one very simple and logical response that has very little to do with the EP or the actors:
          .
          Castle airs on a VERY female-leaning network where 99% of their shows feature female leads driving the story. Castle is the title character and Nathan Fillion will always have the star power. But the Beckett character is pretty popular in her own right, and has managed to resonate with audiences in different ways over the years.
          .
          When you consider ABC’s brand (despite their attempts to broaden it a bit), it makes sense that a good portion of the show is going to focus on the female’s POV. That Beckett is a solid character on her own is just further justification for that.

          • Ralph says:

            That isn’t the way that this series had its start. It takes two in this series and if the balance doesn’t return soon, very soon, the audience will start finding other thinhs to do on Monday nights. If that is what you think, then you enjoy the Kate Beckett show, because Castle will be gone!

          • Just one thing says:

            @Ralph, I don’t think as many people see the imbalance that you do. So the show is likely alright in that department.
            .
            But I do think the show could use an infusion of something — whether that’s a new story angle or a plucky young cop character, I don’t know. Either way, it isn’t the Beckett Show yet, in my opinion, and unless something drastic happens behind the scenes, I don’t think it ever will.
            .
            Like I said before, something equally drastic would have to occur for you to ever “forgive” the Beckett character. And I don’t think that’s happening, either.

          • Ralph says:

            Actually it wouldn’t have to be drastic at all. Just return the balance the characters had before the disaster called the arc. Marlowe destroyed my vision of Castle in just three episodes.

          • i hate to say but its true…. the last couple of episodes ripped my heart. I felt bad for Castle, he changed so much fore Kate and yet she seems not giving him the value he deserves. Although i think the S&Q episode, was on propose , not to show that kate could feel tempted for another guy, but for the possibility of their relationship take the next step. They couldn’t do all season so melty, they’d to to something in order to drive us crazy until next season.
            I just hope next season to be more dramatic, they need to raise new plots at this time. I admit i get surprised when castle proposed on kate, because i thought they would break up and eventually she get the false alarm of being pregnant, But this is ok too, I just always wonder that the proposal could be more intensive and in a public place (maybe ina middle of a rick’s book party or book signing, I wish i could stay spoiler free until septembre because i always end up dispointed. Last year i was so looking foward to the morning after scene and they spoil it in sneak peeks, wich btw was ridiculous, because everyone was waiting for the morning after and they released in sneak peeks, so i think this time it’s better to not watch sneak peeks because they might reveal her answer there and will be a major disapointement for all of us!

          • Ralph says:

            Nope, you shouldn’t have bothered Do you get all of your percentages by calculations or do you just pull them from your body parts??

          • Rick says:

            “Female-leaning network”? So the women watching the show think a cold, emotional closed woman who lies to some one who has been with her for 5 years, acts like a bimbo in the Vaughn scene represents them. Having been in a long term marriage with a successful professional woman I can tell you relationships that are not based on love and trust don’t last. What happened to the woman who told her father that “she felt safer in the field with Castle at her back”. That was the woman and man that gave us a reason to watch the show. In the last 3 episodes did she look like a women that Castle should trust his back to?

          • Ralph says:

            Yeah, if I were Castle I would watch my backside when around Beckett, especially when Vaughn is around.

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 3,034 other followers