Glee Recap: The Sex Factor

Warning: This week’s “controversial” episode of Glee — entitled “The First Time” — contained not a single scene of gratuitous teen sex, nor did it linger on the undulating, half-clothed bodies of its young and attractive cast members.

What the action-packed hour did accomplish, however, was reminding the world that there are still great stories to be told about the residents of the fictitious William McKinley High School, and that it has a deep and talented cast capable of brining those scenarios to vivid life. (It also made a strong case that the show might be at its best when Mr. Schue and Sue Sylvester are relegated to benchwarmer status.)

Chris Colfer on Kurt and Blaine’s ‘First Time,’ Showing Skin and Romance With Karofsky

If you were too busy bellying up to the bar at Scandals to catch “The First Time” — which poetically juxtaposed scenes from the McKinley production of West Side Story with moments from a week in the lives of Kurt, Blaine, Rachel, Finn and their cohorts — please allow me to catch you up (in the classic “here’s what you missed on Glee” format):

During final rehearsals for West Side Story, student director Artie unearthed the fact that his leads Rachel and Blaine were still virgins, and questioned their “strange aversion to fun.” The insecure thespians naturally began to wonder if they could successfully portray Maria and Tony without experiencing their own sexual awakenings, but their initial efforts to go all the way with their respective beaus went badly awry: Rachel offended Finn when he found out her main reason for wanting to lose her virginity was to improve her acting, while Kurt got into a fight with an inebriated Blaine when the latter teen went in for a drunken grope in the parking lot of local gay bar Scandals.

Complicating the Blaine-Kurt dynamic was Blaine’s coffee-klatching with Dalton Academy acquaintance Sebastian Smythe; their cups of coffee practically boiled over with sexual tension during conversations that turned show choir into a metaphor for the big nasty, and Blaine didn’t help matters by initially playing a little coy about his relationship status. (“McKinley is where my heart is,” were his exact words, which did not include the nouns “boyfriend” or “Kurt.”) After Kurt met his new rival, he promptly agreed to a group outing to Scandals (the better not to look like a guy whose main bonding mechanism is a rigorous over-the-phone skin-sloughing regimen), and that’s where he ran into former bully Karofsky, who revealed he’d transferred to a new school to experience a “normal senior year without people hearing rumors about me.” Was that some budding chemistry between two former enemies whose names begin with ‘K’? The story is developing…

By episode’s end, both Rachel and Blaine found forgiveness — and sexual willingness — with their partners. “Sebastian doesn’t mean anything to me,” said Blaine. “I was drunk and I’m sorry.” And after Kurt’s saucy retort — “Sure beats last time you were drunk and made out with Rachel” — the boys beat a quick path to the bedroom for a subtly shot sex scene that left pretty much everything to the imagination.

Rachel, meanwhile, went to Finn’s to apologize for letting her ambitions trump her emotions, and discovered her boyfriend devastated by rejection from a college football recruiter. “Your dreams are not dead: You’ve just grown out of them,” said Rachel, before dropping this not-so-subtle bombshell: “I’m going to give you something that no one else is ever gonna get.” Oh gurrrl! With that, Rachel went all Julia Roberts in Notting Hill — “I’m just a girl here with a boy that she loves, wanting to remember this moment for the rest of her life” — and the two “touched hands by the fireside,” if I’m not being too subtle. (Bonus points to Rachel for bringing her own condoms, like every modern girl should.)

And despite all the Kurt-Blaine/Rachel-Finn action, the episode found time to advance the story arcs of other ancillary characters, too: Bieste got to go on a date with the guy she’d long considered “the bees’ knees” — aforementioned football recruiter Cooter Menkins; Mike Chang and his floppy-coiffed dad disowned each other when he refused to quit his role in the school play; and Artie discovered that being a director (and getting support from his friends) made him feel like a man, not just a boy in a wheelchair. And that’s what you missed on Glee.

Now, with that out of the way let’s run through a couple of the episode’s choicest bits of dialogue:

* “Nah, but you can have the rest of my chili. There’s nothing left but gristle and a few beans, but it eats pretty good.” –Beiste cluelessly misinterpreting Cooter’s lunch-date invitation

* “Why did you leave Dalton? Were you bored with all the preppies around here, or is it that you broke too many hearts to stay?” –Sebastian, making a serious play for Blaine

* Kurt sharing that his bucket list includes “become CEO of LOGO” and “have relations on a dewy meadow of lilac with Taylor Lautner, before he gets fat.”

* Finn questioning Rachel’s readiness for sex: “Last time we talked, you said you wanted to wait till you won a Tony.”

* Rachel revealing that a trophy is a trophy is a trophy: “People’s Choice would’ve gotten you to third base.”

* “It was like being smothered by a sweaty, out-of-breath sack of potatoes that somebody soaked in body spray.” –Santana on sex with Finn

* “We gotta work on this kid’s diction.” –Bieste in full meta jacket, discussing Rory (Damian McGinty’s) marble-mouthed Irish intonation

And finally, I know I usually assign grades for the week’s musical numbers, but this week, I just can’t separate the individual West Side Story numbers that were often inter-spliced with workaday McKinley scenes to heighten the dramatic effect of what was happening in the characters’ lives. I will say this: Santana and Rachel’s “A Boy Like That”/”I Have a Love” brought to ferocious life the dangers (Sebastian) and the tenderness (Finn) of teen love; their harmonies on “Tonight” were chill-inducing; and Santana & Co.’s “America” was joyously delicious. Only the Blaine-free Warblers’ “Uptown Girl” stood out as a weak link. Overall musical grade: A

What did you think of this week’s Glee? Which plot points made you happy, and which had you looking for a rewrite? What was your favorite musical number? Hit the comments with your thoughts, and for all my Glee recaps and commentary, follow me on Twitter @MichaelSlezakTV!

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  1. Marcus says:

    You’re insane. That was terrible.

