LT says:

#TEAMANGELA

Jana says:

Lucifer doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Everything Angela said is absolutely correct. I know for a fact that on “Fox and Friends” Steve Doocy and Rudy Giuliani both tried to claim it was an attack on “religious liberty” rather than a racist hate crime.

:-) says:

Fox news and many republican presidential candidates called it an attack on Christianity for the better part of yesterday.

Angela says:

@Lucifer: I am not lying. If some people on the night end of Fox News did acknowledge the racial aspect of the story, then fantastic. But the fact remains that some people on that network DID try and divert attention from the racial aspect of it. I didn’t say EVERYONE on Fox News ignored the racial aspect, after all, I just mentioned the network in a general context to note that some people on there did.
And aside from movies or TV shows, I’ve never heard the term “it’s time we take the country back” used in regards to racism. It’s always used in referring to the failed policies that have crippled America’s economy and bad politicians who are making things worse.
Really? I have. The news showed plenty of clips of people during Tea Party rallies saying that, or some variation thereof. And don’t even pull that “it’s about the economic policies” thing. The contexts I’ve heard it in have always had a not-so-subtle racist bent to it.
No one brings up the fact that nearly all Democratic-run cities have the most violence, poverty, and minorities.
I’ve heard the opposite. A lot of Southern states, led by Republicans, tend to wind up at the bottom of lists in terms of economic growth or education or decent living conditions. I won’t argue that there are Democratic-led areas that aren’t perfect, either, but Republican-led places aren’t exactly faring any better. And what’s wrong with Democrat-run places having the most minorities? That’s a bad thing how?
As for the rest of the random stuff you brought up, I would very much like to see proof of these claims about lack of funding for men who have been abused and raped. And I fully agree there are problematic aspects of Islam, and if people are calling anyone out for pointing that out, then they’re idiots, because just like any other faith, it has its problems. I think where the main complaint comes in, though, is this idea that Islam is worse than any other faith or being made into some boogeyman for Christians in this country.
I think you’re misinterpreting what people are saying with those “all shooters are white men” comments. Some might actually mean that, in which case they’d be wrong, but most people’s point is that when a few people in minority groups do something bad, everyone in that minority group gets stereotyped as either condoning those crimes or more likely to commit those crimes or things of that sort.
But when white men go on shooting sprees (and while not all shooters are white men, the vast majority of the mass shootings that have taken place in recent years HAVE been committed by white men), people shrug it off as just one lone mentally ill nutjob. The difference in reaction is noticeable. I do think the fact that many white men have been going on shooting sprees in recent years is something worth discussing, because clearly there’s a pattern there that we need to explore further. And I don’t know what media you’re watching that Muslims aren’t called terrorists when they commit crimes, but I’ve heard that stated numerous times when a Muslim has attacked a group of people.
I only brought up the problematic elements of the conservative mindset because Robby complained about the fact that conservatives always get attacked after these things (’cause, you know, they’re victims, too, of course). And I just brought up a list of reasons as to why that might be the case. If we had been talking about left-wing ideology, I would’ve acknowledged the problems in there, too. But we weren’t.
Instead of going off on a random side tangent about the left-wing, would it really have been so hard for you to say, “Yeah, there are some pretty stupid people on the right. Rush Limbaugh and the birthers and the Confederate supporters do make conservatives look really bad.”? Sitting there saying, “Yeah, well, well…the other side does bad stuff, too!” doesn’t negate the fact that the right-wing has some serious ideological problems.
Also, thanks to everyone else for their support :).

Lucifer says:

@Angela, As I explained in my comment above to Jana, that I did not watch their morning program and had only watched their 3 primetime shows to see what they would say. Because you used the broad title of ‘Fox News’ which is an entire network, you claimed they were all trying to deflect when that was not the case. If that really is what they were doing in the morning, then that is very wrong.

I’m guessing you ignored Steve’s post above, which also points out Democrats including Hillary Clinton who have said “it’s time we take the country back”. And it was Hillary herself who began the birther movement. I guess I didn’t word it great, but I meant that I have never heard people of great influence say that term with a racial leaning. I’m sure there are people out there, but they’re probably laughed out of the room and only followed by people who are hardcore racist, mentally ill, or both.

