Spartacus: Vengeance Post Mortem: The Story Behind The Finale's Unprecedented [Spoiler]

Spartacus: Vengeance FinaleWARNING: If you have yet to watch the Spartacus: Vengeance finale tonight, run don’t walk to the nearest exit. We’re serious, folks. The following Q&A with executive producer Steven S. DeKnight contains massive spoilers. Trust us on this one. Everyone else, you may proceed…

Oh my Gods.

Spartacus: Vengeance wrapped its 10-episode season Friday with a breathtakingly action-packed and staggeringly lethal episode. When the sand dust settled, at least six major characters — including Lucy Lawless’ Lucretia! — were left for dead. Even in this day and age, where casualty-prone shows like The Walking Dead, True Blood and Game of Thrones are de rigueur, the body count was astonishing.

“One of the things that I love about working with Starz versus a normal network is we never would’ve been able to kill off so many major, important characters on a normal network — whether the story required it or not,” enthuses Sparty‘s boss, Steven S. DeKnight. “They may have let me kill off one. But I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have let me kill off six.”

Aside from Lawless’ Lucretia, the list of the dearly departed includes Nick Tarabay’s Ashur, Craig Parker’s Glaber, Katrina Law’s Mira, Peter Mensah’s Oenomaus and, despite a somewhat ambiguous “death” scene, Viva Bianca’s Ilithyia.

Below, DeKnight defends the high death toll, reveals which fallen character(s) he briefly considered resurrecting, and offers TVLine a preview of Season 3.

TVLINE | How long have you known that Lucretia wouldn’t make it out of the season alive?
That was actually a decision I made when we decided to bring her back at the end of Season 1. [Starz] approached me about possibly bringing Lucy back for [Vengeance] and I was adamant that she had to [remain dead] along with [John Hannah's] Batiatus, and everybody said, “OK. We respect that.” And then the next morning in the shower I had the idea of bringing her back as “Mad Ophelia” and letting the audience believe that she had recovered her sanity through this season. But then you get to the end and you realize, ‘Oh, no. She was, in fact, crazy the whole time.’ And I always had the idea of her revealing that it was all about the baby, which a lot of fans already picked up on. I think they thought she was going to take the baby and run away with it, which in our world she does, except she’s taking it to the afterlife for her dead husband so they can finally have the family they always wanted.

TVLINE | Was there any internal debate about it? Lucy is such a huge part of the show. It’s a risky move.
Oddly, there was no debate about taking the baby going over the cliff. There was debate about taking Lucy going over the cliff. At the 11th hour, after we had already shot it, we had some discussion about [possibly] bringing Lucy back next season. But [fellow exec producer and real-life husband of Lawless] Rob Tapert and I both looked at the the story and where we were going and felt very strongly that [although] we loved Lucy and we loved the character, [Lucretia had run her course. And [she] really didn’t fit in with Crassus going after Spartacus [in Season 3]. There was really no way to put her into that Roman camp. And we had a brief discussion about what if she ended up in the rebel camp? But my very strong feeling was that, story-wise, it wouldn’t work because Crixus or Naevia would try to kill her. So it was with much trepidation that we decided that it was best for the story that we wrap that up her character. It also felt like because Ilithyia was so intimately tied to Lucretia that both their storylines should end together.

TVLINE | Wait… Ilithyia died too?
Oh, yeah. She’s dead. She is dead.

TVLINE | That was not made clear.
[That's] one thing I regret. If I could go back I would’ve possibly re-shot [her death scene], just so it was clear that she did, in fact, die. We had a couple of different cuts of it where we were tying her death directly, visually into Glaber’s death, which I think was a little clearer. Upon seeing the final product, I’m going to have to explain to people that no, she’s not passed out; she’s dead.

TVLINE | You killed off both of your vixens!
And we had the same conversation about bringing Ilithyia back and she just plain didn’t fit into the story moving forward. She couldn’t be in the rebel camp. She had no place in the Roman side with Crassus and Caesar chasing Spartacus around the country. So, again, it felt like her character had run her course and should be wrapped up with Lucretia.

TVLINE | Sounds like you’re hitting the reset button in Season 3.
It seems like every season we make it a different show. And it’s part and parcel with the history that we’re following. This season was really a transition period between Blood and Sand and what’s coming next. In Vengenace, we found an artfully creative and historically plausible reason why we could reuse Batiatus’ Ludus as Glabor’s staging ground to go after Spartacus, and that way we could also reuse the city of Capua. So we had those holdovers from Blood and Sand and Gods of the Arena. But moving forward, we move away from that area, so there is no more Ludus, there is no more Capua. It is very much Crassus along with the aid of Caesar going after Spartacus and following some of those events that happened in history. So it’s much bigger than this year was. The scope of it, again, multiplies many times as Crassus battles Spartacus across the country.

TVLINE | What are some of the new characters you’re planning to introduce to fill the void left by all of these departures?
Crassus [played by Luke Pegler] is the main one. And a young Julius Caesar will be joining Crassus’ campaign. Crassus has a son that will also be on the campaign with them. There will be a couple of Romans who will pop up. There will be three new female characters that will be coming around. And one or two other people from history will make an appearance, but I can’t really say who. And one of the reasons for the high body count at the end of this season was… we needed to make a little room to bring new characters in. We couldn’t carry everybody.

