Outlander Recap Season 2 Episode 4

Outlander Recap: The Great White Hype

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It takes a poisoning, a spilled secret and some unfortunately placed hickies, but Outlander‘s Claire and Jamie are once more in accord — and just in time, thank the gods.

That’s because the Frasers will have to marshal all of their combined resources to combat the growing threat that is Le Comte St. Germain, who makes not one but two (we suspect) deadly plays for Lady Broch Tuarach in this week’s episode. More importantly, who wants an Outlander where Jamie and Claire aren’t shagging on the regular? That’s like a Bones where Brennan suddenly decides to hand off the hard cases to the squints or a Grey’s Anatomy where Meredith comes down with a case of happy-all-the-times or a Game of Thrones where Littlefinger buys all of his working girls turtlenecks for Christmas.

It’s also ironic that Claire’s reputation as a witch, which so recently landed her in trouble, proves her saving grace toward the end of the hour — though, sadly, not in time to help poor Mary. (Yes, I know you have FEELINGS! on that, as do I, and we’ll get to them in just a moment.) Read on as we review what happens in “La Dame Blanche.”

CHECKMATE | Claire looks on while Jamie and Duverney play chess in Versailles. The finance minister politely inquires about potential names for the nascent Fraser; it quickly becomes apparent that Mom and Da haven’t discussed the matter yet. Her vote: Lambert, after her beloved uncle. His: Dalhousie, after a Scottish castle. (Side note: Neither of those pass the Little League test, aka can you imagine a kid’s baseball coach yelling, “Dalhousie, get your glove and take center!” or “Slide, Lambert, slide!”? But I suppose that’s not as important back in ye olde day.)

Le Comte St. Germain interrupts the game to shoot looks of hatred at Claire, who gives it right back to him. After he passes, it becomes apparent that Duverney and Jamie need to talk Jacobite business, so Claire grabs a drink and stands in the corner while the men chat. After one swallow of the glass she takes off a waiter’s tray, you can tell Claire is having trouble. Moments later, as Germain watches with interest and a panicked Jamie runs to her side, she’s having a full-on coughing, choking, heaving episode. Good lord, choking is bad enough; can you imagine doing it in a corset?

The bad news? Someone, likely St. Germain, tried to poison her. The good news? Both she and the baby are OK, she assures Jamie later as she’s resting in bed, likely because what the attempted murderer thought was a fatal tincture was actually bitter cascara, which causes stomach cramping and other unpleasantness but won’t actually end a life. (That scene in Master Raymond’s shop last episode makes more sense now, eh?)

The Frasers chat about their mission, hatching a plan in which they’ll host a dinner party and somehow get Prince Charles to act like the lunatic he is, which will make the Duke of Sandringham disinclined to fund his cause. But at the mention of the duke, Claire looks like she’s going to throw up — and not because of the bitter cascara working its way out of her system. “I need to tell you something: Jack Randall is alive,” she confesses, bracing for the worst as she explains that Randall’s brother is the duke’s secretary. But Jamie is elated. “You’ve given me something to hold on to, something to look forward to. And that is a gift!” he cries. He kisses her, he kisses the bump, and it’s super cute until you remember that his joy is fueled by thoughts of giving Randall a bloody, violent end. And all of Claire’s worry that he’d skip off to Scotland to do the deed were unwarranted: Jamie assures her he’s not going to abandon their plan to take down Prince Charles. So… yay?

Outlander Recap Season 2 Episode 4RAYMOND’S REVELATION | The next day, Claire puts on an absolutely to-die-for blue hooded jacket with red embroidery (check it out at right), then visits Master Raymond, who says he sold bitter cascara to a servant, but he’s not sure whose. He pulls her into a back room, explaining that the king is not a huge fan of the mystical arts, then does some divination and tells Claire she’ll “see” Frank again someday. She’s baffled, but keeps quiet; he gives her a pendant that changes color in the presence of poison, as a safeguard for the future. Oh, and he doesn’t come right out and say it, but he totally knows she’s not of this time.

LOVE BITES | On a subsequent evening, Jamie rolls in from Madame Elise’s place in a very good mood. A drop-yer-pants, climb-on-yer-wife good mood. And Claire is down to frolick… until she notices the bite marks on the inside of Jamie’s muscular thighs. His attempts to set her straight — nothing happened! Even though I wanted it to! But I didn’t do anything, because I wanted to come home to you! — fall on furious ears. “So you had to stir yourself up with a whore before you could bring yourself to be with me?” she asks, incredulous, hurt and angry all at the same time. He mentions that he’s been struggling since they arrived. Her face is rather unsympathetic. If I were you, Jamie, I’d duck behind the setee, because Hurricane Angry Pregnant Woman is about to blow into town, and she’s at least a Category 4.

She yells and cries about how she’s been going through her pregnancy all alone, evidenced by the fact that they’ve barely talked about the hatchling since they arrived in France. But Jamie’s carrying a burden, too. “I don’t think you understand what it’s been like for me since what happened at Wentworth,” he reminds her, his voice breaks just a little on the last several words. (Side note: How Sam Heughan didn’t get a Golden Globes nod escapes me; Emmys, you paying attention?) “Make me understand!” she cries, giving nothing. And then Jamie gives his “place inside me” monologue that actually appears in Book 1 of Diana Gabaldon’s series, but which I think serves this moment very well: Jamie’s not used to being so broken and raw, and he doesn’t even know how to ask for the help he needs.

FINALLY! | But the admission has changed something between the two of them. So later that night, Claire creeps into the room where Jamie’s sleeping, drops her robe and offers up a dose of sexual healing that he’s all too willing to accept. “Come find me, Jamie. Find us,” she whispers. (Side note: I’ve said it before, but I cannot imagine having the kind of co-worker relationship Heughan and Caitriona Balfe must share, given everything they do together on screen in general and his attention to her northern hemisphere in this scene in particular.) Afterward, he says he thinks Claire has helped his spirit build “a lean-to, at least, and a roof to keep out the rain.”

