Attention, Castle fans: Winter is coming.
Longtime Castle scribe Terence Paul Winter has been named the ABC procedural’s new showrunner, TVLine has learned. He will preside over the freshly-ordered eighth season.
Winter replaces David Amann, who is exiting after one year on the job.
After penning a couple of Season 2 episodes, Winter joined the show as a producer in 2011, rose through the ranks, and was promoted to EP in the middle of this season. Episodes he has written include “The Blue Butterfly,” “Veritas” and “Once Upon a Time in the West.”
Speaking of Castle Season 8, sources confirm that negotiations continue between ABC and leading lady Stana Katic.
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Hope TPW should definitely turn Castle’s upcoming season around with or without Stana Katic.
I just saw Jon Huertas’ congrats tweet to TPW. One of the lines was “Hope we get 2 be on the ride with u!” so it is not just Stana who does not have a new contract yet.
I hope Stana doesn’t come back, I think it’s time to start fresh. Last couples seasons has been plagued with Beckett’s garbage and crying, it’s time for Castle to shine, it’s his show. Otherwise, I think it’s time to end the show before it becomes the snoozefest “Beckett” show like it already has become. End it one a high ABC. Just end it’s misery.
Castle — the show and the character — can’t shine without Katic’s Beckett. Hasn’t Season 7 taught you that much?
Season 7 was the weakest so far – time to refocus – the show’s title is “Castle” – get another casts of characters, if need be, and let Nathan do his thing .
But S7 was supposed to be all about Castle’s mythology, didn’t you read the numerous interviews with the showrunner and his muppet throughout the season, and didn’t the showrunner say throughout the series that the show was an epic love story, possibly based on his own, bit difficult to have an epic love story with only one lead. Not interested in Castle P.I. Other shows do the COTW thing better.
Season 7 was the weakest and guess who “got to do his thing?” Yep, Nathan. It was Castle-centric and obviously didn’t work. Castle needs Beckett, Nathan needs Stana. Simple as that.
Totally agree with CastleBuzz, he’s right. Where all Nathan’s went? They wanted more Nathan/Castle and look what happened with the ratings. The show needs BOTH: Nathan and Stana, otherwise will be a totally new different show without Stana
There is a difference between Castle and Nathan! Nathan acted his best, only Castle character wasn’t written in the way it was supposed to be. I mean, rather than a silly idiot if they would have showed a smart grown up man with sense of humor, which Castle is supposed to be, then the show would have worked. The problem wasn’t even Nathan, it was the bad writing.
If I hear “the show’s title is ‘Castle’ so…” one more time I’m going to throw up. The show could be called Cheeseburgers for all I care. What makes (or made) the show good is (was) Castle AND Beckett and everyone else. And for everyone who is saying that Nathan “could” carry the show without Stana — fine, maybe, but “should” he? It wouldn’t be the same show AT ALL so what’s the point?!
I like that concept “Cheeseburgers”– :)
(ps is that from Number One Fan ?)
lkh: Ha! Actually my favorite line from that episode is “Dude, they’re donuts…you’re either in or you’re out” (when the guy asked for gluten free). :)
yes, remember that–that was sorta a Castle ‘heavy’ episode that worked-no pun intended.
and, maybe in third place, she dotted my eye (right?)
on the vest…
Number One Fan was a great episode. It was Castle-centric to some extent, but so well written that it beautifully integrated Beckett and the boys. You really never felt they were all that separated. Not at all like the recent In Plane Site, where despite the Skyping and phoning with Beckett, never managed IMO to make them feel connected. I think TPW wrote Number One Fan. If he can get the show back to that quality on a regular basis, Castle the show will be back…for real!!! …. assuming Katic returns….
lkh: Haha, the “i” yes. True, it was a good episode–very memorable, obviously! But like CastleBuzz said, it worked because everyone was integrated very well. :]
(Castle heavy, lol)
ugh-of course “i”–dah
You take out Beckett, you lose way too many viewers. While Castle is essentially the star of the show (as it’s named after him), the character and the show as a whole is completely and utterly tied to Beckett. Without Beckett, you have no show. What made the show work so well is the dynamic between the two. Nathan Fillion himself cannot carry the whole show. I think this past season has shown that. It’s been more Castle-centric and this has been one of the worst seasons they’ve had. I think the show thrives more when it’s more Beckett-centric, honestly. So no, Stana needs to come back. At least for a 13-episode final season.
Well said!
Beckett is too old now for advertisers! 18-34 age group where the money is! Katic is 37 years old and so a younger female detective should get the ratings up along with better scripts for season 8! And in real life now; she is married!
Where did you crawl out of? The Stone Age? Try not to scrape your knuckles.
GUYS! He’s a Stanatic, his previous posts on Castle always been hate towards Fillion and that’s what he’s wanting right now too!
WOW! Such a cheap move from you man! Seriously! You’re a crazy stanatic, I thought that before, know it now! Want guys to start saying things to Fillion! I have seen your comments on previous posts, like the 3XK ones, you have said you like Beckett more, Fillion should be kicked off the show, bla bla! You’re a complete example of how moronic fans have become to degrade the other co star!!
I believe the show has an edge that has dissentegrated over the last few seasons! It only makes sense if castle and Beckett are working together not shamelessly bumping into each other and then working together in a forced marriage while working their own personal angles!
The show desperately needs a refresh… However when they attempted this they failed miserably by taking the two stars if the show in completely different directions-all to hopefully come together in the end. It’s really too bad as the show still had a chance if it was written properly
GUYS! He’s a Stanatic, his previous posts on Castle always been hate towards Fillion and that’s what he’s wanting right now too!
WOW! Such a cheap move from you man! Seriously! You’re a crazy stanatic, I thought that before, know it now! Want guys to start saying things to Fillion! I have seen your comments on previous posts, like the 3XK ones, you have said you like Beckett more, Fillion should be kicked off the show, bla bla! You’re a complete example of how moronic fans have become to degrade the other co star!!!
How would you have her absence explained? Death? Divorce? Nobody’s going to tune in for that
She’ll be offscreen at home with the kids while Castle is bringing home the bacon. It’ll be like a show set in the 1950’s. Think Leave it to Beaver but with weekly murder mysteries.
No, she’ll be heading up a federal somethingorother. Castle will be doing a Colombo thing. The wife always present…
Doesn’t matter how it’ll be explained. The show will be a dud.
Season 7 has been the snoozefest “Castle” show, all about Castle’s mythology, Castle being a PI, Castle and daughter duo and ratings have dropped to a series low. Season 7 has proven that the show needs both Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic to succeed.
They went through 140 actresses to find the right chemistry with Nathan. They made it about the couple and chemistry from day 1. It’s Moonlighting becoming The Thin Man. You can’t have Nick without Nora. Don’t see how it wouldn’t gut the show.
Are you negative like that all day long, your life must be very boring.
Chris, how is it Beckett who made it a snooze fest when this season was not even about her. We hardly saw her. Every ep was castle castle and more Castle. So if you were bored abt the ” season of castle” then maybe you’re not castle fan after all. You want it abt him, this season was and you didn’t enjoy it.
This show is a 2 person show not 1. Love Nathan but he can’t do it without her. Stana needs to be back.
Season 7 barely had any Beckett at all and it sucked. This was the season of Castle “shining”. It’s not his show, it’s THEIR show! And it won’t survive without her.
You got the “season of Castle” in season 7. Oh yeah, Nathan in all his glory! Boy oh boy! You saw the ratings, right? We almost were on the danger zone…..THAT’s what a castle-centric season with almost no Stana did to this once mighty show. Viewers tuned out big time! Without Stana Kartic’s Beckett interacting with castle & solving crimes together, close to 3 million viewers each week tuned out. No Stana’s Beckett no castle. Simple as that. Without Stana Katic’s Beckett, this show will tank & tank hard. Season 7 gave us a sample if castle goes solo with no Beckett. Continue with that concept & the show will be gasping for air & will drown in Season 8.
Gee, SUV was gonna die a quick death when Christopher Melomi left, and so on, and so on …. Shows survive with intelligent writing and Season 7of Castle offered precious little in this regard.