TVLINE | Those actresses coming in have some big shoes to fill. 
They are going to be completely different types of characters. I’m not going to try to reproduce what Viva and Lucy were. There was a lot of concern going into this season about losing John Hannah and [we debated whether to] try to recreate another John Hannah-esque character on the show, and my feeling was if we even attempt to do that the audience would know what we were doing and would probably not have a good reaction to it. Here is Battiatus-lite! And I feel the same way about Lucretia and Ilithyia. These new female characters will be completely different and won’t have that same dynamic. But hopefully they will be engaging.

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201 Comments
  1. Pauly says:

    You may want to fix this so that the entire interview is on the main page…

    • Chad says:

      Please put some muscles on Spartacus. He looks ridiculous! And chest muscles for gods sake!

      O

      • jmalik says:

        SPARTACUS IS FIND THE FIRST SPARTACUS WASN’T THAT BIG , IT IS HIS IDEAS , HIS HEART , AS LONG A. S HE HAS SKILL U GUYS DID A WONDERFUL JOB ,CAN’T WAIT JUST HOPE U BRING GSNDKISS BACK

      • Victoria says:

        Seriously, it’s disconcerting when the supposedly best warrior is the least muscular guy, even Glabber looked bigger than Spartacus!

    • Glenn says:

      You killed Illthyia? That was a a big mistake man.

      • Chris DYnamo says:

        Totally agree. Couldn’t see a wound or anything, it was just so ambiguous.

        • Rashel says:

          You couldn’t see a wound for the ill fated Illthyia? Her child was cut out of womb like core from fruit. I thought it was obvious.

          • addictboy says:

            I totally agree… she underwent a “cesarian” by opening the womb using a tool like knife, and an open wound internally cannot be exposed for at least 2-4 hours or else she will bleed to death and much worse be infected.

      • Darren says:

        I totally agree, illthyia was one of my favorite characters.. I wish the writer would of written her into the next season . We all know Spartacus had something for her . The intrigue was that we didn’t know what it was and that would of been interesting trying to figure out how that played

    • mike says:

      How could you kill off the best character in that fashion? Totally screwed Illthyia over. Sorry I won’t be back.

      • Micheal says:

        Well I know I sure as hell will. Actually I was kinda surprised she made it that far. I felt a lot more more loss at the death of Mira then of any of the other female roles.

        • brionyjae says:

          Same here! Mira was such a fiery heroine, I loved her! Although Illythia was very intriguing and entertaining, I’m certain that we’ll have another just as crazy female lead in the next season! :)

  2. Carlos says:

    What about the baby. Did he survived?

    • TJCrinc says:

      if you remember the prequel, that cliff is very high up.

      • Karen says:

        Who knows there could be a lip on that mountain. How can you look into those eyes and think the writers could kill the baby. The times were brutal. Not Spartacus baby…….

        • Lisa Marie Williams says:

          LOL! Then Lucy’s character could have survived on the ledge with the baby too. “UNFORTUNATELY, Not Gonna Happen!” As far as I’m concerned and others I’ve talked to, they’ve killed off almost all of the main characters, definitely the most interesting ones so we’re not even going to watch the last season. The only thing left to do on the show is have Spartacus and his crew have their usual bloody fight off against their enemies the whole season. }:-{ Leaves no actual story line between them and other character’s. They should have left it as the finale of the show last season.

  3. Streed says:

    So…is she dead, or what she just *left* for dead? Because those sound like two different things.

    • Aurora says:

      Lucretia, Ilythia and the baby are all DEAD. Finito. DeKnight makes that very clear in every interview he’s done.

      • Karen says:

        Why don’t they let us know if this is the end….? They can always make people come back to a certain degree. It depends on how the actor died. You never know…would be cool.

  4. TLK says:

    Oh my, so Illythia died. No more Spartilly. Only those moments from Episode 8 Balance. I am out of Spartacus becos there is no more Illythia & Sparty moments. Very heartbroken.

  5. Josh says:

    First of all GREAT finale wanted Ashur and Glaber to get what was coming to them but Very shocked that Lucretia AND Illythia are gone as well very sad to see Mira and Onemauns die as well Great Job Mr Deknight”!

    • alex says:

      all of witch is historically accurate.

      • rusty says:

        Actually it is not correct. Onemauns, according to history, died with Crixus in the north in 72 BC after they split from Sparticus. They and their followers were killed before Sparticus’s final battle in the fall of 72 BC, not 73 BC at the mountain. Also Glabber was not killed in the attack, but returned to Rome in disgrace

        • melissa says:

          I admit, a client of mine got me interested in watching Spartacus but telling me about Lucy Lawless being nude. How could I resist a lure like that? While that got me to watch the first episode, it was the story that kept my interest. I love that the writers are being somewhat historically accurate. The vulgar language is reasonably accurate, the nudity is certainly accurate. Poorer people wore less clothes and it was hot there to begin with. It was an entirely different social structure and there were different morals and values. Sex just wasn’t a big deal and neither was who people had it with. It was also one of the most violent eras in history. These things combined with superb storytelling will keep me tuning in, no matter who dies. I was a history major and I know the show isn’t perfectly accurate. So what? This is entertainment and the creators have my blessing to veer off wherever they want to. I am going to miss the major characters that have already left but like I said, I can’t wait to see what’s coming next! Everything the writers have done so far has made sense.