Speaking of roofs, Prince Charles just happens to be on theirs at that moment, escaping from Louise’s house, where he’s been bit by her monkey. Oh, and Charles and Louise are totally having an affair, and the pregnancy she tells Claire about earlier in the episode? The baby is his. Mark me, this is a mess. But the Frasers know it’s also the perfect lynchpin for their dinner-party plan.

AMBUSHED | On the day of the party, Claire takes Mary to L’Hospital des Anges, promising Jamie she’ll be back in time for the gathering. But a broken wagon wheel delays her return, so she, Mary and Murtagh walk home instead. Along the way, just after Mary has happily confessed that she and Alex Randall are secretly in love, a band of masked thugs assaults the trio. The men take out Murtagh first, leaving the women defenseless. Once the brigand trying to have his way with Claire realizes who she is, he cries, “Le Dame Blanche!” — or “The White Witch!” — and runs away, but not before she notes the odd-shaped birthmark on his hand. His comrades follow suit, but not before one of them rapes Mary. Claire cradles the inconsolable younger woman to her as they sit in shock.

Critics of this show/Gabaldon’s novels cite the use of sexual violence as lazy writing at best, and deep misogyny at worst. And while I don’t deny that watching an attack like Mary’s is upsetting, it’s important to remember that rape was a very real threat for women at that time — and remains a very real threat for women in many parts of the world. Even in the United States, per the National Sexual Violence Resource Center, one in five women (and one in 71 men) will be raped at some point during their lives. So if you’re one of those viewers who likes to fill comment fields and tweets with “I’m quitting this show!” after events like this episode’s unfold, that’s your right — but perhaps you should think about supporting a group like Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network or something similar as well, aye?

Outlander Recap Season 2 Episode 4GUESS WHO’S COMING TO DINNER? | Everyone gets back to the house, where Jamie has been greeting guests solo. Suspecting that St. Germain — who has shown up as a guest of the duke’s — was behind the attack but lacking the evidence to prove it, Claire and Jamie decide to stash Mary upstairs with Alex to watch over her/administer her a sedative, then carry on with the dinner as though nothing has happened. (Plus, Jamie points out, going to the police will out Mary as a rape victim, and that will ruin her forever, socially speaking. Ugh. Go to hell, 18th-century gender norms!)

So Claire gets dressed and swans downstairs as though she’d just been taking an extra long time to make herself gorgeous. She perches at one end of the table, probably thankful now for those stays and laces, because I’m pretty sure they’re the only thing helping her keep her stuff together in front of her company. She and Jamie try to get Operation: Nutty Prince going by outing Louise’s pregnancy in front of the assembled guests, but a crash from the salon interrupts everything and sends everyone scrambling from the room.

Turns out, a drugged Mary freaked upon seeing Alex and flew downstairs, where he tackled her to try to stop her from running all over the house. In the commotion, Mary’s uncle starts hurling accusations, and pretty soon there’s a free-for-all in the Frasers’ living room. So the plan to discredit the bonnie prince not only goes south, but St. Germain offers to accompany Prince Charles away from the melee — meaning another unholy alliance is in the works. But Jamie whups someone with a curtain tieback, so that’s cool.

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  1. Shaun says:

    Sweet lordy,that sex scene made me wonder how those 2 actors can be so chill,lol.A soft porn scene if there ever was one.Alex chasing Mary was real ham fisted,lol.

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    • Lex Lexi says:

      Thats acting. The actor do not feel to each other anything at all..It was shooted in a studio ,with many people and cameras around them. it doesnt look like you see it on the screen.I could do it it any moment,believe me.You either. You wouldnt get horny ;)

  2. Karen Preen says:

    What a great review! Thank you. This show just keeps getting better and better. The casting is phenomenal. Sam and Cait are perfect and I am a bit in love with both of them (actually a lot!) The gorgeous, dark Comte is breathtaking and how fantastic is Simon Callow as the Duke of Sandringham. Fergus and Murtagh’s characters continue to evolve, shine and provide some comic relief in this harsh and dramatic time.
    I thoroughly enjoy this series and hope the artists involved achieve the recognition they deserve.

  3. Terri says:

    Finally! The Frasers reconnect and Jamie knows about Black Jack. Claire’s aside to Murtagh the morning after she tells Jamie about Randal was pretty funny…”I don’t know what you were so worried about!”. Jamie’s explanation about the bite marks was pretty hamfisted but his and Claire’s blowup was cathartic. And how sexy was their lovemaking scene…in moonlight.

    Everything that happened in this episode happened in the book, so don’t think the writer did a GOT in including that rape scene. What happened in the street will be resolved in a future episode. By the way, I wish Claire would plunge a dagger into the Comte (yes, I know what will happen to him too). It was good to see Jamie and Murtagh smacking people around. I think they both miss doing that in Scotland.

  4. Ian says:

    Even though he wanted it too…
    This whole episode got derailed for me after Jamie tried to get off with some whore. I can understand he was excited to discover he wasnt as broken as he thought now after hearing Randall was still alive, but its no excuse. If Claire hadnt seen the bites, he probably would have had sex with that whore and lied about it forever. Its Laoghaire all over again.
    Perhaps it would be easier to stop shipping fictional couples and just go along for the ride.
    While there’s some things about France I like (and yes, the Comte actor is smolderingly fine), a lot of the action and scene transitions come off quite sloppy.
    I miss Scotland.