1st of all I do agree with you that the show needs the both of them. 2ndly Nathan is a fantastic actor. Great at both drama & comedy. Problem wasn’t Nathan in the least bit. It was terrible writing. Although to be fair I did like quite a few ep’s before Christmas.
I was going to argue with you, but everyone else already said it.
Chris, free speech or are you just being mean?
The only possible feasible way they could get rid of Stana would be to kill Beckett – there’s no way she would leave… and that doesn’t seem to fit the tone of the show, somehow…
Personally, if Kate Beckett isn’t returning, then Castle could team with another female homicide detective… say Jo Martinez played by Alana De Garza?
Ha, ha. Crossover with Forever. But Jo loves Henry and Rick loves Kate. Way too soon to switch them!
I’ll watch Castle without her. Is she always such a diva?
What makes you think she’s a diva?
Exactly! There is nothing in Katic’s actions or personality that we know of that suggests she’s a diva. What a sexist term and sexist comment…
Why won’t she sign?
First, you don’t know that SK hasn’t signed and they’re just not announcing it for some reason. Second, there are many reasons for not signing a contract until it satisfies you. Perhaps she doesn’t like the disparity between NF’s salary and the amount being offered to her for equal work (their screen time and number of lines are equal). This has been a huge issue lately in Hollywood. Or perhaps she wants more control over how her character is portrayed or an opportunity to direct an episode or producer credit with more creative control over the storylines. Maybe she wants to know who’s going to take the helm and whether she can work with that person. It’s even possible that she may not have gotten into serious negotiations until ABC re-signed Nathan, which would mean she’s only been in contract talks for a few weeks.
You do realize the diva reports are always linked to Fillion. He is the one who is walked off set, he is the one who pulled a tantrum on her screen time…Whilst I don’t believe it, there is no proof that Nathan or Stana are divas.
Sorry about the diva comment
Thank you. Very nice of you to take that back! :)
yes, agree
Thank you Brian for saying you don’t believe that about Nathan. Only because I love these childish Stanatics who always go there & seem to forget that the very same “rag” newspaper said that Stana was the cause of James Brolin & Barbra Streisand’s break-up. They’re not broken up & Nathan is surely not a diva!
First off; Katic is in real life – married! Secondly, she is getting old at 37 years of age! And that does not do it for today’s young crowd viewers (18-34 age grouping) Prime Advertising group!
This guy’s a troll.
exactly!
GUYS! He’s a Stanatic, his previous posts on Castle always been hate towards Fillion and that’s what he’s wanting right now too!
WOW! Such a cheap move from you man! Seriously! You’re a crazy stanatic, I thought that before, know it now! Want guys to start saying things to Fillion! I have seen your comments on previous posts, like the 3XK ones, you have said you like Beckett more, Fillion should be kicked off the show, bla bla! You’re a complete example of how moronic fans have become to degrade the other co star!
Fantastic news! Great writer. Some of my favorite episodes are his. Here’s hoping he can win back some fans that Milmar and Amann have alienated. And he ends the “Season of Castle” experiment.
Praying Katic doesn’t come back. Please just leave without any drama.
If she doesn’t come back full-time, there will definitely be drama, no matter how it’s spun.
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But it is interesting that the haggling has gone on this long…
Perhaps the reason why her negotiations are taking so long is because she’s holding out for her other two co stars? Just a thought, sounds like something she would do. She’s least diva person there is.
I don’t know. That wouldn’t surprise me, but I kind of think this is one of those “every actor for themselves” situations.
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Crazy to think that such a quietly successful and unassuming show, with virtually major drama, has been infused with it randomly over the last couple years.
… with virtually NO drama…
Interesting how I was hoping Nathan wouldn’t come back and then they could do a spin off…Beckett and the boys.
Jo, I’m sorry but your comment is just ludicrous. The show is about c and b, you can’t expect there not to be drama if one of the leads us not back.
Sorry but you and some others here that are saying Beckett shouldn’t be back are trolls. I don’t believe you even watch the show bc how would a fan want one of the leads gone?? Lol…this same thing happened at the end of season 3, after she got shot. And those fans who said it were bitter disgruntled firefly fans. Yeah imagine that…they still haven’t got a life. You one of them Jo?
Firefly was good but you know what it ended and I moved on and castle is good but only with both leads intact. Stana better stay. Abc give her what she wants or youre gonna loose a majority of the fanbase.
HAHAHA Tina…good one! 😄
That’s what I was thinking about Jo too:) sounds like a bitter chick.
No Stana or Nathan means no show. It’s both one none for me. I like Nathan but I’m not obsessed with him as “ahem” some here..cough “Jo” cough…haha
I can’t imagine this show without Stana. I loved the Blue Butterfly though, so hopefully more unique episodes like that.
If not for Nathan Fillion i would have stopped watching this show….well TBH i’d probably have never started but still. Damn. I watch the episodes and feel no spark, no chemistry, the mysterious aren’t mysterious, the cases are boring, this show is a shell of what it once was.
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Cut the series order to 13-16 episodes, sign Stana on, have season 8 be the last and have the show-runner/writers write every episode before they start shooting so they can get it just right with no filler and no lose ends left open-ended.
It’s because of Fillion that I almost stopped watching the show. Who do you think is partly responsible for the lack of spark and chemistry between the two leads? It’s almost always Katic’s Beckett that initiates the action between them. She’s the one who reaches out to touch his arm or kisses him hello-goodbye. NF is practically wooden most of the time. Let’s hope ABC can get her back on board and the new showrunner(s?) can spice up their interactions again.
You are right except it being Fillion’s fault. We dont know that per-se. The actors have to act the scenes out how they are written. He doesnt control who touches or kisses who first.
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In interviews and panels Nathan always talks about the other cast members and their characters (Alexis, Martha, Espo, Ryan, etc) and rarely Beckett. Compare that to Stana who when she talks about Castle and Beckett she gets giggly and blushes and says she wants them to have a ton of kids and passionate scenes and to be affectionate etc.
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I will always think something is going on BTS that we dont know about regarding them. This show had such HUGE potential but the writing and lack of lead chemistry really ruined it.
All I’ll say if something did happen bts then we can see who’s the bigger person. Stana is obviously over it and has moved on but Nathan is acting like a jilted lover. He needs to grow up if that’s the case.
And might I add how smart SK is in handling these rumors bc they way she acts indirectly tells fans that if there was issued, then it’s on him. Bc she still talks abt all with no weirdness. So she essentially indirectly saying…ok see for yourself who is the drama queen”…” It’s not me”…smart lady isn’t it.
He still looks like the one with the issue at the end of the day…not her…she wins…she gets publicity and the victim card…she chose the right way to handle rumors, he didn’t.
Please talk smart about TV, everyone. Speculating about tabloid-like gossip =/= smart. Thanks much!
I dont know about any of that, i just know its weird and their interviews/panels are weird and i feel no chemistry anymore (for multiple seasons now) and for a show ALL about two peoples chemistry and love/passion for each other…it sure is weak in that department (could be on the direction and writers or on Nathan and Stana, idk).
Someone used the words ‘smart’ and ‘TV’ in the same sentence ;]
You wrote: “You are right except it being Fillion’s fault. We dont know that per-se. The actors have to act the scenes out how they are written. He doesnt control who touches or kisses who first.”
I beg to differ. I said “partly” his fault. By that I mean an actor, any actor, brings something to the written word — how he/she says a line, how he/she looks at another character, how he/she touches another character, etc. within the confines of the script and director’s view. In the last episode, the dancing between them while Carly Rae Jepsen (sp?) sang was scripted but only in the barest terms. TPW tweeted that he wrote C&B dance while Carly sings (paraphrase). It was up to the actors to carry it out. This is true of many scenes in a script.
Yeah that falls under “chemistry” to me. A script can say “look longingly into each others eyes” but if you watch that on a screen (TV, movie screen) and you don’t see passion, chemistry…two people looking at each other believably in love, then that is a lack of chemistry.
