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Why Didn't Arrow's Felicity Take a Stand? Too Soon for Election Horror? Five-0 Mulls 4-Way? And More Qs!

We’ve got questions, and you’ve (maybe) got answers! With another week of TV gone by, we’re lobbing queries left and right about shows including Homeland, Arrow, Nashville and Scandal!h50-foursome-delete

1 | Did Hawaii Five-0‘s Melissa occasionally let slip a look suggesting that she was mulling a more (ahem) Cinemax-appropriate ending to her, Danny, Steve and Lynn’s Valentine’s double date?

2 | Did Emerald City‘s “handiwork” between Lady Ev and Jack forever run The Wizard of Oz‘s “Oil me” scene for you?

3 | The way Homeland‘s Carrie has been quickly and easily shuttled between New York City and Washington, D.C. to meet with the President-Elect, you’d think the nation’s capital was located on Staten Island and not, you know, several hours away, right?

| Here’s a crazy idea: Should the Grammys run sound checks before the show? Shouldn’t the tribute to George Michael have had as much energy as Prince’s? Also, if you are headlining one such tribute, should you cede your regular performance slot during the telecast to someoneBates Motel Rihanna Marion Crane else who gets less exposure? Finally, did it strike you as odd that A&E didn’t buy commercial time during the Grammys to remind Rihanna fans that the singer is playing Marion Crane in Bates Motel‘s imminent final season?

5 | Why, oh why, would The Bachelor spoil itself by announcing current contestant Rachel Lindsay as the next Bachelorette before she’s even kicked off?

6 | Which Supergirl character had the better reaction to Alex being a lesbian: J’onn, who said, “Of course I knew, I’m psychic,” or Mon-El, who asked, “Is that, like, a problem here on Earth?”

7 | If Rita Moreno plays Rogelio’s mom on Jane the Virgin and also Justina Machado’s mom on One Day at a Time, does that make Rogelio and Darci’s relationship TV incest?

8 | Would 24: Legacy‘s Officer Not Brian Dietzen really have known what exactly was on the other side of the evidence locker wall? And just how many privacy laws were broken to (so quickly!) send Nicole the government’s recording of Aisha’s call?Timeless Spoilers

9 | Timeless viewers, were you surprised by how brief Misha Collins’ guest spot was as Eliot Ness? And who else wants to watch The Untouchables, starring Lucy, Wyatt, Rufus and Al Capone’s brother?

10 | Is there anything less covert than Quantico‘s Alex posing for a selfie with an NSA employee on her way out of an infiltration op?

11 | On This Is Us, despite Kevin’s touching gesture of love toward his brother, wasn’t ghosting on the play’s opening night kind of a jerk move where Sloane was concerned?

12 | Wasn’t the NCIS killer taking a good-sized gamble that someone would playfully “pop” the sarin-laced bubble wrap?

13 | Was Gordon Ramsay’s New Girl appearance the most likable he’s ever been on television? (Maybe because it was so brief?)

14 | Of all the Team Arrow members to be (repeatedly) silencing the lair’s gun control debate, why Felicity, an actual, sorta-paralyzed victim of gun violence?

The Magicians The White Lady15 | Magicians viewers, did you recognize Bunheads star Emma Dumont underneath all that White Lady makeup?

16 | Now that Girlfriends’ Guide to Divorce‘s Barbara has quit SheShe, how long before she and Abby start their own media fempire?

17 | Is it too soon for American Horror Story — or any limited series for that matter — to dramatize the 2016 election? And if AHS Season 7 is centered on Trump vs. Clinton, and a future American Crime Story season is said to tackle the Monica Lewinsky scandal, might Ryan Murphy have the same actors portray Bill and Hillary in both?

18 | Were you a little stunned when Supernatural‘s Mary didn’t fess up to stealing from the Prince of Hell even as he threatened her sons’ lives?

19 | Did Riverdale‘s school administrators do any kind of background check on “Miss Grundy” before letting her teach there? Or better yet a psychiatric evaluation?

20 | Between Training Day‘s crossbow pistol-packing assassin named Artemis and seeing Katrina Law lay out bad guys left and right, did you almost feel you were watching Arrow for a moment?

