Castle Recaplet: The (Massive) Luck of the Irish

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NATHAN FILLION, JON HUERTAS, SEAMUS DEVER, JULIANA DEVERThis week on ABC’s Castle, Detective Ryan returned to being the (made) man he once was, while a bit of sleep-talking had Kate wondering who “Jordan” is/was to Rick.

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Honestly, I don’t have much to say about this episode, but there’s never any predicting if others will want to weigh in. THE CASE added some color to Ryan’s background, though it asked us to take several leaps — including that not once over the years, during any number of endless stakeouts with BFF Javy, did Ryan bust out an anecdote from that time he went deep undercover with the Irish mob for 14 months.

The expediency with which “Fenton” was accepted back into Bobby S.’s fold was a stretch, too, and didn’t even call for the cursory “prove yourself by whacking someone for us” test. Yet, overnight, he managed to bring down a whole crime organization. The case, though, had its moments, including a nice display of chemistry between Ryan and old flame Siobhan (though one suspects Mad Men alum Cara Buono ignites with everybody). In fact, I’d argue that those fleeting scenes — much more than, say, the hoodlums’ pool night — hinted at this “other” person Kevin used to be, at the different life he lived. The Kate/Jenny interaction was nice, especially as the latter shared her theory on why Kevin was “manning up.” Also, the arrest scene, as Ryan called out for his “crew,” though cheesy, illustrated the respect and affection he has for Javy, Beckett and (“Seriously? I didn’t bring my vest”) Rick.

Lastly, the coda for Ryan and Jenny, while predictable, had to put a smile on longtime fans’ faces.

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As for THE CASKETT, the sleep-talking B-story was a long walk to find out the store was closed. So, the Jordan car company was the subject of a school paper that Rick hired someone to write for him, ultimately shaming him privately and motivating him to become a great writer. But why was this on his mind now, to the degree he’s murmuring about it in his sleep? And while the tale did, I suppose, represent an instance of Rick “revealing himself” to Kate (contrary to Meredith’s warning), it was kinda thin. I’m sure that some viewers would rather he be dealing with remnant anxiety over Alexis’ abduction, his torturing info out of that guy, or finally meeting his father.

Regardless, you got this: “What happens if you don’t like what you see?” “What happens if you don’t let me look?” And then: “It does change how I see you. It makes me like you just a little bit more.”

Again, yes — Castle opened up. But the subject matter seemed wholly random, unless I missed a scene/line while crunching stats for my upcoming fantasy baseball draft.

Lastly, of THE QUIPS:

“I know nothing. Nothing is a good friend of mine. This is not nothing.”

“Interrogating me in my sleep? Would you stoop that low?” “Who says I haven’t already?”

“I thought you liked it when I play doctor.” (Javy to Lanie, failing to get any fist-bumps from the fellas.)

What did you think of “Wild Rover”? And here, courtesy of YouTube/TelevisionPromos, is the teaser for next week’s Episode 100:


Comments (129)

  • i was just happy for a kiss in the light!

    Comment by veronica. – March 25, 2013 09:23 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Ha, I knew people would be. Especially after she ducked away from one in the kitchen.

      Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – March 25, 2013 09:25 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I find this hilarious because this was actually the second show that I heard that brought up for tonight

      Comment by madbengalsfan85 – March 25, 2013 09:35 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Yeah, between Castle and Bones tonight there was plenty of kissing going around. :)

      Comment by taliesin – March 25, 2013 09:36 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Loved the kiss! And the fact that you could see it! I also liked intense Ryan. Got to point out, though, that Javi is usually spelled J-a-v-i, and not J-a-v-y. Take it from a Mexican girl with like four cousins all named Javi.

      Comment by Jane – March 25, 2013 10:07 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • DIttto!! I was about to make the same comment! finally a kiss in the light!

      Comment by luli – March 25, 2013 10:24 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Oh amen. no more shadows!

      Comment by Jo – March 26, 2013 06:36 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I was just happy they used lights. Usually this show is so dark you can barely see anything.

      Comment by Tom – March 26, 2013 07:46 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • You mean like we seen several times this season?

      Comment by Mike – March 26, 2013 11:43 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Ryan started dating Jenny at the beginning of the show, so of course she wouldn’t have known about his past and Siobhan’s existance if he really wanted to keep it secret.
    Overall I thought this was a really good episode! I enjoyed the episode very much and it kept me on the edge of my seat the whole 43 minutes of it! This episode beat Esposito’s by a lot.

    Comment by martina – March 25, 2013 09:24 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • And yes, I agree with you, Matt, with what you said about the Jordan thing. Castle’s explanation seemed super random. I mean, wasn’t schoolfriend Damian Westlake who encouraged Rick to become a writer?

      Comment by martina – March 25, 2013 09:29 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Actually, there are several origin stories for Castle– and I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. Martha largely abandoned young Rick to pursue her acting career, leading to long lonely stretches in the NY public library, and watching soap operas with alcoholic nannies. Daddy gave him a copy of Casino Royale, which inspired him. Early failures in prep school lead to a plagarism incident that has left him haunted by guilt ever since. Damien Westlake gave him encouragement and mentorship. To me, these are all parts of a single story, not contradictions.

        If anything, this episode almost counts as continuity porn. “Den of Thieves” follows a very, very similar plotline (except with Esposito as the focus). We know Ryan has a past– he dated a vampire fetishist at one point– but mostly kept quiet about his home life pre-Jenny. Ryan’s past in narcotics has been touched on many times in past episodes. I think I recall him even mentioning going under cover in passing; not surprising since they’ve been kicking around the concept for this episode since season 2. Ryan’s devout Catholicism has come up before; this time, it becomes a plot point.

        It also colors some of the things we thought we knew. Ryan’s milquetoast personality might to some extent be overcompensation as he tries to be a family man rather than the “Fenton” that lurks underneath. Forget the pool: Ryan learned to pick pockets from somewhere. Castle’s outrage and condemnation of the plagarist killer in “One Life To Lose” takes on a whole new subtext now that we know that he has the same skeleton hiding in his closet. We KNOW Castle puts false bravado over his inner insecurities, in fact we’ve known pretty much since the pilot. It’s just now we know more about why. “Why do you write about murder?” is a central question of the series, brought up repeatedly, and we still really don’t have an answer. The sleep talking isn’t out of nowhere; it’s just that until recently we never had a main character sleeping with Castle who could hear him talking in his sleep. Juxtaposing the Castle and Ryan plots, and you see two men putting on false fronts to hide secrets in their past. Normally a writer will have one of those plots be the one where the character makes explicit what’s subtextual in the other plot, but here both characters explored different elements of the issue. Very well smart writing.