To me their chemistry is off (though i feel it more off on Nathan’s part than Stana) but in a bigger way i feel like the writing is off. If they are writing all of this cheek kisses and what not (old married couple stuff) then they arent good writers given this shows genre.
I can agree with that, m3rcnate. For the most part in the past one and a half seasons, the writing has been off and the chemistry has been off. All I’m saying is that some of the latter is the fault of the actors, and I agree with you, more Nathan’s than Stana’s. Take any recent episode and look at how often she looks at him versus he looks at her or she touches him versus he touches her. It’s so off balance, it’s weird.
I watch Castle in spite of him most of the time, certainly since S5, and won’t be bothering to look up any of his future projects once Castle finally ends.
Fillion’s only watchable when he plays opposite Katic, that’s why I never bother tuning in to his centric episodes.
Did you ever think to Watch something else? I like Castle it`s a good show, why do you think ABC renew? Stana is a very good actress and she`ll be back.How can you be so negative? Change the chanel and Watch the Muppets show.
Lol typical lame response. Just because someone has critiques and doesnt like certain parts of a show doesnt mean they should quit watching and dont enjoy other parts of the show. I have problems with most shows i watch, very few have been borderline or completely perfect.
Lol Stana will be back? You’re positive? Dont stick your head in the sand and be such a fanatic as to just assume stuff you dont know anything about. She just got married, maybe she doesnt find the show interesting enough anymore and wants to enjoy her new marriage and get pregnant. You dont know, you dont know her.
Neither do you. So, as long as we’re both making random assumptions maybe she wants to give up acting to become a dental hygienist in Jackson Hole that moonlights as the MC for an all male burlesque show. You can’t say with 100% certainty that its not true.
OMG, this is excellent! I especially like the MC career choice. :)
No i don’t either, but i never said she wouldn’t be coming back, or that she would, because i don’t know her and don’t know for a fact either way. Random assumptions? Lol connecting the dots of she just got married and publicly said this in November: “If the character is complete, if there is nowhere else to go creatively, then I think it’s better to stop when you’re on top…. [F]or me it’s about art over finance, and as long as we’re creating something that is compelling and that has somewhere to go, then we’re good to go. And when we find that we’re not… then it’s time for everyone to pack up and move onto the next thing.”
So obviously the show wrapping up is on her mind and she knows when to pull the plug.
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I also know for a fact (not random) how the female body works. IF she does want kids, she needs to get on that right away. She just got married and is 37 with no kids, maybe she doesn’t want any so no big deal, but IF she does, that’s not something you put off. Google a female fertility chart and look at how the fertility level of a woman plummets once they hit 35 years old.
I don’t think Castle’s renewal has anything with it being a good show. I think its common sense that it was a business decision and not based on quality. If renewal decisions were based on show quality/writing, etc., Castle would probably have been cancelled a long time ago.
This is great news!!!
Hopefully he can bring some of the creativity back into this show and improve the writing, maybe change up the boring, predictable format a bit.. The show has been sucking for a long time now. I’m still two episodes behind and I just watched the resolution to Castle’s missing storyline….One of the worst episodes I’ve seen of the show and one of the worst writing I’ve seen on maybe all of television. It was so stupid and badly done. Al Qaeda? Did they want to make us laugh? And it was such a disappointment after having to suffer through a waste of an episode (basically filler) devoted to Ryan. I’m sorry, but I don’t think the supporting cast of this show are strong enough or good enough to carry episodes on their own. Many of them are annoying enough really as supporting characters (i.e. Esposito, Ryan), let alone having whole episodes devoted to them. Anyway, new showrunner is basically pointless if they can’t get Stana Katic back on. She is essential to this show as this season has shown that they have no idea how to write a decent story for the main character himself.
“Anyway, new showrunner is basically pointless if they can’t get Stana Katic back on. She is essential to this show as this season has shown that they have no idea how to write a decent story for the main character himself.”
Exactly
I hope this “season of Richard Castle” is put to rest once and for all. If it continues into the new season, with or without Beckett, I won’t watch and I never thought I’d say that. I’m so disinterested in Castle the character after this season that I wouldn’t have been displeased to learn that the show was going on without NF but with SK in a revamped show “Beckett and the Boys.”
I always thought it’d be fun to do a summer series called “Ryan & Esposito.” Like a real fun buddy cop series like Nash Bridges…or even Cagney & Lacey
Great idea! I like the two of them together and apart. Jon and Seamus are both excellent actors when given a chance and certainly fun together. Not to mention Cagney and Lacey was another one of my all-time favorite shows.
Christ you’re an idiot
Do you know what hyperbole is? Get a grip, carbono.
I like this news. The eps he wrote IMO were very good. Maybe he can satisfy the unhappy Castle fans. To me the show is still entertaining, and that’s what I watch TV for, to be entertained.
2 of the 3 mentioned episodes are among my favorites, so this should be good. And I might be in the minority, but I really hope Stana stays for s8. Sure, the last season has not been the best with regards to Castle & Beckett’s relationship (to me it felt slightly forced) but that doesn’t change that I think they’re still one of the best couples on TV and that Stana’s one helluva actress. For me that’s more than enough to hope for another season of Castle AND Beckett.
This is great news! He’s written some of my favorite episodes. I still can’t imagine having any desire to watch if Stana Katic doesn’t return though. Is it normal to hear about negotiations taking this long? Ugh!!!
Tbh, I’m torn between wanting SK to re-sign… On one hand, i want to stop watching but on the other, knowing that they’ll ruin C&B (more) if she doesn’t come back will make me sad.
Knew it.
Nice :)
One of the worst decisions posible. TPW is another Amann like stooge that will follow AWM lead.
You don’t know that. At least give the man a chance.
Really. During all the tweet sessions with the writers this past season TPW was cheerleading along with the rest AWM and the story lines this season. This show needed an outsider to show there was the possibility of a new direction because as of now the show is bereft of ideas.
Not at all! You’re only saying that because he’s been on staff for a while. He’s going to be great as long as ABC brings both Jon Huertas and Seamus Dever back.
Ooops. Those are the episodes my husband didn’t like. Hopefully, he will let others write the stories, while he manages.
SF like NF no longer want 60 hr work weeks and wants the max contract. The direction of the series could be corrected by returning to season one when RC was central, and before he became a buffoon.
I was hoping for a show runner with a new fresh direction and set of ideas. Especially after that cluster f— of the 7th season.
No Stana = no show. Unless they breakup and he moves to LA to get over a broken heart or something. I can’t see him hanging around the Precinct working cases with Espo and Ryan.
Castle? Best show ever despite all the bad very bad comments. Instead telling such bad comments, don`t Watch it, that`s all.
Amen to that!!
I do find it interesting that her negotiations have dragged on so long, but if they are still at the table they might be close to getting it done. It would be a very different show without her because even though Nathan is the name on the show Stana is the detective. Would Castle just go back to being a P.I. ? I don’t think that will work but you never know. This show is based on them being crime fighters and a couple and take one of them away and it wont work.
That would depend on how well written the story is Good absorbing stories trump everything. Even a change in vocation.
TPW has written some great episodes. Examples Cops and Robbers, Anatomy of a Murder, Dead from New York, Veritas (co wrote with Rob Hanning) The Blue Butterfly. He has written some great Castle and Beckett interaction over the years. The show is in good hands. Restore the show to what it once was in seasons 1-3.
I want to be excited about TPW taking over as showrunner. He’s written some of my favorite episodes, especially Veritas. But I can’t be excited about it until we know Stana will be back. Without her, I won’t even stick around to see what Winter does with it.
Very true for me too.
Season 7 being the season of Castle is a misnomer IMO- it was a season of disconnected FILLER. The few actual Castlecentric episodes – in particular- Sleeper – were completely laughable. Al Queda? REEEEAAALLLYYY? Can you say convoluted? What was so awfulthat he didn’t want to remember? The storyline explaining his disappearance b/c he was so embarrassed. As for SKs return? With or without her the show is in big trouble due to the abandonment of the very premise that made it different from other COW shows. The chemistry that fans fell for when it began has been nonexistent since mid season 5. They do not act like a married couple most episodes- sometimes it’s hard to tell if they even like one another. I like both characters and would hate to see either go – I can admit that NF seems to have been phoning it in over the last season or so and SK uses the same five expressions in every episode. I guess my opinion is this… If you sign your contract and cash your check, show the heck up and do the job you agreed to do. If you have personal issues, be an adult and get over it. I’m truly ambivalent about the show coming back. It’s got a permanent place in my heart, but if that jumping shark hasn’t already made his move – he’s damn close.