21 | Grey’s Anatomy fans, are you Team Bailey/April/Minnick or Team Richard/ Jackson/Everybody Else? Also, how Heathers was that cafeteria scene? And how stunned were you that Arizona/Eliza didn’t pull a Nathan/Mer in the parking lot?

22 | Would Scandal prison guard Gerard have really seen any appreciable, immediate value in Cyrus’ “Find your Oval” babble? And why were the other bulls so slow to react to Gerard getting tvqs-jane-amy-hair-deletestrangled in the corridor outside of a cell?

23 | Gee, after these haircuts, how will the folks at the Golden Globes ever tell them apart?

24 | On Nashville, did Rayna’s security team have any idea what it was doing? Shouldn’t the guard sweeping Highway 65 have, y’know, checked the closets? Also, why didn’t they give her a panic button, which would’ve come in handy when Hockney strolled into her office? And on an unrelated note: Where the heck is Will?

25 | Should Seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon switch time slots for the duration of Trump’s presidency — you know, as a public service?

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68 Comments
  1. Anne says:

    Don’t care about Bailey or Minnick but I’ll protect April with my life. Maggie and the cafeteria lot were infuriating. I don’t understand the point of this story & want it to end. It’s so obvious that Webber and minnick will eventually run the program together like he wanted to. Let’s skip to that

    • jr. says:

      Liked the series Colony. It’s getting better. And the series Legion in pretty good too.
      Think Jimmy Fallon should be replaced with Trevor Noah.

  2. Luis Roman says:

    I’m actually going with Felicity on this one. First of all, she was trying to do actual work of an emergency nature while “Crossfire” was going on around her (pun intended.) Second, isn’t it reasonably possible she simply didn’t want to relive what could easily be the worst moment of her life?

    • Mike says:

      Possibly, but then they could have had her at least say something like “this brings up painful memories so stop talking about it.” They needed to show that, because it didn’t come across at all on screen. The first time it was clear she didn’t want to discuss it because it was interfering with her work. The second conversation with Curtis, though? Nope.

    • Izzie says:

      I would accept the “it was too painful to talk about” idea if they had shown or indicated anywhere in the episode that that was the case. Her paralysis garnered by the shooting wasn’t even mentioned in the episode (it hasn’t been mentioned since season 4, episode 21 for those not keeping count btw).

      They could have easily added a line from her about how she didn’t want to relive that. But they didn’t. They completely ignored her life changing accident. So, I can’t inference that is the reason for her silence when nothing in the episode indicated that. It would have been a good idea to have such a perspective from a gun violence victim, but at this point, because the episode itself completely ignored it, it’s nothing more than something fans try to tell themselves to make the show’s decision to completely ignore Felicity’s POV more palatable.

      So often actual victims lose their voice in these type of discussions. It’s a shame Arrow decided to do it as well.

    • L says:

      If it was too painful to talk about it, they could have had that in the dialogue. It would have taken seconds for her to say how it was too painful and she’d rather get back to work. Instead they made it look like she had no opinion whatsoever. It was wrong and the especially glaring. It’s like they’re trying to vilify her on purpose.

  3. Mike says:

    Felicity not voicing an opinion is mind-boggling. She’s been shot twice, and the last time left her temporarily paralyzed — but she thinks it’s impolite to talk about gun violence in public? What?

    They’ve sidelined her all season and even though it didn’t always make sense to me (like why are we supposed to care about her dead boyfriend when we don’t even know how they met or why she liked him?), but it didn’t really bug me before this because I think she pulled focus too much last year. But now they’ve gone too far in the other direction. This was an episode where it made sense to insert her more into the debate, and they just dropped the ball. Also, having Diggle – a military man whose main weapon when he’s in the field with the Green Arrow is a gun – not express an opinion either was lame. But sure, show, let’s explore the opinions of all the new team members we don’t care about!

  4. Syr says:

    6. Definitely Mon-El’s!

  5. Amy says:

    #21 – Always Team Richard.

  6. MAS says:

    #21 Not stunned at all. Arizona was in full compassionate professional mode.