        • thinker says:

          Glabber DID NOT return to Rome. After the battle at Vesuvius he is no longer recorded in chronicles. It is not known if he died in the battle or not. They made him die. I’m fine with that. Onemauns thing is correct, he shouldnt have died so soon. But you know that he should be white? He was from Gallia just like Crixus. And at the time of the battle at Vesuvius there were thousands of rebels with Spartacus already, not just a banch of muscle morons from Germania…I dont like the fact that they change the history so much.
          About the women deaths:
          Get over it people, the season was called vengeance not just for Spartacus’ vengeance on Glabber. The title is also for Lucretia and her vengeance on Lithia. I cant imagine what would they do with them in the new season…Let them be dead. They should focus more on the rebel and history, there is so many interesting facts, like pirates who were to ferry Spartacus to Sicily, like arena games where captured Romans fought one another and Rebels watched and had fun (Spartacus made this to honour Crixus death). Just wait and see instead of saying “I’m not gona be back next season cause that woman is dead”.

          • tina says:

            You need to check your history. While I don’t have the time to correct all your wrongs please take note you need to reread your history… p.s. all characters should have brown skin…

        • jxsgrma says:

          you history while correct,failed to mention that it says at the beginning of every episode that it is based on historical facts and this is a drama it does say the series is historically accurate while i do like historical accuracy in shows i dont mind a little dramatic license

  6. Miranda says:

    Like how you didn’t even mention any of the other MAJOR deaths – what the heck? What about Mira? What was the explanation for her death? there is no way she didn’t “fit in” next season. :l

    • Ivan says:

      I could kinda guess that when she (Mira) parted ways with Sparty she was off. Altough it would make our opinion of her low to go to another man…. :(
      Btw great show and excellent work as in prvious seasons! In BaS and GoA you did fantastic work Mr. DeKnight – this one was no less majestic! Keep it up and we are eager to see new season aired asap! Oh, and make it a bit longer like BaS, I dunno like 20-30 episodes!

    • Aaron says:

      Yes there is. Spartacus is a leader of men. He is a general in his own army. Spartacus needs to embrace the role of leader of men and not that of a man in love ala Crixus and Navia. If not then the story is no longer a retelling of spartacus but more so a recreation meant to appease a modern fickle audience. Hear, hear to the people of STARZ! I love this show.

    • Mike says:

      She no longer fit because her emotional tether with Spartacus was severed when she tried to kill Ilithyia. Her days were numbered.

  7. Josh says:

    TlK you do realize They hated each other right? She was prefecetly fine with Glaber killing him and Raising the Child as Glaber’s

    • TLK says:

      No, Illythia was playing Glaber to hurry him to his death on the battlefield with Sparty. That was always part of Ilythia’s plan. Remember the scene on the balcony when Illythia returned from her kidnap ordeal where she had a epiphany when the golden light shone on her. She made up her mind there & then that only herself & baby Sparty would be together without Glaber.

      She only made up with Glaber after killing Sepia to reseal her position in Roman society without the love accorded to Glaber.

      As for Illythia hating Sparty, there is fine line between love & hate. She is conflicted the way I see it becos she is so awed by Sparty’s alpha male status. Sparty is intrigued that Roman noble women would see him as desirable. Its like opposites attract to put it simply.

      I was so invested in the Spartillya relationship & its all gone!!!

      • royce says:

        What show are you watching? Because it clearly wasn’t Spartacus.

      • Michael says:

        Try not to watch Spartacus on drugs. Illythia reunited with Glaber; she had no intentions to hasten his death. And she boinked Spartacus because she was a sociopath, not because she “loved” him.

        • Holly says:

          Lucretia set up the “boinking” of Illythia in the first season. Illythia wanted to sleep with a gladiator and picked Crixus. Lucretia HATED this, so to screw her over she set her up with Spartacus because Illythia despised him. What show were all of you watching?

          • Doug says:

            I don’t remember what episode but there a moment when she was bathing that she was recalling her meeting with Spartacus while having a slave attend to her. (So to speek) She was interupted by her husband.

  8. Andy says:

    Very good finale. I tuned in for Lucy, and I’m tuning out now that she’s gone, but it was a really fun ride along the way.

    • Daniel says:

      Same here. Going to Miss Lucy and Lucretia. She was the reason to Watch Spartacus and now that shes gone… I am too.

  9. M says:

    The only death that really killed me was Mira’s. I feel like there was still plenty of story left to tell with her and her relationship with Sparty.

    That being said, it was an excellent finale and I give the writers props for killing off so many major characters in order to advance the story.

    And I thank them for letting Naevia live.