Couldn’t agree more! Season on Castle? What do we know now that we didn’t before?!? After seasons & seasons of Beckett, including a season on interwoven therapy we get amnesia n Sleeper? It made no sense, it was awful writing. The whole show fell off the rails years ago. I do my job professionally, I expect the same from actors & writers – I have been let down. Chemistry? What chemistry? There was some years ago, but it’s gone now. Either the actors don’t deliver, or the writers don’t ask for it. Either way… TPW just ensure more of the same, another of the previous showrunner’s personal flying monkey’s. Abandon all hope ye who enter here. It’s done, I’s stuck a fork in my DVR play list. And that’s why t was a bubble show – too many former fans like me turned off by the guppy faced & puffy faced drivel delivery system this show became.
Well, I’m not in agreement with all your comments, but I love your name! BoboTheRaven–great!!!!
TPW can’t do much good if the leads aren’t back. This isn’t exciting news, Stana needs to be on board first…then we can get to the show runner. What difference does it make who the show runner is. However good he is, without the original cast and female lead the show is as good as dead.
And on another note, am I the only one a little peeved and annoyed with nathans tweet about rejoicing for season 8? I mean his co star hasn’t signed, Ryan and espo may be recast and he’s telling us to relax. Newsflash…it’s not just about you Nathan. It’s like he doesn’t care what happens to them, we must rejoice bc he is back. We watch for all the cast and the work they do. I know it’s his title name on the show but I thought it was rather insensitive of him. Fans will be happy when both leads are back and the rest of the cast. I don’t know, maybe it wasn’t his intention but it just came off insensitive.
I would love a Ryan and Espo recast. Or bring on some brand new supporting characters all together and get rid of those two. The show needs some fresh meat.
Well, he doesn’t seem like a sensitive person. Don’t be surprised there.
Yeah his tweet bothered me too … Maybe he knows it’s only a matter of time for his costars, I want to believe he wouldn’t have signed if he wasn’t sure of it.
Jeez, talk about over sensitive. He’s happy because his show got renewed. He doesn’t have to take into consideration that Stana hasn’t signed on yet when tweeting his own happiness.
No you’re right, he doesn’t have to, but it would have been nice if he did.
It just shows that he’s happy to continue on with or without his co stars- Stana, Seamus and Jon. Money wins. Not a nice image to portray even if it is true.
Plus he should know fans want both, so a tweet like that is like rubbing salt to a wound, bc we don’t know anything. Unless he really does think he is the only reason people watch, and his involvement is enough for us to be happy. Well it’s not.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Nathan but I don’t have to agree with everything he tweets. I’m not a gullible fanboy.
Why should he? He’s talking to people who are fans of the show? And any normal fan of the show would rejoice that the show has been renewed, given that the news about it being on the bubble has been around for months. But people just want a reason to complain.
I agree with you but I never thought he was Mr. Nice.
He could have been more careful with his wording if all he was doing was conveying his own happiness to continue in the role. But the words he used suggested that we should rejoice just knowing the limited, confirmed info out there.
If you are a fan of the show and not just one of the actors, why wouldn’t you rejoice at the news that show has been renewed????
But that’s the thing, if you are a fan of the show and not just Nathan, you can’t “relax” if you don’t know if the 3 others will be back.
Well, the show being renewed is the first step isn’t it? When I heard the news and saw NF’s twitter, the first though that came in my head is, great, now that the show’s renewed, that must mean the actors will be coming back. But you guys like to twist the meaning of the words to find a way to complain and criticize for no reason what so ever. Given that the show was down in the ratings and people were worried that it could get canned, would fans first rejoice that the show has been renewed?
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Plus no renewal and all “the actors” are out on the street. So that’s No. 1 to be happy about.
Agree. I found it a bit insensitive as well. If he’s not aware of the status of the others or knows some/all are not coming back, he comes off narcissistic. If he knows they are all coming back, he has to realize that we fans cannot know that. Telling us to rejoice when all we know for sure is the renewal, his re-signing, and possibly TPW as the new showrunner is really presumptuous.
Exactly, and his firefly groupies wonder why the Nate hate at times. There. Loud and clear.
Presumptuous is the word here.
Whilst I don’t condone hating him, I don’t like some things he does. If he’s wrong, I’ll call it.
He has a right to tweet what he wants and he’s happy, that’s great. But some sensitivity wouldn’t have hurt.
Oh I’m so tired of their “Nathan is a martyr hated by everybody while Stana can’t do anything wrong for some” Dudes you’re doing the exact same thing in the other way ! He can do and say anything and you’ll be okay with that !
What exactly did he say? That fans should rejoice that the show has been renewed! Yes, that’s such a selfish thing to say. Lets throw him into a fire pit!
I wasn’t specifically talking about his tweet. I have nothing against Nathan, I must be one of the few to like them both, I just found the hypocrisy of some of his fans ridiculous.
Truth is that you guys are just massively oversensitive. Any normal fan of the show would be very happy at the news of the show’s renewal. And that’s pretty much exactly what NF said. But you guys twist the meaning of the words to make it seem self serving when its anything but that.
Any normal fan of the show wouldn’t be happy at the news of the show’s renewal until they heard they’ve signed the rest of the cast. Castle is not the Nathan show, they’re a team and unless you’re just here for Nathan you’ll understand this.
Yeah, regardless of what he may know that the general public doesn’t, Nathan Fillion encouraging “Castle” fans to relax and rejoice while questions are still out there was self-serving.
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But also not totally surprising. Not worth a riot, but definitely a raised eyebrow.
Nicely worded Jot.
He should have said ” firefly” fans instead of castle because they are the only ones who watch just for him.
“Castle” fans watch for all specifically castle and Beckett. Hence he should know that ” castle” fans will not rejoice without one of our leads.
Yes, because no true ‘Castle’ fan should rejoice at the news that the show they love got renewed should they???
Yes, because telling the fans to be happy about the show being renewed is such a selfish and self-serving thing to say. How presumptive of him to think that fans of the show should be happy that the show got renewed!!!! Very bad indeed!
Dude. You’ve had about six of seven people explain why his tweet was less than kosher. You can reply to everyone with your one-dimensional argument all you want, and it’s not gonna change how other humans feel.
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But please don’t let that stop you.
Preach
I am replying because all the explanations are just BS and just another symptom of people just looking to complain about something or another without any basis what so ever.
Good God you people are f**king unbelievable–a show gets renewed and someone tweets they are happy about it–Forever wasn’t given that chance at all–listening to all these complaints and conspiracy theories over who is more important is pitiful. I wish Castle had been put out of it’s misery–which is what half of you are saying because of your hatred over one star or the other–and Forever was given the spot. Raise your stupid eyebrows over that…SMDH
But that’s the point. Nathan didn’t say he was happy. He told us — the show’s fans — to rejoice over half-assed news. If you read the comments, and stop reading into the comments to see your “conspiracies,” you’d realize most of us “complainers” can’t think about rejoicing until we know the show we love is back…not just a show with NF and the same name. Moreover, except for a few posters here, no one has indicated “hatred” of one star over the other, a preference, yes, but not hatred. And of the posters who have indicated extreme dislike, more are anti-SK than anti-NF.
As for Forever, that is a huge shame. It was just getting its legs in the second half of the season. I really enjoyed it from the beginning.
CastleBuzz, he said to rejoice over news of a season 8 renewal. For fans of the show, this should be reason for rejoice, because its a strong indicator that the remaining cast will get signed up. But you seem to take it in the negative context for no good reason.
“Not worth a riot, but definitely a raised eyebrow.” ……Nicely put!