    • Daniela says:

      I agree … “Glee” is in a terrible place and this episode was just horrible. It should maybe everything that’s with that show since being so unbelievable popular among the critics.
      The episode gave a wrong message to all teenagers out there and for me, it wasn’t handled in a good way at all.
      After tonight’s episode, I’m done with the show. “Glee” is one of these show’s that has gone from great to really bad. Reminds me of “The O.C.” a few years back.

      • Michael says:

        C-ya. You and your bad taste won’t be missed.

      • Rowan says:

        While the episode had some issues, to say that it gave the wrong message to all teenagers is ridiculous. The message was that if you are going to have sex for the first time, don’t just do it to get it over with, or because you’re drunk and lost your inhibition, do it only because you are in love with and do it only if you’re absolutely ready. How is that the wrong message?

        • lipsticksocialism says:

          completely agree. well-done, glee!!

        • Jennifer says:

          The message I got was that if you’re afraid your boyfriend is going to screw some other dude because you’re not adventurous enough, you better forgive him for trying to rape you and get it over with before he makes up his mind! And you better apologize to HIM for not wanting to have pseudo-drunken sex in a car!

          • Smokey says:

            clearly, you’re the target audience for Dora the Explorer. Immature deductions like yours don’t take away the message Ryan & Co were sending at the base of the episode. That anyone, especially teens should evaluate their reasons for having sex because the memory stays with you ie Santana’s recap of Finn’s first time. Kurt forgiving Blaine shows the point to apologies cause what’s the point to apologising if there’s no forgiveness?

        • Tess says:

          if you honestly believe that teenagers know what REAL LOVE is, then you are off your rocker.

        • Finn says:

          It appears to be the wrong message when in that episode a new potential love interest is introduced. Blaine couldn’t even say that he has a boyfriend, while Kurt’s forgiveness followed by their first time seemed to be rushing in to things. It’s like that Kurt only wanted to please Blaine, because otherwise there is that other dude that would love to screw your boyfriend. How is that a message of two people being completely in love, being ready for sex and being in a good place with their relationship???
          Something similar happened in the Rachel/Finn relationship, where it appeared that Rachel was wrong to wait and had to do it, because it’s not all about her. WTF!? The first time sleeping with someone should be about you being ready to share the most intimated moment with someone. I didn’t get the impression that Rachel was ready to do it.
          Was it an honest portrayal of what teenagers are like? Being insecure and rushing in to things? Yes, it was. But that was it. There was nothing sweet about it.
          The people of this show, especially Ryan Murphy made it seem like it such a great understatement of young love … but in the end it was just a message about immature teens making mistakes.
          And for me it’s horrible that teenagers who are watching this aren’t having this impression and think that their has something romantic happened last night.
          That’s not the story, guys. That’s not the case – that’s not the case at all. So I’m deeply disappointed and agree with the few comments that were made about the bad condition this show is in.
          It was fun watching season 1, but since then TPTB seem unable to tell good story or do a little character development. For all the writers care, Rachel/Finn and Blaine/Kurt could have some serious problems in the next episode or might as well break up again.

          • Michael says:

            Even though I disagree with almost everything you said, you are projecting your desires onto the characters. They aren’t going to do what you want them to do. More importantly, teens ARE having sex even for the(what I think are inaccurate) reasons that you cite.

            There was maturity in the handling of the sex. Finn chose not to sleep with a girl for the wrong reasons and even stopped a few times to make sure that she was ready. If anything, you should have a problem with that…I don’t know any teenage boys who would have given two craps about their girlfriend’s motivations or who would have stopped before engaging in sex to make sure that the girl was absolutely ready.

            I also think that Kurt was responsible in his handling of the drunken Blaine. He could have given into Blaine after that fiasco, after Blaine spent the night paying a little too much attention to someone else. It wasn’t until Blaine, in what hopefully was true sincerity, indicated that the scheming warbler meant nothing to him. Only then did he choose to take the relationship to another level.

            I was extremely impressed with their handling of sex in last night’s episode.

          • mina says:

            1. Blaine DID say he has a boyfriend…

            2. It’s obvious the lesson here was don’t have sex because you’re drunk, or because you feel you have to… finding passion isn’t about having sex it’s about having a soulmate, as proven when they could perform passionately at the end as virgins… and yes, they put the sex at the end because this was the specific topic of the episode and they’re not going to make it a multi episode arc, so maybe it seemed a bit rushed, but if you can’t still pull the appropriate message out of that, it’s silly.

            If Kurt REALLY wanted to have sex with Blaine only because of Sebastian he would have done it with him in the car… instead, he came to a decision on his own terms, because he realize watching Blaine on stage that he’s in love with him. I thought that was obvious.

            And Rachel didn’t go over to his house knowing that he got rejected…but I really don’t see an issue with her wanting to comfort him in that way when she had already came to the decision she wanted to have sex because she loved him, not for any other reason.

        • Lisa says:

          Those lessons should have been made and the kids should have waited another episode or so to actually do it. At the end, it seemed like Rachel was giving herself to Finn to make him feel better about not getting an opportunity at Ohio State. Blaine and Kurt was a bit better.

          • murley says:

            she didn’t know he had been rejected by the recruiter when she went over to his house with the clear intention of having sex with him because she loves him. why is it so hard to see the clear difference between cause and effect and a coincidence?

        • murley says:

          yes that is the exact message i saw being portrayed. and if it was hard to get that from the events of the show then they also had tina pretty much spelling out that EXACT message in her talk to rachel. of course that fact isn’t going to stop people who feel like being offended from getting offended by the mere mention of sex by teenagers.

      • Mikey says:

        Totally agree. The first season was so smart and had interesting plot lines and pace. Not to mention great music.

        Now it seems like it is a vehicle to sell records. And they have forgotten that they are portraying teenagers.

        It is over the tip and not interesting anymore. Glee has run its coarse in our household as well.

        • Tarc says:

          I’m not sure what show you’re watching. The first season was wildly uneven and not as good as you remember. OTOH, this season (so far) has been the best written, most consistent, character focused, teen-realistic season yet.