    • Terri says:

      I agree that the scene by the river with LeWhore in season 1 was totally out of character for Jamie. The writer for that episode actually wanted to take it further and have Jamie kiss that evil wench. He caught a lot of grief from the book fans for even including that scene. The bite scene, though, was in the book. And, Jamie was tempted, but he resisted, and he would never lie with a whore. (His reason he stayed a virgin for so long even while he served in the French army was pretty funny as he explained it to Claire on their wedding night.)

      • Annie says:

        You say he would never lie with a whore. I’m not sure, I could really be mistaken, but didn’t I read somewhere that he slept with whores (when Claire was away, maybe in Voyager???). If it’s true, well, it’s even more than one whore, unfortunately… (really hope I’m wrong here)

    • Alichat says:

      Yeah, the dialogue for that moment wasn’t the best. He only meant that he got turned on, as most men would in that situation. Basically, he was saying that he did get turned on, but that he didn’t want to sleep with the prostitute, he wanted to sleep with his wife. In the book, what he means makes more sense. It’s the physical wanting versus the emotional wanting. There is also a longer dialogue about how he felt disgusted with himself for getting turned on….that he thought once he slept with his wife, things would be simple…..and how he is conflicted about how he can worship her with his heart and soul but still lust for her so strongly. And on a side note, I hated that Laoghaire scene in season 1. Jamie would never have let that moment go to the point of testing her melons for ripeness.

      • Ian says:

        None of that came across on the show though. It just felt like Claire ended up letting a huge betrayal slide. I don’t get it. How do you take their epic love seriously after moments like that? How did he even LET a situation get as far as 69-ing a whore and she’s biting his crotch?!

        • SHONDA LAUREL says:

          What is 69ing?

        • Alichat says:

          But he didn’t sleep with or 69 the prostitute. He said that she wanted to do that….or go right to the 6 and hang the 9. LOL And we’ve seen how aggressive prostitutes can be in the scene with Ned last season, and the scenes this season. He was tempted…..and they got aggressive with him, but he didn’t sleep with anyone. I agree it’s hard to pull that fully from the scene. I just wish they’d added the line where he mentions that the other men at the brothel tease him because he won’t sleep with the prostitutes, so he spends his nights being tormented by his companions for being “unmanly”, then comes home and is tormented for being unchaste.

          • Annie says:

            It’s bad enough that he really wanted to have sex with the prostitutes, but the guy is 6ft 4. How hard can it really be to get away from a woman when you’re that size? I mean, if he REALLY wanted to, of course. Maybe he didn’t sleep with anyone, not technically/officially or completely. But at what point do “hickeys” on the crotch come close enough to oral sex for being cheating? Line is quite thin when you’re that far gone. How do you think JAMIE would have reacted had it been the other way around? Claire spends all her nights and free time “for work” in a place where half-naked men are always all over her, want to undress her and sleep with her, so badly agressive, that she really can’t help it, and comes home with many hickeys in the neighborhood of her honeypot? For work. Completely, completely against her wishes, of course. I’m convinced that our beloved Jamie would’ve understood. 200%. They were agressive, after all. And she really could do nothing to stop it… Hummm….
            About the fact he got teased: I think he’s more than strong enough to handle it. How about: I’m really in love my wife, or she wears me down when I come home (wink, wink), or even better: I don’t feel like catching all the nasty things going around in these places (yes, yummy things like syphillis, that killed so many people back then, including many well known historical figures)… Just my opinion…

          • Alichat says:

            Annie…..I think you are applying a 2016 view to 1745 France. In 1700s France, men going to a brothel was not uncommon at all. Many had mistresses, or multiple mistresses. Most marriages were arranged, and the women only stayed with the men because they had to in order to live a safe and comfortable life. Jamie has to go to the brothel to see Prince Charles. It’s the only place Charles ever wanted to go. Yes, the women threw themselves at him in the brothel, and even though he was aroused by that one that night, he didn’t sleep with the prostitute. In the book, he was in his kilt when the bites happened, making it a bit easier for them to have happened. So I’d say the costuming of him in pants in that scene was a bad idea, however a good bite can be given through tight pants. Just sayin’ ;-) As for what Jamie would do if Claire came home this way, he’d believe her when she said she didn’t sleep with anyone. And if he caught her sleeping with another man, he’d kill the other man. They discuss this in the book. I get that this is just your opinion, and you’re welcome to have it. But he didn’t sleep with anyone in the book, and he didn’t on the show. Check out the script and the EP commentary on starz.com. Every viewer is welcome to interpret the scene however they want….be as frustrated and angry as they want, but I just wanted to clarify what they (the show) wanted or tried to convey.

          • Annie says:

            Alichat—-I was not frustrated at all! You’re probably right for what you said… But I never questioned his motives to go there at all. Of course not, I know he wasn’t there for that, and we saw him push them away without difficulty before. Why couldn’t he do the same thing? The only thing I can’t wrap my mind around is the fact he let it go that far with them. The bitemark wasn’t on his arm or something, but the inside of his upper thigh… After reading what you said for the rest, I agree with you. There’s just this nagging thing that doesn’t have an acceptable explanation. But for the rest, I agree, it’s not as bad as I thought!

        • Judy says:

          Ian – to me Jamie made sense. He hasn’t felt himself since Wentworth. He was with a whore – for work, so to speak – and he got aroused and ready to go – so he brought that sexual energy that has finally returned home to his wife. If you think this was a huge betrayal – something that didn’t happen – not sure you’ll handle the rest of this season all that well, if they stay true to the book.

      • Nina says:

        This is exactly why it wasn’t the great scene it could have been if all of the writers actually understood the source material. The explanations for his feelings were terrible while Claire just basically throws a hissy fit. Then the way she goes about initiating sex with him almost seemed like she was begging. I didn’t like it.