Without the renewal they’re ALL out if jobs.
So that’s a necessity that should be welcomed.
The Blue Butterfly is my favorite episode!
I think everyone needs to come back for the show to be great. Even Alexis and I despise her character. I thought the castle and Alexis episode was terrible.
Great I’m not the only one then. Thought I was being silly when I read his tweet, but I really didn’t like it.
That’s why PR is so important, doesn’t matter what his intentions were, yeah he may already know about Stanas contract etc but, the public does not and his tweet made him look self centered.
No offense to Nathan, but the show is not HIM, it’s him and Stana…and the rest. Not sure what’s gonna happen, but if Stana is not back, neither am I.
I have to say some of the Castle fans are the worst! Judging by some of the comments, apparently Nathan Fillion can’t even be happy on twitter that his show got renewed without taking into consideration that Stana hasn’t officially signed on yet. To those people I say, WTF is wrong with you? Just because some of you are worried about Stana’s contract doesn’t mean he can’t be happy to continue the show. There are fans who watch the show for Nathan too you know.
I don’t think anyone is saying that he shouldn’t be happy to have the show renewed or that he shouldn’t express that happiness on Twitter or anywhere else. I think what some of us objected to was him telling US to rejoice when we don’t know what’s going on with his co-stars. It’s premature.
And tell me, why shouldn’t a fan of the show be happy on the news that the show has been renewed. Bare in mind I said fan of the show. People who only care about one actor or another are not fans of the show. Normal fans would rejoice when an announcement is made of a show’s renewal.
Actually that is what everyone is saying…we ARE fans of the SHOW but him, that’s why we can’t rejoice bc the show consists of 2 leads and 1 has not signed!
It’s not a Nathan vs Stana case…it’s Castle as a whole…the show…
Well, why shouldn’t you be happy that the show has gotten renewed in the first place? If you were fans of the show and not individual actors then you would rejoice that the show has been renewed and this is a strong indication that the actors are coming back. Instead you guys twist words to have double and self-serving meanings just so you guys can complain and criticize.
Exactly, Gina.
As for you, ndixit, you’ve been answered repeatedly but refuse to understand.
CastleBuzz, all you guys have said is that you enjoy taking an innocent tweet and twisting its meaning for the sake of controversy. Its not a new thing on this board. I am just pointing it out for the first time.
First time? More like the zillionth time. All we’re saying is that we’re not ready to rejoice until we know the full story. That doesn’t make us abnormal or twisted-minded or controversy-loving. If you can rejoice, be my guest. But, please, for the sake of our sanity, let this be the end of this discussion!
You still don’t get it! And that’s why I keep trying to emphasize it. You don’t want to rejoice, don’t rejoice. But there are fans who are happy that the show got renewed and Nathan’s tweet is directed towards them. Its not insensitive of him to say that people should be happy that the show has been renewed.
Some cast stick together for things like this : Bones, TBBT or the best example Friends where the actors decided to renew their contract only if they were all coming back and paid equally … But yes, he can be happy…
True…David and Emily had a pact and it benefitted both.
Stana and Nathan…a mess. They should’ve banded. And even if they didn’t, at least wait for all to be on board before throwing out the celebratory wishes and popping champagne. I think the rest of the cast deserve that much.
I thought I had read something somewhere last fall that SK and NF were going to work together on the contract issue. Perhaps that was just a rumor or maybe it fell through. I was surprised, though, when Nathan’s renewal was announced so much in advance of any of the others.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the cast or the status of the contract. Why shouldn’t a fan of the show rejoice on the news that the show has been renewed? There are millions of shows where actors negotiate separately. Are we going to blame all those actors now? Its just utter BS in my opinion.
Of course people watch for him. No one is denying that. It was just the timing of the tweet.
But most watch for both. So whilst he may not see it, as fans they are viewed as a package. Not one without the other. And the fact that the ” other” has still not signed, it’s tad presumptuous to think all fans should rejoice. How can we when the show may return completely different to what we know off for 7 seasons? How can we when our fav duo may not exist anymore?
Nathan is happy, good for him. But that tweet just felt wrong. Not gonna crucify him for it but I’m of the opinion that he should’ve waited.
How about being fans of the show rather than being fans of an actor. Because that’s all people seem to care about here. Stana vs Nathan is all people talk about here. Why would a fan of the show rejoice that their show has been renewed? It has absolutely nothing to do with the contract status of the actors.
Can’t agree with that when in this case the show is so closely associated with the actors. Castle, the show, is Castle and Beckett, a writer and his muse and they in turn are Fillion and Katic. Without both, you don’t have the same show. I love the show, I love the premise of the show, I love this duo in the show.
But the point is, why is this tweet mean anything self-serving. All he said is that people should rejoice and relax that the show has been renewed. Why do people think this means that he’s saying “Oh well!, I am the only one that’s important anyways, so relax”, instead of “Relax guys, the show has been renewed so everything will be worked out”. The reason is because some people on this board just look to find reasons to complain. There is no basis to criticize NF’s response which is meant to be reassuring to the fans of the show, but people twist it into something so they can criticize him about it and that’s what I really hate about some of the Castle fans on this board. It isn’t the first time I read these sort of things either.
According to TVGuide, Stana Katic got married to her long-time boyfriend Kris Brkljac just a couple of weekends ago. So for all we know she might have been tied up with wedding/honeymoon stuff and that’s why she hasn’t signed a new contract yet.
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I’m sure she will be back. I cannot see them trying to do the show without her. The show may be called Castle, but it resolves around the two of them together as partners. They’re both needed to make the show work.
She’s actually now in Jordan filming a movie directed by Amin Matalqa. She does get around! Negotiations are done by her reps, who would know what her bottom line is (financially and creatively) and are likely in touch with her about every detail.
There is no Castle tv show without Nathan’s Castle and Stana’s Beckett. Both actors (and their tv characters) are needed to have season 8 be successful. There’s no way around that.
If you happen to be reading this, ABC, I haven’t missed a week since the Mal Reynolds appearance in S2. I’m done if Stana isn’t back. Give the woman her money.
If you had read everything that was printed after 6.23 you might be able to semi understand the lack trust in team Marlowe, and some of the stuff appearing on this page now. I personally was looking forward to a clean slate of writers, but having the author of “veritas” seems like an encouraging start, although certain factions of the fan base won’t give himuch slack.
No Stana, no show.
Sorry Nate, I love you man, but I’m a dude, I need my Stana fix Monday nights to watch this show.
Kickass Beckett is a must.
Castle will never work without Stana. The show has always been centered around Caskett, and more than half of the fans tune in because of them/their chemistry together. If Stana won’t sign for another season, then I think it’s better to cancel the show altogether.
I do wonder why Katic and Fillion didn’t negotiate together. Like Galecki and Parsons negotiating with Cuoco-Sweeting, it would have given Stana some power. He had to know that, as the show is called “Castle,” he has more might in these negotiations than she does.
Because they are not friends, they are colleagues.
Even among colleagues it’s common — Robert Downey, Jr., using his power to get raises for the rest of the Avengers. Or the West Wing working together so that everyone had the same salary. Unless by “colleagues” you mean, “two people who work together and can’t stand one another” — in which case it makes sense.
Hah! Didn’t want to say it out loud…thought the not friends comment would be enough.
I obviously don’t know if you have inside sources or not but it’s hard to believe there isn’t something to the rumors following that.
I wish I knew what triggered the TVLINE comment system gremlins to eat posts so I could avoid those triggers at all costs…
:[ or :] ?
Grrr…
ah, that would be a :[ Got it. Ya know, it would be nice to go back to when folks used a red pen and edited, corrected, crossed stuff out, etc, so there might be some feedback–not happening I guess. I used to lose lots of posts, but don’t so much anymore. Rule of thumb: don’t say anything about the fat guy. :) We’ll see if this sees the light of day.
I can’t figure out why some posts get eaten. Or why they don’t post after multiple attempts. Oh well.
So-you don’t think they’re ‘screened out’? That’s what I always assumed, someone reading them or key wording–would Matt need to be up 24/7 tho?
