Revenge Recap: Relive the Killer Fire & Ice Ball, Plus Scoop on What Follows that Big [Spoiler]!

[Warning: If you have yet to watch Wednesday's Revenge, avert your eyes now! Everyone else, read on...]

Now, that’s how you do a murder mystery.

Wednesday night’s Revenge finally brought viewers back to the Fire & Ice Ball, the fateful night that kicked off the addicting ABC series and seemingly found Daniel shot outside the party. But did the eldest Grayson offspring really meet his maker? And if so, who pulled the trigger?

Here, we break down what went down in Revenge‘s hotly-anticipated “Chaos,” and reveal what’s ahead for those still alive and well-ish in the Hamptons.

THE BIG REVEAL? | Color us devastated shocked when in the first few moments of the episode — with Emily Thorne’s signature voiceover lingering in the background — Daniel Grayson, the man we’d all hoped and prayed was not actually the body from the pilot, was shown toppling forward in slow-motion and hitting the sandy floor… face first! Of course, that was just a glimpse of what lied ahead in the hour, and thus the installment officially commenced…

INFINITY BOX BANDIT | The episode wasted no time unveiling who was behind the theft of Emily’s box o’ revenge, and it was not the obvious choice, Amanda. The sick and twisted Tyler — who was last seen being carted off to the loony bin — was the culprit, and in true psycho form he wasted no time educating himself on each and every one of Em’s secrets. He had also taken Amanda hostage as another form of leverage over his enemy, and, ever the gentleman, took it upon himself to fill her in on Emily’s actual motives — further alienating the onetime juvie pals. Upon contacting Emily, Tyler made his demands known: tons of money in exchange for his silence and Amanda’s freedom.

FAUXMANDA FTW! | Miffed by what she’d learned about her so-called “sister,” Amanda teamed up with Tyler to take Emily down a peg (or 10!), and ambushed her pal during their ransom swap. The two got away scot-free, but Tyler continued his reign of terror and insisted Amanda crash the Fire & Ice Ball with him. The plan: Kill Daniel, frame Emily. But homegirl quickly realized that she wasn’t up for a murder — Em, after all, had saved her from being pinched for Frank’s murder — and successfully escaped her captor.

SETTING SAIL | Jack decided to leave the Hamptons for an opportunity to do some good in Haiti — a trip secretly arranged by Em to get him out of town safely. But just as he was about to set sail, Amanda showed up. She begged him to take her back, and, while he did agree to give her another shot, he confirmed that Em was actually a cheerleader for their relationship, not the manipulator Tyler made her out to be. After giving him a long kiss goodbye, Amanda (bleeding?) once again bailed on her man to save Em.

SHADES OF GRAYSON | Daniel found himself sickened by his family’s drama and made a unilateral decision to escape to Paris with Emily following the ball. Queen Victoria quickly caught wind of the plan and planted seeds of doubt in her son’s head, telling him that Emily will decline his offer because it would mean losing out on the chance to inherit the clout that comes with the Grayson name. And, unfortunately, Emily did burst her fiancé’s travel-abroad bubble (though we know the real reason was so she could continue to exact her revenge). Daniel was understandably distraught by her choice and took a walk — alone — on the beach, setting the scene rather nicely for a murder.

SANDY SHOWDOWN | With the aforementioned scene set, Tyler arrived and held Daniel at gunpoint while revealing to him some of Emily’s secrets — and by that, we mean he still had his grubby little mitts on Em’s red X-covered Grayson Global photo and was waving it about frivolously.

MAYBE MURDER | In hot pursuit of Amanda, Jack hauled butt to the beach, only to find his honey hunched over what looked to be a dead body. So, he sent her away and attempted to cover it up, officially bringing us back to the same scene in the Revenge pilot.

SAVED BY THE SENSEI? | Emily’s adviser Takeda returned at a most opportune time — with Em’s secret-keeping box in tact — and seemingly joined forces with her right-hand man, Nolan, in an attempt to take down both Tyler and Amanda. It’s unclear what actions he took to save his mentee, but in the end he drove away with Amanda by his side. Might he have gotten rid of Em’s onetime cohort for good?

THE BIG REVEAL! | As was shown in Revenge‘s premiere, Charlotte and Declan happened upon a body on the beach while Jack was in the midst of moving it, and they for some reason assumed it was a dead Daniel. But lo and behold — dun, dun, dun! — the body (dead or alive) belonged to Tyler. A stunned and bloodied Daniel soon joined the congregated partiers, but not before Mama Victoria embraced him and eerily warned, “Don’t say a word.” Oh, and then there’s the matter of the mysterious hand that plucked the X-ed photo from Tyler’s lifeless body….

AND EVERYTHING ELSE | Charlotte, clearly in a state of emotional turmoil, swiped some of Jack’s highly-addictive pain pills and began to take them at the ball…. Victoria agreed to Conrad’s divorce terms (she gets the manor, but zero shares of Grayson Global), only to reveal to the audience that she still has revenge on the mind in the form of a call to the SEC about some (alleged?) illegal affairs going on in the family business… Grandpa Grayson proved a worthy schemer himself when, upon learning that Charlotte was going to speak to a therapist about their family woes, he blackmailed his granddaughter into keeping quiet in exchange for her boyfriend Declan’s acceptance into private school.