        Did the irish gang welcome him back too quickly? Sure, but we have 43 minutes to work with here, so that’s inevitable. The “team roll call” was cheesy, but it was also partly callback to Den of Thieves, which had a similar scene. To me, Ryan’s cocky call for Esposito was line of the night. I’m glad these supporting characters are moving past being purely expository devices.

        Casting Julianna Dever always struck me as nepotism, a frequent occurrence on the Castle set. But she’s always had good chemistry with RL husband Seamus, and definitely earned her acting chops tonight. We saw a very wide range from a character we see very infrequently and didn’t all that much screen time even this time, but who is very important to the show. That’s very much to her credit and I hope she starts landing other roles.

        The crime of the week was refreshingly interesting and cleverly handled, something I haven’t seen them do consistently since third season.

        Comment by asdf – March 27, 2013 08:56 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
        • i like your take on castles backstory. i agree that all those different things have contributed to the man we see today, its never just one thing that leads to someone choosing a career so its good that over the years we have seen him reveal more of why his is where he is today.

          Comment by Alan – March 27, 2013 01:02 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
        • Asdf, your comment was masterfully written. Kudos.

          Comment by DarkDefender – March 27, 2013 11:42 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Ah, I see; I tuned in late Season 1. That query has been stricken from the record.

      Comment by Matt Webb Mitovich – March 25, 2013 09:33 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • It was a good episode. We got all our ships “together” tonight. And Ryan was hot.

    Comment by Mari – March 25, 2013 09:25 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I thought this was a weak one, too. Castle (like every other procedural in existence) requires leaps…but this one was asking you to jump a lot farther than usual. I’m getting pretty fed up with the show altogether, honestly. My tastes have changed, and the complete lack of continuity really annoys me.

    Comment by Leah – March 25, 2013 09:28 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • well then good riddance. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out of this fandom :-)

      Comment by MysteryObsessed – March 26, 2013 05:34 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Yes, the smartest thing to do is chase people away from a show that’s already losing ratings. Good job! You have now officially caused Castle to be cancelled. :)

        Comment by taliesin – March 26, 2013 07:37 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
        • wow one person makes that much difference, why didnt i know this before? wait leah come back mysteryobsessed didnt mean it, we need you to keep the show going; and while your at it could you start watching all the bubble shows since you are clearly so important to whether they get renewed or not.
          seriously cut the melodrama, it just makes you look ridiculous.

          Comment by Alan – March 26, 2013 12:05 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • I laughed.

        Comment by Leah – March 26, 2013 09:45 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Your an idiot!!!

      Comment by Kerry – March 26, 2013 10:23 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • I’m an idiot because I don’t agree with you? That is a great basis for deciding how to treat other people.

        Also, *you’re.

        Comment by Leah – March 26, 2013 01:49 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • It wasn’t my fav ep this year but I thought that the Caskett was good. I even liked getting to see Kevin and Jenny’s apt and the inference that Esplanie isn’t over.

    Comment by c-mo – March 25, 2013 09:29 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I thought the episode was OK, but continuity-wise it didn’t make a lot of sense to me – the authors never think about the common sense things. I mean, does anyone think that the Irish mob in Staten Island won’t retaliate against Kevin and his family now that they know who he is? They’re not the type to just let things go.
    I thought the interplay and emotion between Castle and Beckett was good but I thought the Jordan thing was weak. I’d rather have heard he was dreaming about Michael Jordan then an old test paper. :) I mean, it’s not a big shock. Castle seems like the type who plays loose with the rules in his life. Cheating on a test paper seems like something he would do – it seems like that would be an Alexis soul-searching moment. Not Rick’s.
    The Ryan/Jenny story was OK. No real surprises there – we were all expecting the baby news. I would have found it more interesting to learn that Ryan couldn’t have children, though. It just seems like that would have been more unusual.
    I enjoyed most of the Ryan story – I like seeing the tougher side to him, except for what I mentioned above about the writers not thinking through how Ryan kept his identity secret all those years, and what problems should now logically come from it.
    Overall, no major issues. It seemed like a fairly average Castle episode to me – just with more shipper moments. :)

    Comment by taliesin – March 25, 2013 09:30 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I’d also add that I’m a little disappointed in the fact that we went through this big Alexis story arc and we have yet to see her since then. I was expecting to see some type of fallout and family bonding moments where we reaffirmed the Castle family to the viewers – as it really feels like Martha and Alexis have mostly been written out of the series this season.

      Comment by taliesin – March 25, 2013 09:48 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • agreed,I can see why Alexis is kinda sparse,but his mom was always around not long ago.

        Comment by Shaun – March 25, 2013 11:57 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • See my post above… this episode bends over backwards to honor continuity. He breaks the rules all the time– except when he’s writing. Castle’s artistic integrity has come up again and again. Look at “One Life to Lose” where he seems to look down on the killer more for plagiarism than for murder.

      With the arrest of Bobby S and the recovery of the “bible”, the entire gang has been rounded up; this was a plot point from the beginning. A little thin, but the same thing happened with Victor Racine’s crew and Esposito’s partner. Besides, Ryan will have to testify in any trial and the prosecution will be obligated to give the defense enough evidence to allow them to have identified him anyway.

      Ryan’s past in narcotics has come up from time to time, and I think he mentioned doing undercover work as well. Not surprising because they’ve apparently been kicking around the concept for this episode for years now, waiting for the right moment.

      So the episode if anything goes overboard referencing other episodes either directly or indirectly. If it does have flaws (and I think it’s one of the all-time best overall), continuity isn’t one of them.

      Comment by asdf – March 27, 2013 09:04 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Somebody has to have the baby… And better it be those two young kids.. Jenny and Ryan are a cute couple. Javi & Lanie are WAY too new (we don’t need a surprise pregnancy like B&B on Bones) it’ll just muck it up. Castle and Beckett need to stay on their flirty banter-LICIOUS toes which = no kids.

      Comment by DarkDefender – March 27, 2013 11:54 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Not usually a fan when they go all back story of the supporting characters and so I wasn’t expecting much out of this episode. That being said, I friggen loved it. Was a really pleasant surprise. The funny was there, the cheesy was there, it was sweet and as a a bonus, everyone looked great.

    Comment by ky – March 25, 2013 09:32 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I really liked it! Random or not- I loved when Castle opens up. Admitting he is still searching for approval is huge and explains a lot about the way he is with Beckett. And on a shallow note- I LOVED that they finally lit a kissing scene! Also, I can’t WAIT for the 100th episode! That promo made it look like it’s going to be a really fun episode.

    Comment by Kate – March 25, 2013 09:40 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Yes! This.