      • Cathie says:

        What bad message was given? Teenagers have sex and if you don’t believe that, you need to take off your blinders, people. I thought this was tastefully done and the message i heard was to wait at least for that special someone you love.

    • Snapy says:

      Horrible sex scene!! I’m still left wondering if Kurt swallowed!

    • Tarc says:

      Actually, Marcus, you’re nuts. That was a great Glee episode.

  2. amoeba says:

    one of the worst episodes and with the worst message to teenage girls EVER and that’s saying something… because this is Glee and girls are treated like either boy crazy idiots or bitches

    • Joe says:

      And what exactly was the message? Considering your username, I doubt that you have the mental capacity to comprehend it anyway. Stick with other single-celled shows like NCIS.

  3. scooterbeanbag says:

    So basically in the end, Finn got pity sex just because he whined like a baby to Rachel. I could care less about The Warblers or Karofsky, so their appearances tonight were pointless. The only semi-tolerable scene was when the WSS cast thanked Artie for putting the production together. That was the only genuinely well-written scene in all of tonight’s episode.

    • Natsky says:

      Rachel went to Finn’s house already willing to have sex with him BEFORE she found out about the recruiter. So no it wasn’t pity sex!!! Also Finn stopped and asked her YES AGAIN if this was what she wanted. Not only did he do it twice in the earlier scene, he did it this time as well.

      If he was any other normal teenage guy he wouldn’t have given a crap about “why” Rachel wanted to do it, he would have just done it anyway. Finn Hudson is a gentlemen and Rachel Berry gave her virginity to the man that she loves and for the right reasons!!!

      • TayMads says:

        ….which only took place because Artie commented on the fact that she hadn’t had sex yet because she lacked passion with Blaine for West Side Story…which is worse than pity sex. It’s getting into character sex. At least it was the first time she wanted to go for it.

      • murley says:

        thank goodness. there appears to be at least ONE other person who noticed that she found out about the recruiter AFTER she decided to have sex with him for the right reasons. do people pay attention to this show or do they just watch looking for things they are going to complain about on the internet the next day?

        • bella says:

          The point is that Rachel wouldn’t think about sex if it wasn’t for the play.And Finn knew that,so…A girl can’t change her mind in one day about that,because she know what that means for girls.I don’t think she was ready.

    • P says:

      The pity practicly kill my Klaine high, why go for such a terrible story line?

    • Steven says:

      I feel like I have watched a different show after reading the comments section sometimes….

      I don’t think Rachel did anything out of pity. She had already made up her mind what was going to happen before she went to Finn’s house. And for the person who keeps posting things like “I worry about all the teenage girls who thinks this is a healthy relationship” and “… the worst message to teenage girls EVER” — When did it become Glee’s (or any TV show for that matter) responsibility to provide a message, good or bad, for anyone? It’s a TV show. Teaching your child about healthy relationships and about sex is a parent/guardians responsibility, not a 1 hour TV show. Especially a show like Glee which has always been over the top. If you think otherwise you should probably step away from the tube for awhile.

      Anyway, I thought tonight’s episode was really good. Gotta say that I liked the conversation Kurt and Karofsky had in the bar. Shows what a good guy Kurt is. I don’t want them to have a relationship together but I do hope that they continue showing Karofsky’s journey. Also liked how they are continuing Mike’s storyline with his dad. Glad to see the writers are doing more this year than the ‘who’s dating who’ and who can Sue attack today episodes.

      • Michael says:

        Agreed. I have no idea what show these people were watching, but I’d rank this eppy as one of the show’s best. Guess it’s just a matter of taste.

      • rachelleet says:

        I loved this ep. It’s funny, because I feel that a lot of parents who watch the episode freak out and think it “celebrates sex,” but many younger peeps will feel differently? Just my perception, but overall I thought it was a great story line.

      • Donna says:

        I agree. This was a very good, well done episode. Initially, I was taken aback by where I thought the episode was going but again it was very well done. The last 10 – 15 minutes was great. I can’t remember anywhere else on television where intimacy was portrayed so sensatively. I is a welcome change to show this side of sexual relationships. Rachel did not act on pity but based on what she wanted to do. Kudos to Glee writers for including messages about safe sex. Again, well done Glee!

      • murley says:

        oh good, more people who actually watched and understood the course of events in this episode. i was very impressed with the way they handled the story and i would think it is a great episode to watch with teenagers as a way to start a dialog about sex.

      • Snsetblaze says:

        Steven – best comment I have read period. I have no problem with the main storylines last night although Arty was inappropriate with both his leads and Bieste (and he always seems to do that). I get annoyed over the smaller details – like why were Blaine and Rachel using sheet music a few days before the show began? They should be off-book at that point. And bringing the Jets into America — artistic license that should be revoked and fined.

      • Princess Adora says:

        Thank you Steven, that’s the show I saw!

        And I agree with Slezak, Sue and Will shouldn’t be on every episode – especially Sue, her plot line is getting annoying!

  4. Brittany says:

    One of the worst episodes of Glee. So apparently a girl should give her virginity to a guy who has cheated on her? I don’t understand how Rachel can be so delusional that she would do anything for Finn, when he is just a downright asshole, who never gets called out on his crap.

    Five bucks says he’s going to leave her again, because let’s face it, Finn wants what he can’t have.

    • Alex says:

      Finn never cheated on Rachel. They had broken up before he had sex with Santana. Then they got back together. Then they broke up again. Then they got back together again. HE NEVER CHEATED.

    • Jessica says:

      Rachel was the only one who ever cheated in their relationship. I think that you are the delusional one.

    • facepalming says:

      When did Finn ever cheat on Rachel??? It was the other way around actually. Watch the show before you come online to post irrational hate for a character. Finn already has Rachel and Rachel has him.

    • Michael says:

      Did you watch Glee in a parallel universe? Finn didn’t cheat on Rachel.