WHAT LIES AHEAD…

• “This is all really the lead-off to the series,” a contagiously enthusiastic Gabriel Mann tells TVLine of this week’s big murder reveal. “Now we can really start to have fun — and not that we weren’t before, but [Revenge] has taken on a different kind of depth for all of us.” Mann adds that while showrunner Mike Kelley “wanted to deliver on his promise to have answers” in Episode 15, what we got “really just cracked the egg shell.”

• Contrary to what you might have heard, Tyler’s murder mystery is not the main arc for the rest of the season. “What we see [at the end of 'Chaos'] only continues to unfold over the next couple episodes,” Mann reveals. “And then we jump back into this wider world that has actually been happening and led to this summer.”

• As for what went down between Nolan and Takeda, Mann teases, “There might have been a knowing look between the two. I would say that some of the things that people pick up on in this episode will raise some new bombs down the road.”

• Christa B. Allen says the pill-popping is “just the beginning of a downward spiral for Charlotte. She definitely has to look to Declan for support, and the future of their relationship depends on how he responds.”

• When it comes to Emily and Charlotte’s major sibling secret, Allen teases, “It’s got to come out at some point! Right now someone just died, so they’ve got to figure out the ‘whodunit,’ and once that’s all out of the way and the storm settles a bit, they can get down to brass tacks and find out who is related to whom.”

What did you think of Revenge‘s big episode? Are you happy Daniel lived to see another day? Who do you think pulled the trigger? Hit the comments!


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197 Comments
  1. Nerwen Aldarion says:

    I would love to know how the shooter was wearing black gloves but now isn;t. I would love to know where the gloves Tyler was wearing went because when they were dragging his body away in the pilot, they were gone. I would love to know how we actually see Daniel (yes that was Daniel, look at the sideburns) falling to the ground but then it becomes Tyler.
    I would love to know how they plan to fill these obviously gaping holes or how they expect to make the killing off of a middling character into something serious.
    I have a sickening feeling that Revenge just jumped the shark.

    • lara says:

      I think that Tyler did shoot Daniel first and that’s when we see him falling (you can see blood on Daniel’s shirt). Then I’m guessing Amanda shot Tyler or something to save him? But I do think that Daniel was shot.

      • Nerwen Aldarion says:

        Where did Tyler’s black gloves go then? What about the shooter who shot multiple times, we saw the shooter shoot multiple times into the prone figure on the beach and that shooter was wearing black gloves. Daniel wasn’t, Tyler was, but then when Tyler is lying dead on the beach, his gloves are gone.
        Revenge just pulled a fast one and it is ridiculous. Killing off Tyler is pointless to be honest, what good does it do? Now everything since the pilot seems like a waste of time, especially with the plotholes that are blatantly obvious.

        • Irishgirl says:

          It’s possible the black gloves are just a continuity error. They filmed the pilot in North Carolina, and had to do some reshoots after Emily’s father was recast. So they may have just forgotten the gloves.

          • Nerwen Aldarion says:

            I’d be willing to believe that, except that Tyler was wearing black gloves throughout the entire episode. They wanted to imply that Tyler was the one who was doing the shooting, not the one being shot.
            To try and pull the wool over out eyes, they created a plothole that doesn’t make sense. But As you can see below, there are more reasons why I’m disappointed and it has more to do with plot than insulting measures TPTB took to try and trick us.

          • Over says:

            The gloves are not a continuity error. They changed the storyline. Jumping the shark is right. They ruined the show because people were thrilled with Josh Bowman. His character is a bore. As Victoria said, he’s fickle. That is not a good trait, especially in a guy; it’s very much a turn off. Amanda could have easily kept on top of the Grayson’s by being Charlotte’s sister. They probably had that storyline in place to begin with & then succumbed to the viewers.

        • Ryan says:

          Amanda was wearing black gloves during the episode, too, and was also wearing what looked to be the same jacket as the killer (we do see the wrists of the gloved hands of the killer and they’re covered in dark fabric, like Amanda’s jacket). Chances are, Daniel got knocked out, holding the picture, Amanda killed Tyler, took the picture, and that’s when Jack showed up. Don’t cry plot hole when the story’s just beginning. If you’ve been paying as much attention to the season as you are to the costumes, then you would’ve known from the beginning that Daniel wasn’t going to die. Most people – myself included – called the red herring from the moment Tyler showed up and only had doubts when Tyler left town a few episodes ago.

          • Guy says:

            Yes that maybe true but if you look closely the person who did the final couple of shots is definitely a man because of the hairy arms. My guess is it is the bloke who was working for the Grayson’s and was Emily’s person and was fired remember. Either that or Grandpa Grayson.
            Either way it is going to be a great end to the season coming up. Bring it on.

          • Tarc says:

            yup, it’s obviously WAY too early to be suggesting plot holes when we have no clue what the actual plot is.

        • Tarc says:

          I think the entire episode was very carefully constructed; there are no plot hole as far as I can see. It’s also pretty goofy to suggest that the show so far has been a ‘waste of time’, since it’s part of the whole point of an episodic television show is the journey – and in the case of Revenge, a really unexpectedly fun one.