  7. Gerald says:

    11. Jerk move that will be hard to explain away. He should have just gave the heads up for Mom or Sis to go get Randall. But still beautiful in a way.
    14. She is always the voice of reason, but there is no reasoning with pro gun people so she did what she could to keep things civil by not saying anything at all.
    18. And did the Colt always glow like that???
    19. And who lets a potential murder suspect just drive off without telling the Sheriff?
    25. YES please. I stay up late every night for a CLOSER LOOK.

    • You seem to have accidentally missed a word, there is usually “no reasoning with pro gun control people” since they are basing their views on emotions and wishful thinking rather than reasoning. She was a victim of gun violence, and rationally should wish to be able to legally protect herself, and rationally realizes that criminals don’t obey gun control laws despite the delusional fantasies of those who think they will say “wow, I’d shoot someone, but there is no way I’d break the law to get a gun illegally”. Prohibition didn’t stop alcohol, it merely led to the rise of gangs and violence, as did alcohol prohibition. Small items a large enough percentage of the public wants are provided by black markets that aren’t easy to stop since all parties to a black market transaction wish it kept secret and laws against them often have the unintended consequence of increasing violent crime. Most gun control laws are poorly considered “victim disarmament” laws that disarm the law abiding good guys, since contrary to the delusional fantasies of some, there are vast numbers of good guys that protect themselves with guns, usually without needing to ever fire a shot. (note I’ve never felt a need to own a gun, I merely defend the right to do so. admittedly I’m free riding on other private citizens who are armed since their exisence deters criminals since they don’t know who might be armed).

      • oops, I mistyped a word myself there, I typed “as did alcohol prohibition” but meant to say “as did drug prohibition”, since obviously anyone who wants drugs can still get them. Unfortunately many people suffer from the delusion that merely passing a law to make something illegal magically means it’ll happen.

  8. Trish says:

    When you figure out why a woman paralyzed by gun violence just last season, didn’t get a voice on a gun control episode this season, let me know. Apolitical is the new misogyny.

  9. E says:

    Re Homeland: The President-Elect is operating out of a hotel in Manhattan. Carrie is being shuttled to downtown New York, not Washington, D.C.

  10. Maria says:

    Because they want to silence Felicity. They are afraid of the comic fanboys who always bash Felicity no matter what she does. THEY specifically said they are writing her in an anti-felicity way. Frankly, it’s disgusting.

    They made Curtis be a Marc G. Mouthpiece for his viewpoint on gun violence. They gave dinah and Rene viewpoints that are positive with the male demo of the show and they made Felicity say it’s rude to talk about Politics and have no opinion. Same with DIGGLE.

    I dont see anyone screaming this show is dinah with friends had multiple unnecessary scenes of her talking trying to find a place to live.

  11. Kellie says:

    Maggie’s attitude towards April was driving me nuts! Yes, April took the “interim” chief position while Meredith is suspended, but she didn’t steal her job. Meredith’s insubordination got her suspended. I have a feeling we’re headed towards a Maggie/Jackson hookup which is going to raise the drama between these two!

  12. L says:

    I’m still asking the same question as number 14. I cannot believe they had Felicity – an actual victim of gun violence – silent on the whole topic. Out of everyone she’d have an opinion. It’s disgusting how they refuse to give Felicity a POV/voice this season. It’s concerning. I didn’t like how Diggle didn’t get a voice either.

  13. Daisy says:

    5. I’ve heard speculation that they announced the new Bachelorette so early in order to diversify the pool of potential suitors.
    21. I just cannot like Minnick. I know they wanted us to feel sympathetic towards her as she cried in the car but mostly I felt she asked for it being such a bully and disrespecting her peers.

  14. skrable2 says:

    A couple of questions on shows not mentioned:

    – Other than “inserting an artificial subplot,” exactly why was Brennan mad at Booth over what happened to Max?

    – On Big Bang, how many more times is Raj going to have his allowance cut off?

    • A.F. says:

      That Bones question is actual a really good one, because it boggles my mind. Why in the h*ll would Brennan, the most rational character ever, be angry at Both for that. It also isn’t so that they never had problems because a bad guy came after her *cough* Galland, Serial Killer season 1, Gravedigger *cough*.