      Castle puts on a lot of false bravado. Partly I thought it was because of his mommy / daddy abandonment issues, or his abandonment by Sophia Turner or Kyra Blaine. But I think partly it stems from the sense that he’s still a big phoney pretending to be a great author. That’s the central mystery of the series, and they’re finally cracking it open.

      Over the years, Beckett has asked him repeatedly why he writes about death, and he always playfully deflects the question. His nemesis, 3XK, also noticed that he was drawn to death. So why? We still don’t know, but we have one more piece of the puzzle.

      Comment by asdf – March 27, 2013 09:08 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I liked the episode, never thought much of Ryan but he was super hot tonight. The lighting for the kiss was great, but it felt a bit awkward, like Castle/Nathan didn’t know what to do with his hands, it missed the earlier Caskett chemistry…

    Now can we please talk about that promo for next week!?! Caskett all dressed up, I guess they’re celebrating Castle’s birthday, are they staying in, going out?? Can’t wait for next week!!

    Also a quote Nathan gave to EW about the 100th, he says we’ll see how well Beckett knows Castle…I bet it’s something to do with his birthday present!!

    Comment by Summer – March 25, 2013 09:48 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Yeah I hear ya about the awkwardness. I just said I didn’t feel the chemistry in that scene. Something was definitely lacking. *sigh* well at least we’re heading in the right direction with the kisses not being in the dark even if it’s awkward.

      Comment by Jacee – March 25, 2013 09:53 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Yeah, I noticed too that Nathan doesn’t seem like he knows what to do with a lady (how is that possible M.Fillion?!). It was also like this in the valentine’s day episode with that half-hug before Kate gave Castle the drawer. Kate goes for affection naturally but Castle is just awkard and weird.
      Overall I get the general impression that Castle/Nathan is holding back a lot….and it bothers me because maybe it’s something the director asks but it looks a lot like Nathan is just not willing to act it.

      Comment by jul – March 26, 2013 11:06 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • OK, so I lurk like a MF and don’t engage with this show’s fandom, so I’ve pretty much had to analyze things on my own. But this is exactly the conclusion I’ve come to over the past several weeks.

        People have complained here and elsewhere about the lack of physicality between the couple, but displays like last night and the V-Day episode tell me why they haven’t been written — these moments have the potential to be awkward as hell. LOL (And, as a filmmaker, I can’t help but wonder if they’re being done in only one take or something.)

        Since I hate second-hand embarrassment, I’m perfectly fine with physically romantic moments not being written if it prevents me from cringing through them.

        And no, I’m not interested in analyzing or finding out *why* the physicality is awkward. OK, I am a little bit, but it’s really none of my business.

        Comment by so it's not just me? – March 26, 2013 08:48 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Finally they kissed in the light! THANK YOU :) but I have to be honest about something in regards to Caskett. To me they just feel awkward now… Like I just don’t feel that chemistry anymore. Maybe it’s because we haven’t really seen much of Caskett together. Hmm I don’t know I can’t really put my finger on it. Anyways, here’s to hoping the 100th episode will be better than this episode. I wasn’t a big fan of tonights episode… well I haven’t been a big fan of this season but I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m excited about 100th episode. Yaaay!

    Comment by Jacee – March 25, 2013 09:51 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • As for the timing Ryan was Fenton when he was in narcotics before he joined the 12th precinct and Beckett’s team. He supposedly started dating jenny in season 2 of Castle so there would not be an overlap of Siobhan and Jenny. I liked this episode it gave some back story to Ryan. It also showed that he can be the tough/bad cop when he needs to be. When he is partnered with Espo he usually plays the understanding and “good cop” to Espo’s bad cop. It nice to see Ryan and Espo get more air time and see how they work as partners.

    Comment by Nicole – March 25, 2013 09:52 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • all correct except one thing: ryan started dating jenny in season 1, we just didnt see her onscreen until season 2. easy mistake to make and i had to look it up to make sure before i made an ass of myself

      Comment by Alan – March 26, 2013 12:11 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • This was really one of those episodes where the ride was enjoyable and there some great moments, but at the end you realize there’s some logic and common sense problems. Still it executed a plot we’ve seen a few times before pretty damn well.

    I don’t think this actually quiiiiiiiite contradicts the Damien Westlake bit. Damien encourages him, Castle struggles despite that, then the part in this story happens… Though this could still be a writer hiccup. Definitely didn’t like the use of the classic narrative device where a person’s seemingly random word that haunts them needs explanation. I wasn’t expecting ‘Rosebud’ but something like ‘Gazpacho soup!’ would have been nice…

    Ryan not talking about undercover work to Espo doesn’t really shock me. I always got the impression, at least on TV I obviously have no real world basis for this, most cops try to bury these nuggets of their past. People tend to want to bury parts of their past they want to forget or move past, after all. Plus I got hte feeling bragging about something that could potentially get people coming after them for revenge would be bad… Still the rejoining the mob… Yeah, that’s where it really kind of falls apart. Ryan outing himself, yeah, it was badass, but it’s hard to buy not a single damn mobster won’t beat a potential rap and go after him. See here’s an episode I hope doesn’t end up being a standalone come next season or something.

    Comment by Spinning Maze – March 25, 2013 09:57 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • They are the same people who come here every Monday only to criticize the show, I repeat, they are always the same people, I don’t understand why they keep on watching the show, may be it is not as horrible as they usually describe it. Thanks god the 10 million viewers who have been sticking on ABC on Mondays at 10 pm for 5 years don’t think like you.
    BTW I love this episode and IMO this is the best Castle season.

    Comment by gabr923 – March 25, 2013 10:16 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Couldn’t have said it better!

      Comment by Lena – March 26, 2013 01:39 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • x2!

        Season 5 has been fantastic. Better cases, not that I watch for the cases, and the leads as a couple.

        Comment by Lisa – March 26, 2013 02:22 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • It’s important to keep in mind that, as strange as it sounds, ratings are not based off of number of viewers. Castle can have 20 million people watching it but if it cannot get its Rating up it will get cancelled. An example of this is that New Girl has already been renewed even though it only gets 3-4 million viewers.
      In simplest terms, Castle is losing its younger audience and its viewers are shifting to a 50+ age bracket. Great if you are in that age group, but bad if you are wanting to sell ad time.
      So sometimes when people criticize it’s because they understand that there’s a business behind those kisses, and that business is about making money. Castle is a very expensive series to produce.
      I want Castle to go 9 seasons like Bones, but I understand that if they do not get their rating up they might not even go 6.
      Last night Revolution returned and Castle will, again, have direct competition with CBS and NBC. It will be interesting to see where the ratings are later today. I hope Castle doesn’t end up with the most viewers but lowest ratings…

      Comment by taliesin – March 26, 2013 07:15 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Please see my comment above. I don’t post here, I don’t join forums or discuss the show with other fans, and I have picked up on some subtle, yet bizarre, turns that have affected the show.