        • Drakes says:

          All we saw, was Daniel falling to the ground, then a different camera angle (with no Daniel in it) with a gun firing twice towards the ground.
          Daniel could have been hit over the head, thus the falling.
          The gun could have been Amanda shooting Tyler.
          Number of possibilities… have to tune in to find out.
          But overall an amazing episode, each week this show becomes more and more my favorite hour of tv to watch each week!

      • Bobbi says:

        It was the Japanese sensi that took care of all of this. remember he told Emily when he handed her her box disguised as a wedding gift, that both Tyler and Amanda?!? seems some of you missed parts, at least this one….

        • Bobbi says:

          ooppsss meant to say that Takeda, emilys sensi is the one who said that he would take care of taylor and emily……remember he drove away with emily in his car? He is the one that killed taylor also…Dont know if he shot Daniel or if taylor did though

          • torontogirl98 says:

            I totally think it was Takeda who shot Tyler, he just seems like the most likely option saying he would take care of it, having the box that Tyler stole and all of that. I am so happy it was Tyler who got shot I am really warming up to Daniel now too

    • JP says:

      I definitely think there were a few continuity issues, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for now until it all plays out and everything is explained fully.
      But I will say that I was strangely disappointed in this episode and the hyped up, supposedly “shocking” dead body reveal. Perhaps it was just me, but it was so predictable, both during and before this episode. I guessed it weeks ago. I thought the show had a real chance to do something daring by killing off a likable character, but instead killed off, as you said, a middling character that frankly no body cares about. It was classic network TV decision making. This is why cable shows are so far ahead of network TV in terms of quality. They’re not afraid to take chances and do things that truly are shocking.

      • Nerwen Aldarion says:

        I have to agree. Not only are the continuity issues just insulting, but the fact is that this episode was hyped as a major gamechanger. Instead of actually doing something new and shocking, they pull a bait and switch which makes all of the hype, completely overrated.

        • Snapy says:

          Agreed. I’m thoroughly disappointed. The Revenge powers that be just lost my trust. Done with this show.

          • Bobbi says:

            OMG…are you all serious about the production issues? we do ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS A TV SHOW HERE RIGHT?? lol people, some just watch this for pleasure not look for all the bad in the production….just goes to show about all the negative people in this world that have nothing better to do except point out others bad points…hmmm time to look within??? THIS IS JUST A TV SHOW If you want to play CSI, then watch them. Leave this show to the people who WANT to enjoy it….jeessshhh

        • Tarc says:

          Considering that you have NO idea (zip, zero, nada) if there are continuity issues, you’re simply blowing smoke.

      • Maddie says:

        I agree. And you’d think they might be more daring since the show is at 10pm. But with this, and their gay kiss cop out, they might as well take an 8pm spot.
        Lots happened in the episode but the only resolution we had was a disappointing one. A truly shocking reveal would have been Daniel’s dead body. Now my jaw would have hit the floor.
        I still love the show though; I hope it will get exciting and clever like it was.

    • Dave says:

      BEcaue whoever actually killed Tyler was smart enough to get rid of the gloves and clean the scene up before Jack got there. My guess is Ninja guy did it, Knocked daniel out in the process (hence the falling down and not remembering.)

      • Nerwen Aldarion says:

        Okay, let’s assume that in all of the shuffle of Amanda showing up a the body, Jack showing up at the body, Charlotte and Declan showing up at the body, that somehow in all of that the killer managed to find a window to pull off leather gloves and leave the body as prone as when he fell… ridiculous but this is tv world.
        How about the accusation that this changes nothing? How is this a game changer? How have things changed?
        Tyler, a character that was already gone and not really missed, is now dead. Okay, now Emily’s secret is safe in that regard.
        But oops he told Daniel…who just conveniently lost memory….okay…so nothing has changed on that front.
        Daniel is going to be charged with murdering Tyler…except that Tyler is the mentally deranged violent offender that pulled a gun on his family at Daniel’s birthday…what court in their right mind go through with this? The self defense claim writes itself, even if they can’t prove Tyler brought the gun, it’s his word against Daniel’s…who is obviously much more reliable. Throw in the fact that a jury would be biased towards what is probably a credible threat to Daniel’s safety…
        Honestly I’d be less upset if they had Jack taking the fall for the murder of Tyler, it would have made him collateral damage again and caused emotional turmoil as Emily would have to decide if letting Jack be tried for murder would be worth keeping her secret. Instead they went the route they did, a bait and switch which is full of holes and ultimately changes nothing.
        How can I be anything but disappointed?

        • Danyelle says:

          I hear good things about Top Chef. Bon appetit!

        • Emily says:

          Nerwen, relax. Revenge is in its first year. These kinds of criticisms of the showrunners is something best saved for later seasons. They haven’t been on air nearly long enough to deserve these kinds of jaded accusations. If things fall in place as you expected, then by all means, you can write off the show and stop watching. But the bottom line is, you don’t know what’s going to happen. Yet. Cut them some slack!

    • Danyelle says:

      Did you WATCH the end of the episode? There’s a whooooole sequence of events that we haven’t seen yet, with Tyler, Daniel, the Japanese guy, maybe Emanda…. Patience, Francis.