    • Marie says:

      You are right, he never cheated while dating Rachel. He just lied about not being with Quinn to romance her back into Glee when he clearly wasn’t planning on leaving his girlfriend. He did convince Quinn to cheat on Sam with him.

  5. Zachary says:

    I really appreciated the subtlety of the Karofsky scene. It was so good to see some progress from him, but not that he was suddenly running around his new school out and proud.

    I still think that his story needs to be continued more, maybe moving toward coming out publicly. Maybe…

    • Leo says:

      it was a very nice progression indeed :) and definitely doesn’t look like “closure” at all…

    • Daisy says:

      I agree with you about that. It would be wonderful to see the Karofsky storyline developed further. The character has terrific potential, and Max Adler is a very good actor.

    • BeachBum says:

      Karofsky telling Kurt that the guys at the bar called him a “cub” was hilarious.

    • Tash says:

      I think the Karofsky storyline is incredible. Not everyone is so accepting of themselves when they’re trying to figure out who and what they are, unfortunately. It’s something that speaks to all people, LGBTQ or not, because what teenager (and some adults, too) isn’t trying to fit in and feel accepted? Dave Karofsky has hit some bumps along the way, but it looks like he’s really beginning to accept himself for who he is. And how is that not a good message to send?

      I really hope to see more from his character!

    • Melanie says:

      Subtlety. That’s the word I’ve been looking for. Both Max and Chris are such strong actors; they can say to much in so many little ways. The scene was honest and real. Loved it. So hoping they bring Karofsky back to McKinley so we can get more such interactions. Even the romance route could be amazing with them ’cause the actors could sell it. Plus, with the characters’ long, rocky history together, there’d HAVE to be more honesty and learning about each other. Dealing with pushback from family/friends. It would be INTERESTING. And message-wise, accepting yourself, changing for the better, proving it by BEING a better person through actions and words, true forgiveness? Sounds good to me.

      • Deanna says:

        You summed up everything I love about Kurt & Karofsky. I love Karofsky’s journey from being terrified of being himself to actual acceptance. I still think the scene in “Prom Queen” when Karofsky apologized to Kurt for bullying him is one of my favorite scenes ever. Max is incredible and Karofsky is very easy to relate to. Would LOVE to see more from the two of them. I apologize to all of the Klaine fans, but Kurt & Karofsky would be so much more interesting. At least to me.

    • Anna says:

      I can’t agree more.
      I think his scene with Kurt was the most honest and heartwarming scene of the whole episode.

    • Aki says:

      Yes, I agree, we’re still left with all these questions about where he’s going. When is he actually going to come out? Is he out to his parents? Does he have friends at his new school? Is he happy? Is he lonely? It doesn’t seem like Glee has really managed to embrace this idea that “it gets better” because they keep carting their troubled gay students off to other schools by way of transfer. It seems a shame that they used the same tactic with Dave. It’s not that it doesn’t make any sense, it just really limits what they can do with him. I think that in order to continue to build his character (which they absolutely, 100% should do) he’s going to have to stop running, come back to McKinley, and face his demons the way Kurt did. In the meantime, when Glee comes back from winter hiatus, I hope the writers will have found a place for Dave again on Glee. This show should be showing us his story.

  6. Tamara says:

    I really loved the scene at the Gay Bar! Max and Chris were amazing!!

  7. Diane says:

    I thought it was great! Finn and Rachel are so in love and it’s wonderful to see how happy they make one another!

    • amoeba says:

      did we watch the same episode? he forgot she’s vegan, which is essential to Rachel, then she just wanted to have sex for the sake of HER performance and then she gave him her virginity out of pity because that’s all he’s good for… she’s a selfish idiot, he’s a selfish douche and i seriously worry about all the teenage girls who thinks this is a healthy relationship

      • Trew says:

        THIS!!! He gave a vegan MEAT but he “loves” her soooo much. Puhlease. If you love your GF and pay attention to HER needs, then you’d make sure to have a dinner for her that she could eat since she’s been a vegan for as long as you’ve known her! That was horrible. Not to mention the pound cake wasn’t vegan either. Eating meat when you’re vegan will make you violently ill. A little fact the writers overlooked.

        Plus, they are a toxic couple. She’s created this fantasy of who she thinks Finn when he is in fact a douche most of the time. Rachel is just ridiculous, and yeah for ANYONE to think that they are a healthy couple or anything to emulate is scary.

        Plus why was Rachel’s moment of losing her virginity ALL ABOUT FINN? She’s the virgin, shouldn’t it have been about her? Seriously, these writers, don’t have a freakin clue

      • Caitlin says:

        Good lord. It’s a TV show. It’s not Glee’s nor any tv show’s place to demonstrate what is or isn’t a healthy relationship or whatever. It’s the PARENT’S job. If you’re a parent and you’re letting television or the entertainment industry talk to your kids about relationships or sex then I seriously doubt and worry about your ability as a parent and whether you should have procreated in the first place.

        • Deenie says:

          I agree, the show should be used to open a pathway to talk to your kids about sex if you don’t feel comfortable just talking to them about it. Because honestly, most kids have already talked to their friends about sex before they’ve watched a tv show about it, and that is where a lot of misconceptions that kids get about sex come from, not from a tv show.

    • Lily says:

      I love Finn and Rachel, with all their problems and conflict. They’re the most realistic couple on this show.

      • lolatyourcomment says:

        LOL! Try most unrealistic couple. After everything they did to each other, I can hardly believe they are together. Like I said, they are the least believable couple on the show.

  8. Jules says:

    I was really moved by the scene between Dave and Kurt. Two great actors with lots of chemistry. To me this could be a really important and lovely storyline about forgiveness and acceptance (and possibly love). Dave’s story has really helped me to accept myself for who I am and I know it has affected many others as well. It would be great to see his development on screen and hopefully inspire even more people.

    • Leo says:

      Totally agreed!

    • BeachBum says:

      Kurt and Dave are so different in so many aspects: out/in, theatrical/athletic, flamboyant/macho, secure/insecure that it would be fun to see a genuine friendship develop between the two of them.

