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Supernatural Boss Talks Belphagor's Agenda, Sam's Troubling Visions

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Raise your hand if you have lots of burning Supernatural questions following last week’s eventful final season premiere. We thought so! (And in case you — gasp! — missed the episode, here’s our recap.)

Luckily, TVLine was able to get co-showrunner Andrew Dabb to answer some of our most pressing queries about Belphagor (aka the demon currently inhabiting Jack’s body), those visions of (evil?) Sam and the season opener’s pilot callback. Read on for all the scoop and a preview of Kevin Tran’s return in this Thursday’s episode (The CW, 8/7c).

TVLINE | Where did the idea for the character of Belphagor come from? Was that your way of finding some way to keep Alex [Calvert] around without bringing Jack back right away?
I think, in some ways, yes. But also, as we’ll see, this character has a bit more of an agenda, let’s just call it that, that will play into later parts of our season.

TVLINE | What did you think when you first saw the footage that was coming in? Alex looks like he’s just having a blast in this role.
Yeah, I thought he got much funnier and much more Italian. I would say those are my two biggest takeaways. Much funnier and much more like New York. Like, he talks with his hands a lot more as Belphagor.

Supernatural Spoilers BelphagorTVLINE | Was there any direction written into the script about what the personality should be like for the character, or anything that was relayed to Alex on set?
He and I spoke about it before he started the season, and I was like, “Look, here’s kind of how we see this character, but you are a professional actor, and so we’re not going to put like too many restrictions on you. Do what you feel.” He did, and it worked out great.

TVLINE | Belphagor and the Winchesters make for unlikely bedfellows, which is not a new concept for Dean and Sam. How is it different this time?
This time, there’s a crisis at hand. A lot of times, when we introduce the bad guy who our guys then start to work with, be it Crowley or Ketch or whoever else or Rowena, they start off as an antagonist that morphs into a protagonist, basically. Belphagor, he’s there to help, guys! So I think they kind of take him at his word because they have to, because the world’s about to be overrun by ghosts. But as we’ll soon learn, there may be more to Belphagor’s story than he’s letting on.

TVLINE | Is it definitely Belphagor in there, and not someone pretending to be Belphagor?
It’s definitely Belphagor in there.

TVLINE | Being a demon, Belphagor could go and do whatever he wants to do now that he’s got this vessel. What is keeping him by Dean and Sam’s side?
He says it himself: He wants to kind of make Hell great again, or whatever you want to say, and I think there’s some honesty to that. He’s a demon who likes Hell. But at the end of the day, his version of Hell and the Hell that he wants, and the version of Hell that Sam and Dean can get behind, may be very different.

Supernatural Kevin Tran ReturnsTVLINE | This week, Kevin Tran returns. What does it do to Sam, Dean and Cas to be confronted with a soul that they actually know and care about?
I think the first question is like, “Why was Kevin in Hell?” The last time we saw Kevin, God was like, “Don’t worry, I’ll help him out, I’ll send him to Heaven.” As we’ve learned and will continue to learn, God may not be the most honest person on Earth.

TVLINE | The season premiere also dropped a very tantalizing little tidbit with these weird flashes. First of all, was that Cas or Sam experiencing them, or was that just for the audience?
It was Sam experiencing them. Sam and the audience. Cas knows something’s wrong with the wound, knows he can’t heal it, but he did not see those specific visions.

Supernatural Spoilers Sam VisionsTVLINE | What does Sam make of them? What did they signal to him?
I think at this point, it was a quick flash. Sam’s not quite sure what it was. He hasn’t slept in a while. I don’t think he’s looking at anything [as] this is a supernatural thing. But as they keep happening more and more, I think it’s going to dawn on him [that] this may be more than just PTSD.

TVLINE | In those glimpses, it looked like maybe an evil Sam or Sam gets his powers back, and we hear Dean’s pleading voice. Is this a vision of the future?
This is not a vision of the future, and it may not be a vision of the past. It may be just a vision.

Supernatural We've Got Work To Do GifTVLINE | There was a really lovely pilot callback at the end of the season premiere. How did that come together?
The line to echo the pilot was written in the script. But John Showalter, the director of the episode, that was his idea. And James Pickel, who edited it, they put that in seamlessly. When I saw it, like every fan, I was like, “Oh, wow, that’s amazing.” And I would like to take credit for it, but it was not my idea. It was them. It was a great, great touch, and a great way to finish that episode.

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