        • Alichat says:

          I didn’t feel she was begging, just trying to reconnect. Telling him he’s not alone and to come find her. She was offering his soul shelter. But I agree with you about the hissy fit. I kinda felt it was a bit too much. But that may be because I knew he didn’t sleep with the prostitute.

          • LJ Pierce says:

            I watched this scene several times, & found depth & meaning in it on several levels. Claire & Jamie are both speaking from profound hurt and loneliness. In Claire’s case to the one who has hurt her. As we all know, no one can hurt you like someone you love. Her face may appear frozen during Jamie’s “fortress blown apart” speech, but watch her eyes– the emotion is overwhelming. She’s pregnant, she’s hurting, she doesn’t offer immediate comfort. It’s beyond her at this point. Watch Jamie during the “fortress” speech. He’s barely under control; lips are tight but with a quiver, adam’s apple is jumping. And then, just before he turns away to find somewhere else to sleep, his eye’s widen with barely controlled tears. These two actors astound me with the layered feelings they convey thru expression. Truly moving and Emmy quality indeed.

          • Winter says:

            Well as far as hissy fits go she is pregnant so it would be normal to throw one all jacked up on hormones then realize later that she over reacted. I agree them finally coming together and connecting again finally. She wasn’t begging she was reaching out to him.

          • Annie says:

            I found it really hurtful that he treated Claire with such coldness and distance in the past episodes. She tries so hard to help him since BJR, and be there for him. The fact that he expresses reproach towards her about the fact that she apparently doesn’t understand is quite unbelievable. She wants nothing more than to help him and understand. He’s the one pulling away from her, maybe understanbly, I don’t know, but to almost accuse her of being selfish is quite vicious. She’s feeling really hurt and alone herself.
            For me, his speech about the fortress would’ve been a beautiful way of expressing his feelings since BJR, if that speech would have been placed anywhere else in the episode. I still couldn’t get past the “Oh yeah, I soooo wanted to do it with the whore’. WTF? Nice way of showing your *love* to your soulmate. It’s not that he *had* to spend all his free time in a brothel, not even the fact that he only regained his lust while being with a prostitute and not Claire, but the fact that he DID do something before coming home and jumping Claire. Hickeys on crotch while pants off? Not nothing. I realize that he came home to replace his prostitute with Claire before completely finishing with the prostitute, but I think it’s disgusting what he did before. If I was cynical, I’d say he just wanted to save the money… Ha! Ha! Kidding! Mostly. I can never see their eternal, undying love for each other like that again. It is sad. But then again, since I seem to be the only one (besides Ian) that think that way, guess I must put unrealistic expectations of love/loyalty on guys!)

      • ? says:

        Never read the book. I took this scene as Jamie wanting to know he could do it, that he could perform, before he disappointed Claire by trying to with her and failing. So he went to this “lady of the night” to go far enough with her to know that he could be aroused without, err, “wilting,” and that was all he ever intended to get from her. Not that this isn’t boneheaded behavior on his part, but when I consider that he’s not a modern man and what the attitudes toward prostitution were in his social circle in those days, I can see how he would get to the place of not thinking much about trying this. He’s shown himself to be pretty naive about such things. So a dumb move, definitely, but not a dishonorable one.

        • Ian says:

          It was dishonorable. I knew people were going to try and excuse it. After all he and Claire have been through, how could he have not known she would completely understand if they both discovered he still had dysfunctions? She helped him through the whole ordeal in the first place, and they hadn’t been all that intimate since. I’m just stupefied about the whole thing! How did that make it through editing?! Did they think people were just going to feel ok about it?

          • Julie says:

            Says the guy who lives in the 21st century and has had the benefit of erectile dysfunction psycho-babble thrown at him his entire life. Do you remember that he was a 22 year old virgin when he married Claire? Less than a year ago. While we know he wasn’t a monk, how much sex therapy do you think he was exposed to up until this time in his life? Let me answer that for you: ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

          • Annie says:

            The show editors and others believe otherwise. They say that it’s fine because of the “fortress” speech and the fact that he finally opens up to her. That’s great and everything, and I truly mean it, but it still doesn’t have anything to do with what he did with the prostitute (or like others seem to say: “so unvoluntarily let happen against his will”) and having removed his pants (for the hickeys to happen)… I wouldn’t have had a problem with the fact that he spent all his free time in a brothel (to get close to the guy), or that he realized he was excited before coming home to be with his wife (although, I would’ve maybe wondered about my own ability to turn him on, instead of a prostitute, but, oh well), or the fact he felt so dysfunctional. He didn’t let her in and trust in her love and understanding for him. The thing he couldn’t bring himself to tell anyone about in the last episode of season 1, that made him want to die so badly, appeared (to me anyway) much more difficult to talk about, with your wife or anyone, than the fact that he’s not yet recovered from an attack. Yet, he trusted her with this knowledge. I don’t understand…I won’t be able to see him the same way as before…

        • Terri says:

          I think it’s important to note that Jamie did not go to the brothel looking for sex. He was there with Charlie’s cronies hoping to get more information about the conspiracy. The whores were throwing themselves at Jamie, and he did have to fight them off. In the book, he was wearing a kilt so the whores had, um, easy access. Harder to explain the bites while wearing pants, but if they were as aggressive as they were described in the book, then his story might be plausible. In the book, Claire dumped a pan of ice cold water on his head. Would have loved to have seen that scene!

          • Christine M says:

            I was just going to post the same thing. Especially in Paris, it’s common evening entertainment for men to hang out in the brothel as we have seen several times already.
            As Oldlanders know, Jamie is only “unfaithful” to Claire when he believes she is gone for good.