    • Bee says:

      uh.. i think someone’s being fooled lol we don’t know what exactly transpired on the beach! we know daniel was shot while holding the picture tyler had, we know someone with a glove shot someone two times, and that’s it. daniel WAS shot. that’s why there was blood on him when he showed up at the end. but we don’t know what happened in between him being shot and jack pulling tyler’s body
      revenge hasn’t jumped the shark lmao in fact i believe it’s preparing to blow your mind again :)

      • Ryan says:

        I actually disagree with the idea that Daniel was shot. We never saw him get shot. We saw him collapse on the beach, unconscious, and we saw gloved hands fire a gun at someone on the ground. Daniel was fine when he walked up to Victoria – just stumbling like he was shaken to the core and he had smeared blood on his shirt that was either Tyler’s or Amanda’s (remember: she’s injured, too, and was on the beach). But, no matter what, I totally agree with you that it’s ridiculous to get upset about this now when we don’t have the full story and when it’s clear that this is just the beginning of the series – the catalyst to set off the core story for the world that these characters exist in.

    • Captain says:

      The point of this episode was to tie-up the major questions looming from the pilot and to introduce questions that will later be answered. Just because everything wasn’t tied up with a pretty bow at the end of the hour doesn’t mean they won’t be later on. I highly doubt they would show Daniel falling to the ground JUST to throw people off.

    • Nina says:

      You wrote the exact same thing on the tv guide article. It’s simple: Takeda knocked Daniel out so he wouldn’t witness anything. He was falling to the ground with the photo in hand because he was knocked out. Then Takeda took the picture and shot Tyler. Yes, he too, can own black gloves.

    • Emily_Liu says:

      All those questions are the specific details that the TV editor suspended,I think he would explain them all in the coming episode.

    • tlcinvt says:

      I’m re-watching the episode right now, and it doesn’t look like Tyler, Daniel, or Amanda shoot those two rounds in the back of whoever was on the ground at that point. We definitely see Daniel fall, but whether he was shot, or knocked out, who really knows. The person who picks up the photo beside Daniel is wearing a black dress jacket with a white shirt underneath (and is obviously a man). This doesn’t fit any of the guests that I remember, since it was a “Fire & Ice” or red and white party. It doesn’t specifically show the arm of the shooter, only the hand in a dark glove. So that could be Amanda, Tyler, or someone entirely new. One would think that whoever picked up the photo is also likely the shooter, since that person was also wearing dark gloves.

  2. Mike says:

    So they didn’t have the balls to kill him off and instead Tyler had had turned into a cartoon villain is gone. Big deal.

    • Nerdista says:

      Oh my god, you’re finally here! I’ve waited my whole life for someone who was too cool for school and YOU’RE FINALLY HERE! Tell me, does only the firs season of Glee not suck?! Was the finale of Lost abysmal?! I’ve spend my whole life thinking things were cool when clearly I’ve set my standards too low! My life can begin anew! Finding things that I am totally above! Praise the lord!!!!!

    • Snapy says:

      Agreed. The writers didn’t have the guts to make a bold move. They took the easy way out. I won’t be watching Revenge anymore.

    • Danyelle says:

      *rubbing my eyes* Are they really people who thought Daniel was going to turn out to be that body on the beach?

      • Nerdista says:

        This is what I was thinking. Perhaps that was the initial plan but I’m pretty sure about a month in I read an interview where the writers admitted they didn’t think they could kill him off after seeing the chemistry on the show. It’s nothing to boycott anything over, that’s for sure!

  3. Eli says:

    HE’S ALIVE MOTHERF******! Long live Daniel!

  4. Daniel says:

    The fact that Josh became a fan favorite throughout the first half of the season and Tyler getting killed off was not a surprise. I’m glad actually.

  5. Annie says:

    They took the easy way out with killing Tyler, but it was probably the right decision. Even though it’s not what the writers initially planned, if they had killed Daniel, then Emily has no connection with the Graysons. It would be like what happened on Brothers and Sisters, when Emily Van Camp’s character was no longer a Walker, with that connection it was only a matter of time before she was no longer a part of the show.
    The end was anti climatic, and Daniel’s death would have been a game changer, something that the show needs, but that character is too important to the show.

    • Emily says:

      Really? I read that they’d wavered as the season progressed, but eventually decided to stick with their original plan. Which means this had been the plan all along.

      • Megan says:

        Emily, I thought I read that too! I thought I read that mostly everything has played out like they wanted from the beginning.

    • Francesca says:

      Exactly what I was thinking, I mean if they had killed Daniel than the revenge would be over! What connection would Emily have with the Graysons then? It was obvious that the relationship between them is one of the key point of her plan. Now my guess is they’ll try to charge Daniel but obviously he’ll get out scott free, I’d be more worried for Jack, don’t forget that his fingerprints are all over the phone Tyler stole, plus he must have blood stains all over his clothes. So maybe Daniel’s lawyers will try to frame Jack for Tyler’s murder, who knows? I think that there’s still plenty of room for game changing twists!!!

  6. Loni says:

    Loved the episode and this show! I always look forward to Wednesday nights now!

  7. April says:

    So glad it’s not Daniel that died. Hopefully Emily will be able to really nail Victoria…. So excited to see what’s coming!