I’m glad I’m not alone. I hate it. It’s constantly been happening on this site since they switched the new last year format. It stopped for a while and then all of a sudden started eating up so many of my comments and telling me my comment is a duplicate when I try reposting even though the first one doesn’t show up. It’s really frustrating, especially after you spend time typing your comment. Sometimes I just give up. TVLine staff, you guys should really look into this issue.
Do you type your posts on your phone? That’s my primary mode or commenting here, and has been for some time. I wonder if that’s part of the issue.
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The new pop-ups on mobile devices and autoplay of phantom ads on Macs has also been a problem.
Not usually, I typically comment using my laptop (only occasionally on my phone). This sit on a phone takes forever to find my comment if I want to reply back because the comments shift to the right which makes it take longer to keep scrolling down. I think it’s happened on both devices though but a lot more on my laptop. Could it be Chrome? That’s the main browser I use. I don’t know, it’s some sort of glitch. It’s really annoying. It never used to happen to me when they had the older website format. I’ve tried commenting about this issue before, but even those posts get eaten up most of the time.
I just lost a post for the first time. Decided to reenter my email address and name to see if that would help after writing out the post again and it did. Try it. Maybe the login time is limited.
Thanks for the suggestion! I’ll try it.
Castle has been in serious decline for more than two seasons. This season has been so poorly conceived and executed that ABC should clean some of its own house for allowing this to go on. The “season of Castle” has been a huge disappointment to me because there has not been any story line consistency or development. The interaction between Castle and Beckett has been flat, if it has been there at all. The interruptions and clawing at each other has been juvenile. For some reason unknown to me, the “chemistry” between Fillion and Katic that was front and center in earlier seasons has been essentially nonexistent this season due to both the writing and probably their own acting. If this had been season one it would be series done. If Stana chooses to move on then I wish her well. As for Castle without her, given how poorly she, as well as the rest of the cast (including Nathan), has been used this season, perhaps Terence Paul Winter can breath some new life into the show by better use of the remaining cast and by adding a new character or two. It would be good enough for one final season. Maybe that is what ABC wants.
I have to shake my head at the craziness of some of the commenters. When I read NF’s tweet to relax and rejoice now that the season 8 has been renewed, I read it it as him saying “relax guys! The network has renewed the show so that means everything will be worked out. Don’t worry!”, but because people like twisting his words just for the sake of complaining, its as if he’s saying “relax guys, I’m the only one that matters now that season 8 is renewed”.
Ok you’re repeating your same comment everywhere. People are allowed to not kowtow to everything Fillion does or says. He’s not God, though some crazy fans call him that.
Why do you feel the need to justify his tweet. He made it, some took it one way, some took it another. So be it.
The fact is like many others here have told you, we as ” castle” fans can’t really rejoice if Stana is not returning can we??! Or if the entire premise of the show we love is changing can we?!
Can you at least understand that? And try and understand why we felt that was not his best moment. Geez.
Well, that just proves to me that you guys aren’t actually ‘Castle’ fans. And I make the point again and again because people find ridiculous reasons to complain. You guys can’t rejoice without knowing whether Stana has signed, that’s fine. But why criticize a guy for making a comment which is basically meant to reassure people who aren’t crazy paranoid like you. My point is that people here always use ridiculous excuses to complain. There is nothing in his tweet that justifies him being called selfish and self-serving. All he said is that fans should be happy now that the show got renewed, but apparently that’s too much for some oversensitive fans.
What people are trying to say is that “Castle” hasn’t been renewed, “Cas—” has. So they can’t rejoice because they’re getting half what they are asking for.
And NF’s tweet is like he was a telling a kid who wanted ice-cream “stop whining, you should rejoice you have the cone!”
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He could have said “Yay! Castle’s back for a season 8” but he is being a little patronizing by telling the fans to rejoice. If he has to tell them to rejoice, it is that he knows they are not.
It’s like he’s saying “relax, I’m here, that’s all that matters”. That Castle=NF, when for most Castle=NF+SK(+JH+SD+MQ+SS).
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I’m saying this without any bias, I have a crush on NF, but I get why some people are pissed.
I love a mathematical equation! well done
Ditto that. Great analogy too with the ice cream cone!
Nathan’s not god as many think so? lol! Who has said that? Here actually it’s more like being the devil by people like you. :)
Exactly! Everything somehow becomes Nathan’s fault. When the news came out that Nathan had been signed, one of the first posts was that Nathan and ABC had thrown Stana under the bus. Just because Nathan had been signed on first. Not taking into account that Nathan is the more well known actor and the title character and ABC would obviously try and get him on board first. Castle threads are full of comments like that. People just use any excuse to complain and whine.
And what is it that you’re doing? Complaining and whining, over and over again, because some people think Nathan should have held off on or used different words in a post. From that minor criticism, you see hatred and conclude we’re saying “everything” is Nathan’s fault. That’s what’s unbelievable.
As far as who is more well known now after seven seasons, except for the Firefly contingent, I’d say the two leads are probably pretty equal on that score in the U.S. Internationally, I’d bet Stana has the edge.
Oh please! People can have opinions on who is the better actor and who is they more key character on the show, but it is a fact that Nathan Fillion is the more well known actor of the duo. What exactly has Stana Katic done outside of Castle that maker more well known internationally? That’s not a diss on Katic who I like quite a lot as an actress. But anyone who truly believes she is better known than Fillion is in serious denial. TNT even promotes the reruns of the show through the tagline, “Nathan Fillion is CASTLE”. Again, I am not getting into who is the better actor. That’s just a matter of opinion. But who is better known is a fact.
I got the impression that Stana’s better known internationally because 1) ABC has her do more promotion overseas than Nathan (I can’t recall when he’s done any for Castle), 2) she travels more extensively throughout Europe and Asia during hiatus than he does, and 3) she’s filmed several indies overseas (including one last summer in Italy and one currently in Jordan).
That’s your proof! That she has done some indies overseas that barely anyone has ever seen. She travels more overseas so she does more promotion overseas. Nathan is no big star but he is a bigger brand name. He has been in more commercially known projects than Stana, both in the U.S. and overseas. Like I said, TNT even uses his name as part of the tagline to promote the show’s reruns. I feel that Katic is just as important to the show as Nathan, but there’s no doubt to me that Nathan is the more well known face of the two.
I’m not claiming to have “proof” of who’s more famous. What part of “I’d bet” and it’s “my impression” don’t you understand? Those are qualifiers, similar to “in my opinion,” as explained by the three reasons I stated. I actually have a 4th reason — the number of articles featuring just Stana in overseas magazines compared to those on just Nathan. I’ve never seen or heard of one of the latter. TNT runs in the US. I don’t think it’s international so what it uses as a tagline is irrelevant. In the end, though, there’s no proof either way. I personally had never heard of either Nathan or Stana before Castle. Only in retrospect did I realize I had seen both before in the odd TV episode and Nathan in Saving Private Ryan.
Well I have followed Castle from the beginning, and Nathan Fillion was the guy the show was sold on. Neither actor is exactly a big star but Nathan has easily been in more commercially well known projects than Stana has. He has probably been in just as many magazine covers, if not more. I am just stating a fact. I am not trying to demean Stana in any way. But Fillion is a more well known face in the industry.
Addendum to Stana’s overseas popularity: The latest issue of the Serbian magazine “TV Revija” ( it’s like tv guide) has a gorgeous, full-size pic of her in a red dress on the cover. Inside is a two-page spread with another full-size photo and an article about her wedding and contract negotiations with a photo of her and Kris (husband) from a red carpet event a couple of years ago and small shot of her and Nathan.
When I was reading your comments, I read the “can we???” as Miranda’s Stevie saying “are we???”. Hilarious! (Any Miranda fans? *high five*)
I can understand what you are saying but others cannot..they need you to know that NF is not selfish! He is just happy that his show got renewed!!! Why are you making unnecessary drama!!!.. blah blah blah
Well I call it the way I see it. It is unnecessary drama by posters who just enjoy whining and complaining about every damn thing without any real justification.