          • Annie says:

            Well, I could say poor little helpless Jamie facing big bad giant unstoppable prostitutes. THE GUY IS 6FT 4!!! How effing hard is it to “repel” a woman if you really don’t want her, at that size??? He easily did so in previous episodes! Not pretend-to-refuse like he did with Laoghaire, but really refuse, if you genuinely love and respect your wife? How about telling them you don’t have any money? Ha! Ha! You’d never see them again!!! And, oh, minor detail also: he had TAKEN HIS PANTS OFF!!! (no other way for a hickey to happen I believe!!). Even with a kilt it’s no excuse, because no woman’s gonna get her head under his kilt unless the man lets her/wants her to…So, the intention was really there…(sorry for the sarcastic tone, it’s not directed at you at all, just the story :)). *Sigh* I’m so disappointed..

        • Lavendershrub says:

          No, no, no. He did NOT go there for sex, nor to “try” to see if he was OK. He was there purely to meet Prince Charlie. Politics, not sex.

      • Annie says:

        Really? Well, he let a whore almost test HIS “melons” with her mouth with the hickeys, so… I badly want to believe that he wouldn’t do this, that this was another stupid/useless invented scene by Ron, but no, that’s the way she (Diana) wanted him to be. To me, he could’ve had any other “flaws”, it wouldn’t matter. But his supposed undying loyalty/love for her… well.. He really betrayed her (bite marks)…. I can’t see their “love” the same way at all, and he lost all respect in my eyes. Also Claire, for acting as if it’s perfectly fine and normal that your supposedly loving husband LET other women do this, while he took his pants off.

        • Tess says:

          exactly my thoughts. It is a serious betrayal to me. I was so sad not only for Claires character, but something inside me was sad for… me I guess …:/

          • Tess says:

            Ok so now I read he was wearing a kilt in the books when the bite happened. That would make a lot more sense, but the fact that the screenwriters decided to omit it is still making the whole scene much worse, and it is still making me feel bad

    • Julie says:

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. Have you read the books?

    • Char says:

      Jamie would never, EVER “try to get off with some whore.” Even if you haven’t read the book, the show has repeatedly shown the aggressive prostitutes (and Jamie shooing them away), emphasized Jamie’s love for his wife, told us he was a virgin despite soldiering in France (where he would have had plenty of opportunities to consort with whores), and made note of his Catholicism (that whole adultery thing for married men is serious business). Not to mention he came home with the express purpose to nail his wife – he’s not doing that if he’s doing it with a whore.

      • Annie says:

        He DID try *something* with the whore because he took his pants off! I wouldn’t call that nothing. You don’t get hickeys with clothes on! The first episodes, he didn’t have any problem shooing them away easily. So why now, still at 6FT 4, would he be so unable to resist to the POINT that he has forcibly his pants removed and hickeys on his upper thighs? Is it that much better if he didn’t *officially* have complete sex with her? That’s why I feel like it’s such a betrayal.. The Jamie I imagined would’ve chewed his own arm off before doing something like this. I was probably wrong about him the whole time, because Diana herself wrote him that way. Guess I took my own fantasies of a great eternal love for Diana’s reality!!!

        • Lavendershrub says:

          No, no, no. Bites ARE possible thru material. Jamie did NOT take off his trousers. On the Compuserve site, where Diana Gabaldon herself often responds to comments, there are lots of posts from ladies whose husbands say Yes it is easily possible!! Jamie was NOT unfaithful. DG has been asked “How many women has Jamie had sex with?” and the answer was four – Claire, Mary, Geneva, and Leaghrie (sorry, can’t spell it!).

          • Annie says:

            SPOILERS———–SPOILERS—–Lavendershrub–Ok. I believe what you say, but there’s two things: was it bites or hickeys? Bites, it’s possible, so might not be as bad as I first thought. Even then, how could he let them go that far if he *really* didn’t want them? He’s still a pretty big guy, and had no problem rebuffing them in previous episodes…Still disrespectful to Claire, I think. Second thing: you say (Diana) he slept with 4 women. As I said more in detail (above?) in another reply, what’s the thing with him saying to Claire he slept with whores, then? Believe it was during his marriage to Laoghaire, apparently because of her not being interested in sleeping with him? Sure I read that somewhere. Am I wrong? Would it be possible that Diana forgot? I only say that because I remember being extremely surprised (and disappointed).

        • sixela872 says:

          She bit through his pants. They were thin silk pants. DG has confirmed this. No pants were removed and he did not go out seeking a prostitute for sex. He was already at the whorehouse with BPC

          • Lavendershrub says:

            sixela – I agree as I put above.
            Annie – very sorry, I didn’t mean to “spoil”. And no, Jamie never slept with whores – before, during or after his marriage to L.

          • Annie says:

            Lavendershrub—No need to be sorry! You didn’t spoil anything! Sorry if I gave you that impression!

          • Shellie says:

            Um, I don’t know, I’m kind of confused. In the episode he says he thought he should try to stir up his feelings like that because he was starting to feel like a man again. Why couldn’t he stir them up with his wife? Whether he did or did not take off his pants, he was talking about 69, about how she would settle for the six and the nine could go hang! (By the way, who is the 6 and who is the 9?-6 is woman and 9 is guy? Just curious) But how do you do 69 with your clothes on? It just seems a bit too ingenuous to me to say “nothing happened!” Something clearly did happen, maybe not a complete 69, nor intercourse, but SOMETHING happened. The bite marks or hicky’s are there to prove it. And it’s interesting that he did not choose to tell Claire about what happened. If it really were that innocent I think he would have told her. As it was, it seemed he just wasn’t going to mention a thing about it, but it was glaringly in her face so he had to address itl

          • Annie says:

            –SPOILERS (later episodes)–Shellie– Don’t have a clue who’s the 6 or the 9 (!), but I agree; Jamie let prostitutes do it, without even trying with Claire. Unless I’m mistaken about the meaning of 69, he wasn’t standing up! What kind of “business” was he doing that he had to lie down at that place? As I said lower somewhere: imagine Claire coming back from “work” with bite marks near her honeypot!!! The I-was-just-working-nothing-happened-at-all wouldn’t fly. He would’ve felt betrayed (and angry!). She’s loving and understanding, and he almost accuses her of not caring. Still, she then goes begging for sex, although he didn’t even want to sleep in the same room as her (and HE’s the one who did something!). She let it slide as if it was nothing, no explanation…The Jamie I thought he was in the 1st season, and the 2nd are 2 different persons. I know he changed, but I don’t recognize the funny, loyal gentleman I fell in love with. And later, when they first meet (Lord) John, what Jamie does to her is cruel and humiliating, and in front of everyone! She has the “nerve” to be upset about it, so he gets arrogant, laughs in her face and orders her to go back to her tent. She smiles and obeys… I miss the other Jamie. He and Claire don’t make much sense to me now.

    • Annie says:

      OMG! Agree 100% with everything you said. Unfortunately, I read many reviews and can’t believe no one else than us feel that way You’re so right about Randall and Laoghaire. Don’t like season 2, it is another show completely. It has nothing to do with season 1 anymore. The only thing that seem to matter this season is the decor and costumes. They waste so much air time on things we don’t need, or again, invented-for-tv scenes, it’s frustrating. Most of the costumes are fine/beautiful, but Claire’s are always so over the top that it’s really distracting. I wish they had spent as much time on the plot and dialog, as they did on costumes or useless scenes.
      Really miss Scotland too. Felt so genuine and magical. Even though there are 4-5 things I didn’t get that made me scratch my head in the 1st season, I loved it. Just discovered what happens when they go back to Scotland. Can’t believe it. They could’ve done anything else, gone anywhere Guess he made his choice about what was the most important thing in his life..I don’t think I can keep watching. I hate where this is going, doesn’t make ANY sense to me. Discovered it 2 months ago, binge-watched, found the most beautiful/fascinating story and love story ever, and now I feel it’s already over. Breaks my heart, because I loved it so much… Wish I hadn’t found it, wouldn’t feel so bad.

      • Lavendershrub says:

        Please don’t stop watching. It is the most heart breaking love story ever. You don’t say if you’ve read all the books. They are magical. Their love runs all thru the ever up and down on-going things happening, FAR more than the tv series has time to show. Their deep/beautiful love story is never ending in the books. It’s a joy to read. I don’t see Ron Moore of Starz ever getting that, which is such a shame. But the tv series is sumptuous in its settings and costumes in Paris. And the casting of everyone is perfectly following the descriptions in the books, with loads of dialogue taken straight from the first two books.

        • Annie says:

          ——-SPOILERS——–Lavendershrub–I read random excerpts on the web, not the books…I know where it’s going and it’s too heartbreaking. Jamie says things like “I wouldn’t change you to save the world” (season 2 ep1), but yet, forces her to go back, chooses to go die at Culloden willingly, instead of spending his life with them. Doesn’t mind if it hurts her. With that kind of eternal love and devotion, there’s no reason good enough on the planet for this. He chose his priorities. They could’ve escaped anywhere together. They’re in their 20s, you blink and she’s back at 50 or something with an adult daughter and he’s got children and grandchildren…WHAT???? Doesn’t make ANY sense at all. We go from sexy, passionate funny newlyweds to grandparents and big families. Some say the story gets boring and that it’s based on ordinary domestic life and too many characters, not them. That’s why I thought I shouldn’t start reading the books. Nothing like Outlander…Ha! I’d give anything to make Diana take out all the biggest heartbreaking nobody-would-ever-do-that scenes, like the 20 years away. Found out about the series 2 months ago, and after binge-watching 1st season, I realized it was the most beautiful, passionate love story I had ever watched/read. But I feel it’s already over. Breaks my heart…

          • Zoe says:

            Hm. As someone who have read all 8 books of the series, I don’t really know what to say to all of it. It just all appears completly different when you read the actual books. SPOILERS

            Jamie couldn’t just escape with Claire and go live his happy life with her somewhere else. First, he was literally forced to take a part in the uprising – you need to watch to learn how. Then, right before Culloden, he was forced to kill his uncle Dougal in Claire’s defence (again, you really need to watch/read to understand why). He had a huge responsibility for his people/tennants, that’s why he decided to go back at Culloden: to save his people and send them back home. Jamie character is constructed that way, that’s how men of his upbringing were raisen back then, to protect and care for their people. That’s a huge part of his personality in the books, he is a man of duty and honor. Lastly, he wanted Claire to go back to her time because she was pregnat and he wanted to save her and the baby. Claire would have died in childbirth had she not gone back to XX century. That was a completly selfless act on Jamie’s part, he wanted his wife and child to live, even if that happened away from him and with another man raising his child. If that’s not a love according to you, then I don’t know what is.
            It’s really hard to summarize 7 books in one brief posts, so I will only add two things: Jamie didn’t have any grandchildren on his own, he and Claire have grandchildren together in later books. Also, most of “Jamie’s children” are not his blood, he took them under his wings and those are Fergus (French orphan you just met on the show), Marsali McKenzie and his nephew Ian. Jamie had one son when Claire was gone for 20 years, the boy was a result of one night Jamie spent with a spoiled young woman from noble family, who blackmailed him into this act. He doesn’t raise the boy though. Never.

            Second, I liked young Jamie&Claire a lot. But I love them as mature and then aging people. Even if I don’t love everything about later books (I have issues with books 5-6, there are some plotlines I don’t like), their love story is one thing that gets better like a good wine. And yes, it’s exactly amazing love story: eternal, deeply moving yet often humorous and fun. Mature J&C are extraordinary people. It’s not, hovewer, a Harlequin romance novel or idyllic Disney fairy tale, nor would I want it to be.