  8. lara says:

    I really liked how it all connected together, but why would they all assume that it was Daniel?? I get that Tyler had Daniel’s phone and picture, but Declan and Char were obviously not close enough to see that. It just seemed like a way to trick viewers into caring.
    I am excited that ONE person now knows Emily’s secret. It should make for an interesting plot between Daniel/Emily.

  9. Michael Sacal says:

    Not that I dislike the actress, but I was hoping the dead character was Fake Amanda.
    Tyler is kindda meh.

  10. lorna says:

    JC I’m pmsing, been craving choc all day, and OTH made me emotional, so I was about ready tyo burst into tears and shoot myself if it was Daniel’s body. Thank God it was Tyler’s, now we have to get rid of the stupid crazy British chick who thinks it was Daniels fault. She is useless and irritating. Boy was Emily stupid tonight, leaving not only Tyler one hand free, but also the gun in the trunk and the box. Good episode.
    Obviously, the show, plus Daniel became much more popular than thought. The show is going to last longer than intended, so they aren’t killing off D (yet.)

  11. Ugh says:

    Agree with previous posters. What a let down! The writers wimped out.

  12. ysilas says:

    we see Daniel falling b4 but they re-edited and shot some more scenes for this epi recently. im guessing they changed Daniel getting killed and kept him alive

  13. WingsStef says:

    Ahh! The episode was so awesome. Well, there were a few guns going off. So maybe Daniel did shoot him but didn’t kill him. I think maybe Takeda, or an “associate” of his was involved because he was there to clean up Emanda’s “mess”.

  14. Ci says:

    We saw Daniel hit the ground in the beginning because Takeda knocked him out, that’s why he was bloody and disoriented when they found Tyler dead. Takeda shot Tyler. He then picked up Amanda and who knows what he has planned for her.

    • Ci says:

      Takeda never approved of Emily’s relationship with Daniel so he’s set it up so Daniel takes the blame for Tyler’s murder.

      • Bobbi says:

        no, Takeda knew the Emily was falling in love with JACK not Daniel, that is why her refused to help here anymore. he told her that falling in love wasnt an option and he was out. Its not Daniel that Emily loves, its Jack!!! That is why she wanted him to get out so bad. She loves Jack, SHE ALWAYS HAS!!!

        • sara says:

          I think she loves Jack but I doubt she’s in love with anyone right now.

        • Ci says:

          Emily herself was getting rid of Jack to Haiti. I don’t doubt she loves him but she is way too involved with Daniel and Takeda told her it was distracting her from her revenge plot.

    • J says:

      Agreed. I think Takeida was behind the death. I can’t wait to see what happens from here!
      Plus I think there is waaaay more going on with Ashley than we see. Over at EW last week or thereabouts they had a theory on her character and how she could be involved in the whole Revenge plot. It was interesting and I think plausible….can’t wait to see how everything plays out! I wonder if Daniel will remember the picture and what all Tyler told him, if anything, before he died. My guess is he will have short term memory loss from the traumatic event.

  15. ollie says:

    i so wanted it to be daniel i find the charcarter boring that would have been one heck of a ballsy move and just seemed to obevse after the tyler revel that he took the box he was going to be dead

  16. Al says:

    Some people may think the show took the easy way out by having it be Tyler that’s dead and not Daniel but, I think this episode was fantastic. I think the repercussions from Tyler’s death will be more substantial than if Daniel were to die. If this is just the “lead-off” to the series then they got me hook, line and sinker the rest of the season.

  17. ChrisGa says:

    Although I still think it would’ve been an extremely ballsy move to actually kill Daniel off–and really, despite all the hype and the “Daniel’s the one that fell to the ground on the beach”, did anyone REALLY think they were gonna put a cap in that character?–, I’m not sad to see cartoon caricature Tyler removed from the canvas permanently. All in all, another great episode. Say it with me–Best. New. Show. On. TV.

  18. TVAddicted says:

    I knew it was going to be Tyler. When he was first introduced I noticed he wasn’t at the party and all his crazy and lunatic/twisted/psycho attitude it just seemed like a perfect way to get rid of him once and for all! Now, who did it? Hmmm… I’m inclined to blame… Dammit! I dunno! I have a hunch it was Daniel… Can’t wait 2 weeks! Revenge is getting better and better…

  19. TheRiffRaff says:

    LOVE LOVE LOVEDDDD this episode. Although I knew they werent gonna kill off daniel (that was a tad obvious) It set up for a really great start to the second half of the season. Did Daniel really kill Tyler?
    My theory is he was knocked out when tyler was shot (explains the blood and amnesia) by the Ninja man. Him and Nolan are up to something and thats where we’ll start to see the flashbacks between David and Nolan. Nolan has some stake in this and we’ll find out why. ANYWAYS great episode all bet are off. Terrific writing.

    • J says:

      interesting thought on Nolan and David. I am eager to see what Nolan’s stake is in all this, aside from being Emily’s bestie/revenge partner/possible half-sibling?/security detail.