  15. Mary says:

    J’onn had the best reaction, because of how Mon-El followed up his reaction.

  16. George H. says:

    15 – Thought the character The White Lady was CGI when I first seen her back when the promos were coming out for The Magicians. Was surprised to find out it was all make up and prosthetics when I came across a video about Emma playing the character. Really amazing job by the make up and special effects departments.

  17. Jason says:

    1) Whether she was thinking about it or not, I can garuntee no network show would ever have the balls to allow even the suggestion of such an event taking place amongst lead characters. The only way such hedonistic behavior might make it to air is on an episode of Law and Order SVU. That way they could be clearly portrayed as deviant monsters of some kind.

  18. tvgeek says:

    18. I can’t believe she would work with the British Men of Letters after they kidnapped and tortured Sam.

  19. Jared says:

    The whole Ms Grundy/Archie storyline was so weird on Riverdale it actually made me not want to watch the show. Thank god that seems to be over for now.

  20. kate says:

    9. I was surprised by the briefness of it too, though it made me reconsider Micha Collins comments of the short time he had to work around to do it, make more sense.

    14. Honestly, I forgot about that with Felicity and was thinking it seemed within her personality to represent that portion of the population that just doesn’t want people to argue about those sort of things that have no good answer (and probably it was those of us who let Trump get elected) because they needed that voice since they knew there could be no resolution of the issue (ordinances are a good pr move Oliver, but in reality, that warrants fines as punishments and that is it). But it led me to another thought that this past week they did release an EMP and, I wouldn’t put that past Prometheus to be his final step before his big finale, to release one near the Arrow cave which would disable the big weapon that Oliver has over most of the super villains in Felicity and her computers and, it would disable Felicity as well (this might enable Dinah and Curtis to step up because, if I understand the T Sphere property, its not electricity based it more static based so an EMP might not do anything. They don’t usually introduce a weapon like that without further consequences (and, hell, Rip suggesting they help an enemy of Oliver’s is reasonable because it might cause the Legends to descend to help him, since most of them are his friends and allies) and, if you notice, there is still a ramp entrance to the tech center in the Arrow lab, even after whatever rehab they did after Black Siren’s attack.

  21. LAwoman says:

    11. Yes, jerk move
    21. Team Richard. And no, a kid just dying is not sexy time.
    25. YES

  22. Laura says:

    #11 – A jerk move for sure, but true to character. He flaked on The Manny and it seems his ex wife, in the past.

    #19 – By ep#2 I was tired of Miss Grundy. It’s just a more scandalous version of Pacey and Ms Jacobs.

  23. PatriciaLee says:

    23. We gave up decades ago! What’s with the cloned look, these days? Joan and Betti were so cool because they were so different.

  24. funnibone31 says:

    Your incorrect on number 3. President Elect Keane is a senator from NY. She is not portrayed as being in Washington D.C. during the transition (just like Trump was working out of Trump Tower during the transition). In the show, she has been working out of the Intercontinental Hotel in NYC.

  25. pnr says:

    14 – Guggenheim literally made Felicity act out of character by not speaking up, then he had the gall to have Curtis vilify her. Does Guggenheim hate Felicity? I would’ve said ‘no’ before the episode, now I think my answer is different.

  26. Liz says:

    21 – Neither. They are all acting like babies. I was sympathetic to both sides for different reasons. Now I can’t agree with either side. I didn’t like Minnick, but I understood that she was hired for a job and she was doing it. The way she poached a surgery, and then assumed that she was qualified enough to monitor a CHILD’s surgery alone with a student…. wow. Bailey did not handle things well. The other doctors are acting totally immature about how they are handling everything – demanding their way without doing anything remotely professional to address their issues. Gads these people are not mature enough to perform surgery, let alone run a hospital. And April, gees… “I’m nice. I’m the nicest…”. Eye roll. You are opportunistic. Accept it about yourself and lets all move on.

  27. Superwoman says:

    13. Gordon Ramsay is likable just fine on any tv show he’s on, esp Hell’s Kitchen & Hotel hell. Whips snowflakes into shape!

  28. lrdslvrhnd says:

    1) Yeah, I definitely got the impression that some kinda group thing involving both women and at least one of the guys was being planned.