          • Lavendershrub says:

            I do certainly agree with Zoe below, tho I have no problems with books 5 and 6 – no problems with anything in the books. You really should read the books as well as watch the tv series, otherwise you are missing a real treat. Their love story as they talk to each other, is amazing. TV doesn’t have time to show these moments.
            I forgot to put above, definitely teeth marks! so bites. I don’t know what hickeys are – we don’t have this word in UK.

          • Annie says:

            ——SPOILERS—— Zoe and Lavendershrub—No, I really wouldn’t want it to be a Harlequin story either. Problem is not them growing old; it’s the extraordinary gap between being newlyweds and later when she’s back. They miss so many of their best years together… Their “aging” is not gradual… Hate the idea of them being separated for so long! . With so many new characters, I don’t know if it’s true, but some say they become secondary characters in later books. And they leave Scotland (ohh! That’s the worst! Snif!!).

            Lavendershrub: I know it’s always better and more detailed in books than onscreen :)) That’s why I always prefer them!
            Zoe: I already know about BPC’s papers with Jamie’s name on them and the circumstances of Dougal’s death (I read too many spoilers! That’ll teach me!!!). They still could’ve gone into exile (BPC’s documents meaning they couldn’t stay). I really don’t know how Jamie intended to save his people at all by sending Claire away, as he knew about the massacre about to happen. He was willingly going there to die, knowing he couldn’t save anybody. Maybe I’m missing a piece of the puzzle. I get Jamie’s honor/duty thing though. But there’s absolutely nothing else he could have done to help them without sacrificing his whole relationship/future with Claire? Suicide mission he knew would fail anyway? That’s the part I don’t get… For the pregnancy, I don’t think he could not have known in advance she would die in childbirth if she stayed. She probably told him she had some sort of complications after she went back to him maybe…? Aaargh! This story is driving me crazy! To the point that it’s the first time ever I felt the need to write in any kind of forum/comment section!!! Besides a few things I didn’t quite get from season 1 (me scratching head!), I loved it.! Ok! Now you both convinced me to read the books, I guess! DG should pay you! Haha!

          • Zoe says:

            SPOILERS——————————————Annie, I absolutly understand that you feel upset about 20 years old gap. I was also put off when I first read “Dragonfly in Amber” some years ago. But then I read “Voyager” and it all made sense. Yes, 20 years separation is a dark and painful part of J&C story, but overall I feel it added another dimension to their story. They were able to reconnect after so many years and Claire recognized a young man she loved in a hardened man Jamie has became after many years of loneliness – I think that’s a testament to their marriage. In some ways, I prefer reading about relationship between mature and aging J&C, than about their young love, charming as it was – the way they relate to each other, their deep respect and utter devotion for each other and their often hilarious banter, it’s joy to read.
            I wouldn’t say they become secondary characters in later books, rather than many supporting characters come to the frontline, so while J&C remain the soul of the story, the books no longer have just two leading characters. It becomes more glaring in books 7-8, where there was sometimes chapter upon chapter with no J&C in them. Still, I prefer quality over quantity and most of J&C scenes in book 8 were so good, I didn’t want it to end. But yes, sometimes I felt the “young brigade” is taking over the story.

            Jamie didn’t plan to save his people by sending Claire away, he came back at Culloden to lead them away from the slaughter and send them home to their families. And he succeeded. He had a very good reason to believe that Claire wouldn’t have survived the childbirth, given the circumstances of Faith’s (their firstborn) birth. And he was right. Delivering Brianna was difficult enough even in 20th century. Highlands after Culloden were a hellhole, ridden by famine and poverty, ports were blocked so no way to escape for someone as strking as Jamie. Between his role in Jacobite rebellion and Dougal’s death, he truly felt himself doomed and didn’t want Claire to become part of it.

          • Annie says:

            Zoe and Lavendershrub—–thanks for your answers! —SPOILERS——Zoe: what you describe makes a lot more sense than what I first thought about her leaving… Also, I didn’t know he was leading them away from the battle, but from what I understood, he just made a mistake by leading them too far, past the battle lines. I thought they survived only because of a mistake…—Lavendershrub and/or Zoe: I’d like to ask you a few other questions about Jamie and Claire, but it’s getting too far away from the subject of this page, and I don’t want to take any more space. Is there another place where I could ask you? Thanks!

    • Annie says:

      OMG! Agree 100% with everything you said. You’re so right about Randall Laoghaire. Don’t like season 2. It has nothing to do with season 1 anymore. The only thing that seem to matter this season is the decor and costumes. They waste so much air time on things we don’t need, or again, invented-for-tv scenes, it’s frustrating. Most of the costumes are fine/beautiful, but Claire’s are always so over the top that it’s really distracting. I wish they had spent as much time on the plot and dialog, as they did on costumes or useless scenes.
      Really miss Scotland too. Felt so genuine and magical at the same time… even though there are 4-5 things I didn’t get that made me scratch my head in the 1st season, I loved it. Just discovered what happens when they go back to Scotland. Can’t believe it. They could’ve done anything else, gone anywhere. Guess he made his choice about what was the most important thing in his life..I don’t think I can keep watching. I hate where this is going, it doesn’t make ANY sense to me. Discovered it 2 months ago, binge-watched it, found the most beautiful/fascinating story and love story ever, and now I feel it’s already over. Breaks my heart, because I loved it so, much… Wish I hadn’t found it, wouldn’t feel so bad.

    • sixela872 says:

      He wouldn’t have had sex with anyone while married to Claire. Period. If the show took them down that path this would no longer have any relationship to the book.