  20. Jenny says:

    I’m betting that Fauxmanda killed Tyler. How Daniel got scuffed up in the middle of it, who knows…but I’m just glad he’s alive. :)

  21. AJ says:

    Nerween, when do you mean we actually see Daniel falling to the ground? In the pilot or at the beginning of this episode? In the pilot, I think it was unclear who was falling to the ground. If you mean at the beginning of this episode, I agree it was definitely Daniel. They are going to have to explain that. I assume they will explain it and they just had it here at the beginning of the episode to make us really think it was Daniel who was killed and to throw us off right from the start of the episode.

    • Nerwen Aldarion says:

      Yes that is what I was referring to, the shot at the beginning that is clearly Daniel falling. Maybe they can explain that but I’d love to hear the explanation of the disappearing gloves and how this changes anything at all…

      • tarc says:

        I can explain it multiple ways… which I guess comes from reading things. I’m very inetrested so see which pans out.

      • AJ says:

        Nerween, I am not sure you will even check this, but I was wondering if you felt they sufficiently explained everything. I thought it was great and it seemed to me everything got explained. About the gloves, about Daniel falling on the beach, etc.

  22. deb says:

    I’m so excited about this show! I’m glad Daniel is alive. It’s perfect revenge to frame him for a crime he didn’t commit just like what happened to David Clark. I think the Japanese guy and Nolan are up to something. Nolan probably tipped him off to what was going on. I’m glad Tyler bit the dust he was sooo annoying. Can’t wait for more I’m hooked!

  23. Snapy says:

    It should have been Daniel. I’m disappointed. I won’t be watching anymore.

    • LuLu says:

      Why do you care so much about who gets killed. Isn’t it Emily’s goal to inflict as much emotional pain as she can on the Graysons? What is worse, a death or a long drawn out trial of their son for murder?

  24. AJ says:

    Ci, that is a really good theory about Takeda knocking out Daniel. I noticed that when Daniel stumbled back up on the beach he was bleeding from the ear. That might indicate a blow to the head.

  25. omg omg says:

    Omg! Would you whiney babies stfu – REVENGE has not jumped the shark! Everyone is so doom/gloom these days! Here is a fun, juicy show and some of you are already writing it off. Take a cold shower!

    • Snapy says:

      It absolutely jumped the shark. Revenge was a really good show, but they took the easy way out. Now it’s just average and mediocre and not worthy of my time.

      • Nerdista says:

        That’s a real insult considering complaining about it on an internet discussion board is worthy of your time ;) lighten up, just a show!

        • Nerwen Aldarion says:

          You know what is really stupid? Insulting people who happen to disagree with your opinion.
          If you can give us valid reasons for why we shouldn’t be disappointed beyond the pleasure of seeing Daniel on TV (Don’t get me wrong, I always liked the character) then we can have a nice healthy discussion about the merits of the show. And maybe convince me that I’m seeing something wrong.
          But calling us “sapheads” and “trolls” only implies that you have no other arguments to make.
          Please prove me wrong.

        • Snapy says:

          I take my TV seriously, and when a show I’m deeply invested in fails to deliver, I have the right to be pissed.

          • Nerdista says:

            Clearly! I like your spunk though! It might be useful if you found something more fulfilling to invest your time in though, t.v. will always let you down. She’s a fickle trickster, t.v.

      • KCatty says:

        The phrase “jump the shark” clearly doesn’t mean what you think it does.

  26. Rowe says:

    I can understand that a lot of people wanted the writers to take a risk and kill Daniel off, but I don’t see how the plot could logically progress further if he’s not around for Emily to use as a way to get closer to the Graysons. Keeping Daniel on not only makes the situation much more interesting between him and Emily but also gives us an opportunity to see the Graysons lose more of their reputation.

    • Snapy says:

      Daniel isn’t necessary to keep the drama going between Emily and the Graysons.

      • Linda says:

        Yes, he absolutely is. If Daniel died as a result of Emily’s shenanigans, do you really think she would still stick around and plot more revenge against the family whose son just died? She would be completely heartbroken and wracked with guilt and would pack up and leave immediately. Her sticking around and keeping up the revenge after an innocent person DIED as a result would be jumping the shark.

    • Jake says:

      The emotional turmoil of Daniel’s death would drive both Victoria and Emily to revenge. It would prove that their actions have consequences and that there are actual stakes involved that affects both parts. How both sides would respond to his death would’ve been great, dark and emotional television. This just felt manipulative.

    • Loni says:

      I totally agree. I know tons of people are saying on here that the writers took the easy way out and killed of Tyler instead of Daniel, but I disagree, by keeping Daniel alive you keep all sorts of plots going. I don’t think Emily could stomach her revenge plots any longer if Daniel, who she deems as a good person, had been killed because of the turmoil she’d caused. I think this stirs up much more drama and implications.

  27. Fabian says:

    If anything happens to Fauxmanda, I’m gonna lose it. She loves Emily so much; she better not get hurt!

  28. Jennifer says:

    I think Amanda got there in time to hit Daniel over the head to make it look like she was on Tyler’s side, and then turned on Tyler and shot him. She probably took his gloves, and the blood on Daniel was probably her blood, since she was seen bleeding in a previous scene.

    • Fabian says:

      As long as Amanda can get out of this trick sitch, I’ll be fine. I hope that Charlotte is really the killer. I don’t know how that would be conceivable, but they need to do something interesting with her character.