      • Melanie says:

        Yup — lotsa differences. But given some of Dave’s quips and observations in the past, he can be a clever, sometimes cynical guy. I think he and Kurt could admire each other’s quick wits, TBH. Would love to see their friendship (or more) grow to the point where they’re able to snicker over something no one else understands. Or avoid each others’ eyes cause they know, if their eyes connect, they will not be able to hold the giggles in. IDK. Let’s not forget singing/dancing, too. They both enjoy that. It’s just that one of them prefers the limelight and the other is happy in the back row. Could work!

    • Aki says:

      It was really great to see that the chemistry Max and Chris had last season didn’t die in the six month drought we had without Dave. There really is so much potential there for a fantastic relationship (my hopes are for romantic but a strong, loving friendship wouldn’t send me belly up). I’ve seen Dave’s story save people’s lives and it really changed the way I look at the gay community. I’ll never personally understand the struggles closeted teens go through, but watching Dave helped me to realize how difficult it is to live that way.

  9. Natsky says:

    Probably one of the best episodes Glee has done. It is about time that shows promote that you can have sex in high school as long as you are using protection and doing it for the right reasons.

    Parents and schools need to talk to their kids about these things. That is why the teenage pregnancy rate has gone up, because parents and school don’t feel the need to educate their kids or students about safe sex etc.

    Kudos to Glee for showing that sex isn’t a bad thing, that it isn’t something to be feared and when done with the right person, for the right reasons and with the right protection it can be the most amazing experience in the world.

  10. Janis says:

    Finn and Rachel are so in love! And I’m happy that they were both ready and comfortable enough to take this step. I appreciate the writers for showing the value of a relationship that is both healthy and REAL.

    • yep says:

      Hear! Hear! Janis
      Look, teenagers do have sex with little to no thought about their futures or consequences etc. Glee was so well done in tonites episode no visual but innuendo and lots of emotional attatchment and conversation and heart-felt mutual respect. Rachel asked the girls for their varied opinions ( girls who are experienced and had sex with no emotional attatchment just for fun)but it took quiet Tina to open her eyes to what was real in her heart.
      I thought it was amazing. Music of the play paralleled the story in the episode and sung beautifully.
      I feel Fox network need not worry about parental control hounds because it was filmed and edited superbly. There was no explicit anything but romance in lieu of sex, love in lieu of lust. I loved it. Both couples were amazing and supportive of each other. Why not show young teens what a real loving couple are and a decision to have sex is a mutual and empowering emancipation of romance and love- not sex actions and lust with empty heart to not be filled with a vast void. It was done with taste and empathy for the teens.
      I loved every minute of it-Well done.
      Cory’s acting was superb. I cried for him. Rachel so supportive and willing to help him seek new dreams for his future. They were wonderful together. If people feel there was no chemistry between them I guess they and I were watching a different episode.
      The Warblers were fun but not that necessary for that much screen time but it was good.
      Loved America performance. Tina was exceptional and heart felt with her advise for Rachel the best she has shined so far. So sad for Mike about his dad at least his mom supported him.
      Kurt and Blaine were wonderful. Blaine was unnerved with Sebastian’s advances and told him so.

  11. Meg says:

    What? How could you not like “Uptown Girl”–it was kitsch straight from a movie musical!

    • veronica says:

      i totally thought it was adorable. and it was nice that three boys got solo lines instead of just blaine. the warblers are branching out.

  12. Chris says:

    A great episode. What bad message? Are you living in some world where seniors in high school don’t have sex? This is called being real.

  13. Nix says:

    Loved the Finn and Rachel scenes! Did not appreciate the Kurt and Blaine scenes. I’m disappointed in Blaine. I wish Kurt had a second option.

  14. Sharona says:

    Kurt and Blaine’s story was fine. Beiste and the recruiter were sweet. Rachel’s “Oh, I wanted to wait to have sex but I’ll do it if it would make my boyfriend feel better!” was pathetic.

  15. Haendel says:

    I think it was great, the most important was the story-line… yes there was controversy in what it will present, but the important part wasn’t about doing it, it was about the reasons and I think it was well managed and amazingly performed from the cast.
    I love this kind of episodes, just like Asian-F, where the important is the characters from the show and not the buzz it makes for being a sensation, whenever there’s a true remarkable story-line and great scripts I find the Glee I loved from first season and I’m so grateful is back.
    Although I enjoy those filled up episodes of comedy and problems, it’s really important to have this balance and every time in a while introduce this kind of episodes, specially if it shows one of actual dilemmas and topic many have forgotten to talked about.

  16. Troy says:

    I am Kurt/Blaine’s relationship is being treated as an equal to Finn/Rachel’s. Yay for gay equality!. One of my favorite scenes was the bar scene between Kurt and Dave Karofsky. I hope we get to see more of Dave and his development and his relationship with Kurt (friends to dating). I was a Dave back in the day and can relate to all the fear, confusion and loneliness of the closet.. I sincerely hope that the producers of Glee continue to explore his story of acceptance and honesty as well as making amends with Kurt.

  17. Emily says:

    The best thing about this episode was the scene with Dave and Kurt. We got a glimpse of the old Kurt, the one that was fierce and didn’t take no for an answer. I like how much Karofsky and Kurt bounce off of each other and their chemistry is fantastic. The Kurt/Blaine scenes however, especially the one in the car, made me very uncomfortable and upset. I don’t like that Kurt apologized to Blaine and that everything was fine and dandy because Blaine’s performance moved Kurt. It felt forced and frankly, awkward. We definitely need to see more Karofsky in the future!

    • Heather says:

      Well-written, Emily! Four pirate hats for you!