      Do I think it’s the worst season ever? Nope. But there are some strange beats that I think are unintentionally seeping through and being picked up by viewers. Some of those viewers may be predisposed to finding the negative, but I know I’m personally pretty objective, taking the great with the not-so-great and finding a happy medium.

      I can understand how frustrating it must be to see the same people say the same things week after week. But please don’t discount the valid opinions of others who may perceive that things are a bit off. And, in my opinion, something is off. Could it be corrected? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I’ll enjoy the ride while it’s here.

      Comment by so it's not just me? – March 26, 2013 08:58 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I liked the episode, but it seemed too rush – more than usual. Maybe if the details had been spread over a few episodes or something.

    Comment by Kim (@AD76) – March 25, 2013 10:24 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I thought it was a great episode. But I almost always enjoy Castle; its never let me down. I loved Ryan calling out his ‘crew’, that was the best part. And Nathan eating cupcakes.
    But ya, totally satisfied with this episode. Fun, character driven mysteries.

    Comment by liz – March 25, 2013 10:41 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I thought it’s an okay episode, but I do enjoyed it. So much better than Esposito’s episode. Ryan really look hot with that haircut. Finally I got to see a little action from Kevin Ryan. Jordan thing seems off, doesn’t fit in. And yes I rather it about Castle’s father or Alexis maybe someone else in Castle’s past that would make Kate jealous a little bit.
    Favourite scene is when Ryan call out the crew and Castle reaction just make me laugh..

    Comment by ska – March 25, 2013 10:52 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I don’t know i sort of liked this episode, i guess i’m in the minority. I like the fact that they gave the reigns to another character it allowed Caskett to be more relaxed IMO. thats not to say they’re wheren’t some logic issues to it, and I really could of done with out the tired and over played shoot this person to believe your with us routine. as an overall comment though I have to say i’m very dissapointed with how they’ve handled the Alexis and Castle’s dad stuff, you’d think after that ordeal their be at least mention of it, like hay Castle hows your daughter that was just kidnapped doing. very poor form Mr. Marlowe. other then that good episode, and can’t wait for Rear Wind… I mean castle’s 100th episode. hope to see 100 more.

    Comment by James – March 25, 2013 11:07 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I think everyone is completely missing the boat on the story that Castle shared at the end. The content isn’t what mattered; it was the intent. It was something from his past that he was embarrassed by and ashamed of. ALL of us have those petty little “crimes” that we have perpetrated at one time or another in our lives, and we don’t like to share them out of fear of what those who we love and respect will think of us. The take away here wasn’t meant to be the story itself, it was the fact that he opened up to Kate…period.

    Comment by megshells – March 25, 2013 11:27 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Well said. And it’s perfectly understandable that the subconscious would raise those moments during our sleep. Beckett’s reaction to it shows she appreciated Castle backing off his “always the cool guy” persona.

      Comment by skrable2 – March 25, 2013 11:29 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Castle portrayed as a normal guy with normal insecurities? What a concept. Sometimes, I think this show is a little too subtle for it’s audience.

        Comment by megshells – March 25, 2013 11:54 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • The best moment of the episode was early on, when Ryan was apprehensive about supplying a sample for the fertility doctor. Jenny offers to “help,” then we cut to the precinct murder board where Castle says “So, master baker …”

    Maybe it’s the cynic in me, but these stand-alone episodes purposely don’t mention the continuing storylines because the series won’t always be played (or seen) in succession during syndication … and it has nothing to do with dropping plot points.

    Not every show, particularly procedurals, plays out as a serial. Heck, you’d think Bones would mention Pelant every week, but they don’t. Though I do admit that not having Alexis’s ordeal be a chance for her to bond with fellow trauma victim Beckett feels like a missed opportunity

    Comment by skrable2 – March 25, 2013 11:27 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • So true for syndication. Watching TNT marathons & they dont always go in eps order. Also about Alexis trama will be brought up. It has been the m.o. Of the series to keep the arcs there and then they come out. Look at Casketts 1st kiss, happens 3.13 but nothing said about it till 3.24

      Comment by Angie – March 26, 2013 04:24 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • THANK YOU. There is a reason you don’t see 24 and LOST in syndication. The episodes mandate that they be played in order. Castle isn’t that show. Also, last time I checked we had 6 episodes left in the season. How about we give Marlowe a little credit for building his character and story arcs. The reveal in the 2 parter of Castle’s darkside is something we got an early glimpse of earlier this season in the episode when they protected the Senator. We’ve had 4 seasons to watch Beckett unfold her vulnerabilities and blindspots, I think we can give the show it’s final 6 episodes before declaring thoughtless lack of continuity.

      Comment by Nicademus11 – March 26, 2013 10:13 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • This is Castle we’re talking about. It’s supposed to have wildly exaggerated cases. Even though in real life, it would not have been possible, this is Castle. I think the light tone of the cases (unlike Criminal Minds) is what makes this show so likable (and don’t forget Caskett!)

    Comment by anon123 – March 26, 2013 12:19 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Thank you. I don’t watch Castle for realism.

      Comment by LaurenMC – March 26, 2013 07:04 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • And yet realism and continuity are important within the realms of some characters. Beckett can have the shadow of death hanging over her head for years. Beckett can suffer PTSD. Becket can need therapy to overcome her issues. It’s all about realism with continuity. If we didn’t have the realism of the story we wouldn’t care if Castle and Beckett got together. We wouldn’t care if Beckett ever gets her mother’s killer. So clearly we do care about the realism of the setting as portrayed by the characters.

        Comment by taliesin – March 26, 2013 08:04 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Loved the episode. Ryan was amazing. Loved all his scenes (way better than the Javi ep)
    Absolutely loved the dock scene where he called out his crew. The way he handled himself undercover, his ex and his wife. Great to see him getting fleshed out.
    And ofcource who doesn’t love Caskett. Finally a well lit kiss hahaha everyone will be happy about that but Castle opening up to her was even better.That’s what they are going for this season and i love it.
    and next week is gnna be even better, the 100th ep, the Rear window-esqe muder and castle’s bday written by Terri Edda and Marlowe himself! Can’t wait, Loving this third quarter of the season so far.

    Comment by Rida – March 26, 2013 12:55 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • oh and people worrying about continuity, Castle has always been like this. So nothing’s changed there.