  10. JD says:

    I think they could have saved Lucretia and put her in the rebel camp. I can’t believe out of all the females they save the most useless one, Naevia. Someone must have jungle fever because that actress sucks, figuratively and I guess there is no other explanation literally too. At least recast. She’s f’ing unwatchable. So sparing the audience and killing Naevia could have opened the door for Lucretia in the Spartacus camp, because she had brought him his child and the Crixus angle.
    I don’t know about the pacing of the show they really like to blow their wads quickly and while we know the history the other ones they create can be kept on longer.
    And what a weak exit for Lllythia it look like she easily lived, especially if you go by the season one finale and Lucretia survived with a worse wound.

    • Michael says:

      “someone must have jungle fever”? Someone must be a racist.

    • Tammi says:

      What a wonderful love story btwn Crixus and Naevia. Let’s leave race out of it. This is the best series ever. Congrats to all the writers, actors and actresses!!!

    • TR says:

      JD, you must be ignorant, there was no need for that kind of comment

    • Tez says:

      How is getting stabbed gently in the stomach a worse wound then having a baby cut from you?
      Lucretia’s wound from season one was clearly much less then Lllythia’s one

    • Hilbert says:

      Lucy lived because Ashur came to aid. Llithia died cause there was no medic to stop her bleeding plus the heat in the following days. You guys are in love with the characters. I’m glad they are dead.

  11. kukumo says:

    sorry …NO Lucy LAWLESS …NO SHOW! Bye!

  12. Dave The Dude says:

    Amazing episode…. I’m disappointed that its gonna be another year before my Spartacus craving will be sated though. Hopefully all that extra time means our patience will be rewarded with a decent length season that lives up to the extremely high expectations the previous seasons have built.

    Bravo Mr.DeKnight, Bravo.

  13. C.B says:

    Wow, didn’t see this one coming. Really sorry to see Lucretia ,Llithyia and so many others gone in one episode. To many turnovers for me .

  14. IShield says:

    Lucy will be back as Xena. Remember Xena has a relationship with young Cesar and he broke her legs and left her to die on the beach.

  15. phillyrock253 says:

    I absolutely object! This is just devastating. I had no idea that Ilithyia totally kicked the bucket. Man I so wanted more Spartilly moments. Viva is such a profound actress. As much as I was able to get over everyone else’s death…her death and the baby’s was too much for me to take. So long Spartacus :(

    • bullwinkle says:

      Viva was my favorite by far. Beauty, sex, and evil – an unbeatable combination! She is already missed.

  16. L.J says:

    Wow what a way to finish a season! Lucretia was mad crazy! Wait, Ilithyia died? That was a terrible exit. Hopefully they’ll bring her back like they did with Lucretia or else I’m out…I’ll definitely miss her bad-ass self. Hard to imagine the new girls will top the old ones…

  17. David says:

    I cannot believe some of you people actually entertain the idea of Lucretia becoming part of the rebel camp. I seriously would have stopped watching if they would have done that with her, just because of how outrageously stupid and unbelievable it would have been. Thank you, DeKnight, for not doing that with her, that would have been utterly ridiculous.

  18. Kevin says:

    Yes, Later Spartacus. Seems you need new writers with talent. Watch the ratings drop. Thanks for a good season.

    Time to cancel STARZ.

    • Micheal says:

      YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHHHI don’t see that happening lol sound’s like someone needs a tissue funny for some reason I sense you apparently watched the whole season as you most likely watched the 2 before it and lo and behold it wasn’t set in stone that alot of people would be here for the 3rd so boo hoo pull tit from mouth

  19. Wow! A lot of upset viewers seem to be in the mix. I don’t want to see characters continually resurrected – that’s not about the forward movement of the show but a continual “character” fix. I will watch the show next season. Also, JD’s comment about “jungle fever” needs to be expunged. What a racist thing to say about this actress.

    • Saint Rocco says:

      Well said. I can’t believe people will tune out because Lawless is gone. What is she, like an academy award winning actress or something? I like the way the writers hit the reset button. I will continue to watch the show.

      • erin says:

        I agree with all- i dont believe i was the only one watching at home waiting for lucrecia and alyhtia to get what was coming for them…. its been a very entertaining show, and for all the whinging people out there saying they arent going to watch it because a character died… well suck it, the characters were bitches and deserved what happened, and i was sitting there cheering their deaths on, because they are just characters…. it is a show nobody died for real- grow up or go home

    • Micheal says:

      heh whatever racism seems to be outdated nowadays anyway doesnt it I know I got me some jungle fever!!! Girl is f’ing hot

  20. King sparty says:

    Can’t believe people would leave such a great show because they do the right thing and kill off major characters. The show is Spartacus not Lucrecia. Get over it

    • Ewing says:

      As happens often, he’s a dull theoretical “lead” but the real spice were the villains, played by much stronger actors.

      I’ll give new season a chance, as long as they promise to give us less Spartacus speeches.

      • Mike says:

        Yes, the speeches were starting to grate on the nerves, but you can’t really have a leader like Sparty without the speeches.