    • Carl says:

      Actually, in each of his scenes with Dave since ANON, Kurt looks growing stronger & stronger, he doesn’t need courage from anyone :) I like how their dynamic is developing and I’m really looking forward for an epic friendship

    • red says:

      Emily, don’t you think that the Kurt/Blaine scenes were really realistic? Especially for teens that sneak into a bar for the first time? And wouldn’t be in Kurt’s character to forgive Blaine if he apologized and meant it. I agree with you that Dave/Kurt is a more interesting pairing (even if it is a bit cliched that Kurt would fall in love with his one-time tormentor). Blaine, talented as he is, has always seemed like a fantasy come true for Kurt. And now we are kind of seeing that maybe, at times, he is too good to be true.

    • Aki says:

      More Dave would drastically increase my interest in Glee again. Just before this episode aired I was at an all time low. He’s my favorite character!

      • Gord says:

        I agree. Dave is really the only character I can relate to on the show, except for Burt, who is great. That was a great scene in the bar. It was nice to see Dave seems to be finding self acceptance. Unless there is more Dave Karofsky, I am not sure I’ll want to keep up with the show. I wasn’t that keen on the music from this episode, except perhaps (surprisingly) Uptown Girl. But please do overdo it with the Warblers.

  18. Jenn says:

    Finn and Rachel are in love, happy and trust one another. I wish they’d had a separate episode for their first time, but it was still a great episode!

  19. Victoria says:

    I was disgusted by the fact that Kurt gave it up to Blaine after Blaine danced with another guy in front of him and then sexually assaulted him in a car. What kind of message is that?

    • factionb says:

      He didn’t assault him. They’re boyfriends and Blaine was kind of drunk, but I agree with you in something: it was kind of weird that after that sad scene, Kurt decided to have sex with him. Let’s hope there’s something in the future that explains this decision.

      • Victoria says:

        I’m sorry but the ‘they’re boyfriends’ excuse does not fly. With this same logic a husband could rape his wife and it’d be ok because they were together. Alcohol explains why Blaine acted the way that he did but it didn’t justify it. The fact that Kurt had sex with him right after this exchange makes me think that Kurt just did to make Blaine happy, keep him from leaving him for Sebastian etc.

        • Heather says:

          It depends on whether either couple actually had sex. For all we know, Kurt and Blaine (as well as Finn and Rachel) could have simply snuggled close and not gone through with it. I would have preferred more developmental scenes from BOTH relationships before a sex scene was implied. Maybe next episode will clarify what went down in bed besides the “closeness.” Cheers to baby steps!

        • Tarc says:

          To suggest Kurt got ‘assaulted’ is absurd… to the point where I’m looking at the commenter for their extreme oversensitivity. Are you immature or a victim?

    • P says:

      You are BOTH WRONG. it was NOT assault (but no ones boyfriend, drunk or not should force anyone).

      You most be very young, OMG how could any one dance with anybody else other than their BF or GF?!?!?! Please. And wanting to make out or have sex with your partner is not assault, he STOP when Kurt said no.

      • Melissa says:

        No one said the dancing was assault, it just wasn’t very nice of Blaine. The car scene though, it was. Blaine he didn’t stop. Kurt said no a bunch of times. Blaine didn’t listen so Kurt had to physically push himself away from Blaine. It was really a horrible scene…

        • P says:

          When did I said that dancing is assault? The OP point it out as one of the reasons not to have sex, is meant to be another paragraph but you can do that here. It wasn´t nice? the only people I know that dance exclusively with their partners are those that have a very jealous one, where am from dancing and partying is the norm and 99% of the people love to dance so I might be bias.
          i´m´´not saying I like the seen, I did not, but to call it assault is a big strech of the imagination, Blaine was handy and horny.

    • Mina says:

      Ok… he DIDNT have sex with him right after that exchange, what show were you watching? He was upset… he stopped him. Regardless, Blaine was drunk, and he wanted his boyfriend, yes… but crying “sexual assault” is completely absurd. Also, Kurt said yes to the gay bar because he wanted Blaine to have a good time… and the whole time he was dancing, he was looking at Kurt. It also seemed obvious to me that Blaine thought that’s what Kurt wanted since Kurt brought up sex first/said yes to the gay bar after Blaine said no…hence his confusion and his “why are you yelling at me?” Blaine’s not perfect, but it’s ridiculous to make him out to be this bad guy for one drunken mistake.

  20. Lynne says:

    Thanks for your advice, Michael – you were dead on. An exceptional, amazingly beautiful episode that my entire family enjoyed. Loved every single shot. Coach Beiste was incredible (more of HER!), the scene with Kurt and Karofsky was so touching, I was so proud of Kurt at the car scene, the scene on the stage with Kurt/Blaine was insanely sweet and romantic, and the end…well, perfect. Gorgeous. Songs (except Uptown Girl) were UNBELIEVABLE! BRAVO!

    • Rachel says:

      Love this! That’s how I took it all, too – I was so proud of Kurt during this episode! Beiste was just so funny, and although sometimes I find her a little cheesy, she’s easily my favorite adult on the show. I wish more subjects were handled so delicately on this show.

  21. Stephie says:

    So glad to finally see Dave Karofsky back! Without question the highlight of the episode. Hopefully we’ll see more of him soon, this has a lot of potential if handled right…

    • Aki says:

      I have been floating on cloud nine since and cannot stop rewatching Dave and Kurt’s scene together. It’s all we have to tide ourselves over the next two months, but hopefully all the positive feedback will convince TPTB to bring Dave back in the second half of the season. Someone’s gotta step up and come out at some point. He can’t hide forever!

  22. factionb says:

    The gay bar scene with Dave was all kinds of amazing. THE CHEMISTRY WAS IN THE AIR. It was… incredible. We just need more Dave now, and everything will be perfect. Max and Chris are both such good actors; we need to have Max more regularly, seriously, Glee shouldn’t obviate a talent as big as his. I loved how Kurt felt so freaking encouraged after talking to him, he was back to his usual fierce self.