    Comment by Rida – March 26, 2013 12:57 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Okay, it was thin on many layers, especially on the Jordan story [ really kind of a let down there] but at least we see the DD actually living together. The tension that was produced was swept under the rug much to rapidly. Yes, there are only 42 minuets to tell this story, but AWM & Co have squeezed so much more out of the darker episodes. Liked it, yes, loved it, no. For those arguing about continuity, this episode was not the place for that discussion, now next week’s will be a battleground,I’m sure.

    Comment by lame – March 26, 2013 01:27 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Loved it !And yay for the Caskett kiss at the end! :)

    Comment by Lena – March 26, 2013 01:32 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • You missed the best quip of all! Jenny mentions Ryan having to go fill the cup, scene cut, Castle referring immediately to “the Master Baker”… it was hysterical.

    Comment by Temperence – March 26, 2013 02:03 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Anyone else notice the cake at the very beginning of the ep? “Happy 99th?”

    Comment by KatM. – March 26, 2013 03:40 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Yes, I noticed the cupcakes. Thought story would go about who those were for at first…

      Comment by Suz – March 26, 2013 12:47 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Small correction to the quoted quips: Doesn’t Beckett say that “nothing” is a *dear* friend (not a “good” friend)?

    Comment by Lauren – March 26, 2013 05:45 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I went in expecting almost nothing and I absolutely loved it! Ryan is my favorite (after Castle and Beckett) and Seamus was fabulous in this episode. I love the back story going on between Castle/Beckett. I love learning more about Castle. And I personally loved the story about Jordan. I thought it would have come before the Damien Westlane story. He learned to write and then Damien told him it was actually good at it. This is one of my favorite episodes of the season. I really feel like the show has been extra awesome with this last stretch of episodes!

    Comment by Andrea – March 26, 2013 05:49 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Totally agree with everything you have said. The ‘Damien Westlane disclosure to Beckett by Castle back then has been and still stands as a favorite Caskett moment for me. Even though it was in the precinct Castle opening up to Beckett and sharing personal stuff doesn’t happen too awesome. And now a little more of that story, the part that Castle would never have been willling to share before. He is beginning to lay out all of his vulnerabilities to Kate and just cannot help but wonder what is next? Loving Season 5 in every way possible.

      Comment by Guppy – March 27, 2013 07:13 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Great episode on Ryan…I also really loved the Esplanie interaction at the beginning…that was hilarious!!!

    Comment by Johanna – March 26, 2013 06:04 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • That promo reminds me of a CSINY episode (6×22)… Mac Taylor was injured, stuck in his apartment, and he witnessed odd things going on in the building opposite.

    As for this week’s Castle ep, I enjoyed the focus on Det. Ryan. When he went into ‘Fenton’ mode, he certainly changed before my eyes. Quite a difference from the seemingly-awkward Kevin; I kind of want to see more of those ‘undercover days’.

    Comment by Platy D (@platys5startome) – March 26, 2013 06:30 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • i totally agree with matt – which i normally dont..
    the episode was too far of a leap, even for TV.
    but as a shipper, i am again disappointed with what they give us with castle and beckett.
    really random he “opens up” about that when, like matt said, there are more current/relevant issues they should be talking about (preferably in bed at night or in the morning…like so many couples do – not sure about you all, but would love to see them on a lazy sunday morning, talking, reading a book – whatever??)
    and i know this show has a lot of “repeat phrases/words” – but really? lame that kate has now said twice “…it makes me like you a little bit more” – (significant others) – really kate?…i mean writers?? really? that is all you have for us? that show has a band of writers, and we get a lame repeat phrase? i think the writers need to actually watch their show, and be an viewer for once. on this show, it is almost as bad as being a cubs fan….lots of dedication, no payoff…

    Comment by gonnagiveuponcastle – March 26, 2013 06:36 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I am a shipper, and I was hugely pleased with most of the shipper moments in this episode. We see the pair living together, teasing each other, kissing, sharing emotions, that is basically everything the show has missed for most of this season. It’s clear that Andrew and Terri have taken the twitter comments to heart and have specifically added more shipper moments over the last few episodes.

      Comment by taliesin – March 26, 2013 06:56 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • The B story was lame, I understand the importance of Castle opening up to Beckett, but couldn’t they find a better story? Maybe about his actions during Hunt/Target?

    I feel like since Castle and Beckett have gotten together, Castle has lost all of his game. He looks so nervous and awkward every time he touches/kisses Beckett. I’m pretty sure Castle/Nathan Fillion has more game than that.

    Comment by Jessica Buono (@Missjbo) – March 26, 2013 06:59 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I wasn’t going to chime in… But here I go. I think the “randomness” of Castle opening up, suits his character. The Big reveals would be too much of a leap for the whip cream dining, adult child that is Rick Castle. I am confident we will get more in depth stuff for the character, but it needs to build up to that (like it took 4 years to get Kate to “want” Castle). The insecurities and awkwardness, I think, are purposeful acting choices from NF. Castle was a big kid most of his adult life, acting impulsively in almost all aspects. Just as he lightened up Beckett, she has grounded him. And this is serious adult stuff (the relationship) for Castle.. Which means he is in unchartered territory and it shows he really loves Beckett and wants her to think well of him. His character from day one is evolving and I trust all involved are investing in the end game, which is the happily (mature adult) ever after.

      Anyway, that is my take on it all.

      Comment by DarkDefender – March 26, 2013 09:12 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • I love your take. I haven’t really focused on the ‘awkwardness’ but your explanation is quite plausible. I believe that Castle is very nervous about having the Caskett relationship do well and last long term. I think he has shined when he has gone into ‘adult’ mode (We don’t know the answers; we just have to live with the questions) when Kate is the vulnerable one. Also stellar when he is cute and funny and light (scene in Kate’s bedroom about changing shirts and pants). But when my heart threatens to stop is when the adoration and love shines through (it IS the drawer and Castle’s face and No, it’s perfect) and in the Hamptons ‘…none of them were you.’ OK, the fact that all of this is just coming directly out of memory…OCD. Haha. . I love going through all these changes because they are so REAL. I also look forward to maybe Season 7 or 8 when both are so very comfortable and secure and total fun will again be the main name of the game. That’s what we saw with shows like Hart To Hart because they were married (and secure) when the series began. Castle will get there but we have an amazing ride to experience before we get to that part of the journey.

        About Nathan’s acting choices, I’m more inclined to believe that after hearing that ‘I left my vest behind’ from the Wild Rover was an ad-lib line from Nathan. I’ve often heard Nathan in interviews describe Castle as somewhat of a screw-up. Watching that scene yeah it was funny but I felt a pang of ouch for Castle being made to look so…inept. I actually think I think a little more highly of Castle than does Nathan, LOL. I do know that Nathan has understood Castle from Day 1, and that’s gotta work for me.