  29. Candice says:

    I actually hoped it was Daniel even though I know my wishes would not be granted. I’m disappointed it was Tyler. Daniel got on my nerves tonight.

  30. nikki says:

    I am very glad Daniel is alive. My sympathies lie with the grayson’s. Emanda sucks. Get over it!

  31. Nerdista says:

    Great episode and I’m totally fine with Tyler being shot. The writers made it pretty apparent in the last couple of months that Daniel would be sticking around, not sure what all the indignant self-righteous boycotting is about. Still a darn good show!

  32. Scott Russell says:

    The shooter was Takeda’s assistant. He was at the party when the shots rang out. She took the gloves. I can’t wait to see what happen next.

  33. davey says:

    For those who wanted Daniel to actually die, I don’t think that was ever going to happen. But if it’s Amanda who killed Tyler, something will obviously happen to pin the murder on someone else. But who?
    And what about Jack seeing it was Emily on the phone? But did he already see it was Tyler, he must have. Is he wondering why Emily is calling Tyler?

    • AJ says:

      Davey, Emily wasn’t calling Tyler, she was calling Daniel, but Tyler had taken Daniel’s phone to text Emily to come down to the beach. At least that’s what I think.

  34. Bee says:

    THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN. i think some folks think they pulled a switcheroo, but it was reported that they stuck to the original plan. and i’m guessing they weren’t lying since joshua bowman was a series regular from the start. if they were gonna kill him off mid-way through the season, why not just cast him as recurring?
    anyway, AWESOME episode. cannot wait to see what happens now. i have to say, even though i did a lot of guessing before the episode, i was actually surprised when it turned out to be tyler. i mean, we see daniel shot in the promos and at the beginning of the ep and just it all seemed to point to him actually dying. ahhh. LOVE revenge!

    • Snapy says:

      Series regulars have a 13-episode minimum. The Fire and Ice Ball was supposed to happen in the 13th episode but they moved it to episode 15 when the show was picked up. Daniel was supposed to die but they pussed out big time. After this trick, I can only imagine how they will disappoint us in the future, so I won’t be watching.

      • Amy says:

        What conclusive evidence do you, as a viewer (or apparently a former viewer), have that Daniel was 100% supposed to die?

      • KCatty says:

        Well, the good news for all of us is, if you’re not watching, we likely won’t have to suffer through your comments here. I believe that’s what they call a win-win.

      • Emily says:

        Okay… thanks for letting us know. I never understood why people have to make such grandiose declarations of their viewing habits. It isn’t like anyone will notice.

      • dedacia says:

        Wow….we get the point. You didn’t care for this episode and you’re not gonna watch it anymore. You can stop saying it constantly.

      • tarc says:

        Wussing out? Nah. Editing the season plot to make it more awesome? yup.

    • Rebecca says:

      I agree that this probably was the original plan, not because of how Joshua was cast, but because they CLEARLY set it up within the first few episodes, with Tyler intentionally taking on Daniel’s style and look. I thought it was clear it would be him since like, Episode 4.
      Would it have been a bolder choice to kill Daniel? Arguably (though I think there’s enough left to do with his character — esp. if he DOES remember Tyler telling him that Emily isn’t want she’s seems — that I’m not disappointed, and I’m not even that big a fan of his). But that doesn’t mean they changed their mind; just because (general) you don’t like it doesn’t mean it wasn’t their plan all along.
      They were probably always planning this “twist,” then realized a lot of people predicted it, thought about actually killing Daniel (or maybe someone else), and then decided to go with Tyler anyway.
      Honestly, the inclusion of Takeda was surprising enough that I’m still satisfied.

  35. Cat says:

    Japanese guy shot Daniel once but just a flesh would then killed Tyler. 2 shots were fired. Think Amanda just showed up at the wrong time. Japanese guy had on black gloves and jacket

  36. Jake says:

    This was pretty much a perfect episode of television right up until the ending. What a letdown. I knew they wouldn’t have the guts to go through with killing Daniel, and then they took the most easy way out by killing Tyler instead – something most of us guessed when Tyler was first introduced to the show.
    While I do think that keeping Daniel alive right now does make some sense for future storytelling purposes (and pathetic fan girl pandering), it lessens the stakes of the show. It makes the show feel safe and that’s disappointing given the initial hook of the show was about Amanda causing turmoil and tragedy upon these people’s lives. Killing Daniel would be tragic and exactly the type of collateral damage this show needs to feel fresh and surprising at this point. I’ve often compared Revenge to The Vampire Diaries, but the difference here is that Vampire Diaries early on decided to up the stakes by killing off numerous beloved characters, while Revenge has on two different occasions now kept a character alive after teasing their deaths (Lydia and Daniel). It’s starting to feel manipulative and it’s insulting my intelligence.
    I hate in medias-res openings in shows and this was definitely hurt by that. The lead-up was far more interesting than the conclusion and that’s a shame. I’ll still be watching this show, but it couldn’t hurt if it took some more risks every once in a while. It just proved now that instead of being as addictive as The Vampire Diaries and Breaking Bad, it’s a mildly ambitious, somewhat contrived soap ala Gossip Girl. Nothing wrong with that, but makes what could be a great show feel a bit toothless. Shame.