    • Carl says:

      THIS. Tonight Dave was the catalyst for Kurt to realize his own inner strength :)

    • Aki says:

      I really appreciated the way Kurt sort of pulled himself together after having a conversation with Dave. It was like seeing the old Kurt again. I think he really needs to be in a relationship with someone who challenges him without making him compromise himself all the time, someone that keeps him on his toes without knocking him off balance at every turn and someone who will encourage him to be himself. I don’t feel that Blaine does that particularly well, but Kurt has never just bent over and taken whatever Dave handed him. He and Dave seem like they could actually be equals. Dave displayed the ability to keep up with him in last night’s episode. The two of them together, they could rule the school. Now if only they’d transfer Dave back to McKinley.

  23. Chantal says:

    I have died! DIED! Tonight’s episode was like a fanfiction come to life! Finn and Rachel really make my night! How I wish we’d have more of them…

  24. Josh says:

    10 years from now all the middle and high school kids who watched Glee will look back at this episode and think to themselves-Wow, they got absolutely nothing right about sex, relationships and high school.

  25. Bridgette says:

    I think the scene between Dave and Kurt was AMAZING. I would love to see more of Dave in upcoming episodes. I want to see more of his story and all the things he is going through. I think a relationship between Dave and Kurt, be it romantic or just friendship, would send a great message across to viewers. It would help people see that you can change and you can accept someone, or forgive them, for things they have done.

  26. Lorette says:

    I thought it was an amazing episode. Realistic, funny and heartwarming. It was like old school Glee. I think that’s due to the fact the focus was on Finn/Rachel. I hope the writers continue focusing on these two. I miss Finchel!

  27. Liz says:

    I loved the episode. The best part was the scene in the bar. Fantastic.

  28. Stephanie says:

    Loved the Dave Karofsky scene. I wish there was more. Hopefully he’ll be back in the second half of the season!

  29. Leo says:

    I’ve got to say, I think my favorite parts of this episode were “America” and the scene with Kurt and Karofsky. Such good chemistry there, surprised but pleased to see Karofsky back and hoping he’ll be getting a good plot this season.

  30. Samuel says:

    amazing… but I was waiting more

  31. Lucia says:

    The only good scene was the Kurtofsky scene. The rest was terrible and inapropriate, I need some brain bleach.

  32. Nancy says:

    I thought they handled Finn and Rachel’s and Kurt and Blaine’s first times wonderfully. I’m glad they showed all of the issues that a couple has to consider before taking that step. I’ve loved Finchel since the pilot, and thought Lea and Cory were so great in their scenes. Finn and Rachel have been through a lot, but they are going to be there for each other. Rachel is going to help Finn as he figures out what he’s going to do after graduation. Kudos to Cory for that scene where Finn tells Rachel about not being recruited. I think his acting often gets overlooked, but I felt Finn’s disappointment and feeling like he wasn’t good enough at anything.

    • Kacey says:

      Pity sex is still pity sex and that’s what Rachel gave Finn for HER first time.

    • nina says:

      Cory’s acting was really good this episode.

      • Dee says:

        Cory’s acting is always overlooked. He’s by far the most believable and real character on the show–the only one who never devolves into some caricature from time to time. Sometimes the overacting and mugging for the camera on this show is so extreme I think I’m watching a Saturday Night Live skit. But never from Finn.

  33. Firith says:

    Episode was great. My favorite part was Dave Karofsky. I just want to see his story. I would love to see a relationship between Kurt/Dave to develop. Friendship/romance, anything. The chemistry between Chris and Max is amazing and I would love to see more of it.

    I liked the entire episode. Best so far this season.

  34. Veronica says:

    It was so good to see Karofksy had come to terms with himself but I really would love to see his story continued so that he could eventually come back to McKinley and become strong enough (with Kurt’s help) to be out publicly.

    • Aki says:

      Oh yeah. (spoiler alert) Based on the way they’re handling Santana’s coming out story line it would be nice to see them give someone other than Kurt an empowering coming out experience. I can’t think of a better candidate than Dave.

    • Melanie says:

      My dream arc for him would include coming out and “really mak[ing] a difference” at McKinley. On his terms. Wouldn’t be easy. He’d lose friends. And probably gain others. That “baby steps” line really said it. Sometimes coming out can be just like that. Baby steps. It’d be nice to see.

  35. Heather says:

    I really enjoyed the Kurtofsky scene – I honestly didn’t mind Blaine at first, but it seems his character is really falling flat, especially after the transfer. I’m a lot more interested in the other storylines, especially Dave’s! Maybe next gay bar scene it can be karaoke night and we’ll finally get to hear Max’s wonderful voice – suggestion: “New York, New York”? Or maybe a Kurtofsky duet if The Powers That Be are feeling generous – then Blaine can know how it feels to be a third wheel – we really need more character development from him.

    Also, I think it would be pertinent to mention somewhere down the line that sex actually occurred between both or one of the couples, because for all we got (no dialogue in the affirmative or negative), they just “slept together,” literally.

  36. Annie says:

    The scene between Kurt and Dave was simply amazing! I hope they’ll get much more screentime together in the future.

  37. Tori Estupinan says:

    The scene with Kurt and Dave was so great!! Max Adler is such a talented actor. Dave looked so happy and he even said that he felt accepted there, and Kurt was so nice to him and they exchanged such a nice little conversation! I’m glad to see Dave back, and I hope for more Karofsky in the future!! and also, Sebastian is great!!

  38. Shay says:

    The Dave Karofsky and Kurt scene was too short! I want to see them become friends/boyfriends! They have so much chemistry!

  39. K says:

    In all honesty, I’m surprised by how little I liked the Kurtofsky scene. I was really excited for it, but it fell flat for me. I mean, I am very glad that Karofsky is accepting himself and that Kurt got closure, but it just–I just wasn’t feeling it. I’m kind of disappointed that there was a lot of hype for it, that a lot of people were declaring it awesome, and then it didn’t work for me.

    This was a pretty good episode though and I’m glad that Glee was able to give both couples the same amount of screentime instead of giving Finchel more. :)

  40. Talia says:

    For a season that started out so well, I’m incredibly disappointed.