        Comment by Guppy – March 27, 2013 07:36 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
        • Well said. And I agree. I am enjoying the evolution of Castle, Beckett and Caskett as a couple. I always thought that the Moonlighting curse was stupid with this show, because in my mind Caskett are more like Hart to Hart and will work in the long haul because from day one the flirtatious and inside winks between them were genuine. I would love to see 10-12 seasons, they could evolve to private investigation (which justifies Castle’s involvement).. The agency needs Javi & Ryan (of course).. But it could breathe new life into the show once Caskett settles down, gets married (no kids!) like around season 7 or 8.

          Again, that’s my take. :)

          Comment by DarkDefender – March 27, 2013 10:01 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • None of the cases on Castle are realistic. In fact, the whole concept of the show is unrealistic – a fiction writer shadowing a murder detective for 4+ years? I mean, come on. If you want realism this isn’t really the show for you. What is “real” is the emotion, the comedy, and the drama. That’s what makes the show great.

    Comment by LaurenMC – March 26, 2013 07:09 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I agree with a couple of the comments above – I watch Castle for entertainment, not realism.

    Comment by Susan – March 26, 2013 07:28 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I clapped during the show. Twice! Seamus Dever did an awesome job. I thought the scenes with Siobhan were great, especially the end, when he admitted that what they had was real, and he did it for her (not in so many words, but it was all there). Loved it when he called out to his gang. And they’re pregnant, Yay! All-in-all a great episode.

    Comment by KD – March 26, 2013 07:29 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I think that those who think whole Jordan thing is random, miss the point. What Castle was telling Beckett is that he essentially suffers from imposter syndrome. He doesn’t believe that he deserves the adulation and covers it up with the class clown act. He has been trying to do enough to feel that he deserves the kudos that he gets. That is actually pretty deep and thus deserving of the kiss and whatever follows.

    Comment by Sally Ramsey – March 26, 2013 07:29 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I don’t believe we missed the point. I believe we just don’t think it was handled properly. We all know Castle is deeper then the class clown he pretends to be.
      There are many other events that Castle could feel guilty/anxiety about, such as lying to Beckett about her father’s killer, torturing a man, watching his father kill people in cold blood, etc. The writing kudos just seems small in comparison to many other things.

      Comment by taliesin – March 26, 2013 07:34 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Yes

        Comment by LaurenMC – March 26, 2013 07:51 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Exactly. Took the words right out of my mouth.

        Comment by Jessica Buono (@Missjbo) – March 26, 2013 07:55 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • No, all of those examples you give (Beckett’s Mother, right??) would not be about Castle’s psyche, all those examples are about someone else (Beckett, Hunt, saving his daughter). This example probes deeply into Castle’s image of who he is. I accept that there was some off-screen trigger that had him dreaming of that purchased paper long ago. This is the beginning of the ‘learning to be a writer story’ that Castle did NOT share with Kate when he opened up to her about Damian’s role in his life a few seasons back. This example is awesome and spot on perfect. Watching Castle share with Beckett and the pain of the memory tore my heart out for him–the shame of what he had done, the effect on his life even to this day, his fears that it would negatively influence Kate’s opinion of him…all heartbreaking. GREAT emotional storytelling and great television. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Castle and Beckett are the absolutely best fictional characters I’ve had the pleasure to know since Harm and Mac, bar none.

        Comment by Guppy – March 27, 2013 07:48 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • YES. Thank you. Very insightful.

      Comment by Lauren – March 26, 2013 07:35 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Interestingly enough there is a blog over on the Huffington Post today by a writer who talks about the shame/fraud feeling she had passing off someone elses work as her own. The plausibility of the plot point is as real as everyone who believes it was lame. It’s easy to Monday quarterback a show with no knowledge of how the writers are moving the characters forward in the upcoming 6 episodes. It’s a fictional show. FICTION. Plausibility is in the eye of the beholder and the necessity of that plausibility is also in the viewers hands.

      Comment by Nicademus11 – March 26, 2013 10:23 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Was the Jordan story random? Yes, I think so. But does that make it less poignant or meaningful? Here, in my opinion, the answer is ‘no.’ What I like about Sally’s comment is that it highlights what Castle’s story *means* in the context of the Caskett relationship. It carries the love story forward in a positive way, without having to dredge up more recent issues (Alexis’ abduction, the sudden appearance of Castle’s father) that would require more than a two-minute dialogue to cover adequately. Not every conversation has to touch on the mytharc; sometimes, conversations are meaningful not because of the subject matter, but because of the emotion strength required for the characters to even have the conversation at all. I think this one is a case in point.

      Comment by Lauren – March 26, 2013 11:23 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I was looking forward to tonight because I remember Seamus Dever playing a bad guy on another TV show and he was pretty convincing. I enjoyed that part thoroughly. I actually wish he could have been Fenton over serveral episodes because he did a great job. Maybe he can bring back Fenton some other time.

    A note in general – I find that any episode where we lose the normal screen time for the characters is a bit lacking in some way. I need Castle and Beckett in the center, of course, and little touches of Javi, Ryan, Martha, and Alexis. And I need them to be together. It’s one of the things I notice I did not like about the Hamptons episode.

    Comment by davej – March 26, 2013 07:48 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I totally ‘get’ what you are saying. I do however, think about how as actors carrying the lead roles (seen in nearly every scene), both Nathan and Stana have a heavy load to carry. I smile thinking of them having a few extra days off to rest, recreate, or pursue other projects and feel more personally fulfilled (adding variety and avoiding burn out in their acting careers) when an episode focuses on others. We haven’t seen The Lives of Others yet but I think Nathan will be off screen as much as on, a gift to the actor? At the start of Season 5 filming last summer, Molly Quinn shot scenes for a few episodes I believe then was permitted to zip off to the East Coast for a while to be in a movie! If you don’t think this is a factor for actors, contract renewals, etc, find and read Susan Sullivan’s reactions to the stresses of being ‘front and center’ for just one episode in Season 4 (the bank robbery hostage episode). I believe the Executives and Producers being empathetic and flexible with the actors and the schedules and the storytelling will help keep the actors happy and hopefully result in 10, 12 or more seasons of Castle!!!! Of course this may not be the primary reason but it is woven into the complete picture, for sure.

      Comment by Guppy – March 27, 2013 07:59 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I agree this was a pretty thin episode. The notion that the subject of Ryan’s work prior to joining the homicide division never came up is hard to believe. That must have been the easiest job interview ever! The notion that Ryan could just walk back into an undercover role after seven years as a homicide detective is even harder to believe. The Caskett moments still feel flat to me. Castle and Beckett seemed to have better chemistry before they became a couple. Now it’s hard to suspend belief and accept these two people as being in a relationship.