  29. texmike says:

    #25 No, Meyers has become unwatchable to me. The nightly Trump bashing is tedious at best. Fallon can be funny without being a partisan D-bag.

  30. Tom says:

    4 | (stuff I have no opinion on) Also, if you are headlining one such tribute, should you cede your regular performance slot during the telecast to someone else who gets less exposure? (other stuff I have no opinion on)
    ~
    Absolutely yes. People shouldn’t be performing twice if there are others who aren’t performing at all and could be.
    ~
    6 | Which Supergirl character had the better reaction to Alex being a lesbian: J’onn, who said, “Of course I knew, I’m psychic,” or Mon-El, who asked, “Is that, like, a problem here on Earth?”
    ~
    Sounds like Mon-El.
    ~
    7 | If Rita Moreno plays Rogelio’s mom on Jane the Virgin and also Justina Machado’s mom on One Day at a Time, does that make Rogelio and Darci’s relationship TV incest?
    ~
    No.
    ~
    9 | Timeless viewers, were you surprised by how brief Misha Collins’ guest spot was as Eliot Ness? And who else wants to watch The Untouchables, starring Lucy, Wyatt, Rufus and Al Capone’s brother?
    ~
    Probably didn’t have a lot of time to film given that he’s you know, on another fairly popular show.
    ~
    25 | Should Seth Meyers and Jimmy Fallon switch time slots for the duration of Drumpf’s presidency — you know, as a public service?
    ~
    I’m going to say no because if I ever decide to start watching Meyers, it would make things all that more complicated for my DVR because as it is I watch The Daily Show/@Midnight and Colbert and my DVR can only record two shows at once

  31. Jan says:

    25. Absolutely. I tape Seth’s show every night specifically for “the News” and “A Closer Look”. It’s entertaining and factual. I also watch Samantha Bee and John Oliver and my week for Comedy and Tragedy is complete. I tried to balance things a bit by watching Fox News, but that lasted about 5 minutes.

  32. richard says:

    #6 Mon-El’s was best. On a different note: during the donut scene, was it my imagination or was Lena first picking at a donut with chocolate glaze and after a cut-away to Kara, she was picking at a donut with a sugar glaze?

  33. Max says:

    #9 After all that buildup for Misha Collin’s role on Timeless it was major letdown to have him killed off right away. What was the purpose of casting him then?

    #25 Yes please. I watch Colbert or Kimmel then switch to Seth Meyers.

  34. John says:

    I thought a better question would be about the fact that Grey’s Anatomy has been back for 3 weeks and Meredith Grey has only been on one episode. Isn’t it called Grey’s Anatomy for a reason??? lol

  35. Ricky23 says:

    Regarding Arrow – wrong type of show to include a gun control themed episode since the main cast are regularly responsible for taking lives. Who knows – the bad guys henchmen might be threatened into doing what their doing and be decent guys underneath. It could happen.

    Big fan of Adele but agreed on her ceding her Hello slot to let someone else get some air time. If she is such a perfectionist she wouldn’t have made a mess of the song. And this version didn’t do the song justice imho. If she was intent on doing the tribute she could have chosen a slower song that suited her style and voice better. Otherwise someone who could handle a faster song from him should have done the tribute. Of all the tributes that were done to remember Prince, hands down Bruno Mars knocked it out of the park.

    That is all….

  36. Julie says:

    11. Yes- As much as I loved Justin being there for Randall, him abandoning everyone at the play (especially Sloan, but so many other people worked hard to get ready for opening night) took away from the final moment a little bit for me.

    25- Yes, a thousand times yes!

  37. Mommaknowsbest says:

    17. I think AHS should wait for the current horror story to complete its cycle before thinking that the Election was a bigger story. BTW – I’m not a Democrat.

  38. kirads09 says:

    #2 – No, nothing about Emerald City could ruin the Judy Garland classic for me. HOWEVER – I did have to look up the age of the actor playing Jack and the actress playing Tip. They are both in mid 20’s but look much younger to me. I was concerned they might be slightly too young for fairly “sexed” up roles. But they are of proper age I guess. I thought that scene was bizarre though and Ev’s treatment of Jack (kicking him out of the carriage in the first place) cruel. Giving her a pass this once cuz grieving but…

    #9 – His appearance was too brief. I just want Lucy’s green and animal print vintage outfit she had on.