A fine example of Democratic-run cities and failed policies is Baltimore. It has been run by democrats for 50 years and is currently run by primarily minority politicians and police. However, people still blamed republicans and white people for all the chaos it has been experiencing. And my point about the fact that most of these failing cities run by democrats having mainly minorities is that democrats are supposed to be the party that cares about minorities, yet are failing them on a grand scale.

Male victims of domestic abuse have a 47% chance to be threatened by police, 35% of being completely ignored, and a 21% chance of being arrested themselves (http://bit.ly/1LqeXod). Of the abused men who called domestic violence hotlines, 64% were told that they “only helped women.” In 32% of the cases, the abused men were referred to batterers’ programs. Another 25% were given a phone number to call that turned out to be a batterers’ program. A little over a quarter of them were given a reference to a local program that helped. Sixteen percent said the people at the hot line “dismissed or made fun of them. (http://bit.ly/1LxdnxJ)

Here (http://bit.ly/1H8dlga) is a long and sourced post on how the government only has initiatives to combat “violence against women” and how feminists have skewed the definition of rape to leave out men, especially when it comes to female-on-male (while also leaving out female-on-female). It is on tumblr, but like I said, the post is properly sourced.

I’ll elaborate on my point about the false narratives you and others are claiming about these mass shootings/terror attacks. The fact is that unless it’s a conservative-leaning outlet, which do not control the mainstream narrative, people are usually avoiding everything when it comes to non-white shooters or likely lone-wolf terrorist attacks. Alto Nolan, a man who converted to Islam, tried to convert his co-workers, and then beheaded one. Despite his facebook showing proof he was very much against America and wanted to cause destruction and chaos in the name of Islam, most news outlets were not only ignoring those facts, but were very adamant on it being “workplace violence.” Or Ali Muhammad Brown, a Muslim man with direct ties to terrorist groups who executed four Americans (including a 19 year old) within a short period of time as payback for America’s involvement in the Middle East. The media pretty much ignored it, even Fox News barely covered it much. And despite his confession to being a jihadist, he apparently is still not being referred to as a terrorist. The same was the case with Nidal Hassan (Muslim shooter at Fort Hood), Aaron Alexis (Black D.C. Navy Yard Shooter), Jaylen Fryberg (Native American Marysville Pilchuck High School shooter), John Allen Muhammad (Muslim D.C. sniper), and Seung-Hui Cho (Korean Virginia Tech shooter), so who were mentally ill and some who were clearly terrorists. But they all had one thing in common: they were no white and the media (despite popular belief) did not demand all Koreans or Muslims to own up for the actions of one person which is what the media is doing with white people every time there is a white mass shooter, especially with this horrible tragedy.

And if we are not allowed to bring up the fact that African Americans have been the vast majority of serial killers for the past 2 decades (and rising) of the fact that they make up about 13% of the population but half of all violent crimes, then why is it right to bring up the fact that in a majority white country, whites make up the majority of mass shooters (but still don’t make up the majority of gun violence)?

Whenever the tragedy happens like this and it’s a white-male shooter, the media glorifies him and people literally blame all white people for it. When it’s a woman or a non-white shooter, the media barely covers it and certainly never brings up the shooter’s race/gender. As I recall, the 2013 D.C. Navy Yard Shooting was covered for maybe 4 days, 5 tops, whereas Sandy Hook received media attention for about 1 year strait and still gets some here and there. If anything is worth discussing, aside from the media’s infatuation for white-male shooters, is that nearly all of these men who committed these acts showed signs of being mentally unstable and not enough was done. The mother of the Sandy Hook shooter even had him in counseling, but she still had all those guns lying around and nothing was done to prevent any of that horrible day. Another thing that people don’t like to talk about is the fact that gun control is a myth. There were several laws in place that Roof broke, he was not even legally able to own a gun. His father will likely be charged for illegally gifting him that gun. And I know most don’t want to hear it, but if the church was not a “gun-free” zone and at least one person had a gun on them, maybe not as many lives would have been lost. Look at Alton Nolen in Oklahoma, had someone not had a gun and shot him, he would have beheaded another woman whom he was in the process of doing so when shot. Or how about the Pennsylvania doctor who very likely stopped a mass shooting by having a gun on him and even the police said so?

You’re just fueling the fire and adding in commentary that is not only not needed, but creating a larger divide.