    Comment by Tom – March 26, 2013 07:57 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • It was an okay episode but Beckett and Castle have definitely lost their chemistry. Fillon and Katic look super awkward together, and it’s really bugging me. I wish the writers from the start would’ve allowed these two to portray their relationship like a couple they should be instead of the shell of the relationship they are. I just think Nathan and Stana can’t sell the relationship, there’s just this slight awkwardness there. Just my two cents. (Pretty sure I’ll be called a hater because god forbid someone criticizes Castle *rme*)

    Comment by Katie – March 26, 2013 08:04 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • right there with you…the end scene was ridiculous, story came out of nowhere and it didn’t make me feel anything for castle, then the kiss was just awkward. reminds me of the valentine’s day episode when castle awkwardly hugs kate. nathan and stana lost their chemistry and marlowe kinda admitted in an interview that he lost track of castle and beckett this season so there you go…

      Comment by olivia – March 26, 2013 08:44 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Did anyone else expect a 6-7 year old to come out of the second bedroom and tell his/her mom not to forget to pack Mr. Whiskers? It would have been interesting for Ryan to find out he has a child that gets whisked off to witness protection. They could have then cut to his current wife, desperate for a baby.

    Comment by Emily – March 26, 2013 08:22 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • ^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
      It would have also explained why he was getting slapped by the women! Then again, a good Irish-Catholic girl wouldn’t do it before marriage. ;)

      Comment by Suz – March 26, 2013 12:53 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • Exactly! I thought her reaction was a bit much for 7 year old heartbreak, if there was not a child involved.

        Comment by Emily – March 26, 2013 01:18 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I think a lot of comments above are spot on and really extend to this entire season. For Marlowe not thinking there’s a Moonlighting curse, he sure is writing the season like there’s one. I think the strange, surface-level relationship he’s shown in the past 18 episodes has created a super awkward chemistry between Katic and Fillion that was never there in the past. Unless they had an additional falling out, I can’t think of another reason it would seem so strained/awkward. It’s a shame because the small reveals of the character stories (Beckett’s onion so to say) have always been handled so well and now all of a sudden this weird “Jordan” story pops out of nowhere. It’s just all very confusing and I’m a little lost at the intention of Marlowe and team throughout this season. And don’t bother with the criticism, I’ll continue watching, I simply have a different opinion than most of the fandom.

    Comment by Justatvfan – March 26, 2013 08:40 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I think I opened the floodgates by posting a few moments ago, but I’m catching up on the conversation and leaving my $.02 before I head off… :-)

      Anyway, I think your blame may be misplaced. Things that are written don’t create awkward chemistry. Chemistry is the nearly tangible vibe between two people in any given moment moment. Things that are written could magnify the existence or absence of chemistry, and I think — as has been the case since the show began — this is what we’re seeing now: Only, as of the late, the writing of certain moments between the characters is highlighting something.

      Not sure what that “something” is, but in reading the comments here, it’s clearly off-putting to some people. And I really am glad I’m not alone there. Because it was bugging me, and I didn’t know why.

      Comment by so it's not just me? – March 26, 2013 09:09 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I liked the episode, despite it’s predictability, and enjoyed Ryan a lot. And as a big Caskett fan thoroughly enjoyed the opening kitchen scene. However, didn’t think the end scene worked. Don’t get me wrong, always lovely to see them smooching. :) but it seemed like this was the first time in the series I thought Stana’s performance fell short, then on re-watching, I think the fault may lie with the abruptness of the scene, it felt rushed, and the story seemed lame and out of context. But as a fan, even a shoddy Castle episode is better than a lot of other TV, so I’m good.

    Comment by Lori – March 26, 2013 08:41 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Liked this episode better than I though I would, but I definitely agree that the case/Castle story was a little far fetched/random. That being said, couldn’t help but smile at the end Caskett scene. And am really looking forward to next week!!

    Comment by Becca – March 26, 2013 09:02 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Every now and then you see an actor who steals scenes, and then there is Cara Buono who stole an entire episode. It’s as if she walked on the set and said to the regulars, this is the way it’s done. Truely a tour de force, one for the archives, she out shone everyone else Monday night and conducted a master class.

    Comment by lame – March 26, 2013 09:09 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Loved the episode and the ending. Very happy for Kevin and Jenny!
    To me the chemistry is still their between Nathan and Stana, it’s different then when they weren’t together but certainly still present. My opinion of course.

    Comment by Astrid – March 26, 2013 09:18 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I agree, for me the chemistry is still there, and strong as ever…different, of course, because the situations aren´t the same! That´s my opinion, but maybe the way I see chemistry is different from others, idk…

      Comment by Mary – March 26, 2013 01:58 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • It is true that this episode took some leaps of faith, but I’ve noticed that in most undercover-work stories across most shows. He left the mob with his cover intact, had an evidence-backed story for his seven years of absence, a reason for returning at that moment, and he had Bobby S. hold a loaded gun at his head and told him to pull the trigger. So I was willing to suspend a little belief and buy into it. Especially as Ryan was so bad***. They did something similar with Deeks on NCIS:LA. He had a particular undercover persona he hated and wasn’t proud of, and never shared it with anyone. Then the need for him to resume it came up, and he had to find a way to “reappear”. How did Ryan “hide” for so long so nearby? I don’t know. I guess by avoiding all of the places the mob would frequent and some prayers. I absolutely buy that Ryan wouldn’t dish to Jenny OR to Espo. He was trying to put it behind him, especially as he had had feelings for S. I thought Seamus Dever delivered a wonderful performance, and I’d love to see more Ryan-centric episodes. And episodes that showcase the other supporting cast members. Some of the plot demanded leaps in logic, but Seamus never did. And I, too, loved the scene in which he called his team out of the shadows.

    Yay for the Caskett kiss! I miss Alexis and Martha (although I get their absence for this particular episode). I’m happy for Jenny and Ryan. Being infertile would have been a more interesting twist, but that would have been too much for Ryan in that episode. Jordan? I get the point of it, but I agree that it was somewhat thin. I was rather smitten with the episode, however, thanks to Seamus.

    Comment by 4theloveoffilm – March 26, 2013 10:17 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Honestly, I love Caskett but Nathan looked so awkward in that end scene, it’s like he’s afraid to touch her. I don’t know why directors don’t ask for another take. Stana sells Kate being in love and passionate about Castle but since they got together, I haven’t seen anything from Castle that tells me he’s into her. I’m gonna wait till the end of season to see if that’s done deliberately or it’s just Nathan not knowing how to play man who’s in love with his girlfriend.