      • MJk says:

        I do somewhat agree, but I will challenge that in season one the actor who played Spartacus had more charisma and seemed to seethe emotion into his role. I wasn’t as bored with Spartacus in the first season as I was in the second. The supporting characters were what carried the show this time around. But I am not against the deaths in the finale. I wanted Ilythia gone, I was over her and wanted her punished. Lawless, as much as I hated her in season one, I began to like in season two. She seemed not to be against Spartacus, which was true ultimately since all she cared about was the child. And I liked the twist of her death which too was by her own design and no one elses meaning she still came out on top and in control of her own destiny. I will miss her, but I do look forward to season 3.

    • Saint Rocco says:

      Agreed!

  21. Terry says:

    Excellent finale, and the producers made wise choices in wrapping up the storylines that couldn’t move forward. I am ready for next season asap!

  22. bhm1304 says:

    Other shows should hire Steven DeKnight to come up with their finales. Once again, he has come up with the bloodiest most satisfying conclusion this story could take. Losing the great characters of Mira – damn, she had a sad life in this story bet Katrina Law pops up in Miami in Magic City – this network is loyal, Ashur – couldn’t have happened in a better way – Nick Tarabay has been on three Starz shows thus far bet he winds up on another as well – he, Lawless, and Mensah are the only three actors that have been in every episode thus far – this network allowed this show and its writers to kill off three characters/actors that have been in every single episode – name another show with that kind of courage, Oenomaeus – fantastic ending and wonderful conclusion to the story of Mellita, Gannicus, and Oenomaeus. Gannicus had a great story and run and his story, historically, is just beginning which is great with a damn good actor in the role in DC. Lucretia and Ilithyia, Lucy and Viva are going to be tough shoes to fill but their stories had to end unfortunately. And Craig Parker’s Glaber finally getting one of the best death’s of the season.. You totally see why Lesley Ann Brandt might had opted out this season – she must not have wanted the boot camp – thats cool but Cynthia owns the role now — and that worked out good. And finally – he had the biggest shoes to fill of anyone in a while on television but by his last scene of this finale episode you finally understood why the characters would be following this guy like they did Andy’s Spartacus. Too much to digest in one episode but it all worked. Can’t wait to see what they come up with next. Sorry for going on…..

  23. Bell says:

    I said I wouldn’t continue watching if Ilithyia and Lucretia were killed off…

    Well, Lucretia I can forgive. Her death was fitting and morbidly beautiful. The image of her at peace, falling backward with a baby in her arms, will haunt me. The thought of her and Quintus together in the afterlife also makes me sort of happy.

    Alas, I really can’t handle Ilithyia’s departure. I thought for sure she had just passed out/gone catatonic. With her confirmed death as well…I don’t know if I can do it.

    The show is a testosterone-fueled sausage party. Yeah, I love me some Sparty and Gannicus don’t get me wrong, but as a viewer I need those strong charismatic females. I sort of pessimistically doubt that the newbies will be able to pull that off. How can you possibly match or top them? And if you don’t, which DeKnight sounds like he won’t even try to, then the scales are tipped way too far away from any femininity. I guess I will just wait to see what others say about season 3 before catching up and tuning in. I’m fine with Wrath of the Gods being my show finale. In fact, it makes a good one.

    • Bryce says:

      Do you remember a prequel series called Spartacus: Gods of the Arena? A season that was absolutely brilliant and introduced the wonderful character Gaia – Lucretia’s friend who managed to fill the Illythia void in a fresh fashion and win my interest before getting axed only 4 episodes in — and helped to explain why Lucretia was the devious, paranoid power player that she is in Season 1 and 2. I think Mr McKnight has proven he has storytelling balls AND a great love of wicked female characters over and over again. Mira is the only casualty I wish didn’t happen, because I think she could’ve delivered more Katniss Everdeen awesomeness, but it’s clear, that now after the deaths of his wife and now Mira, Spartacus will be particularly closed off – meaning one of the new women is probably going to be a sexy new love interest.

      • mike says:

        She didn’t fill her shoes nearly as well as you think. Illthyia was the best character on the show and the meanest one too.

  24. Sid says:

    best characters before this ep

    1 ashur
    2 glaber
    3 gannicus
    4 onameaus
    5 lucretia
    6 ilythia
    7 egyptian

    you killed 6 of the best characters. now next season we have scrawny spartacus and a bunch of losers. thanks a lot you stupid starz writer. now gannicus and the blonde are the only reasons left to watch. damn you, damn you and i will have my revenge in this life or the next

    • Mike says:

      ….. “damn you and i will have my revenge in this life or the next”.
      That is hilarious! Best comment in this entire section.

  25. Pip says:

    Illythia should not have died. Shame on you Steven for destroying a great character! None of the new female characters will bring the level of complexity and intrigue the way Illythia did. Bring her back!!!

    • Dean says:

      Her father died, he husband died, and the newborn that was just cut out of her womb just dived over the cliffs with Lucretia … Who the the hell wants to watch illythia next season since she’ll just mirror Lucretia this season? She can’t top Lucretia In the crazy department. I like illythia character but keep her dead!! Move the story along, this is not daytime soap.