LOL, Gina, over your comment about some fans thinking Fillion is God. I haven’t seen him called that, but on the ABC Castle Board he is referred to as the Patron Saint on the thread devoted to him. And the fans that post there are totally gaga about him.
Ahahaha I think we all get what you’re saying now. I just think we disagree with it. (Waiting for the “So Nathan can’t be happy that his show…” answer)
Why do you disagree with it? You have to be a particularly cynical person if you first view of the tweet is that he’s being self-serving! And that’s my point. I think you guys just enjoy complaining about everything. I see it after every Castle recap.
Ok nixdit, we are horrible cynical people okay? Happy? Now will stop going on abt this. People have their own opinions, they don’t need to share yours. If you can’t take others opinions, I’m thinking you’re the whining childish one here.
When did Fillion elect you as his warrior? Lol…i mean it’s getting silly how you’re attacking everyone who doesn’t share your opinion. All this drama just because we didn’t like his tweet. So what?
Well I’m talking about the trend I see on pretty much every Castle related article. A bunch of the same posters come out and try to pin every single problem or issue on NF for some reason. The point is that such posters just enjoy whining and complaining about nonsensical things. Takes completely innocent tweets and twist their meanings. Making assumptions about things that aren’t even true. And I find that highly irritating. Its funny how you accuse me of being Fillion’s warrior when all I’m doing is showing you the mirror about what your comments sound like.
Oh jeez we didn’t twist the meaning of his tweet which was to relax because Castle was renewed. We just said he could have been more sensitive since Stana, Jon and Seamus situations were still up in the air. That’s it. We didn’t insult him, we didn’t say he was the “devil” or anything.
The point is, why does he have to be so sensitive? Its not like he’s saying, “hey I’m the only one who matters, so who cares about the other actors”. If people really expect actor to parse their words so carefully, then I’m sorry but they are just oversensitive.
I don’t know, maybe because he had worked with these people for 7 years ? Because we still don’t know if the entire cast is going to be a part of this season 8 ?
So what? He’s not dissing the other cast members. He’s just telling the fans who were worried that the show would be cancelled, that they can relax and rejoice because the show has been renewed. Is that such a bad thing?
If you read the US weekly interview, you get the distinct impression MilMar have season 8 all laid out, and Winter is show runner without creative oversight, or in name only. That’s probably why an outside party wasn’t introduced.
That is disappointing, and kind takes the wind out of the sailed for next season.
I read that article. It seemed to be a compilation of older comments with a smattering of new. I don’t think MilMar are completely out of the picture, but I think, I hope, TPW will indeed show some backbone and get the show back to some of its former glory. His episodes this season were pretty good “classic” Castle with some nice Caskett moments. If SK re-signs, I’m certainly going to give Winter a chance and hope for the best.
I’ve loved Castle for years, but at this point it’s definitely a shell of its former self. Which is too bad because this was a great show for so long- until it wasn’t. I’m hoping TPW will bring it back to what it once was, and I have high hopes because he’s written some great EPs. Though I think it would be best for the show to persevere it’s great image (minus season 7) and maybe do a limited 13 episode final season with 8? I mean the show does well for the network (assuming) but the story just isn’t there. It be nice for them to finish up and give the show the ending it deserves while not pushing too far.
As for Stana, even though the show is called “Castle” it’s would be much much less with out her in it. For me, unwatchable. This was seen even just for her lessened screen time in 7. I think for her it’s also more about creative means, not money as she’s stated in interviews recently. Maybe she’s get’s that Castle isn’t wasn’t what it once was and the story is coming to an end.
If you read the US Weekly interview it sounds like more of the same old same old.ugh.
Wow, just read all the comments and I’m exchausted!!
I think most of this is due to impatient and anxious fans, and I dont mean that as an insult, I’m one of them!
My opinion – The show will not work without the four frontliners, Nathan, Stana, Jon and Seamus. I have never liked Penny as captain although I loved her in 24. Alexis’ script is tedious so unless she interns (again) I don’t see the point and Martha is a comical outlet that pops up so little that wouldn’t matter anyway.
Nathan ‘s comical acting is the only thing that is consistent his character acting otherwise has become wooden (re another post).
Nathan and Stana are not the best of friends, we all assume that but I just wish he would respect the show and the fans enough to make it work again, he needs this show, he won’t make it as a film lead so please accept that Stana Katic as Beckett is the reason for seasons 3 – 6 being such successes. The arc of her storylines were the best writing, acting and ratings for the show, so why doesn’t he realise that without one of them the show is pointless. Writers have more respect for the fans when it comes to romance and chemistry. Kisses on the cheeks and long lip kissing is pathetic for a couple that had us all begging for even a glance in the first 4 seasons and now after a few months marriage they only peck on the cheek, cmon please. Writers write it real
Actors act your asses off and hail season 8!!!
Alright, Wizard! (except Penny as Captain has grown on me and I would miss Martha)
I don’t really agree. The Beckett storyline became very shoddily written after season 3. I mean when you think about how lazy and crazy the writing was for the storyline. I mean they had three hitmen and a villainous presidential candidate who was also secretly a drug kingpin. It was all really ridiculous. Not mention, we never even found out how Beckett got freed from the murder charges in ‘Veritas’ since the evidence she found proved that Bracken was guilty of her mother’s murder, not that she was innocent of the murder of Simmons. The mythology writing went down the drain years ago. What has been sustaining the show has been the chemistry of the leads and the supporting cast and the humor. I really think that people overdo the complaints about the romance. I think they have generally done well this season as compared to season 6 where it became a recurring meme that whenever Castle and Beckett were about to kiss, Beckett’s phone would ring or they would get interrupted.
Well when you compared to Castle’s disappearance …
Well, like I said, the mythology writing on the show in general went completely down the dumps after season 3 and hasn’t recovered. The Castle disappearance story was just proof of how bad its gotten. But comparing very bad with terrible doesn’t make the Beckett storyline any less bad. It was still pretty badly written. Amateurish. They should have finished the storyline back in season 3 rather than drag it for another 3 years.
“Not mention, we never even found out how Beckett got freed from the murder charges in ‘Veritas’ since the evidence she found proved that Bracken was guilty of her mother’s murder, not that she was innocent of the murder of Simmons.”
. Wow, as often as I’ve watched Veritas, I have to confess that plot hole never occurred to me. Where was my mind? Probably so caught up in the drama of that episode, which it had in spades! Nice catch, but it doesn’t ruin the episode for me. Almost every ep has glaring plot holes. The question is whether it’s well written enough to allow the viewer to sweep them aside. And that’s up to the individual viewer. For me, In the Belly of the Beast and Veritas were so well done and acted, any plot holes fell by the wayside.
Well I feel the opposite. ‘In the Belly of the Beast’ was an awful episode. I felt the only point of the ep was to give Stana an acting exercise, which she performed very well. But as an episode, it was quite ridiculous. The whole Bracken being a secret drug kingpin while he’s running for President was such a stupid plot point that I couldn’t believe my eyes. Plus, I found it quite ridiculous that Beckett was the only cop they could find for an undercover Narcotics operation. As if they don’t have dozens of cops for that very reason. Not to mention, the episode not only had Castle and the others be completely useless, but it also robbed Beckett of any agency because she only ended up surviving because of Bracken’s mercy. ‘veritas’ was better because it was a more dynamic adventure but it also has some stupidities such as the convoluted way they came up with to fake Beckett’s suicide. The resolution was highly convenient and the evidence seemed a little flimsy to put away Bracken conclusively. And the plot hole was pretty massive. Given the crux of the episode was that Beckett was implicated for Simmons’ murder, it was a pretty big brain freeze of the writers to not even resolve how she was proven innocent. But honestly, at that point I was ready to overlook any number of flaws just because it finally ended this storyline that had been dragging for ages.
I hope season 8 has more Ryan and Esposito in it. They’re the main reason I watch thi show tbh..
Oh my…I’m tired just reading these posts. And Nixdit or whatever sounds cray cray. Fillion groupie much. Yikes.