    Comment by mary – March 26, 2013 10:18 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • Have people never been in an actual relationship? Since when does chemistry and the will they/won’t they – when will they – cat and mouse seductiveness hold once a relationship is consumated? Pent up anticipation is a vastly different thing then settling into intimacy. The transition Marlowe has given us this season is that, a shift to intimacy which doesn’t have the heightened intensity of a lead up. He also has stated in several interviews that the goal of this season was to get back to being lighthearted because the prior season and a half had been so dark. With 6 episodes left after next week, perhaps we should give the shows creator the benefit of the doubt around the characters and story arcs he built to make us care in the first place.

    Comment by Nicademus11 – March 26, 2013 10:33 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • Please spare me the “have you been in an actual relationship” B.S. Yeah I’m married so what’s your point? Great you like the way everything is going well others don’t. Marlowe isn’t some saint, we’re allowed to criticize the way he’s handled some things with Caskett.

      Also some people’s issue with Caskett aren’t based on the lack of kissing or sex scenes, it’s much more than that. So please spare me the diatribe about being in actual relationship or how it’s different settling into intimacy. No it’s not different.

      Comment by Melanie – March 26, 2013 10:43 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
      • It’s a TV show. I’m just as entitled to voice my opinion about it as you are to voice yours. I never said I liked the way everything was going, I didn’t write a diatribe nor did I annoint Marlowe to sainthood. People can Monday quarterback the handling of the central relationship all they want from the lack of sex scenes to the lack of lighting in said scenes. It’s a comments section. I merely expressed mine. I didn’t ask anyone to agree with me. Again, with 6 episodes left in the season, I simply think giving the person who created a set of characters TV viewers are obviously invested in the benefit of completing the story arc he created is something to consider.

        Comment by Nicademus11 – March 26, 2013 11:10 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
        • Nicademus11 I think your comment was perfectly fine. The problem is that there are people- on BOTH sides of the Caskett fandom- who jump all over someone who disagrees with them. It’s caused everyone to be so defensive. Not everyone who loves Caskett the way they are worships Marlowe and not everyone who hates the way Caskett has been portrayed wants blatant sex scenes. It’s just a shame everyone can’t discuss it like adults.

          Comment by Julie – March 26, 2013 06:10 PM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • There is plenty left to get to. Castle has said “I love you” whereas Kate has said “I want you” and “I like you.” The relationship is intrinsically unequal right now. The next big question is whether we will get an “I love you” out of Beckett. Maybe there is room for that in the final six. Maybe it will be in season six. In many ways, it will be more important than sexual consummation was.

      Comment by Sally Ramsey – March 26, 2013 10:45 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • The problem is that it tries to do both at once. I also think they’re playing the relationship as a relatively real thing and not a hyped-up sort of stupidity you see on other shows (Grey’s comes to mind).

    On the other hand, the cases, and their outcomes are more often than not flights of fancy and/or illogic. So, this creates a tonal disconnect between the two halves of the series, and I think creates the same divide between the fanbase.

    Since I prefer light mysteries where the dangers aren’t always real — let’s face it, Beckett has survived an apartment explosion, a gunshot near the heart, her car being sunk in the river and having both hands slip from a ledge — the logic problems are acceptable and the romance comes and goes as needed. It’s not a big deal to me.

    Heck, she seems to be spending most every night now in his loft, so if you can’t count that as progress w/o seeing them between the sheets, than I don’t know what to tell you

    Comment by skrable2 – March 26, 2013 10:50 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • LOL – this one made me smile – logic and episodic television are not good bed fellows. However regardless of whether we see it or not I suspect Beckett and Castle are. ;)

      Comment by Nicademus11 – March 26, 2013 11:14 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
  • I know you kids are going to hate me, but I watched a bit of Bones this season and I find the chemistry between their leads much more palpable than Castle’s. Don’t shoot me over this but it’s honestly how I feel. I think Boreanaz/Deschanel aren’t as rigid as Fillion/Katic — you can definitely tell one couple is more comfortable with each other than the latter. I think the Castle showrunners cursed themselves by being afraid of the Moonlighting curse — which is too bad because the Caskett relationship had a lot of potential to be the best thing on TV but instead it’s faltered into the sunset.

    Comment by Richard – March 26, 2013 10:55 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I watch both shows and I would agree, but I think it’s far too early to say Castle has lost its magic.

      The thing with Bones is that the impediments to Booth and Breenan getting together were always other romantic interests, whereas in Castle it centered around breaking down the emotional walls of the couple.

      Also, Bones exists in a professional setting where the relationship is known and welcomed, whereas Castle and Beckett can’t be a couple at work; this also creates some distance.

      I would argue that the Pelant character is the only impediment to Booth and Bones at this stage. Sometime I watch an episode and wonder why in the world would the FBI be called into the case at hand, instead of local authorities. And why aren’t they chasing Pelant every week until he’s caught.

      Booth and Brennan have no where else to go at this point, which makes sense after so many years, except down the aisle. But if they never do that, it doesn’t appear that this will change what they have.

      With Castle and Beckett, they’re still working toward that safe harbor.

      Comment by skrable2 – March 26, 2013 11:06 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I recently watched an episode of Bones and I found it to be the exact opposite of what you’re saying.Not saying you’re wrong, just funny how everyone sees things differently :)

      Comment by Astrid – March 26, 2013 11:09 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I think Castle’s problem is that Stana and Nathan aren’t getting along behind the scenes, a problem I felt David and Emily had from after “Shot” to just before last night’s episode it seems. But instead of forcing intimacy, we saw B/B in more domestic settings, irritating some fans but avoiding the awkwardness brought on by forced romance. Castle pushed the romance instead, giving us an odd, borderline uncomfortable kissing scene.

      Comment by Kwapple – March 26, 2013 11:35 AM PDT  Reply To This Post
    • I really hate to compare tv shows but there is a world of difference between the way BB kiss and the way Caskett kiss. It was SO nice to finally be able to *see* Caskett kiss in a well-lit scene but imo the kiss was awkward and Castle just didn’t seem to be that involved with the kiss and he didn’t know what to do with his hands and idk, the scene just seemed so awkward to me (and they were barely kissing on the mouth)

      This is just my opinion, but I don’t sense that awkwardness when BB kiss (their ending kiss last night was amazing).

      I know people will feel differently about this but I just hope that Caskett’s future kisses don’t seem as awkward to me as it did last night.

      Comment by Liza – March 26, 2013 12:26 PM PDT  Reply To This Post

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