    • Snapy says:

      Completely agree, especially about lessening the stakes of the show and making it feel safe. Very disappointing.

      • tarc says:

        Aside from the fact that it upped the stakes? Adding additional, cold blooded murderers to the plot line definately ‘ups the stakes’ by any definition.

    • KCatty says:

      I get where you’re coming from… I am torn. 3 or 4 episodes ago, I would have agreed completely, but in a short period of time, they added layers to Daniel’s character, which really made me want to stick around (because despite what some posters here might suggest, people do actually like the guy not just because they are invested in the Daniel/Emily relationship). I do agree though, that it does come off as playing it safe, which could have implications for the show in the future.
      I appreciate your well-reasoned reaction to the episode, and your lack of dramatics in presenting your take on things. I’m willing to withhold judgment for at least a few episodes before concluding that we’re in Gossip Girl territory… especially having read several cast members comments on how floored they’ve been by the upcoming scripts.

  37. Irishgirl says:

    Well dammit! I posted this long comment at around 8:10pm est about how Takeda shot Tyler and either knocked out Daniel and moved him away from the scene, or Takeda moved him out of the way after Tyler shot him…….basically what most are saying here…..and the comment never posted!! Guess it got sucked into the Comment Black Hole! Ugh!
    On another note, I like the idea that Takeda killed Tyler to set up Daniel…..to get him out of Emily’s life and back on the revenge track. That didn’t occur to me, but would explain him driving off with Fauxmanda.

  38. Scott says:

    Daniel falling cld b b/c Fauxmanda knocked him out! He has no memory so got head injury!
    As for gloves, u got a great memory!

  39. Lori says:

    Maybe it was OJ’s glove. Lol.

  40. Juli says:

    Kill off Tyler was a bit of a cop-out; but, the entire scenario worked. Here’s hoping the new few episodes aren’t diminished in quality because of the switch

  41. Jake says:

    Emily van camp said that the original intention was for daniel to get shot — so I’m glad that that was changed. I’m disappointed that the great Tyler is dead, I found his character to be very fascinating but they pretty much wrote him into a corner. All in all with my extreme excitement to finally see what really happened, I was a bit disappointed because I could guess this is what would happen. Still so much in love with the show. Btw, daniel was shot, didn’t you see the blood?

  42. Emily says:

    This show has been so exciting to watch the entire season. Prior to today, there hasn’t been any other flaws, so why would there all of a sudden be so many? Easy- they aren’t mistakes. Just like everything else that’s happene so far, IT’S FOR A REASON.

  43. Kring says:

    I don’t care what anyone says. I am absolutely HAPPY that Daniel is still alive. It’s not because I have the hots for Joshua Bowman, but it’s because his character is finally becoming interesting. He’s being framed for a crime he didn’t commit. Anyone here thinks that the Graysons will be experiencing David Clarke dejavu all over again? Just think, it’s the Graysons who are on the defense this time around. :)

  44. REVENGE! says:

    GREAT EPISODE! I love this show!

  45. Linda says:

    There’s no way it could or should have been Daniel. Emily wants to mess up these people’s lives, not actually KILL anyone, and certainly not someone innocent that she was developing real feelings for. If she kept on hanging around to wreak more havoc on Victoria and Conrad after she caused the death of their son, that would make Emily a completely unrelatable, cold-blooded villain and it would be the end of the show.

  46. Danielle says:

    Jumped the shark? That tells me so much about your lack of imagination. My theory is that someone shot Tyler, knocked Daniel out (hence the memory loss), plucked the picture from his hands, and shot Tyler twice more for good measure….using his own gloves and placing Daniel’s fingerprints on the weapon. he will remember the conversation before being knocked out, including the picture, but I have a feeling he won’t let on until Emily catches him looking under her floorboards (see the next episode promo).
    I had to rewind twice to watch the knowing nod between Nolan and Ninja Guy. They must have been working together to coerce Emily into letting go of her revenge plots (“bury this box and your Father’s secrets” and “Go to Haiti with Jack and make babies!”) Very intriguing.
    Emily and Victoria will undoubtedly have to work together to get Daniel out of jail. Emily does have feelings for him, and as much as she will hate being on the same side as Victoria Grayson, she won’t let another innocent man rot in prison.
    Thank GOD that Tyler is gone. We can only hope Ashley is next. This was an amazing episode and how could it not be a game changer? Nolan and Ninja working together. Daniel partially learning Emily’s secret before being framed. Jack suddenly becoming the type of guy that would cover up a murder. Amanda and Ninja driving off into the moonlight together. Wow.

  47. Vanessa B says:

    I’m pretty sure the Sensei pulled the trigger. That dude is pretty stealth. Also, I don’t see FAmanda living too long past that car ride. Can’t wait to see it all play out.

  48. Lukas says:

    My guess is Nolan and the Japanese guy are framing Daniel so that the same fate that befell David is forced on Daniel.
    Victoria will have to watch as he is sent to prison for a crime he didn’t commit
    Poetic justice

  49. Annie says:

    Thank God Tyler is dead. What an annoying character

  50. Annie says:

    Also, I wonder if Daniel is gonna forgive Emily and join her on the Revenge.

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