    #17 – We are living a real life horror story. No need to play it out in a tv show. I think to base AHS on it is the worst idea that has ever been thought of in the history of ever.

  39. Kevin says:

    #8 – I’m started to hate the character of Aisha on 24: Legacy even though the storyline with Eric Carter’s brother is like a rip-off of The Wire.

  40. Mike says:

    Why is Kara now in her Kara outfit at the DEO instead of her supergirl suit? Is it even still a secret since Whynn and Alex screamed her real name?

  41. Temperance says:

    9 – Yes… what a waste. 19 – seriously. But I am enjoying the heck out of the show.

  42. Rex the Wonder Dog says:

    I’d go with Mon-El. He just seems so baffled by Earthlings.

  43. TinLV says:

    If you are a big proponent of civil rights, “24” isn’t the show for you…

  44. rowan77 says:

    3. Is the driving from NYC to DC (I’m not watching this season). If she’s flying it’s only about an 80 minute flight.

    9. I was annoyed at how brief it was. I was looking forward to seeing much more of Misha Collins as Ness, but was disappointed.

    15. Totally missed that!

    18. She seemed more than a little hypocritical in the last scene when she knowingly put her boys (and Cas) in more danger just so she could deliver the Colt.

    21. I kind of straddle the divide on this one. Richard’s way was no longer working, but Bailey could have let Richard in on the decision making earlier and not caved to Minnick’s demand that she do her job alone. Watching her work, there is absolutely no need for her to demand total control. With Richard’s help this would have been much smoother (although a story without conflict is a snore). So Bailey is the one that screwed up with this one.

  45. tjchurch2001 says:

    I can answer two of those (“speaking” only for myself, of course)…

    25] Meyers should get the earlier time-slot, & they should give Conan back his old “Late Night” desk if he safely got back from Mexico. (That way, Alec can go back to simply appearing as Trump, not hosting any weeks, & Jimmy can host “SNL”, the only reason he should EVER be allowed on TV! (Also, that would explain the great response when Seth asks how the audience is doing tonight, which up to now has only been explained b/c they weren’t home sitting through the garbage that airs before him.)

    20] The second I saw the naming/identifying of “Artemis” on “Training Day”, I immediately forgot about the story-line & the show & movie, & waited for Will Smith & Kevin Kline to show up.

  46. Mommaknowsbest says:

    Here’s a question that has evaded any common sense answers so far: why, in the name of everything good, would ABC give a ratings winner like Designated Surivior’s time slot for two and a half months to THE MATCH GAME??

    I’m still shaking my head over this one. . .

    • tjchurch2001 says:

      50-50:

      1] Giving the writers time to craft politics-based storylines that reflect the country’s real current political situations/issues.

      2] B/c the title character is busy as a supervisor, etc. on new “24”, making sure it doesn’t ruin the “Legacy” of his.

  47. Maria Odette says:

    I think it might be because the series is not willing to take a stand, nor I believe they should. It might be also because their writers appear to keep losing sight of the other episodes in early series. For example, Frank Bertinelli was killed in season 2 and then again in season 5 in one of the first episodes, and apparently again in the Spectre of the Gun. Also the Prometheus line makes little sense because the so called father of Prometheus was killed in season 1 by Deadshot. I point all of this to indicate how writers are letting the characters like Felicity run away from their own created personalities ( to me that is the current weakness of the show, all this flip flopping). I suspect they will try to explain it all with The Flash tampering with time, but so far it seems weak plot devices and unraveling of plot lines. I’d love for the writers and producers of the show to explain their rationale. I would also advise them to steer clear of politics. This is entertainment, and when they try to do politics as they did in the episode, they ended up with a wishy washy you can have it all show that amounts to very little.

  48. GraceM says:

    Mon-El had a better reaction to Alex coming out then Hank. It’s cute the way he still tries to figure how things go on Earth.

    Even Winn’s reaction was funny.