Ok so here’s the deal, no Stana no deal. Pretty simple. Can’t care less who the new show runner is as long as Stana is back along with Jon and Seamus. Hopefully then with the awesome foursome this new show runner can actually dig Castle out if the ridiculous mess it got into this season. Season of Castle? Nope, written badly, portrayed poorly, overall train wreck.
Stana and Nathan are fantastic actors with magnetic chemistry. Use it. Give them good stories EQUALLY! Let them shine as a married couple…not to each their own. That just failed royally this season. My wife is a big fat huge fan and she skipped half the season. I’m telling you, coming from her…that tells a lot.
This was the most entertaining post of the whole thread. And I agree with you. :-)
Agree with you Dan (and that conversation with ‘he who shall not be named above’ is about to send me over the edge).
I have watched every episode of Castle, almost always on Mondays, rare exception and each episode many times along with everything else on the DVD’s. Season 6, saw all the episodes, only a few ‘rewatches’ though, as opposed to every other season, and now I haven’t seen this season’s episodes more than when they aired and, sigh, confession, didn’t watch the new episode at all and probably won’t. Guess I’ll watch the season 7 finale, probably, but that may be it.
I don’t know if some would consider me a ‘real’ fan, but guess I was. I’m probably done though. So I’m in your wife’s corner–too bad though, eh?
“Stana and Nathan are fantastic actors with magnetic chemistry. Use it. Give them good stories EQUALLY! Let them shine as a married couple…not to each their own. That just failed royally this season.” …………………….. a big fat YES to this!
You’re on point Dan. Agree with everything you’ve said.
It’s just pure lunacy on all parties if they think that a series that has been about 2 leads for 7 seasons can continue with 1 lead.
Lunacy on the part of ABC if they go ahead and do this, lunacy on the part of Nathan Fillion if he thinks he can carry the show and lunacy on the part of Stana Katic if she thinks her leaving won’t effect the show much.
Enough with the season of castle or Beckett nonsense. They’re a pair. Season of both, please, together. No one wants to see just castle or just Beckett doing their thing. Ratings and overflows of negative comments prove that. People want to see caskett doing their thing.
Ps, I laughed at the comment on your wife:)
I wonder if his wife did???!
I think the show needs to go back to it’s roots and have a new romantic interest for Richard Castle since Kate Beckett will not be a regular or killed off on Season 8! She supposedly wants the same money as Fillon.
Katic is 37 years old and that old for a leading female on TV these days! After all; the prime time advertisers group is the 18-34 age group! She is sort of over the hill now at 37 year old!
I sure the producers are getting a long of pressure from ABC to get someone younger too!
So you said above. You need to drag yourself into this century, man.
WOW! Such a cheap move from you man! Seriously! I have seen your comments on previous posts, like the 3XK ones, you have said you like Beckett more, Fillion should be kicked off the show, bla bla! You’re a complete example of how moronic fans have become to degrade the other co star!
Ndixit, if you’re still reading this, I want to say you’re my hero. And you have the patience of a saint! Pretty much the only voice of sanity in this thread. Fillion’s tweet telling fans to relax and rejoice over the confirmed show renewal was perfectly normal and nice and was taken in that way by all the normal fans. It’s very unfortunate that crazy haters who love to bash NF for no reason infiltrate these comment threads like groupies and have to respect for the truth or any of the actors involved, even SK, because they are bashing in her name.
Hoped there would be some smart comments here, but hardly any. TV Line comment thread is just a playground for bashers rather than any intelligent comment. And I hope TV Line mods stop the same people from posting over and over again using different aliases. Wouldn’t be surprised if crazies did that.
I meant no respect for the truth or any of the actors.
LOL over your calling yourself “Fair.” Just exactly how do you define that?
Must just be me.. But Stana went off grid and got married. She has had very few posts in social media, except to thank the well wishers of her nuptials. She is allowed a honeymoon outside of the fray of Hollywood. They have not aired the finale yet, which I’m guessing will leave things hanging a bit and there is going to be some kind of new Beckett mythology. The lack of reveal of contracts makes this week’s episode more “must see,” no? Knowing Nathan signed eased the doubt and now we have the season 8 renewal locked in. Mission accomplished, yes?
I know I’ll be watching live.
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As for the future.. I hope because there are already talks about a Bracken story line, actually finding out what really happened to Castle during his disappearance (not skirting around it as they did this season) and that the show has been and will always be about this epic love story (with some crime solving taking place), that the fans are worrying for nothing.
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TPWinter wrote or co-wrote a lot of the best Casketty episodes (even just the ones that highlighted their chemistry if not them actually being a couple) over the 7 seasons so far.. So I have faith he will do well and that the show will remain the same, even if there are some casting shake-ups.
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I hope there is a full season and if Stana only signs for 13 episodes, they spend the first few episodes in total flashback and we pick up where Rick was driving to the wedding and we see all that happened during the 2 months. If written well it could be compelling and they can splice in the montage scenes on her searching for him.
Wow, a voice of reason. Thank you, DD. Like your ideas overall, especially about finding out what happened during those two months. I just saw the comments about the Bracken storyline elsewhere and had similar thoughts. I for one always believed that Bracken should have been involved in Rick’s disappearance. Revenge is a super strong motive. The nonsense we were fed in Sleeper was so far out of left field it had nothing to do with the previous 148 episodes. And, yes, if Stana’s back then I think TPW and AH will definitely improve the Caskett chemistry.
The biggest issue I’ve had with the show is that it has become mind-numbingly formulaic. For all intents and purposes, its basically been the same episode every week with a different cast of characters, and its obvious they are running out of murder-of-the-week ideas. I thought the P.I. story arc had potential to shake things up a bit and bring a much needed change to the show, but they abandoned that pretty quickly. I have been watching the show faithfully since its debut, but unless the new show runner brings something truly different to the table, I’d rather see it end.
“Mind-numbingly formulaic”. That is it. I can’t stand it anymore. Murder – loft scene about nothing important – dialog continues on walk to crime scene – back to precinct – on location to meet 1st suspect – interrogation – false accusation 1 – loft scene (continued conversation about non important issue) – false accusation 2 – false accusation 3 – real murderer – loft scene (end conversation about non important issue)
I could write an episode like that! It’s like they are not trying anymore.
They used to mix really well plot A and plot B. Now, it’s like 2 different stories and they edited them into each other. I don’t know a lot of people who watch for plot A (case of the week) which takes up 90% of screentime. The plot B (CB relationship most of the time) has become boring (font on invitations, wedding venue, who to invite to the wedding etc…), non related to plot A, not exciting.
The good thing is when I rewatch episodes, I watch the beginning, the middle and the end and I don’t miss a thing!
Ok, fans of Castle. I think we can all agree that the writers are the ones to blame for season 7 and not the actors/actress. The cast can only do so much with what they are given. I believe the whole cast is very talented and they deserve to go out on top. Now with that being said, I want Stana Katic back as Kate Beckett, Jon Huertas back as Espo and Seamus Dever back as Ryan. The whole cast is what makes up the show not just one person. You can’t have one without the other. The only time they brought in new characters is when Captain Montgomery died and when Beckett went to Washington and you see how well that worked out. People are saying that the whole show was based on Beckett and her Mom’s murder, well guess what that’s when the ratings were really high and then in season 7 it was focusing on Castle and the ratings were really low. Again not the fault of the cast but of the writers. Bring back what you had in seasons 1-6 and the great writing and Season 8 will be great. Also one other thing ABC needs to bring back Stana Katic as the 1 and only Kate Beckett.
“Castle” (ABC) – Renewed for season 8! But I think Stana Katic is not going be in season much of 8! Stana is getting up there in age category; and she wants equal amount as Fillion is getting on his new contract which the show budget just does not allow for based on the 1.5 rating points. I think a new, younger, more attractive first detective will be introduced in the second or third episodes of Season 8; to replace Kate Beckett. Stana has had a good run; but it time for a new face and get the rating back up to the 2.5 rating!
sexist much
Exactly.
Man, you’re damn cheap you know! Trying to get others to insult Fillion! Seen your posts on previous pages, you’re a Fillion/Richard-Castle hater.