    • Mike says:

      How can you possibly know that none of the female characters will be as engaging as the ones who just died? Keep in mind that he created those characters you got attached to.

      But you know, maybe you’re right; if you’ve completely closed yourself off to future characters then yes, none of them is going to be good enough for you. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

  26. judd says:

    Learn the history of Spartacus people…. in the end they all die. Enjoy the story as it unfolds. Great season!

    • Mike says:

      Thank you. For God’s Sake’s people. What is wrong with some of you. Saying you’re going to stop watching the show because Lucretia or Illythia have been killed off. Are you kidding me? You continued watching after Andy Whitfield’s death, but you’re going to stop watching now because of some of the women leads had to be written off to make the story work? That’s crazy.

      All you people saying you won’t watch anymore because Lucretia is gone are just ridiculous. Her character had no business being back this season. It was a total wild, stretch to bring her back for this one. You should be glad and satisfied you got one more year of her when you shouldn’t had. I loved her character too, and I think Lucy is awesome in everything, but the storyline is the storyline and there was no plausible way to keep her. How can you give up on such a great show over that, it’s crazy.

  27. Tiki says:

    According to history, they will likely bring in Kevin Sorbo as Hercules. They have been praying to the gods this whole show, why not bring a demi-god. I’m sure Lucy Lawless will be back as Xena like someone else mentioned. Maybe Crixus will also have to double as Mark Antony. He did play the part in Xena. Brutus might be a possibility too. They could bring back David Franklin to play the part. Last but not least, Dr. Who will certainly need to be included. This is a historical moment that he would have to be a part of. BBC and Starz work together, right?

  28. eliott256 says:

    You people saying you won’t watch the show anymore because they killed off your favourite characters are crazy. I absolutely adored Lucretia and Ilythia and their messed up relationship, but their storyline had run it’s course and they both met very fitting ends. Can’t wait for season 3!

  29. Ilythia says:

    you guys are soooo silly ha ha you make me so laugh so much

  30. Kay says:

    I thought the finally was AMAZING!!! Was I surprised by how many characters died? HELL YESS! But, I definitely love that the writers are willing to do that, because as much as I loved the characters I honestly would have stopped watching if none of them got seriously hurt or died! The unexpected death toll is exactly why i enjoy Spartacus…the story is about Spartacus and I feel that new characters and new plots/storylines are necessary for this show to move forward. So, BRAVO on an AMAZING finale…I will definitely be tuning in next season!

    P.S. It seriously bugs me when people stop watching a show because their “favorite” character is gone…really?!! You should at least give it a chance because otherwise you might miss out on another amazing season. Just my opinion…I love it when tv shows take risks and unexpected things happen!

    And, once again, LOVED THE FINALE!!

  31. Shayaan Ahmed Matin says:

    Its funny to think that the fans are criticizing the writers for killing off the characters and then saying they aren’t capable of writing better ones in when they wrote in the characters you fell in love with in the first place. Stupid

    Also, its 6 main characters.

    Ashur and Lucretia were two of the smartest characters I’ve seen on this show, and how they used politics to manoeuvre their positions, akin to what Batiatus did.

    Oenomaus was another great character on the show, symbolizing respect and honour. The egyptian had shown great promise as a fighter,

    Mira had played a great character, starting off as Spartacus’ sex toy and look where she ended up. Dying as a fierce warrior with independent thinking and determination.

    We saw how much Illithya developed as time progressed and her own quest to gain power. And lastly Gaius (Glaber) did really well to sell me a character that until midway this season I was at best skeptical about. And how they fell together in the hunt for glories and power.

    But one must realize that characters must come and go for such a show to progress. It is what makes this show realistic, that literally no character in untouchable. I’m sure the writers will do a great job and next year and my only concern is how far the next season is! Until then, I bid adieu to some great performances, give my respect to the writers and hope to return to see the next season even better than before

  32. Sophie says:

    Really enjoyed the last episode, and i completely understand why they killed off Lucretia and Ilythia, even though they will be missed and as pretty much everyone has said they are going to be some huge shoes to fill however really didn’t want Onameaus or Mira to die, although saying that Onameaus’s death was executed beautifully. But with Mira I don’t really understand, there was so much more to do with her, and i’m not a big fan of Naevia, i’m sorry if people like her but i’m not a fan of the actress, everyone else is brilliant but she lets it down slightly, and I loved Lesley-Ann Brandt, sad she didn’t stay. anyways good job really enjoyed the final cant wait for the next season, and all you haters give the next season a chance you never know, the new female might be awesome!

  33. kim says:

    oh crap, i don’t think i’d want to watch this show anymore…they killed off ilithyia..how boring would next season be??

  34. melissa says:

    I just can’t believe they’re nixing Lucretia. The relationship between her and Ilithia and all the drama and suspense which arose from it, drew so many plot lines together. Can you rewrite the opening of season 3 with Ilithia still in labor but hallucinating?

    Lucretia’s character is so tragic. She only wanted to have a decent life and then just as she was so close, everything was taken from her. Her husband, the house, her child, the ludus, her livelihood, everything. Yes, she was unbalanced to begin with (she murdered her father-in-law) but can’t you salvage her character and give her some satisfaction? Is it possible to save her and ilithia’s relationship and see their history together fuel schemes and plots for more power as a secondary story line? Lucretia died without knowing her rapist, Ashur, was dead. Even that was denied her.