  5. KT says:

    I want a dog like Bouton. He is so cute. I have to give props to Sam and Catriona. That has to be tough to film scenes like their sex scene with the rest of your co-workers watching. That’s definitely not a normal day at the office.

  6. Alichat says:

    It wasn’t just a broken wagon wheel but a sabotaged wagon wheel. We saw birthmark man removing the pin from the wheel axle hub in the opening scene. I’m glad they finally got Jamie and Claire back together emotionally and physically. While I liked the thigh bite scene in the book more…….because it talked more about Jamie feeling conflicted about how he can have such a strong lust for her, and at the same time worship her with his heart and soul. (and alternately, her feeling the same) I’m not sure how it would have fit with the fortress monologue, which I’m glad finally made it into the show. But, the scene was ruined a bit for my by Caitriona’s expressions. I find sometimes that I don’t like or agree with her expressions or line delivery in some scenes. Like the ‘I don’t know why you were worried’ moment with Murtagh would have been better for me if she had a slight grin when she delivered the line. It just came off as arrogant to me and not joking or teasing. But I don’t know if it was poor editing or if this was her reaction when they were shooting the monologue, but when Jamie says that his soul is exposed, out in the open without shelter, they cut to her and she looks pissed and pouty…..then when he says ‘that’s where I’ve been ever since Claire’, she gives this slight, defiant-looking turn of her head while swallowing……and it just looked wrong. I kept waiting to see her soften to what he was saying….for her expression to change from anger and defiance to at least some form of sympathy. Even when we see tears in her eyes, her face is still harsh. I don’t know….it just struck me as wrong and cold, and reminded me of other times where I’ve felt Caitriona portrayed Claire incorrectly within a scene. But, regarding the reconciliation scene, was that the sex scene that Sam and Caitriona fought to have added? If so, thank god they did, but I can’t see why they would have to push to have that scene added. And on another note, whose bright idea was it to have a man sit with Mary while she slept?? I thought it was a ridiculous idea when I read it in the book, and then tonight in the episode. This is a 15 year old that didn’t know what sex was, and she’s just been raped. Maybe it would have been a better idea to have Suzette sit with her so we could hopefully avoid the running and the screaming.

    • Shaun says:

      maybe because he was sucking on her boob?lol

      • Alichat says:

        Eh…..Jamie did that last season…..he likes the boobs. LOL

      • Rob says:

        he didnt suck… was that suckin to you?? -he hardly touched them.his lips was tight and even didnt open it. He touched them with his lips thats all

    • Julie says:

      I don’t think they fought to have the scene added, rather, I think they fought to delay the first successful sex scene between their characters until a little later in the season. They didn’t think it was right to have them jumping back in the sack having great sex in the first episode, considering he had been brutalized just a week or two earlier. I think part of the fight also surrounded including the baby belly on her during the scene. I’m assuming there will be additional love scenes that include the baby belly in full view. While I’m generalizing above based on Sam & Cait’s interview responses, I don’t think these were major fights or creative differences. As I recall, they responded “we fought for that a little bit”.

      • Alichat says:

        I haven’t read every interview where they talked about the scene they fought for a little bit. All I recalled was the it having to do with the baby belly and some thinking that viewers would scoff at that or some weird excuse like that. As if pregnant women don’t have sex. I didn’t read about them pushing to have Jamie and Claire have sex later in the season. It was smart thinking. Their reconnection made more sense here.

    • BJ says:

      Allchat..I agree with you about Caitriona’s expressions. I personally don’t think she is that great of an actress and only has a few expressions that she gives throughout the series. She is surrounded by very strong actors and it is always apparent that she can not reach the needed emotions that match those around her. The scene with her character reacting to the the bite marks was the same as seasons 1’s reaction when Jamie rescued her from BJR. I watch the series because I LOVE LOVE the books. What annoys me about this season is they spend more time on Claire’s clothing. When she visits Raymond they have to spend more time panning as she walks up the stairs to show the dress. Enough already…stop wasting scene time on clothing and show more story.

  7. Julie says:

    Did you notice the wagon wheel being tampered with at the very beginning of the episode? The broken carriage wheel was no accident or misfortune, but part of the plot to attack Claire.

  8. I wanted to see Jamie vault over the bannister like he did in the book!

  9. Alice says:

    Wow, I started reading without looking at the byline, but was able to identify the writer as Kimberly Root based on the piece’s callous attitude towards rape victims.
    She also thinks if you consented to have sex once, then you consent to it always, and therefore Jamie Lannister couldn’t possibly have raped his sister, even when she was telling him “No!”

    • Terri says:

      I don’t understand? How was Kimberly being callous about rape? And who is Jamie Lassiter? Here is what Kimberly wrote:

      “Critics of this show/Gabaldon’s novels cite the use of sexual violence as lazy writing at best, and deep misogyny at worst. And while I don’t deny that watching an attack like Mary’s is upsetting, it’s important to remember that rape was a very real threat for women at that time — and remains a very real threat for women in many parts of the world. Even in the United States, per the National Sexual Violence Resource Center, one in five women (and one in 71 men) will be raped at some point during their lives. So if you’re one of those viewers who likes to fill comment fields and tweets with “I’m quitting this show!” after events like this episode’s unfold, that’s your right — but perhaps you should think about supporting a group like Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network or something similar as well, aye?”

  10. Chad says:

    Watched to see GG nom Balfe bc I had not heard of her previously. caitriona’s performance is clearly Emmy/GG worthy and she is hotter than a $3 pistol. She won me over to a show I considered a soap opera.

  11. Kimberly Roots is an EXCELLENT writer! I love her recaps.

  12. bicibell says:

    I’m so impressed by the casting of young Alex Randall! His eyes are exactly like Frank/Jack Randall’s, which makes the entire “Frank is a descendant of Alex Randall” more plausable. Of course, it’s TV and fiction, but well done!