    This episode was offensive and frankly, horrible. Pretty much everything Artie did was inappropriate- especially his talk with Bieste and his speech to the cast. And the whole Finn giving Rachel meat thing? Horribly offensive. Seriously, tricking vegans into eating meat is not funny.

    The direction was ridiculous- I think I get what they were going for with all the cutting between scenes, but it was sloppy, unfocused, and looked really bad. It feels like the Mike storyline belongs in another episode.

    And I’m sorry, but West Side Story is not about sexual awakening or “stepping outside of your safe little world.” It’s about gang fights and prejudice. Also, did they really add the Jets to “America” just so Mike could look at his mom? Maybe they could have done another number instead- just a thought.

    I think the only inoffensive part of this episode was the (very much off-screen) sex. Although it was another classic case of a terrible excuse for a premise: Why do Rachel and Blaine want to have sex all of a sudden? Oh it’s to improve their acting! Because, you know, as actors, they can’t just *act* or anything. I guess this means Blaine and Puck should go stab some people too? You know, for the sake of the show.

    • Ralph says:

      I think you should watch cartoons if Glee causes this much disappointment for you. Some folks forget this is a comedy.

    • Trew says:

      Intelligent posts are rare amongst the blind faith, ignorance about West Side Story and veganism. Too much fangirling going on and not enough real analysis, so thanks for this one.

    • Volcfom says:

      Finn forget that Rachel was vegan. He wasn’t purposefully tricking her or being offensive. It was meant as a joke and people who are less up-tight do the right thing and laugh.

      • Rachel says:

        I agree – I thought it just highlighted how wrong that whole night was, how NOT meant to be it was that night. While it is certainly not funny to trick a vegetarian or vegan into eating meat (and don’t get me wrong, it’s downright awful), that was not what happened.

  41. Nycitynygirl says:

    This was one of the BEST episodes ever!!! I know some people are upset that it showed teens having sex but I thought they handled it perfectly. Its a given that so many teens are doing it so why try to hide it. Glee wasn’t saying you should just go around sleeping with everyone, you should be in love and both the couples are. The actual “love” scene was the most tame scene in the whole episode!! I lvoed all the amazing klaine moments and I cant wait for more to come!!!

  42. n says:

    I thought it was an amazingly done episode. it was beautiful, my favorite this season so far. the cast once again was great acting wise, especially Cory Monteith. my favorite scenes were the ones with Finn and Rachel, their relationship has grown so much and it was just like watching a natural thing to happen. props to both actors for giving such a heartwarming performance. Also, it was awesome to see Karofsky back!

  43. Stephie says:

    I think Kurt and Dave together would be really great! They have baggage, but they have a connection, and so much always goes unsaid between them, and all that’s left is LOOKS. So. Veeeery interesting, and a lot of potential. I hope the writers handle it well! :)

  44. Frances says:

    Although I was unsure on ALOT of that episode…the Karofsky and Kurt scene was like watching poetry. The two of them have such fantastic chemisty it seems a massive shame to just ignore it. I really hope the writers don’t throw that chance of something golden away.

  45. Carolina says:

    The Dave/Kurt scene is my favorite. It was short, but it was so beautiful. I cried while watching it. Dave’s storyline is important to a lot of people around the world, including me. Watching him, there, in a gay bar, smiling and accepting himself makes my heart sing. It sends a good message, everyone deserves a second chance, to be happy. That’s why they need to show more Dave. Please, Ryan and company, show Dave more, we need him.

  46. Rissa says:

    Loved this episode. Happy that the gay love story was treated the same as the straight couple. Max Adler is amazing. That was my favorite Kurt scene. I don’t want a Kurt/Dave romance but I wouldn’t mind them being friends. I didn’t see any chemistry between Blaine & Sebastian. I was turned off by Sebastian’s over the top agressive behavoir. The ending was just beautiful. My favorite Klaine part was the scene on the stage. Darren Criss blew me away in that scene. Klaine have amazing chemistry. The songs from West Side Story were wonderful as well.

  47. Xechada says:

    I’m so glad that Dave was there and that he was happy. I have been waiting 6 months to see him again and that was worth it.

  48. errinneh says:

    I was very impressed with tonight’s episode. For once the spotlight was taken off of Mr. Schue and Coach Sue, and placed where it should be: on an issue that every teenager has to deal with; Will i have sex? When? With whom? Why? And i think it was done very tastefully.
    I was thrilled to see Dave Karofsky at the gay bar, showing that he’s at least coming to terms with himself. I am hopeful that there will be more to his story arc, as his character is one with whom so many people can relate. I noticed the same chemistry between DK and KH at the bar, and would love to see that furthered, after all, who gave Kurt the confidence to hit the dance floor? Dave Karofsky.
    I think that the sex scenes were also very cleanly and tastefully done. Nuance at it’s best. If i hadn’t known beforehand what was going down, i wouldn’t have been sure that’s what those scenes entailed, even, it was so cleanly done.
    I hope that what people take away from this is that sharing yourself with someone, having sex for the first time, doesn’t have to be dirty or shameful. It can be beautiful, and you should always be prepared and protect yourself.
    I also can’t wait to see if and when Dave’s character returns to Glee. I find his story of redemption inspiring and I hope he’s truly able to be redeemed and understood, and come to love himself.

  49. Kate says:

    Max was amazing as ever. I need Dave back in my life, can we please get him back?

  50. Gabe says:

    I honestly went in not caring about Finn and Rachel having sex, but then I got pulled in because of Finn. Seeing him struggling to have a dream and succeed is wonderful instead of his previous plotlines that surrounded Rachel and Quinn. I think that the Finchel scene was sweet. While I thought the Kurt and Blaine scenes were sweet, except when Blaine was being a drunken jerk (these things happen), but I was really glad to see Dave back. I loved that he wasn’t out and proud but had found acceptance. I really would love to watch him progress more, maybe with Kurt by his side.