    Ilithia could return to Rome, minus Glaber but with her station in life assured. She could maneuver for even more power, tossing scraps to Lucretia, until the slave revolt reaches Rome and then we could see her fight for her life. Meanwhile in Capua, Lucretia attempts to rebuild her life with her wits and the scraps she occasionally gets from Ilithia.

    Roman law governed slavery too and a person could pay their debt and then become free again. Maybe Lucretia’s story could continue with that premise involved.

    I really hate to see these characters go. It’s rare to find anything on TV that’s worth watching and Spartacus has been so good so far. I’ll watch season 3 but I’ll really miss Lucretia and Ilithia.

    • Wait wait wait, hold the the goddamn phone, do we not REMEMBER Lucretia from season 1, what she did not only to Spartacus but also Illithyia. How about her father in law, she was not a tragic figure per se.
      Wanting to be reunited with her husband who was also a ruthless murderer…Really people. How about Illithyia sealing the fate of dozens upon dozens in the finale of season 1…Which is why she got her comeuppance in this season.

      • melissa says:

        I didn’t say Lucretia was an angel or that she deserved pity. I don’t feel sorry for either of those women but they are forces of nature and have made me want to know not just what happens next but how it’s to be done. I want to know these people. (Not as friends, mind you) I said she was tragic and unbalanced. I also see what drove her. The character development is absolutely stellar! If the writers don’t bring them back all I can say is if these are the characters the writers throw away, I can’t wait to see what they bring to the table next!

        I tell you people, Shakespeare himself is sitting in the afterlife with an enormous tub of popcorn and positively drooling over every episode of Spartacus.

    • Takina says:

      Lecretia did know that Ashur died…hence her tossing the wig that he gave her…duhhh

  35. Steve says:

    Really enjoyed the last episode and can’t wait for the next series.
    Only issues I had was according to the history books Spartacus never killed Glaber he returned to Rome and disapeared in shame.
    Also as someone said they all die in the end that is not entirely true because Spatacus’s body was never found.
    Another name from history that might be included was Pompey as he was returning from Spain to take on Spartacus.
    Somebody else mentioned Mark Anthony with Caesar. Caesar did not meet up with him until the Gaul campaign a good few years later.
    There were two more consular legions sent before Crassus under the command of Publicola and Clodianus. They defeated Craxus and 30000 men before losing to Spartacus. At this time Spartacus’s army had swelled to over 70000 men according to Plutarch.
    Thats when Crassus was sent in and Pompey was supposed to help with the legions from Spain

    • Lyndsey says:

      No they didn’t identify Spartacus’ body after the final battle BUT every survivor was then crucified. All primary sources from that time are in agreement that Spartacus died. Now, do I think that this show may take advantage of that lack of identification? Absolutely, though given the prior seasons, I do think they have the actual guts to actually kill them all (especially with Mira dead so there’s no one for him to “ride off into the sunset” with).

      I do hope that they bring in Pompey as well. After all, it was the threat of having to share the glory that pushed Crassus into taking the fight to Spartacus & crush the rebellion. I can’t wait to see what happens next season!

  36. oz1967 says:

    Thanks for a Great Half a season, and a great first season: Blood and Sand, the reason I say this is, without Mr Whitfield it was empty and lacked fire especially the new lead (before you start, He did his best but for me it was miscasting), except for Ms Lawless and co at the Ludos who made the show worth watching for that arc completion.
    RIP Andy (The Only Spartacus) you are very missed.

  37. don says:

    TLK if tou remeber when spartacus nailed illythia neither one of them knew who they were with. Illythia thought she was screwing the “champion of capua” and lucritia replaced him with spartacus knowing her hatred for him because of the shame he brought to Glaber’s name

    • sjdevo says:

      One correction, Ilithiya thought she was having sex with Criexus but, he was no longer the champion of Capua. Spartacus was.

  38. Susan says:

    I don’t have words other than WOW!!! want an ending

  39. Stephen says:

    laughing at all these people saying “goodbye” because of one person. I started watching this season because of the story lines and type of show it is. For example, I didn’t know Lucy was in the show until I saw the credits for the first time. All the deaths in the finale struck me hard, but just because they kill of some main characters, wont drive me away. That was an amazing finale, and I cant wait for season 3!

  40. Shawna says:

    Here’s an idea….

    Lucretia still die’s……. falling from the cliff, However, her body cushion’s the impact on the baby. A few hours later the sun rises…… A noble Roman family traveling to Capua, hears the cries of an infant…… They stop…. (realizing the baby is of noble decent based on the mother’s attire) and rescue little Spartacus…. never to be seen again…..

    It could work. Our Vixen’s still die…. but the baby survives…..

    • Mike says:

      Yeah that’s not a bad idea. And they could really write that into any future season and show the kid partly grown up. Either as a noble or slave. Then somebody could eventually expose their true origin and mother. Then Spartacus can hear of it, and know he is the father. Would only work I think if baby is not a noble. A noble back then would never leave that life to have a relationship with Spartacus. And having Spartacus’s son plot against him wouldn’t make for good TV. They could order this up in Season 6 or 7 when good plot lines are getting low.

  41. Michael says:

    This show was doomed when they lost Andy

  42. Della says:

    Season 1 lucretia was a top villaness, unstoppable. I love how her death tied into a long cummilative plan. Illiythia had alot of potential, i will miss her. I was left feeling that spartacus had run out of people to kill for in vengance. Ashurs death was epic. I like this how because it is bold, takes risks because there is alot more story to tell. I knew the writers had talent when they killed off batiatus. I trust they will keep me on the edge if my seat. Would love ceasar and mark antony involved. One suggestion. Hbo did ROME with an excellent ceasar. He could not have been more regal and commanding. Also their mark antony was H-O-T.
    Crixus.. When will he have a strong storyline again? I miss his blind determination.

    • Mike says:

      I agree on Crixus. They really need to get rid Naevia for his storyline to be strong again. I hope that happens early next Season. Watching him for an entire season have that pouty look on his face every scene either longing for her or watching her was painful. None of these rebel warriors can have serious girlfriends for extended periods of time. It kills the intrigue of their character struggling for freedom if they’re in a happy relationship always talking about love. Other series it could work, just not this one. That’s why Mira had to go as well, as likable and interesting as a character she was (I really liked her), it was just not right for the Spartacus storyline. Now please do the same for Crixus and kill of Naevia in S3E1.

  43. cyloncaprica says:

    Won’t Simon Merrells play Crassus in s3? Luke Pegler played Marcus this season. Or are they doing a “Garret Dillahunt”?

  44. Christine says:

    What an amazing show! I can totally understand what DeKnight said about Lucretia, even if I love Lucy Lawless her character was becoming more of a background one as the story went by, so it was better to let go. Her death was very mind-blowing though, so it was a very well deserved ending to such an interesting character.

    I will definitely miss everyone, Mira, Oenomeaus (btw, as soon as I heard that P.Mensah would appear on the next season of True Blood, I was wondering if his character would survive this season), Ilyithia, even Glaber. I will probably not miss Ashur, because even if Tarabay was doing a great job, the character was kind of a creep lol.

    Thank you mr DeKnight, you have created an awesome show that I will probably watch until the very end.

  45. AJ says:

    I cannot see the show without Illythia. Lucretia I can do without.

    Illythia, NO! She has survival instinct honed in like a perfect art. Just does not seem right that DeKnight killed her off like that. She was about to push Lucretia down the balcony when her water burst, otherwise she would have carried out the deed. That is Illythia for you, great survival instinct.

    It leaves a great void in future Spartacus season becos personally I cannot see anyone topping Ilythia’s character. I see her as a major character who propels events into motion.

    And yes, I happen to be a viewer who will not be tuning in next season again. Nothing wrong with it. The rest of you should just respect our decision.

    Just wanted to say my piece.

  46. aleksa says:

    So… raise your hand if you cried….

  47. JMARTIN says:

    JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE SHOW IS CALLED SPARTACUS!! NOT ILLYTHIA!!! I’M GLAD SHE DIED. ALL THOSE NOT WATCHING NEXT SEASON BECAUSE SHE IS GONE ARE JUST AS CRAZY AS LUCRETIA WAS, OH AND BY THE WAY THEY ARE BASING MOST OF THIS OFF OF REAL HISTORY, THEIR PROBABLY WASNT AN ILLYTHIA TO BEGIN WITH..

    • Mike says:

      THANK YOU! Anyone saying they will not watch because either Lucretia or Illythia are now gone were never true Spartacus fans to begin with. And I notice most if not of all those comments come from either women or “initials” which are probably women not wanting people to know their women. It makes total sense to me that a women would stop watching the show because a women lead is gone. You all weren’t real fans of the show then to begin with. Because as JMARTIN says…THE SHOW IS CALLED SPARTACUS!

  48. gaeytacus says:

    THE NEW ACTOR SUCK BIG TIME!!
    HE CANT ACT WORTH A DAMN!!
    AND HE REALLY HAS THE MOST GAYEST FACE OF ALL GLADIATOR!! HE SHOULD CAST FOR “GLEE”!

    • sjdevo says:

      Give the kid a break. Liam is doing a great job!!! He had some pretty big sandals to fill. By the way what are you? some kind of homophobic moron. “that explains why you smell like a woman”.

  49. Alex says:

    *sigh* I’m really bummed about Illythia getting killed off. I think I liked her more as a villainess than Lucretia, though I wasn’t upset when they brought Lucy Lawless back. I cam understand why the writers felt that her story was done but I really do think that she could’ve had a story for season three. Oh well. I’m not going to give up on the show but it’s going to take me a while to get over Illythia’s death.

  50. Takina says:

    Some people take TV too seriously…if the show was worth watching thus far…you can bet its going to continue to keep the audience wanting more Spartacus…all those saying they aren’t watching next season are lieing!!! They have nothing better to do!!

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